Being Shallow...

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  • MissTattoo
    MissTattoo Posts: 1,203 Member
    Why do people have to change everything about themselves..I can understand getting confidence and accomplishment...but you to go from being kind and considerate to God's gift to whatever....

    I know several people like this. One that comes to mind is someone who had weight loss surgery. She looks great now but her attitude is terrible. She thinks she's God's gift to man (which is funny because I should have that attitude since my real name translates into "Gift from God" lol) and she's constantly posting photos of her new body with captions "You know you want this" or "I bet you jealous for passing this up." or "I know I'm fine. You don't have to tell me."

    I've since deleted her because I don't get it. I could see if you always had that attitude and I know some bigger girls who rock that attitude so I wouldn't be surprised if they lost weight and continued with that attitude.
  • AnninStPaul
    AnninStPaul Posts: 1,372 Member
    Over compensating for the continuation of a low self esteem, maybe?

    ^^THIS
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member
    I'm the same as I was before. :) I don't think it happens to everyone.

    Maybe you did not love yourself before.
  • AnninStPaul
    AnninStPaul Posts: 1,372 Member
    For me it's the silly changes that make me happy. At 230 lbs, there is no way I would walk down the street eating something. Ever. EVER. An apple, an ice cream, a fricking carrot. I felt like people were looking at me thinking, "ohhh, look at that girl eating. she's so gross, no wonder she's fat". No one ever did, but I suddenly thought myself a mind reader because I figure they were thinking it.

    75 lbs lighter, I somehow don't worry about it. It just happened. I'm not projecting my self-loathing onto people. And it's pretty damned good feeling. When you're heavy, sometimes it's the burden of unhappiness that's weiging you down too. It's not being shallow, it's feeling worthy enough to not wallow in shame. *shrug* I'll take it.

    Congratulations!! My brain isn't there yet....
  • bigdawg025
    bigdawg025 Posts: 774 Member
    Why do people have to change everything about themselves..I can understand getting confidence and accomplishment...but you to go from being kind and considerate to God's gift to whatever....

    I see that a lot here... I wouldn't necessarily call it shallow, though. I think a lot of people (women especially) realize that they are worth so much more than what they believed before, and perhaps they were in less than desirable relationships and want to move in a different direction now that they've "seen the light" so to speak. It's a fine line I must agree... but when you make such a drastic change like this you begin getting a LOT of attention that you weren't used to getting before. For a lot of PEOPLE (men and women alike) that can go to their head very easily.
  • Bikini27
    Bikini27 Posts: 1,290 Member
    Why do people have to change everything about themselves..I can understand getting confidence and accomplishment...but you to go from being kind and considerate to God's gift to whatever....

    As a woman that has always been overweight, I have settled for less than I wanted my entire life because I never felt as though I deserved better. I am not being shallow, I am not acting like I am God's gift, but I'm holding my head up high and I'm kicking *kitten*. This is why I am "changing" because like SugarLand says:"I ain't settlin' for anything less than everything!"
  • kabloozi
    kabloozi Posts: 119 Member
    I hope to be a bit more confident but I know I won't change. I love me and people love me. I understand what you mean and some people are no longer friends due to that "change" in personality. Good topic!
  • I am a sarcastic caustic dismissive moo-cow now and when I lose *mumble mumble* lbs, I shall just be a leaner meaner more sarcastic version of myself....... with a great bottom.

    I shall never be shallow though. That is just a vice too far :)

    I like you :)
  • Elzecat
    Elzecat Posts: 2,916 Member
    I spent more of my life being 125/130 than I did at 230 being very overweight was just a bump in the road for me. Now I am getting back to what I consider normal I dont see why my personality should change. I will always be the little ray of sunshine I have always been

    very similar for me--I was fit and thin for most of my life, being overweight and unhealthy was a small amount of time in comparison. Now I just feel like I'm physically back to my old self, nothing else has changed. I do think I have more confidence now, but I don't consider myself shallow and I've always been kind to others...
  • La_Amazona
    La_Amazona Posts: 4,855 Member
    I'm the same person but I do look better. I don't act stuck up, but I am definately confident. I'm attracted to the same type of guys I used to be... but now a lot more of them seem to be attracted to me back.

    When I see an overweight person, I know how it feels. I remember how unhappy I was and imagine how unhappy they are. I would never feel superior to someone else.

