Looking at my food log as a week vs. a day

JenAiMarres
JenAiMarres Posts: 743 Member
edited December 18 in Health and Weight Loss
I am wondering if anyone has has success looking at their food log as a week vs day by day...

Example...yesterday I had a rest day and went over my calories by 700 but today I applied some of my workout towards that day instead of today. In theory I know it should work towards my weight loss goals , but I am worried that possibly I could go too low on net calories per day. Today i actually burned 750 calories but only gave myself credit for 400 today and applied the other 350 towards Sunday.

Does anyone have success tracking this way...or any advice?

My base calories are 1200... And I always eat my excercize calories back. I am trying to loose about 5 lbs but have been stuck for quite some time.
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  • michellekicks
    michellekicks Posts: 3,624 Member
    In general, if you're only taking one or two rest days a week, I think it's fine to go low one day and eat a little more on another day. In fact, I just saw a health professional who did a DEXA scan and worked out how much I should eat based on my level of fitness... he actually said to keep all my calories relatively constant day to day even on rest days... so on my hardcore workout days i wouldn't be eating all my calories and on my rest days I'd make up for that.

    If over the course of a week you're still averaging your net, and you work out more days than not, I think you should be fine... mind you, I have no professional designation at all. I'm just a little nerdy when it comes to exercise/nutrition science.
  • stubsy1968
    stubsy1968 Posts: 165 Member
    Absolutely! I do check my calories consumed VS burnt each day however I try to look at my week as a whole to stay within my weekly allowance.

    xx Kathy
  • akadrea
    akadrea Posts: 85 Member
    I guess it's kind of like weight watchers and banking points.
  • JenAiMarres
    JenAiMarres Posts: 743 Member
    Thanks for the replies...

    Yes I work out 6 days a week and on average burn about 700 calories. On my Sunday rest day I did eat about what I would have if I had excercizes and do stay fairly consistent with about 1600-1800 cals consumed per day.

    I actually am a WW lifetime member but when I did the program I never excercized and very seldom went over 1200 calories per day (therefor never banked my points). I eat way more now with mfp...and even though I'm not loosing weight the way I did with WW ...I know for sure I am overall healthier and my food choices are way better!
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    I always incorparate a deficit over a week for myself and the people i work with. But looking at a deficit over a week isnt going to affect your weight loss. The two things that will change your weight loss is calories or exercise. So the bigger question is what is your weight goal set at and what type of exercise do you do?
  • JenAiMarres
    JenAiMarres Posts: 743 Member
    I always incorparate a deficit over a week for myself and the people i work with. But looking at a deficit over a week isnt going to affect your weight loss. The two things that will change your weight loss is calories or exercise. So the bigger question is what is your weight goal set at and what type of exercise do you do?

    My weight loss goal is to only loose about 5 lbs. so nothing major. But I am having a tough time. I was 118 lbs in January...and now weigh 132. I realize I do not want to weigh 118 and that's why I started lifting and gaining. I'm actually happier with my appearance now but started getting somewahat bulky in my legs. I stopped weights about two weeks ago and already feel better/thinner...but love the definition lifting gives me...sooo wanna loose some weight and then start back up with weights but lighter this time.

    I do 40-70minutes of either the step mill or treadmill at an 10-15 incline at about 3.0-3.5 speed..(or a combo of both).and since I have stopped lifting I also do a Jillian michaels circuit style video daily.
  • keiraev
    keiraev Posts: 695 Member
    Have you thought about maybe increasing your daily goal to lose 0.5 lb a week? This should give you 1400/1500 calories rather than 1200.

    I was stuck for ages on the last 5lb and increased my cals, and started losing again:smile:
  • em9371
    em9371 Posts: 1,047 Member
    Have you thought about maybe increasing your daily goal to lose 0.5 lb a week? This should give you 1400/1500 calories rather than 1200.

