Cutting out grains is KILLING me ;(

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  • Wasabinuts
    Wasabinuts Posts: 19 Member
    Why should one cut out grains alltogether? Grains are important in our diets for fiber and keep out blood glucose and cholesterol in check. I think Moderation is the key to any weight loss program and balanced with a good exercise program. Not allowing food we love ( in moderation) will just cause binge eating (been there, done that)
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I eat low carb but I do not do the paleo thing. I stay under 100 grams but it's usually closer to 60-75 most days. I will eat Flat Out Wraps with the higher fiber in them if I want bread.

    I love Flat Out Wraps!! Good fiber count only 90-100 calories and you can stuff so much more into them than between 2 pieces of bread. Every time I make a wrap my husband says "you are never going to be able to roll that up". But I always do, 'cause I'm cool like that.
  • JBHawaii
    JBHawaii Posts: 94
    It's amazing how many opinions have popped up... So here is mine! Far from killing you, the lack of grains is actually saving your life. Your risk for heart disease, diabetes, cancer, auto-immune reactions (to name a few) will dramatically decrease if you keep it up!

    Also, the reason you are craving the carbs and feel so horrible is because your insulin levels and sensitivity will take a few nweeks to normalize. Once they do you will no longer crave them as much.

    Keep strong, you can do it... I promise, if you do, you will feel AMAZING in no time!
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    It's amazing how many opinions have popped up... So here is mine! Far from killing you, the lack of grains is actually saving your life. Your risk for heart disease, diabetes, cancer, auto-immune reactions (to name a few) will dramatically decrease if you keep it up!

    Nonsense. Do you have any medical data to back that up?
  • bacitracin
    bacitracin Posts: 921 Member
    I eat all that stuff you don't eat in moderation, and I am also in AMAZING! shape.

    Yeah, that's pretty much "Paleo", isn't it?
  • JBHawaii
    JBHawaii Posts: 94
    Yes, there is plenty of medical data to back this claim up including the research that has been conducted at my medical school, UCSF, here in San Francisco. If you would like links to them I would be happy to supply them.
  • JBHawaii
    JBHawaii Posts: 94
    In fact here are a few to get you started... a quick search on PubMed (the national medical publication database) popped up 19000 hits for research papers linking refined carbohydrates and 'disease' with cancer, diabetes, inflamation and auto-immune being search parameters;

    Am J Physiol Renal Physiol. 2011 Nov;301(5):F919-31. Epub 2011 Aug 31

    J Am Soc Nephrol. 2010 Dec;21(12):2036-9. Epub 2010 Nov 29. (this is a good one, it shows medical evidence that refined fructose which is contained in all of your 'carbs are ok' foods, t be so bad as to be considered an environmental toxin!)

    Nutrition. 2010 Nov-Dec;26(11-12):1044-9. Epub 2010 May 14 (this one is even better! it directly links refined modern carbs to cardio vascular disease etc)

    Nutr Metab (Lond). 2005 Feb 21;2(1):5 (this is excellent too)

    Sorry, not enough time to post more... gotta study for medical board exams!
  • JBHawaii
    JBHawaii Posts: 94
    Heres a kicker: research into the anti-nutritional makeup of legumes (not really a poison, just not AS nutritionaly sound);

    TitleAnti-nutritional factors in forage legumes.AuthorsKumar, R.; D'Mello, J. P. F.EditorsD'Mello, J. P. F.;Devendra, C.Book Tropical legumes in animal nutrition. 1995 pp. 95-133 ISBN0-85198-926-8Record Number19951408989
  • jg627
    jg627 Posts: 1,221 Member
    You know nightshade is poisonous too, right? It took our ancestors a long time to adapt to it, while other animals still can't eat it. Apples also contain poison. I wouldn't worry so much about legumes and grain. If you like it, eat it. I would worry more about non naturally occurring trans fat before I start worrying about grain. You're not going to be able to eat everything your ancestors ate, because we are constantly evolving with every generation and, if you go back far enough, some of our ancestors probably even ate dinosaur poop. I dunno about you, but I'm not going to try the dinosaur poop diet.
  • knittnponder
    knittnponder Posts: 1,953 Member
    When we learned that my daughter is gluten intolerant we all struggled with cutting back/cutting out the gluten containing foods and especially bread. We loved bread! I used to grind my own wheat flour and make it from scratch! But it was too hard on my daughter to have us eating it around her so we've stopped making it. I have learned other ways of making most foods but you just can't make a GF bread that tastes the same as whole wheat.

