SQUAT help!!!
rchupka87
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I am doing the NROLFW. I am in Stage one, and recently decided to start over (I missed all of last week due to a kidney stone). So, I started from the very begininng last night. I am concerned about my squats for a few reasons. The first being, I hear everyone else talking about how sore they are the next day, and I'm not. I figured I probably was not doing the exercise right. Someone had suggested that I do them without the weights - as the weights may be hindering me from using the proper form. So I forgot the weights last night. EVEN with NO weight, I still cannot get into the parallel to the floor position he says. Now, I know he says that there is no such thing as perfect form, and I paid very close attention to everything he suggested - especially the natural arch in my back... I am NO WHERE close to being parallel. Also - I have not been using the squat rack because they don't have one in the womens area of my gym - only out by those big scary body builders that give me dirty looks when I walk to "their" side of the gym. I have been using the free barbells in the womens area. This wouldn't make a difference, would it?
Please help. I really want to make sure I am making the absolute MOST out of each and every workout.
Please help. I really want to make sure I am making the absolute MOST out of each and every workout.
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How far are your legs apart? Are your toes pointed out? Do you push your knees in line with your toes? (But not past them)0
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I would say screw the boys and use the squat rack. Who cares what kind of looks they give you. i started out using the free barbells as well and moved up to the squat rack. If you can not get into parallel position then just get as low as you can and work up to the parallel. This is a strength issue. You may just need to work up to it.0
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Ive learned squats from my trainer.
1. Make sure your legs are even with your shoulders.
2. When squating be sure that you are not holding your breath.
3. (This is my personal preference) Start out putting your hands on your hips and keeping your back as straight as possible.
4. Make sure to use your abs as well this helps with form and balance.
5. Squat down slowly until your legs are at a perfect 90 degree angle.
6. Take your time do not go fast you want to make sure that you are in good form and your triggering your muscles.
**EXTRA NOTE** to help you determine that you are going down far enough try doing it in front of a mirror.
You can also get something like a weight bench and do your squats just enough where your butt hits the bench (DO NOT SIT ON IT) lol its just a marker. Once you get your form down add the weights. Oh and also make sure you put your body weight evenly throughout your feet (i.e.: dont have all your weight on your heels or the balls of your feet).
Hope this helps.0 -
Tip 1: Stick your boobies out as you push your hips back (it'll give you the arched back you're looking for)
Tip 2: Use a box0 -
Okay, so feet shoulder-width apart, toes forward, boobies out, back straight, get as low as you can.... BUT....
Use the box? Really? In the book - they use the Box Squats as a harder variation....
And should I be using the weights or not?0 -
Okay, so feet shoulder-width apart, toes forward, boobies out, back straight, get as low as you can.... BUT....
Use the box? Really? In the book - they use the Box Squats as a harder variation....
And should I be using the weights or not?
You start out with 15 reps. How hard are reps 13, 14, and 15? Are you barely getting them done (probably at the right weight) or can you do 5 more (add some more)? Get a weight bench or a chair and squat till your butt hits it and make sure your knees don't extend past the invisible line with your toes. If you're doing all that, you're probably good. If you're still worried, get a gym staff member to come watch you for 10 minutes.0 -
:bigsmile:Okay, so feet shoulder-width apart, toes forward, boobies out, back straight, get as low as you can.... BUT....
Use the box? Really? In the book - they use the Box Squats as a harder variation....
And should I be using the weights or not?
You start out with 15 reps. How hard are reps 13, 14, and 15? Are you barely getting them done (probably at the right weight) or can you do 5 more (add some more)? Get a weight bench or a chair and squat till your butt hits it and make sure your knees don't extend past the invisible line with your toes. If you're doing all that, you're probably good. If you're still worried, get a gym staff member to come watch you for 10 minutes.
Yes, try bench or chair. Don't be afraid of the "man section", try the squat rack. More than likely you will feel like a bad *kitten* :bigsmile:0 -
Go to YouTube and watch "So You Think You Can Squat" a couple times and then come back here and talk about what you see as needed improvement with your form.0
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Okay - so after my run last night I decided to try to work on my form. I am all KINDS of crazy lookin. My feet were WAY too wide, I bend at the waist entirely too much. My heels come off the ground instead of my toes. I need a lot of work. I still cant get my legs parallel, but I am a hell of a lot closer than I was at the gym on Tuesday. I still need to fine-tune a bit (okay, a lot), but I have to wait until I get to the gym tonight, so I can try it out with the barbell. I was wondering if maybe I should start with the Smith Machine, so the bar will be a bit more stable while I work on my form... thoughts?0
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How is it you're seeing your depth btw? Have you been recording your squats? If not, that may be a good idea. Also, go use the squat rack. You'll be glad you did.0
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Okay - so after my run last night I decided to try to work on my form. I am all KINDS of crazy lookin. My feet were WAY too wide, I bend at the waist entirely too much. My heels come off the ground instead of my toes. I need a lot of work. I still cant get my legs parallel, but I am a hell of a lot closer than I was at the gym on Tuesday. I still need to fine-tune a bit (okay, a lot), but I have to wait until I get to the gym tonight, so I can try it out with the barbell. I was wondering if maybe I should start with the Smith Machine, so the bar will be a bit more stable while I work on my form... thoughts?