    I was stuck for ages on the last 5lb and increased my cals, and started losing again:smile:

    ^^ good advice, if you only have a few lbs left to lose 0.5 is the best goal.

    I take my calorie counts over the week, some days I am over, some days I am under and its working just fine :-)
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    I use a method that a few on here use. I set my calories for my goal weight and the activity that conservatively represents what my activity ill be in the week. So I'm set for 2200 calories, I eat the same amount every day and I get in at least 2500 calories of exercise in the week. I don't go up and down on exercise days. When I work out, I do heavy lifting, HIIT or 1 hour to 1.5 hour bike rides all at high intensity. The higher the intensity, the more important rest days are. I usually get it 4 workouts per week, 3 at around 400 to 500 calories with strength training with a cardio warm up and 1 ride that will burn 1200 to 1300 calories on the weekend.

    All that to say, I find it easier to view it over a week with level calorie goal than to be going up and down based on exercise on a given day. There are days I'm over by 300 to 500. There are days that I IF and am under by 200 to 400.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Have you thought about maybe increasing your daily goal to lose 0.5 lb a week? This should give you 1400/1500 calories rather than 1200.

    I was stuck for ages on the last 5lb and increased my cals, and started losing again:smile:

    ^^ good advice, if you only have a few lbs left to lose 0.5 is the best goal.

    I take my calorie counts over the week, some days I am over, some days I am under and its working just fine :-)

    I agree with this! You don't have that much to lose. 1200 calories is probably too agressive and may be causing some stalling.
  • JenAiMarres
    JenAiMarres Posts: 743 Member
    I just changed my goal to 1/2 lb a week and that puts my base cals at 1370...so an additional 170 cals... Definitely doable since I seem to want to(and do) go over daily! But when I do go over I gain. I eat fairly clean.

    So frustrating! But I will give it a try!
  • Sheila_Ann
    Sheila_Ann Posts: 365 Member
    Great advise everyone. I've always wondered the same thing myself. Workout days I have an extra 950 calories on top of the 1200 to eat and yesterday, I still had over 600 to eat but I just wasn't hungry and didn't want to just "eat". I may start to look at it as a week. Some days that i'm at 1200 I tend to sometimes still be hungry at night. Thanks everyone!

    Sheila
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    I always incorparate a deficit over a week for myself and the people i work with. But looking at a deficit over a week isnt going to affect your weight loss. The two things that will change your weight loss is calories or exercise. So the bigger question is what is your weight goal set at and what type of exercise do you do?

    My weight loss goal is to only loose about 5 lbs. so nothing major. But I am having a tough time. I was 118 lbs in January...and now weigh 132. I realize I do not want to weigh 118 and that's why I started lifting and gaining. I'm actually happier with my appearance now but started getting somewahat bulky in my legs. I stopped weights about two weeks ago and already feel better/thinner...but love the definition lifting gives me...sooo wanna loose some weight and then start back up with weights but lighter this time.

    I do 40-70minutes of either the step mill or treadmill at an 10-15 incline at about 3.0-3.5 speed..(or a combo of both).and since I have stopped lifting I also do a Jillian michaels circuit style video daily.

    Well here is the thing, weight training is what burns fat and will decrease the size of your legs because you aren't gaining muscle on 1600 calories a day. And you can't build muscle with cardio and it is harder to cut fat with cardio. You may have a feeling of weight loss due to less water being stored since your muscles don't need to be repaired. Also, keep in mind that perception isn't reality. You may feel bloated or bigger, but unless you are measuring, then it's hard to say if you actually are getting bigger. Also, losing 5 lbs won't really change thing, because it's fractions of a pound from all over body, it's not a concentrated area that loses the weight.

