Red meat can kill!!!!
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Here's the questionnaire the study participants filled out
http://www.channing.harvard.edu/nhs/questionnaires/pdfs/NHSI/2002.PDF
Notice that one of the foods listed under “unprocessed red meat”—and likely a major contributor to that category—is hamburger, the stuff fast-food dreams are made of. Although this study tracked whole grain intake, it didn’t track refined grain intake, so we know right away we can’t totally account for the white-flour buns wrapped around those burgers (or many of the other barely-qualifying-as-food components of a McDonald’s meal). And unless these cohorts were chock full of folks who deliberately sought out decent organic meat, it’s also worth noting that the unprocessed ground beef they were eating probably contained that delightful ammonia-treated pink slime that’s had conventional meat consumers in an uproar lately.
Read more:
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hehe....i know right!Love stuff like this - I honestly believe that if you were to collect all the food scare stories together and follow them, you would actually not be able to eat anything at all.0 -
What we’ve got here is a garden-variety observational study, not an actual experiment where people change something specific they’re doing and thus make it possible to determine cause and effect. Trying to find “proof” in an observational study is like trying to make a penguin lactate. It just ain’t happening… ever.0
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In case you’re skeptical that observational studies can run disturbingly contrary to reality, look no further than the hormone replacement therapy craze that peaked a few decades ago.
By 1991, 30 observational studies - including this one based on none other than the Nurses’ Health data (the same that did this beef scare study) - collectively showed that women taking estrogen seemed to have a 44% reduction in heart disease risk compared to their non-hormone-replacing counterparts.
This led literally millions of women to jump on the estrogen bandwagon in pursuit of better health and longer lives. A very unfortunate oopsie-daisy sprouted up later when some randomized, controlled trials finally emerged and revealed that rather than being protective, hormone replacement therapy actually increased heart disease risk by 29%!0 -
So maybe this is the problem, not the beef itself?
Levels of dioxin in different foods, originally courtesy of the EPA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dioxin_chart.gif
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Apparently it's bad for the endocrine system... Just read a really interesting article written by a heart surgeon who said that the anti-cholesterol/anti-fat focus of the 80s and 90s was a)wrong - inflammation causes heart disease, not fats or cholesterol, and b) has created the obesity and diabetes surges we are now seeing. Science is based on theory, and often gets it wrong.
That wouldn't be the article by the same heart surgeon who was stripped of his license to practice in 2008 would it?
Science is based on observations that either support or disprove a hypothesis, observations that can be replicated and yes, science changes over time as we learn new things. Pseudoscience is based on unproven hypothesis and even in the light of overwhelming evidence "true believers" rarely will change their acceptance of the myth as fact.
Not sure about the Doc's licensing status - didn't check, as it came from a fairly reputable source, but as inflammation is now widely held to be the cause of heart disease among the senior medical fraternity (even if that message hasn't filtered through to the Health boards, GPs etc) licensed or not, he was on the right track. You put my point about science rather better than I did - the folly of being succinct on these boards is that one doesn't always say exactly what one means in great detail :blushing:
How is this inflammation caused in the first place? Just interesting
The inflammation is caused from eating refined and processed carbs. Not fat and not cholesterol. It has been proven time and time again by many doctors and other researchers.0 -
So maybe this is the problem, not the beef itself?
Levels of dioxin in different foods, originally courtesy of the EPA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dioxin_chart.gif
This chart provided by the EPA is most likely based on people that buy CAFO (factory farmed meats). And I beleive the study listed by the OP is also based on people that are eating CAFO meat.0 -
Love stuff like this - I honestly believe that if you were to collect all the food scare stories together and follow them, you would actually not be able to eat anything at all.
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This!
I remember somewhere about seven years ago hearing a study about french fries being good for you. That's when I decided to just ignore it all and use common sense.0 -
So maybe this is the problem, not the beef itself?
Levels of dioxin in different foods, originally courtesy of the EPA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dioxin_chart.gif
This chart provided by the EPA is most likely based on people that buy CAFO (factory farmed meats). And I beleive the study listed by the OP is also based on people that are eating CAFO meat.
Pretty sure at this point people have to go out of their way to get any other kind, but I was wondering if a study out there showed different levels of dioxins and other contaminants in organic meat. I very much doubt one does exist, though, and our meat-industry loving government in the US would certainly never sponsor one.0 -
I've been reading about the bad effects of overeating, drinking, dieting, smoking and sex. I decided to give up reading.