No part of your foot should come off the ground during a squat. Also, I would just chase parallel and not make it the qualifier of whether or not you use a barbell. If the 45lb. oly bar is too much weight for you to start with, you could see if your gym has the lighter women's oly bars.
Never use a smith machine. It doesn't do any justice to imitating the real movement.0 -
Ever done squats (deep squats or jumping squats) on a TRX??? Nothing has ever changed my legs as fast!!!! Look it up on you tube! Good luck!0
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forget about parallel to the floor ,to really work u got to go lower ,as low as u can.
as for the big boys , they love a lady near them ,why else are we putting on muscle.
also dont be afraid to ask one of them for advice 99% of us would be glad to show u.0 -
forget about parallel to the floor ,to really work u got to go lower ,as low as u can.
as for the big boys , they love a lady near them ,why else are we putting on muscle.
also dont be afraid to ask one of them for advice 99% of us would be glad to show u.
That depends on whether NROL is recommending high-bar or low-bar squats. Low-bar squats are done at parallel (thigh crease below top of kneecap) or just below. High-bar and Front Squats are often done ATG (a** to grass).0 -
NROLFW doesn't distinguish between the two- high bar or low bar. Never mentions ATG (lol), just says close to parallel as possible, so between your two discriptions, I am guessing low. I am realizing the more I get into this that I have absolutely NO idea what I am doing. :noway:0
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NROLFW doesn't distinguish between the two- high bar or low bar. Never mentions ATG (lol), just says close to parallel as possible, so between your two discriptions, I am guessing low. I am realizing the more I get into this that I have absolutely NO idea what I am doing. :noway:
Don't get bogged down too much in all the details. I'm just one of the fanatical newbies who likes to read everything. But if it tells you to place the bar on your rear deltoids (i.e. make a shelf for the bar by squeezing your shoulder blades together) that's low-bar. High-bar is placed on the traps; though I'll be honest I never do high-bar because it hurt my neck when I've tried it.0 -
NROLFW doesn't distinguish between the two- high bar or low bar. Never mentions ATG (lol), just says close to parallel as possible, so between your two discriptions, I am guessing low. I am realizing the more I get into this that I have absolutely NO idea what I am doing. :noway:
Don't get bogged down too much in all the details. I'm just one of the fanatical newbies who likes to read everything. But if it tells you to place the bar on your rear deltoids (i.e. make a shelf for the bar by squeezing your shoulder blades together) that's low-bar. High-bar is placed on the traps; though I'll be honest I never do high-bar because it hurt my neck when I've tried it.
"make a shelf for the bar by squeezing your shoulder blades together"
i do this when doing the high-bar. doesnt hurt the neck since its resting on the muscle0 -
NROLFW doesn't distinguish between the two- high bar or low bar. Never mentions ATG (lol), just says close to parallel as possible, so between your two discriptions, I am guessing low. I am realizing the more I get into this that I have absolutely NO idea what I am doing. :noway:
Don't get bogged down too much in all the details. I'm just one of the fanatical newbies who likes to read everything. But if it tells you to place the bar on your rear deltoids (i.e. make a shelf for the bar by squeezing your shoulder blades together) that's low-bar. High-bar is placed on the traps; though I'll be honest I never do high-bar because it hurt my neck when I've tried it.
"make a shelf for the bar by squeezing your shoulder blades together"
i do this when doing the high-bar. doesnt hurt the neck since its resting on the muscle
Maybe I'm missing something with high-bar then. But during high-bar I wouldn't thing it would actually be sitting on the shelf; it would be sitting on the upper traps would it not?0 -
NROLFW doesn't distinguish between the two- high bar or low bar. Never mentions ATG (lol), just says close to parallel as possible, so between your two discriptions, I am guessing low. I am realizing the more I get into this that I have absolutely NO idea what I am doing. :noway:
Don't get bogged down too much in all the details. I'm just one of the fanatical newbies who likes to read everything. But if it tells you to place the bar on your rear deltoids (i.e. make a shelf for the bar by squeezing your shoulder blades together) that's low-bar. High-bar is placed on the traps; though I'll be honest I never do high-bar because it hurt my neck when I've tried it.
"make a shelf for the bar by squeezing your shoulder blades together"
i do this when doing the high-bar. doesnt hurt the neck since its resting on the muscle
Maybe I'm missing something with high-bar then. But during high-bar I wouldn't thing it would actually be sitting on the shelf; it would be sitting on the upper traps would it not?
yup, rests on the upper trap muscles. but by squeezing the shoulder blades together, it does create a "shelf" for the bar to rest on. basically my grip is as close together as i can get on the bar.0 -
Okay - so after my run last night I decided to try to work on my form. I am all KINDS of crazy lookin. My feet were WAY too wide, I bend at the waist entirely too much. My heels come off the ground instead of my toes. I need a lot of work. I still cant get my legs parallel, but I am a hell of a lot closer than I was at the gym on Tuesday. I still need to fine-tune a bit (okay, a lot), but I have to wait until I get to the gym tonight, so I can try it out with the barbell. I was wondering if maybe I should start with the Smith Machine, so the bar will be a bit more stable while I work on my form... thoughts?