    What you should do is estimate your TDEE (the amount of calories you burn each day between metabolic rate, exercise and normal day to day activities) and then cut 20%. I would suggest you start lifting again as you can NOT gain muscle on a caloric deficit. Set you carbs to 35%, protein to 40% and fats to 25%.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Totally agree with lemon! The strength training will be more beneficial than just cardio and will preserve lean mass. BTW, in your profile pic, your legs look great. Not bulky but nice a good muscle definition.
  • JenAiMarres
    JenAiMarres Posts: 743 Member
    Totally agree with lemon! The strength training will be more beneficial than just cardio and will preserve lean mass. BTW, in your profile pic, your legs look great. Not bulky but nice a good muscle definition.

    Thank u...that was my results from 13 weeks doing a circuit training video only..

    I have lots of questions for lemon...everything stated sounds correct but I feel like the exeption to the rule...or I am doing something wrong!! Lol!! I'll be back with a list! :)
  • Cindym82
    Cindym82 Posts: 1,245 Member
    I just changed my goal to 1/2 lb a week and that puts my base cals at 1370...so an additional 170 cals... Definitely doable since I seem to want to(and do) go over daily! But when I do go over I gain. I eat fairly clean.

    So frustrating! But I will give it a try!


    I did this and lost 4lbs quicker than when I was at 1200, it works trust me....it sounds weird but works. First week i saw no change in weight, by second week it started to come off. Sometimes it takes 3 weeks to see results from upping calories
  • Cindym82
    Cindym82 Posts: 1,245 Member
    I always incorparate a deficit over a week for myself and the people i work with. But looking at a deficit over a week isnt going to affect your weight loss. The two things that will change your weight loss is calories or exercise. So the bigger question is what is your weight goal set at and what type of exercise do you do?

    My weight loss goal is to only loose about 5 lbs. so nothing major. But I am having a tough time. I was 118 lbs in January...and now weigh 132. I realize I do not want to weigh 118 and that's why I started lifting and gaining. I'm actually happier with my appearance now but started getting somewahat bulky in my legs. I stopped weights about two weeks ago and already feel better/thinner...but love the definition lifting gives me...sooo wanna loose some weight and then start back up with weights but lighter this time.

    I do 40-70minutes of either the step mill or treadmill at an 10-15 incline at about 3.0-3.5 speed..(or a combo of both).and since I have stopped lifting I also do a Jillian michaels circuit style video daily.

    Well here is the thing, weight training is what burns fat and will decrease the size of your legs because you aren't gaining muscle on 1600 calories a day. And you can't build muscle with cardio and it is harder to cut fat with cardio. You may have a feeling of weight loss due to less water being stored since your muscles don't need to be repaired. Also, keep in mind that perception isn't reality. You may feel bloated or bigger, but unless you are measuring, then it's hard to say if you actually are getting bigger. Also, losing 5 lbs won't really change thing, because it's fractions of a pound from all over body, it's not a concentrated area that loses the weight.

    What you should do is estimate your TDEE (the amount of calories you burn each day between metabolic rate, exercise and normal day to day activities) and then cut 20%. I would suggest you start lifting again as you can NOT gain muscle on a caloric deficit. Set you carbs to 35%, protein to 40% and fats to 25%.


    I have to say I do NOT agree with this at all. My boyfriend for example is ripped, big muscles, abs etc.....he eats at a deficit, as well as does cardio about 2-3 times a week.

    Same with me, I've gained A LOT of muscle and I lift and do cardio and eat at a deficit. Gotta remember that everyone is different and something that might have worked for you might not work for everyone else. ALSO, are you a man or women? Men are completely different than women when it comes to the body
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    With all due respect, your boyfriend either had that muscle tissue before and developed and or revrealed it by lowering his body fat and you probably did not gain any muscle tissue unless you were severely overweight before you started and then you may have gained some slight amount. More likely you developed muscle tissue that was already there and in an atrophied state or also revealed it by lowering body fat. It is virtually impossible to gain new muscle tissue on a deficit. The exceptions are obese people and some people who have not lifted before get something called newbie gains. It's great that your boyfriend is in awesome shape and you are working out too but we are not all different. Physiology applies to you and he just like it does to the rest of us.
  • JenAiMarres
    JenAiMarres Posts: 743 Member
    I always incorparate a deficit over a week for myself and the people i work with. But looking at a deficit over a week isnt going to affect your weight loss. The two things that will change your weight loss is calories or exercise. So the bigger question is what is your weight goal set at and what type of exercise do you do?