    Another change is that I actually believe people when they compliment my physical appearance because I like me too!
  • delilah47
    delilah47 Posts: 1,658
    Yes, OP, I've seen it too. Only the person losing the weight called it a new found confidence. Confidence doesn't mean you are better than everyone else. It means you carry on your daily life satisfied with your demeanor and performance. It doesn't mean you lord over people who are now heavier than you and that being confident raises your status on the pecking order. It doesn't mean YEAH IN YOUR FACE, SO THERE! Just remember where you came from if you realize your goals and you will appreciate them all the more. And... you never know.. you may be back.
  • ampa916
    ampa916 Posts: 189 Member
    I don't know that it was ever "who they were" being big kind of makes you be that kind loving person or you'd be alone, so losing weight I guess lets people feel like they can be who they "really" are. I just see that behavior as something I am not interested in. Losing weight does make a person gain confidence but I agree that some people take it too far.

    I had a friend who was married, she had gastric bypass and started losing weight. Once she really started seeing a difference she was all about how she could do better than her husband etc etc.It was like she was only with him because he would marry her. IDK but that kind of person is not the kind of person I want to be around.
  • adamb83
    adamb83 Posts: 719 Member
    I'm definitely more confident, but I don't think I'm shallow.

    In fact, I think I have a much more empathetic side, knowing where I was and where I cam from - and how unhappy/unable I was.
  • They didn't "become shallow". They were always shallow. It's just that they were fat and shallow, which meant they probably hated themselves because they were that which they sneered at.

    Now that they are not fat, they are just shallow again.

    We reward people on their physical appearance. We punish those that don't fit into what our society says is beautiful. The power to be shallow is given by us.

    There tend to be three stages a person can exist in:

    The stage where one is sneered at and japed at.

    The stage where one is invisible to the world.

    The stage where people are nice to you.

    Have you noticed if you were fat moving towards not fat that the stages are changing for you?

    ^Awesome!^
  • MJ7910
    MJ7910 Posts: 1,280 Member
    I need some help understanding why when people begin to lose weight and begin a new life. They become shallow..your the same person you were when you had a couple of pounds, however now when you lose some weight and get back into shape you brain changes..you realize....WOW I look good and can be the stuck up person that everyone hated in High School. The one that walked around knowing they could have anyone in school, if they flexed their muscles or batted their eye lashes just right in your direction..

    Why cant people just be who they were before losing weight..Why do they have to change what is on the inside too? I dont get it.


    So I ask if anyone else has had a experience like this recently...


    i have experienced moments like this but then i realize i too came from somewhere i didn't like and i might feel and look good now but a lot of people don't and they struggle. i think people that do become shallow maybe do out of a feeling of power, that now they can be more choosy about what they do, what they eat, who they associate with. it's a psychological thing where someone feels bad about themselves and then suddenly they feel good and know they are fit. i can't say i blame anyone for doing it, it is quite a powerful feeling to look good and finally feel like you ahve the body you deserve. however, being rude to others isn't something i support and i could see how that would be a really bad thing if that happens as a result of weight loss.
  • thetrishwarp
    thetrishwarp Posts: 838 Member
    I'm not the same person on the inside anymore. I've been at this for almost two years, and in that two years I graduated high school, moved out, started university, got out of an abusive relationship, and went through therapy.

    In terms of being shallow - I look hotter. Hotter guys hit on me. I don't mean to sound snooty or anything, it's just a fact. That doesn't mean I won't talk to people who are less than gorgeous. It also doesn't change that the guy I'm after is getting on the chubby side, and that doesn't phase me in the slightest.

    That said, I do get some sort of sick satisfaction when I realize I've succeeded over someone who was horribly mean to me in high school. Not because I think I'm hot *kitten* because I've lost weight, necessarily, but because it feels like they're getting their just desserts.
  • Cindy311
    Cindy311 Posts: 780 Member
    Sometimes it's the person, and sometimes it's others people's perception of the person. I fit into clothes that I've always wanted, I like to do my hair and my make up more now than I ever did. I'm not shallow, I just realized that I'm worthy of taking care of me and making myself happy :)
  • SinIsIn
    SinIsIn Posts: 1,865 Member
    It's called making up for LOST TIME!!! LOL
  • I hope to heck nobody thinks I'm shallow since I've lost weight. I try to be friendly to everyone, and am probably more social now than I was 102 pounds ago.

    I have found, however, that certain people at work will actually speak to me now, when they completely ignored me in the past. I find THEM to be shallow as they appear to treat me different now that I've lose weight.

    Amen to this.
  • Well I don't think i was shallow but when i went from 180 to 130 i was way more confidant. I was louder, happier and more out going. I don't think I was ever full of myself. Maybe some people just OD on this new confidence and don't know how to handle it. The world treats you different when your skinnier and to those who have never been there it's a lot. I know for me everyone seemed nicer and more people talked to me. I had people wanting to hang out and do stuff with me. The more attractive you are the more power you have.
  • NoAdditives
    NoAdditives Posts: 4,251 Member
    the only people i play the shallow *kitten* card with are the skinny people from my high school days. since high school, most of them have porked out and i got thin. they deserve every horrible thing that comes with being overweight. towards everyone else, i'm still pretty nice. my boyfriend says i'm actually nicer to people now because i'm more outgoing and confident.