Kristine
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Red meat doesn't kill people. People kill people.0
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I'll need to show you on the doll where red meat touched me. *sob*0
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So maybe this is the problem, not the beef itself?
Levels of dioxin in different foods, originally courtesy of the EPA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dioxin_chart.gif
This chart provided by the EPA is most likely based on people that buy CAFO (factory farmed meats). And I beleive the study listed by the OP is also based on people that are eating CAFO meat.
Pretty sure at this point people have to go out of their way to get any other kind, but I was wondering if a study out there showed different levels of dioxins and other contaminants in organic meat. I very much doubt one does exist, though, and our meat-industry loving government in the US would certainly never sponsor one.
Sadly, I don't believe most people will go out of their way to source better meats. Most people (especially in the US) don't want to spend more on food. Americans spend less on food than in most other countries.
I have the pleasure of being able to source meats grown and slaughtered the old fashioned way. The farmers also own the meat market, so you can follow your meat from farm to table which I like. This is also the case when I shop with local Amish farmers.
I am a firm believer that when it comes to food, the more old fashioned it is done, the better.0 -
I would have to agree with the topic statement, Humans are made up of red meat and I kill every year I go deer hunting :laugh:0
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Ink pens can kill too.....
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Y'all have heard of the group PETA right? I'm all for it. You know, people eating tasty animals. :happy:0
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Red meat will kill you if it's in the form of a cow that decides to sit on you.0
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Y'all have heard of the group PETA right? I'm all for it. You know, people eating tasty animals. :happy:
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So maybe this is the problem, not the beef itself?
Levels of dioxin in different foods, originally courtesy of the EPA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dioxin_chart.gif
This chart provided by the EPA is most likely based on people that buy CAFO (factory farmed meats). And I beleive the study listed by the OP is also based on people that are eating CAFO meat.
Pretty sure at this point people have to go out of their way to get any other kind, but I was wondering if a study out there showed different levels of dioxins and other contaminants in organic meat. I very much doubt one does exist, though, and our meat-industry loving government in the US would certainly never sponsor one.
Sadly, I don't believe most people will go out of their way to source better meats. Most people (especially in the US) don't want to spend more on food. Americans spend less on food than in most other countries.
I have the pleasure of being able to source meats grown and slaughtered the old fashioned way. The farmers also own the meat market, so you can follow your meat from farm to table which I like. This is also the case when I shop with local Amish farmers.
I am a firm believer that when it comes to food, the more old fashioned it is done, the better.
Well, we spend more on things that cost less in other countries. Ironically, medical care is one of them. Frankly, a minimum wage worker simply can't afford to go organic. I know, I've tried at various times in my life to eat better (including vegetarian for many years and a very short lived, expensive attempt at being a vegan), and there were times when my budget was the deciding factor in whether or not I could succeed.0 -
In the late 70's, early 80's there was one scare after another
RED cherries cause cancer!!!!!
I quit eating cherries
HAMBURGERS cause cancer!!!!!
I quit eating hamburgers
SEX causes cancer!!
Eff it, I went back to the damn cherries and burgers
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Red meat can definitely kill ..... especially if it's still got hooves and horns attached and is chasing you through a field!
Think I'll file this latest revelation along with the rest of them in the bin.
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Ink pens can kill too.....
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******Breaking News******
Scientists have discovered that the leading cause of death is being born. Based on the observation that 100% of persons born in the 19th century have since died it has been determined that there is a direct correlation between being born and dying.
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The earth is flat..science knows nothing and can prove very little in this world..the ultimate audacity of man is that they "think" they know what is going on.0
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I love it when a news anchor is reading a story that's so ridiculous, even they start to giggle.0
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LolI love it when a news anchor is reading a story that's so ridiculous, even they start to giggle.0 -
This is nothing new.0
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Red meat is fine in moderation (it's been in our diet since the beginning of man). What's bad for you is the steroids and chemicals it is pumped with. I try and buy local to help cut down on that.0
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Red meat is fine in moderation (it's been in our diet since the beginning of man). What's bad for you is the steroids and chemicals it is pumped with. I try and buy local to help cut down on that.
Not only local, but source out grass fed also and this includes pork products. Pigs can be free pastured to root too.0
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