    My weight loss goal is to only loose about 5 lbs. so nothing major. But I am having a tough time. I was 118 lbs in January...and now weigh 132. I realize I do not want to weigh 118 and that's why I started lifting and gaining. I'm actually happier with my appearance now but started getting somewahat bulky in my legs. I stopped weights about two weeks ago and already feel better/thinner...but love the definition lifting gives me...sooo wanna loose some weight and then start back up with weights but lighter this time.

    I do 40-70minutes of either the step mill or treadmill at an 10-15 incline at about 3.0-3.5 speed..(or a combo of both).and since I have stopped lifting I also do a Jillian michaels circuit style video daily.

    Well here is the thing, weight training is what burns fat and will decrease the size of your legs because you aren't gaining muscle on 1600 calories a day. And you can't build muscle with cardio and it is harder to cut fat with cardio. You may have a feeling of weight loss due to less water being stored since your muscles don't need to be repaired. Also, keep in mind that perception isn't reality. You may feel bloated or bigger, but unless you are measuring, then it's hard to say if you actually are getting bigger. Also, losing 5 lbs won't really change thing, because it's fractions of a pound from all over body, it's not a concentrated area that loses the weight.

    What you should do is estimate your TDEE (the amount of calories you burn each day between metabolic rate, exercise and normal day to day activities) and then cut 20%. I would suggest you start lifting again as you can NOT gain muscle on a caloric deficit. Set you carbs to 35%, protein to 40% and fats to 25%.

    Heres some more info about me..

    I started lifting in February...I was verrry low in January (118 lbs) too low I am 5'6"...I looked too thin especially in my face and size zeros were falling off me. i have always been fairly muscular geneticly but, I decided to start going to gym and start lifting and wanted to gain some...I increased my calories to maintnance and started GAINING super rapidly.........By April I was up to 132 lbs, but still in all the same clothes. Along the way I decreased my calories...and have been running a defecit for quite some time. Only now am I feeling smaller (and measuring smaller) since quiting the weights.

    TDEE is somewhere between 2400-2700...knock 20% off puts me at 1920 - 2160 calories consumed in a day...I work full time, I have three kids a hubs and a house..pretty active over all plus my workouts. I get confused as to how consuming that many food calories is going to result in a loss.

    My meausurements increased while I was lifting significantly...especially thighs and waist...thighs went up 1.5 inches each...waist increased from 25 to 27. lots of this is due to bloating IMO...which brings me to my macros.

    Macros are set at 30p/40c/30f...I was set at 40p/30c/30f...and had the WORST stomach aches gas blaoting etc imaginable...I woke up feeling terrible from stomach aches every day. and every meal was torture afterwards. I feel MUCH better with these settings, but know they are probably not "ideal".

    Im definitely not trying to give excuses..just saying what I have been doing and what my results have been.

    Thank you everyone for your input...I truly appreciate all advice!
  • Cindym82
    Cindym82 Posts: 1,245 Member
    With all due respect, your boyfriend either had that muscle tissue before and developed and or revrealed it by lowering his body fat and you probably did not gain any muscle tissue unless you were severely overweight before you started and then you may have gained some slight amount. More likely you developed muscle tissue that was already there and in an atrophied state or also revealed it by lowering body fat. It is virtually impossible to gain new muscle tissue on a deficit. The exceptions are obese people and some people who have not lifted before get something called newbie gains. It's great that your boyfriend is in awesome shape and you are working out too but we are not all different. Physiology applies to you and he just like it does to the rest of us.