    Wow. That's not very nice. Just because they were mean when they were young and stupid doesn't mean they deserve bad treatment now.
  • Cameron_1969
    Cameron_1969 Posts: 2,855 Member
    Now that I'm totally hot. .I don't have to be nice to people. I never liked being nice to people anyway.
    Once I start really working-out. . I'm gonna get downright mean. . Can't WAIT!
  • bigdawg025
    bigdawg025 Posts: 774 Member

    Although I have no doubt that people can be discriminated against due to their appearance, I think that our own biggest challenge sometimes is ourselves. We create the stage. It's more a matter of perspective. Generally speaking, I think that if you are kind to people, people are kind to you.






    ... which is why I have no friends. BUWHAHAHAHAHAHA!! ;P

    We used to be friends here... :sad:
  • Daydreams406
    Daydreams406 Posts: 249 Member
    I dunno, I think that any major change that a person gos through has the potential to alter who they are fundamentally.

    Smokers who quit often become the harshest ctitics of those who continmue to smoke.

    Alcoholics can turn into the shrillest critics of drinking.

    People who switch churches often become the arch-enemies of their former religion and the greatest evangelists of theit new one.

    The way I see it is that in many cases - not ALL, mind you - that someone who goes through a change like that subconsciously fears that which they have left behind. Obviously they changed for a reason and if it was a najor change and took a while to accomplish, then it was something that had quite a hold on them. I believe that deep down there is a part of them that fears giving any power back to whatever it was they left.

    Alos, people often need see their own struggles as universal, so they attribute their own fight to others. I know plenty of alcoholics who see anyone who ever drinks as an alcoholic and views the whole world as in denial and subject to the whims of the conspiracy of alcohol. I'm not even kidding. It's easier to see something as a universal scourge affecting everyon than it is to admit, "Hey, maybe this is just about me."

    I see how people are talking about having new confidence and not letting others walk all over them, but in my mind that wasn't really what the OP was talking about. I see people who have lost a lot of weight sometimes become the very people they used to hate. Not our of mean-spritedness always, but worse: out of a twisted form of kindness - "I'm not being mean, I'm justb telling you like it is. You NEED to hear this!"

    I wish sometimes those people could go back to who they were and remember how someone using that approach might have seemed to them back when the shoe was on the other foot.

    Maybe I read the whole thing wrong.

    But I think that there's no real way around it. Some people will go through this because they have still not realy dealt with the issues that led them to be where they were in the first place. They may have conquered a symptom, but the disease stil runs rampant through their bodies.

    Exactly!! To your entire post!! Bravo!

    I noticed how some people who responded thought the post could possibly be about them lol.

    I see that shallowness in many (not all!) people who post here on MFP . Some post their pics and think they are motivating people, when in reality they are looking for kudos and affirmation that they do indeed look good. They usually only post the current pics too, nothing from when they were truly "fat". Or they were never 'fat' to begin with, not on the level that is considered overweight or obese.
    Then if you disagree with something they have posted, then it comes down to, Oh you're just jealous that I am thin and you're not....sigh...yes, that must be it. You are right, and my fat butt is so busted lol

    But yeah, there are those that have lost a ton of weight that just become other over weight people's worst enemy. They critique everyone. The way I see it, they didn't address their own personal demons before and during losing weight to be able to remain compassionate about the plight of others.
  • bigdawg025
    bigdawg025 Posts: 774 Member
    Exactly!! To your entire post!! Bravo!

    I noticed how some people who responded thought the post could possibly be about them lol.

    I see that shallowness in many (not all!) people who post here on MFP . Some post their pics and think they are motivating people, when in reality they are looking for kudos and affirmation that they do indeed look good. They usually only post the current pics too, nothing from when they were truly "fat". Or they were never 'fat' to begin with, not on the level that is considered overweight or obese.
    Then if you disagree with something they have posted, then it comes down to, Oh you're just jealous that I am thin and you're not....sigh...yes, that must be it. You are right, and my fat butt is so busted lol

    But yeah, there are those that have lost a ton of weight that just become other over weight people's worst enemy. They critique everyone. The way I see it, they didn't address their own personal demons before and during losing weight to be able to remain compassionate about the plight of others.


