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The 4000 calorie vs 2000 calorie argument...:)

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I was talking to a friend about fitness, and he argued me up and down that 4000 calories is the "right" number of calories to eat in a day. I told him I believed a healthy amount for someone not trying to lose weight is around 2000. He acted like I was crazy, and said that eating 2000 would be starving yourself.
Now I agree that if you're highly active you can get by with eating 4000, but I believe for most people that is just to much.
He'd probably have a cow if he found out I was eating 1400. :P What do you think about this "factual information?"
Now I agree that if you're highly active you can get by with eating 4000, but I believe for most people that is just to much.
He'd probably have a cow if he found out I was eating 1400. :P What do you think about this "factual information?"
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Everybody is different.0
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The only time I've seen 4000 + calorie diet is in professional athletes, I read somewhere on NBA website once about diets that some players burn up to 5 lbs in just one game, that's why they consume so many calories, I guess it depends on what they're doing. I'm pretty sure Michael Phelps eats like 12,000 a day!0
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Of course, there's no such thing as the "right" amount of calories, you're much closer to being right than he is.0
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Umm...my 15 year old nephew who's 6'3", 225lbs, and trains for sports 5 days/week probably eats 4k+ calories in a day. *I* on the other hand only burn about 3k calories, and that's only if I'm working out that day. So 2k doesn't sound unreasonable to me0
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Of course, there's no such thing as the "right" amount of calories, you're much closer to being right than he is.
so you're saying she is a unique and beautiful snowflake??0 -
there is a range of "right" and varies by person, bf%, activity level, age, etc.0
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Well they're equally right/wrong.
Centuries of study and research undone by people plucking figures out of thin air and applying them to 7 billion individuals with different bodies, lives and goals.0 -
Well they're equally right/wrong.
Centuries of study and research undone by people plucking figures out of thin air and applying them to 7 billion individuals with different bodies, lives and goals.
Oh yes, I know that no certain amount of calories is right for everyone. I understand some people really do need to have 4000 plus calories a day for various reasons. I just think for sedentary- lightly active people the 4000 range would be to much if sustained over a long period of time.0 -
for sedentary- lightly active people the 4000 range would be to much if sustained over a long period of time.0
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Well 2k would be too much for the majority of people, taking into account the elderly, children and assuming 50% are female.
I think it's just best you don't talk to him about fitness or diet anymore.0 -
Nutrition labels on American food products are designed for a 2,000 calorie diet. While everyone is a unique snowflake, the average adult American snowflake has a daily food requirement of about 2,000 calories.Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs: . . .
http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodLabelingNutrition/ucm063113.htm0 -
I eat 1350, he'd probably have a stroke if he knew that. But I can see someone who is a pro athlete needing that many a day. Depends on the person and their body.0
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Both of you are wrong.0
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Of course, there's no such thing as the "right" amount of calories, you're much closer to being right than he is.
so you're saying she is a unique and beautiful snowflake??
Nope, I'm not at all. I'm just an ordinary kind of girl with a measly opinion. One that may be right or wrong!0 -
2000 is considered for an athlete maintaining their weight. So yeah, 4000 is ridiculous. My maintenance will probably be close to 2000 since when I workout, I eat about 1800-1900 calories. But that's before exercise calories (the 2000 for maintenance).
My base is 1530 and then I typically burn about 400-450 calories per day. Hope this helps you win your argument, lol!0 -
I spent a long time eating 4000 calories. I had to come here to fix that.0
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for sedentary- lightly active people the 4000 range would be to much if sustained over a long period of time.
True! I didn't think about that! Thanks.0 -
Everybody is different, but 2000 is the average. I don't think there is any way for someone to eat 4000 cal a day without gaining weight. All food labeling is based on a 2000 cal/day diet.0
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I would gain weight like crazy if I ate 4000 a day. I'm a small person, so on a day when I don't work out even 2000 is pushing it (1800 is better for me I think).
Sure, if you're bigger, have a lot of muscle, or are really active 4000 is fine, but for most people that's way too much. It seems like he just arbitrarily picked a number.0 -
Depends on the person. Personally, I eat about 2,100 calories a day, but I am sure there are people out there that need more calories.0
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I would weigh 500 pounds if I ate that much. Plus, it would be very difficult for me to eat that much food!0
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There is 3500 calories in one pound of body fat, 4000 is ridiculous. 2000 is more appropriate for a active person.0
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I spent a long time eating 4000 calories. I had to come here to fix that.
LOL... Me too!0 -
*sigh*
For a large active person with lots of muscle, 2k would be totally insufficient. For a totally inactive small person with low muscle and high fat 2000 would be weight gain territory.
4k is not ridiculous. if I could figure out a way to pay my mortgage without sitting at a computer 8 hours a day I could totally eat 3k and not gain weight. My husband is 8 inches taller than me (6'2"), if he had my muscle mass *Rawr* and wasn't so inactive he could easily eat 4k and not gain.
*edit* PS: I think you are more right than him, on average I think most people come out to maintaining around 1800-2500 calories a day.0 -
Wish I could eat 4000 calories a day...grr, lol! Again, though, like others have said people vary so much in their caloric needs. I top out around between 1800-2000 a day and I guess it's an okay amount for me. I see your point though and I don't know why a sedentary adult would need 4,000 cals a day, that seems like a huge amount for average people that really have no physical activity :-/0
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Well they're equally right/wrong.
Centuries of study and research undone by people plucking figures out of thin air and applying them to 7 billion individuals with different bodies, lives and goals.
Oh yes, I know that no certain amount of calories is right for everyone. I understand some people really do need to have 4000 plus calories a day for various reasons. I just think for sedentary- lightly active people the 4000 range would be to much if sustained over a long period of time.
Not necessarily. My starting BMR was just under 4k because of my height and weight. Now my resting, no work out days still burn around 3300.0 -
The only time I've seen 4000 + calorie diet is in professional athletes, I read somewhere on NBA website once about diets that some players burn up to 5 lbs in just one game, that's why they consume so many calories, I guess it depends on what they're doing. I'm pretty sure Michael Phelps eats like 12,000 a day!
Michael Phelps eats 12,000 because he's high0 -
I'm 6'3, 220lb, and today I ate 4213kcal, and was under my calorie goal.0
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The "average" woman is meant to consume 2000 a day (including all activity - and on an active day I definitely eat that)
The "average" man can eat 2500-3000 and not gain weight.
4000 for most, is a surplus.0 -
Michael Phelps eats 12,000 because he's high
Did the same plan, minus the swimming.0
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