    Show me proof than, cause he didn't lose body fat, he had it measured in may of last year and again last week and it's exactly the same....

    AND i'm talking from physical hard core PROOF from measurements, and everything, you're talking from a book or article you read. So get off the high horse and maybe get the picture that all articles are not 100% right.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Hey, don't let facts get in your way. Believe what you want.
  • Cindym82
    Cindym82 Posts: 1,245 Member
    Hey, don't let facts get in your way. Believe what you want.

    An article is a point of view of either 1 person, or a group of people who study a small group of people in ONE area, not every single person in the world of all backgrounds and regions, ages, race, the list goes on. There is no way to prove that everyone or everything is the same. Not in any way shape or form. If there was there would be no obesity, no weight problems, no cancer, there would just be tan, buff great looking, thin people running around the entire world....etc. There would be no need for doctor's or things of that nature because you would know how to "fix" everything that could ever be wrong, because again.....blah blah blah in blah blah blah article said this is the RIGHT way to fix things. , sorry but it's completely crap. Ever go to a doctor and hear them say, wow....never seen something like that before. I HAVE, ever go to a car dealer about an issue with your vehicle and hear them say, "wow, never saw that break before", I HAVE! So to say that an atricle/book is stone cold evidence that one particular thing will work for everyone is garbage. And for everyone who believes it you obviously have your head so far up where the sun doesn't shine. So I'll believe the proof that I've seen with my OWN two eyes over anything I've read somewhere. Sorry but articles are not 100% nor do their "rules" apply to every single person in this world. I'm not done commenting on this topic cause you're obviously one of those ppl i'm referring to.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Don't know what "article" your talking about but I guess you've got it all figured out for yourself. Good luck with that!
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    With all due respect, your boyfriend either had that muscle tissue before and developed and or revrealed it by lowering his body fat and you probably did not gain any muscle tissue unless you were severely overweight before you started and then you may have gained some slight amount. More likely you developed muscle tissue that was already there and in an atrophied state or also revealed it by lowering body fat. It is virtually impossible to gain new muscle tissue on a deficit. The exceptions are obese people and some people who have not lifted before get something called newbie gains. It's great that your boyfriend is in awesome shape and you are working out too but we are not all different. Physiology applies to you and he just like it does to the rest of us.

    Show me proof than, cause he didn't lose body fat, he had it measured in may of last year and again last week and it's exactly the same....

    AND i'm talking from physical hard core PROOF from measurements, and everything, you're talking from a book or article you read. So get off the high horse and maybe get the picture that all articles are not 100% right.

    And we can throw it back in your court and ask for hard core proof that you and your guy gained lean muscle mass. Do you have stats showing your weight and body fat % throughout your weight loss/muscle gaining journey? If I have time later, I will look but simply saying my BF is stronger and more cut without saying why you believe it makes it fact. The fact is, your body needs an excess amount of calories in order for it to grow. I do P90X2 and eat 20% below my TDEE and I have yet to gain muscle. I gain strength and cut fat, but I am not in a neighborhood to gain lean muscle mass. Below is the only link I have ever seen that suggest "athletes" can gain muscle while on a calorie deficit.


    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/447514-athletes-can-gain-muscle-while-losing-fat-on-deficit-diet


    Also, keep in mind, that women and men are different in terms of muscle growth. It is much easier for men to gain lean muscle mass if the supply of food inhibits that. So if your BF did gained muscle is was due to a few factors: his BMR could be lower than projected and he ended up eating above his TDEE or he was over/under estimating his intake.


    I am not saying he can't gain lean muscle mass, but I am saying it's highly unlikely, and even more so with you.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,431 MFP Moderator
    I always incorparate a deficit over a week for myself and the people i work with. But looking at a deficit over a week isnt going to affect your weight loss. The two things that will change your weight loss is calories or exercise. So the bigger question is what is your weight goal set at and what type of exercise do you do?