    While it was tough at first (we went cold turkey) it did get easier as we got used to not having it. After a couple of months I decided to make some bread (with my daughter's blessing) and we had some. It was good but not as good as we'd remembered and we all had upset stomachs afterward. So now we're all pretty much gluten free and aren't missing anything now that we've adjusted.

    Long story short: give it time and it will get easier if it's really something you want to do. Remind yourself of the reasons you need to cut it. If you don't have any reasons maybe you should just eat some. ;)
  • spngebobmyhero
    spngebobmyhero Posts: 823 Member
    if you cut out the bread and all gluten completely, the cravings will go away, I promise! Then you can carb cycle with starches, like sweet potatoes, white potatoes, white rice, bananas, etc. I have been gluten free for 4 months now, and I don't have any cravings anymore. I used to make all my own bread and eat a lot of pasta and I stopped missing that stuff after the first two weeks.
  • JBHawaii
    JBHawaii Posts: 94
    At the end of the day its about what works for you... if we ALL just actively work to improve ourselves mentally, phycally, spritually etc then we can't ever go wrong. What's right for one isnt right for all. I have plenty of friends who can eat ANYTHING and never gain weight! It's infuriating. Unfortunately, thats not me.

    So, really, we are al here to support each other and know what, I have all yr backs!
  • jilltaylor86
    jilltaylor86 Posts: 87 Member
    I think this thread should be locked...it's about to turn into another low carb/paleo throwdown...to the original poster, I agree with who said if you can't live your whole life without it, don't cut it out, just moderate and eat a balanced diet.
  • tsh0ck
    tsh0ck Posts: 1,970 Member
    I dunno about you, but I'm not going to try the dinosaur poop diet.

    long as it's wrapped in bacon ... I'm in.
  • wolfi622
    wolfi622 Posts: 206
    A dissenting opinion with peer reviewed and empirical citations:

    http://www.laststopfatloss.com/why-grains-and-gluten-arent-bad-for-you
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    DKBelle Posts: 585
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  • itsjustdawn
    itsjustdawn Posts: 1,073 Member
    I've learned over time, and through a good friend who points it out to me often, that you shouldn't have to completely give something up to lose weight. Moderation, finding healthier alternatives (wheat for white, etc) might be better for the long-run!!
  • BlueInkDot
    BlueInkDot Posts: 702 Member
    then don't cut out grains.

    *shrug*
  • NoAdditives
    NoAdditives Posts: 4,251 Member
    I tried carb cycling before and cutting out grains, basically eating "paleo?" I guess u would call it.. and it's killing me today.. my choice of bread is always whole wheat or eziekel brand.. and i feel like crap today.. i get tons of carbs from veggies, and hit at least 100g protein with chicken, turkey... protein powder after a run.. but it's so hard to cut out the bread lol.


    has anyone felt like this? how about i try carb cycling, would that help as in... the days i do workout - allow myself one slice of bread a day and days i dont workout - no bread/grains..

    for those who do carb cycling or low carb to lose body fat or break through a plateau.. what is your meal plan like and what has worked for u?

    If it makes you feel like crap, why do it? are you going to do it long-term?
  • mommyweighless
    mommyweighless Posts: 192 Member
    I tried carb cycling before and cutting out grains, basically eating "paleo?" I guess u would call it.. and it's killing me today.. my choice of bread is always whole wheat or eziekel brand.. and i feel like crap today.. i get tons of carbs from veggies, and hit at least 100g protein with chicken, turkey... protein powder after a run.. but it's so hard to cut out the bread lol.


    has anyone felt like this? how about i try carb cycling, would that help as in... the days i do workout - allow myself one slice of bread a day and days i dont workout - no bread/grains..

    for those who do carb cycling or low carb to lose body fat or break through a plateau.. what is your meal plan like and what has worked for u?

    In the morning: 4 Pork Sausage links and coffee
    Lunch: Salmon/Tuna fish cakes covered with a cheese based sauce.
    Dinner: chicken and gravy or a steak
    Snacks: Cheese sticks, cottage cheese, almonds, whey protein shakes.

    When starting a low carb diet your body will go through a period of withdrawl. It passes in about a week. Bacon is your friend.

    I have heard conflicting ideals on bacon and weighloss..some say to completely avoid it while others say that 2 slices a day helped them lose..??
  • juicemoogan
    juicemoogan Posts: 994 Member
    if its killing you then you are not going to be able to keep it up indefinitely.. so why not try something that you can maintain instead of something that is "killing you"
  • aproc
    aproc Posts: 1,033 Member
    My rule of thumb - If I can't live without it forever, then I am not going to give it up.