You really need to watch the video I posted. It's one of the absolute best videos I've ever seen on squatting. I promise it will help you.0 -
I find I can go deeper (with better form) doing a Goblet Squat with a kettlebell than I can with a barbell.
I used goblet squats to find my comfortable leg positioning and proper turn-out on my feet. Because I can sit in the bottom position holding a kettlebell, I am able to make minor adjustments, hold the stretch, and find that place where my heels are driven into the ground and not the balls of my feet.
Getting the goblet squat right made it much easier when I went back to the barbell. I started back with an unweighted bar and then worked on slowly dropping down to my goblet squat depth. Because I was well practiced at that depth, I could stay at the bottom of the squat until I found that correct center of gravity and foot placement so I could drive my heels into the ground and come up with good form.
The goblet squat isn't easier or harder in my opinion, it just helped me get into the idea of being between my legs, not over them. So when I applied that to the barbell, I felt much more comfortable with my deep squat.
Goblet squats may be a bit more difficult at comparable weights, I don't recommend trying to start out with a 45 pound KB even if you're accustomed to putting weight on a barbell. It's likely your hands won't hold as much as your traps can support. I started with a 25 pound KB and when I moved back to the bar, I was using 35-40.0 -
How far are your legs apart? Are your toes pointed out? Do you push your knees in line with your toes? (But not past them)
^^^^this
Feet a little more than shoulder width.
Toes at 10 and 2.
Anything other than parallel puts too much stress on the knees.
Put 225 on your shoulders and see what I mean.0 -
forget about parallel to the floor ,to really work u got to go lower ,as low as u can.
as for the big boys , they love a lady near them ,why else are we putting on muscle.
also dont be afraid to ask one of them for advice 99% of us would be glad to show u.
I agree. Full range of motion. Why only do partial range. If you have good form, you aren't gonna blow your knees. In fact it is good for you knees to actually go through the full range of their motion or as you age you knee flexibility will be eventually be limited. You should take all joints through their full range of motion often.0 -
In addition to watching the videos listed here, consider:
-If you can't get low enough, you should not be doing weighted squats until you can.
-Box squats are a harder variation, but would force you to go low enough on every repetition, and is a good idea to start with when you're not using weight and are working on form.0 -
When I was first starting out, I had a bucket placed where my butt would end up if I kept going and sat down. Knowing there was something there to catch me if I got down and couldn't get up, was helpful. After practicing this in front of a mirror for a while (in my garage, holding a broom) I felt confident enough to put weight on a real bar. I've found that going lower than parallel actually makes it easier as you can just push up with your glutes and thighs instead of trying to control your butt height with your knees. I have arthritis in both knees so have to be very careful to not stress them too much. So far, I'm up to #70 and having no problems.0
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I have arthritis in both knees so have to be very careful to not stress them too much.
That is why I would say body weight only (at least initially) for full squats to slowly build the strength in the knees. For me, body weight squats are plenty of weight. :laugh:0 -
I have watched the videos - 1,2, and 3 actually, and they were very helpful (THANK YOU!). I am just a tad bit OCD - so I really go overboard when I get into something. I keep asking questions until I am 120% comfortable. The more answers I get, and the more videos I watch, and the more research I do - it sounds like I need to back off the weights - period - for a while. I keep thinking that once I have the right form down, I will be able to jump right back to the weight I was lifting at when I was doing it wrong. And logically, there is just no way that is going to happen. I just need to start from scratch - do BW squats until I can consistantly achieve good form, and then build from there. Thanks to EVERYONE for your responses. Toes, knees, butt, hips, boobies, shoulders, neck, eyes higher than mid point, use a box, chair or bench and a broom. Full range of motion, and eff the weights until I can do all of the above with my own body weight.
Am I missing anything? :noway:0 -
think of sitting down with your *kitten* instead of your knees. once i figured that out, my squats have perfect form. try doing it in front of a mirror sideways and adjust and focus on how it feels when you get it right so you can do it right next time.0
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When I lifted in high school something we would use to help learn how far down to go was a bungie cord straped aross the bars you can put on either side to catch the bar if it falls. we would put the bars level with our knees (or there abouts) and then try to touch it with our bum then go back up. this would help the person lifting feel where they needed to be to get down all the way. But it is much more important that your knees are in line with your toes than for you to be getting super low. s0
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Here is a really good video that teaches good squat form and such
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnV7vEi7Sz8&list=FLhbX0Dmja-fLMQLIfjNSHVg&index=2&feature=plpp_video0
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