    My weight loss goal is to only loose about 5 lbs. so nothing major. But I am having a tough time. I was 118 lbs in January...and now weigh 132. I realize I do not want to weigh 118 and that's why I started lifting and gaining. I'm actually happier with my appearance now but started getting somewahat bulky in my legs. I stopped weights about two weeks ago and already feel better/thinner...but love the definition lifting gives me...sooo wanna loose some weight and then start back up with weights but lighter this time.

    I do 40-70minutes of either the step mill or treadmill at an 10-15 incline at about 3.0-3.5 speed..(or a combo of both).and since I have stopped lifting I also do a Jillian michaels circuit style video daily.

    Well here is the thing, weight training is what burns fat and will decrease the size of your legs because you aren't gaining muscle on 1600 calories a day. And you can't build muscle with cardio and it is harder to cut fat with cardio. You may have a feeling of weight loss due to less water being stored since your muscles don't need to be repaired. Also, keep in mind that perception isn't reality. You may feel bloated or bigger, but unless you are measuring, then it's hard to say if you actually are getting bigger. Also, losing 5 lbs won't really change thing, because it's fractions of a pound from all over body, it's not a concentrated area that loses the weight.

    What you should do is estimate your TDEE (the amount of calories you burn each day between metabolic rate, exercise and normal day to day activities) and then cut 20%. I would suggest you start lifting again as you can NOT gain muscle on a caloric deficit. Set you carbs to 35%, protein to 40% and fats to 25%.

    Heres some more info about me..

    I started lifting in February...I was verrry low in January (118 lbs) too low I am 5'6"...I looked too thin especially in my face and size zeros were falling off me. i have always been fairly muscular geneticly but, I decided to start going to gym and start lifting and wanted to gain some...I increased my calories to maintnance and started GAINING super rapidly.........By April I was up to 132 lbs, but still in all the same clothes. Along the way I decreased my calories...and have been running a defecit for quite some time. Only now am I feeling smaller (and measuring smaller) since quiting the weights.

    TDEE is somewhere between 2400-2700...knock 20% off puts me at 1920 - 2160 calories consumed in a day...I work full time, I have three kids a hubs and a house..pretty active over all plus my workouts. I get confused as to how consuming that many food calories is going to result in a loss.

    My meausurements increased while I was lifting significantly...especially thighs and waist...thighs went up 1.5 inches each...waist increased from 25 to 27. lots of this is due to bloating IMO...which brings me to my macros.

    Macros are set at 30p/40c/30f...I was set at 40p/30c/30f...and had the WORST stomach aches gas blaoting etc imaginable...I woke up feeling terrible from stomach aches every day. and every meal was torture afterwards. I feel MUCH better with these settings, but know they are probably not "ideal".

    Im definitely not trying to give excuses..just saying what I have been doing and what my results have been.

    Thank you everyone for your input...I truly appreciate all advice!

    So what I am concluding, you probably have a very slow metabolism due to the lack of lean muscle mass. Because if you were 117 pounds and if you were luck at 18% body fat, then you only have 96 lb of lean muscle. And considering women can generally gain 1/2 lb of muscle ever two weeks, then they can only get 26 lbs of muscle a year, and that isn't very common. Now, a lot of what you said may be true in terms of water retention. My question is, were you on a low carb or ketosis diet? Or are you coming off of a VLCD diet (HCG, post ED, etc)?

    My initial estimates are to have you around 1700-1900 calories but we can look at more details.
  • JenAiMarres
    JenAiMarres Posts: 743 Member

    So what I am concluding, you probably have a very slow metabolism due to the lack of lean muscle mass. Because if you were 117 pounds and if you were luck at 18% body fat, then you only have 96 lb of lean muscle. And considering women can generally gain 1/2 lb of muscle ever two weeks, then they can only get 26 lbs of muscle a year, and that isn't very common. Now, a lot of what you said may be true in terms of water retention. My question is, were you on a low carb or ketosis diet? Or are you coming off of a VLCD diet (HCG, post ED, etc)?