    This is kind of what I was alluding toward... and I think the poster is as well... for instance the posting of cleavage pics that runs rampant around here (not that I'm complaining LOL), but I only see that as attention seeking and trying to build one's ego rather than show off anything fitness related. I see a LOT of it here... if I post a new pic it's only because I accomplished something and has nothing to do with how I "look". Or... I got tired of looking at the old one. LOL
  • u2fergus
    u2fergus Posts: 422 Member
    I dunno, I think that any major change that a person gos through has the potential to alter who they are fundamentally.

    Smokers who quit often become the harshest ctitics of those who continmue to smoke.

    Alcoholics can turn into the shrillest critics of drinking.

    People who switch churches often become the arch-enemies of their former religion and the greatest evangelists of theit new one.

    The way I see it is that in many cases - not ALL, mind you - that someone who goes through a change like that subconsciously fears that which they have left behind. Obviously they changed for a reason and if it was a najor change and took a while to accomplish, then it was something that had quite a hold on them. I believe that deep down there is a part of them that fears giving any power back to whatever it was they left.

    Alos, people often need see their own struggles as universal, so they attribute their own fight to others. I know plenty of alcoholics who see anyone who ever drinks as an alcoholic and views the whole world as in denial and subject to the whims of the conspiracy of alcohol. I'm not even kidding. It's easier to see something as a universal scourge affecting everyon than it is to admit, "Hey, maybe this is just about me."

    I see how people are talking about having new confidence and not letting others walk all over them, but in my mind that wasn't really what the OP was talking about. I see people who have lost a lot of weight sometimes become the very people they used to hate. Not our of mean-spritedness always, but worse: out of a twisted form of kindness - "I'm not being mean, I'm justb telling you like it is. You NEED to hear this!"

    I wish sometimes those people could go back to who they were and remember how someone using that approach might have seemed to them back when the shoe was on the other foot.

    Maybe I read the whole thing wrong.

    But I think that there's no real way around it. Some people will go through this because they have still not realy dealt with the issues that led them to be where they were in the first place. They may have conquered a symptom, but the disease stil runs rampant through their bodies.

    Absolutely this. I don't like it, but if I'm honest, I have to admit I'm terrified of going back to where I was, so I hate everything about the lifestyle choices that made me that extremely obese and unhappy person. And because I feel so much better the more healthier I get, I naturally want that for my family, friends, everybody else in the world--it's miserable being obese and unhealthy. But... I am well aware that it is not up to me to convert the universe to healthy lifestyle-ism, so I need to curb the urge to preach to everyone I know about the the wonders of moderation and exercise. I'm responsible for myself--not anyone else. And besides... how long did it take me to finally get with the program? Some former-fattie talking me to death about how I need to be more like them would have just driven me farther away.

    I don't know that this is necessarily the same thing as becoming a snob or going around treating people unkindly, but we all have different weaknesses, and I think fear of going back to where we started can take many different shapes. I think this is the unwelcome shape it would most likely take with me, if I'm not careful.
  • SabrinaJL
    SabrinaJL Posts: 1,579 Member
    Since looks have never been part of my allure, I doubt losing a couple pounds is going change me. Still going to have to work on my personality.

    Yes, what he said. lol
  • sofitheteacup
    sofitheteacup Posts: 396 Member
    I don't know about shallow in my case. I am the same person that I have always been. I am generally a very kind, empathetic person. But the one thing that has changed is that I was willing to settle for many years, I wasn't worth enough to invest in myself. That's not the case anymore.

    This. I still care too much about people who don't care enough for me, but now there's a line in the sand. After a certain point, I'm less inclined to take peoples' **** any more. I deserve better. I always did but didn't feel like I could say so. I guess I worried that I would try to stand my ground and someone would ask why I deserved better, and I didn't have an answer. Even now it's not so easy to put into words, but it's simple: I do deserve better.
  • lyssamichelle
    lyssamichelle Posts: 1,307 Member
    I know when I lose all the weight & I'm in shape.. I'll still be considered as "shallow" as I am now. It's just a personal attraction. When you change almost everything about you, what your attracted to may change. I really don't think it's something people can help.
    That doesn't make anyone any less of a nice or caring person. I'm an extremely sweet person, but I do tend to gravitate towards the people my mind seems to be attracted to. Then again, what do I know.
  • Erica_theRedhead
    Erica_theRedhead Posts: 724 Member
    I was just talking to a friend of mine about this. I am worried that I'm becoming vain and shallow. I don't feel like I'm being mean, but I feel like I focus on myself wayy to much. This whole weight loss thing has dominated my life for over a year, and I'm pretty much obsessed with reaching my goal. This is a tough journey, and just like any other life change, your personality would change too. Just have to be cognizant of this fact and change for the better.