    I've gone up and down on the scale from 125 to 205 over the last 15 years that I couldn't even tell you how many different size clothes are in my closet. Granted there was a baby in that time frame, but still. My committment to myself, with MFP & all my friend's help on here, is to make a lifestyle change. I want to change my habits and adopt a healthy, balanced lifestyle that will allow me to maintain a healthy weight going forward.

    I know this probably doesn't help you with your current predicament, but I wish you the best of luck!
    I love what she said here! What are your goals with this? It might be better to incorporate the grains into your diet and just keep a small deficit because if you are having such a hard time with it now, then it really isn't something you can keep up.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    In fact here are a few to get you started... a quick search on PubMed (the national medical publication database) popped up 19000 hits for research papers linking refined carbohydrates and 'disease' with cancer, diabetes, inflamation and auto-immune being search parameters;

    Am J Physiol Renal Physiol. 2011 Nov;301(5):F919-31. Epub 2011 Aug 31

    J Am Soc Nephrol. 2010 Dec;21(12):2036-9. Epub 2010 Nov 29. (this is a good one, it shows medical evidence that refined fructose which is contained in all of your 'carbs are ok' foods, t be so bad as to be considered an environmental toxin!)

    Nutrition. 2010 Nov-Dec;26(11-12):1044-9. Epub 2010 May 14 (this one is even better! it directly links refined modern carbs to cardio vascular disease etc)

    Nutr Metab (Lond). 2005 Feb 21;2(1):5 (this is excellent too)

    Sorry, not enough time to post more... gotta study for medical board exams!

    Did you even read any of these?

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  • kristibag81
    kristibag81 Posts: 61
    My rule of thumb - If I can't live without it forever, then I am not going to give it up.

    I agree!

    You are better than me...I can't even thinking about giving up bread...
  • montanadanni
    montanadanni Posts: 184 Member
    I am high protein and low carbing it, if I do have carbs they are gluten free or complex. I have lost 63lbs so far:) I have a lot of energy and my muscle tone is starting to come back now that I am consistently working out. Defiantly happy with the results!

    The first two months are tough low carbing it.... but if you stick it out, it gets better:)
  • jenilla1
    jenilla1 Posts: 11,118 Member
    Low carb may not be your thing. We are all different biochemically. A recent study out of MIT suggests that people who have trouble regulating their serotonin levels should not do low carb, high protein diets. It can negatively affect mood and energy. Some people thrive on low carb, and others don't. If you are insulin resistant, low carb might be the right choice.

    I love my whole-grain carbs. I try to avoid overly processed ones though. That's just garbage in. I've never had a problem with my weight or fitness, and my recent blood work came back with awesome blood sugar! Because I'm a runner, I need plenty of healthy carbs to fuel my workouts as well as protein to rebuild and repair. Figure out what works for you and do it! Good luck! :drinker:
  • sleepytexan
    sleepytexan Posts: 3,138 Member
    I tried carb cycling before and cutting out grains, basically eating "paleo?" I guess u would call it.. and it's killing me today.. my choice of bread is always whole wheat or eziekel brand.. and i feel like crap today.. i get tons of carbs from veggies, and hit at least 100g protein with chicken, turkey... protein powder after a run.. but it's so hard to cut out the bread lol.


    has anyone felt like this? how about i try carb cycling, would that help as in... the days i do workout - allow myself one slice of bread a day and days i dont workout - no bread/grains..

    for those who do carb cycling or low carb to lose body fat or break through a plateau.. what is your meal plan like and what has worked for u?

    I eat bread and pasta and, basically anything at all that I want. My morning coffee probably has more carbs than some people's entire day. It works for me.
  • nightsrainfall
    nightsrainfall Posts: 244 Member
    I was grain free for several months. My new job and position makes it almost impossible to eat enough calories & be grain free. However I did really well grain free. If I was craving sugar/sweet/something I'd go to baked apples. I loved lettuce wraps, etc. Pintrest had a ton of 'paleo' friendly recipes.

    But, I don't think it's for everyone. So while cutting grains worked well for me, and I try to eat less of them now; I'm sure there's people out there who can't do veggies, fruits, nuts, and meats alone.
  • MikeFlyMike
    MikeFlyMike Posts: 639 Member
    if you can't do it - don't.
    worked for me.