    My initial estimates are to have you around 1700-1900 calories but we can look at more details.

    I do think my metabolism is slow...

    I have ZERO idea of what type of protein diet I was on...what are these things below...????
    were you on a low carb or ketosis diet? Or are you coming off of a VLCD diet (HCG, post ED, etc)?

    I think I know post ED(eating disorder???)...and no..I was only so low b/c I was lossing / maintaining really well with mfp since July 2011 and when I got braces on I just kept loosing...(Im 34 y/o btw). I had always fluctuated bewteen 122 -125.
  • Cindym82
    Cindym82 Posts: 1,245 Member
    With all due respect, your boyfriend either had that muscle tissue before and developed and or revrealed it by lowering his body fat and you probably did not gain any muscle tissue unless you were severely overweight before you started and then you may have gained some slight amount. More likely you developed muscle tissue that was already there and in an atrophied state or also revealed it by lowering body fat. It is virtually impossible to gain new muscle tissue on a deficit. The exceptions are obese people and some people who have not lifted before get something called newbie gains. It's great that your boyfriend is in awesome shape and you are working out too but we are not all different. Physiology applies to you and he just like it does to the rest of us.

    Show me proof than, cause he didn't lose body fat, he had it measured in may of last year and again last week and it's exactly the same....

    AND i'm talking from physical hard core PROOF from measurements, and everything, you're talking from a book or article you read. So get off the high horse and maybe get the picture that all articles are not 100% right.

    And we can throw it back in your court and ask for hard core proof that you and your guy gained lean muscle mass. Do you have stats showing your weight and body fat % throughout your weight loss/muscle gaining journey? If I have time later, I will look but simply saying my BF is stronger and more cut without saying why you believe it makes it fact. The fact is, your body needs an excess amount of calories in order for it to grow. I do P90X2 and eat 20% below my TDEE and I have yet to gain muscle. I gain strength and cut fat, but I am not in a neighborhood to gain lean muscle mass. Below is the only link I have ever seen that suggest "athletes" can gain muscle while on a calorie deficit.


    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/447514-athletes-can-gain-muscle-while-losing-fat-on-deficit-diet


    Also, keep in mind, that women and men are different in terms of muscle growth. It is much easier for men to gain lean muscle mass if the supply of food inhibits that. So if your BF did gained muscle is was due to a few factors: his BMR could be lower than projected and he ended up eating above his TDEE or he was over/under estimating his intake.


    I am not saying he can't gain lean muscle mass, but I am saying it's highly unlikely, and even more so with you.


    Considering I'm the one who cooks and he eats what I feed him I know he isn't going over his TDEE, and no he doesn't binge when I'm not around because he's sleeping while I'm at work. But again, you believe what you what and I'll go with what i've seen, recorded etc. I see a doc every single month for medical reasons and so does he. So yes, every single thing is recorded every time we go.
  • ladybug1620
    ladybug1620 Posts: 1,136 Member
    I used to do this. I'd net low several days a week so I could have a big cheat day on the weekends. So I'd look at my total net for the week rather than daily. I did lose at a great rate when I stuck with it. Had a hard time keeping it to just ONE cheat day though, that's the only reason I'm not still doing it that way.

    EDIT: I still do net a bit low some days and high some days and it all evens out, and I'm losing again now that I'm eating cleaner. I just don't do a huge cheat day like I did before.
  • Cindym82
    Cindym82 Posts: 1,245 Member
    I always incorparate a deficit over a week for myself and the people i work with. But looking at a deficit over a week isnt going to affect your weight loss. The two things that will change your weight loss is calories or exercise. So the bigger question is what is your weight goal set at and what type of exercise do you do?

    My weight loss goal is to only loose about 5 lbs. so nothing major. But I am having a tough time. I was 118 lbs in January...and now weigh 132. I realize I do not want to weigh 118 and that's why I started lifting and gaining. I'm actually happier with my appearance now but started getting somewahat bulky in my legs. I stopped weights about two weeks ago and already feel better/thinner...but love the definition lifting gives me...sooo wanna loose some weight and then start back up with weights but lighter this time.

    I do 40-70minutes of either the step mill or treadmill at an 10-15 incline at about 3.0-3.5 speed..(or a combo of both).and since I have stopped lifting I also do a Jillian michaels circuit style video daily.

    Well here is the thing, weight training is what burns fat and will decrease the size of your legs because you aren't gaining muscle on 1600 calories a day. And you can't build muscle with cardio and it is harder to cut fat with cardio. You may have a feeling of weight loss due to less water being stored since your muscles don't need to be repaired. Also, keep in mind that perception isn't reality. You may feel bloated or bigger, but unless you are measuring, then it's hard to say if you actually are getting bigger. Also, losing 5 lbs won't really change thing, because it's fractions of a pound from all over body, it's not a concentrated area that loses the weight.

    What you should do is estimate your TDEE (the amount of calories you burn each day between metabolic rate, exercise and normal day to day activities) and then cut 20%. I would suggest you start lifting again as you can NOT gain muscle on a caloric deficit. Set you carbs to 35%, protein to 40% and fats to 25%.

    Heres some more info about me..

    I started lifting in February...I was verrry low in January (118 lbs) too low I am 5'6"...I looked too thin especially in my face and size zeros were falling off me. i have always been fairly muscular geneticly but, I decided to start going to gym and start lifting and wanted to gain some...I increased my calories to maintnance and started GAINING super rapidly.........By April I was up to 132 lbs, but still in all the same clothes. Along the way I decreased my calories...and have been running a defecit for quite some time. Only now am I feeling smaller (and measuring smaller) since quiting the weights.

    TDEE is somewhere between 2400-2700...knock 20% off puts me at 1920 - 2160 calories consumed in a day...I work full time, I have three kids a hubs and a house..pretty active over all plus my workouts. I get confused as to how consuming that many food calories is going to result in a loss.

    My meausurements increased while I was lifting significantly...especially thighs and waist...thighs went up 1.5 inches each...waist increased from 25 to 27. lots of this is due to bloating IMO...which brings me to my macros.

    Macros are set at 30p/40c/30f...I was set at 40p/30c/30f...and had the WORST stomach aches gas blaoting etc imaginable...I woke up feeling terrible from stomach aches every day. and every meal was torture afterwards. I feel MUCH better with these settings, but know they are probably not "ideal".

    Im definitely not trying to give excuses..just saying what I have been doing and what my results have been.

    Thank you everyone for your input...I truly appreciate all advice!

    So what I am concluding, you probably have a very slow metabolism due to the lack of lean muscle mass. Because if you were 117 pounds and if you were luck at 18% body fat, then you only have 96 lb of lean muscle. And considering women can generally gain 1/2 lb of muscle ever two weeks, then they can only get 26 lbs of muscle a year, and that isn't very common. Now, a lot of what you said may be true in terms of water retention. My question is, were you on a low carb or ketosis diet? Or are you coming off of a VLCD diet (HCG, post ED, etc)?

    My initial estimates are to have you around 1700-1900 calories but we can look at more details.


    This bothers me.....why would you assume the following: "My question is, were you on a low carb or ketosis diet? Or are you coming off of a VLCD diet (HCG, post ED, etc)?"

    There are many factors for women that cause slower met. like thyroid issues, pregnancy, age, eating too little, not the right vitamins since women tend to have lower amounts of Vit D and vit d can cause a problem with weight loss etc. But again you and the other guy are the all knowing god's on this matter. And if she went from 1200 a day to 1900 she'd gain weight right away.
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    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    What doesn't bother you. You disagreed and/ or argued with almost every post but you own. Like I said, you've got it all figured out. good for you.
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