Attachment parenting and that Time cover...
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I say to each their own.
But the picture on the cover was obviously meant to shock and bring up discussion, my guess is that Time magazine's circulation department is down and they are looking to drum up some business.
This! I tried to BF my daughter as long as possible which ended up being only 1 month due to illness. I think its up to the mother what they want to do. If other people dont like it, look away. I wouldn't BF my child till that age, i think 2years is plenty.0 -
I don't care about breastfeeding in public necessarily, just attempt to be discreet.
BUT, I really do not get mothers who attempt to be natural in every other aspect of their child rearing and then do the "child led" weaning.
Ever seen a mother cat and her babies when it's time to wean? She kicks the crap out of them to teach them to get used to doing without it. That's nature. It's natural for the mother to say "yup, time for you to stop that." The child does none of the "leading" because, well, they're an immature being with limited capacity for decision-making as determined by their biology (under- developed frontal lobe being a major factor in humans...duh.)
If a kid has teeth in their head and can hold a cup, they should eat solid food on their own. If they can ask for it in complete sentences, they're probably too old. I do not buy the 3+ years of breastfeeding as being necessary or natural.0 -
I nursed all 4 of our children...the first two children for 18 months each, the next child for 10 months, our last child for 20 months.
After seeing this pic and the headline--these quotes come to my mind:
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Napoleon Bonaparte
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Sorry. Misinterpretation. Your sentence, grammatically, reads as if you called your baby "it." I carried my baby in, sleeping, in the car carrier, and set it down next to me. <~~ remove the "fluff" between the commas, and you have "I carried my baby in and set it down next to me."
Sometimes my love of grammar makes me read things too literally, I suppose.
I guess, while it wouldn't be grammatically incorrect if I had called my baby "it", you found it otherwise incorrect. Thank you for correcting whichever error you prefer. Good job out-momming me, but I still have more kids, so that must count for something.
Wasn't trying to "out-mommy" you... but since you brought it up, I actually have five children.
I seriously read your "friend" bashing post and thought in the midst of that post that you called your baby "it." That isn't even correct, actually, in grammar either. The proper pronoun for a female is she; proper pronoun for a male is he.
I said sorry for the misinterpretation. Don't get your panties in a wad.0 -
Yes. This. As a mom that is currently breastfeeding a 4 year old and a 2 year old (tandem), I rarely stand like that and have my breast that way. I love child led weaning. I love that my body continues to give my children antibodies (no; they do NOT outgrow this need at a year, as a child's immune system is not fully developed until somewhere around age 6) and nutrition. I don't force them to nurse (much to the surprise of people who say that moms who BF past a year only do it for themselves). BF is hard. BF for four years is harder! It isn't for myself! It's for my babies. However, we never have any tacky displays of it. We are discreet.
Though I'll tell anyone about it.
Just curious - do your kids eat food too or just breastmilk?
They eat food. My 4 year old is in the process of weaning himself and nurses every other day, occasionally once a day for a few days and then back to every other day. My almost 2 year old nurses probably six or seven times a day. Sometimes it's just because he's been hurt and needs some mommy comfort. Sometimes it's after he has eaten and he is thirsty. He doesn't drink cow's milk at all. The 4 year old drinks soy milk because he's cow's milk protein intolerant (which had nothing to do with my nursing him; it was not discovered until he was around 2 and I tried to give him a little milk).0 -
I breastfed both of my Daughters for around 6 months. At that point I quit producing milk. I would have done it longer, possibly a year.
That cover . . . made me throw up in my mouth. It's disturbing to me. He looks older than 3. Breastmilk is for babies, not for Kindergarteners.0 -
I don't care about breastfeeding in public necessarily, just attempt to be discreet.
BUT, I really do not get mothers who attempt to be natural in every other aspect of their child rearing and then do the "child led" weaning.
Ever seen a mother cat and her babies when it's time to wean? She kicks the crap out of them to teach them to get used to doing without it. That's nature. It's natural for the mother to say "yup, time for you to stop that." The child does none of the "leading" because, well, they're an immature being with limited capacity for decision-making as determined by their biology (under- developed frontal lobe being a major factor in humans...duh.)
If a kid has teeth in their head and can hold a cup, they should eat solid food on their own. If they can ask for it in complete sentences, they're probably too old. I do not buy the 3+ years of breastfeeding as being necessary or natural.
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That is F***ing SICK!0
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I tried breastfeeding my son, and sadly, my milk supply was low to begin with (on top of that once we brought him home, he was still breastmilk jaundiced) and even when i pumped, i couldn't produce enough (i couldn't do direct attachment because my nipples were inverted) so sadly almost a month after he was born, i had to stop breastmilk altogether (i was producing less then 10ml a day). Once my 3 month old starts eating solid foods, i will be happy. I was disgusted when I seen that cover for the fact that he is old enough to not be sucking on mom's breasts. I'm sorry, but if i were still able to breastfeed, i probably would wean at 6 months. I know that i kept getting strange looks when i would try to breastfeed, and i always kept a blanket over my chest.0
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Disgusting, the poor children that are going to have memories of this. Its just wrong on so many levels no matter how it tries to get twisted into being okay.0
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Disgusting, the poor children that are going to have memories of this. Its just wrong on so many levels no matter how it tries to get twisted into being okay.
My 12 year old daughter nursed until after her 4th birthday, and she has no recollection of it. My 6 year old daughter (who also nursed until after 4) has only a little recollection of nursing, and I'm not sure she really remembers. I think she thinks she does because the boys nurse...
My 14 year old (who has both nursed and witnessed her siblings nursing AND watched me give birth to my youngest two babies. In fact, all four of my older kids were with me during the birth of my fifth) is the most laid back kid. She's modest, but doesn't freak out about the human body. Just the way I want it. A friend of hers commented about a mom breastfeeding her child at the mall, and my daughter said, "it's just breastfeeding. It's what breasts are made for. What about it?"
'atta girl! My kids know how a baby is born and where nature intends them to attain their food.... I don't think that's a problem, and they aren't maladjusted... so I must not be failing them too terribly.0 -
Disgusting, the poor children that are going to have memories of this. Its just wrong on so many levels no matter how it tries to get twisted into being okay.
My 12 year old daughter nursed until after her 4th birthday, and she has no recollection of it. My 6 year old daughter (who also nursed until after 4) has only a little recollection of nursing, and I'm not sure she really remembers. I think she thinks she does because the boys nurse...
My 14 year old (who has both nursed and witnessed her siblings nursing AND watched me give birth to my youngest two babies. In fact, all four of my older kids were with me during the birth of my fifth) is the most laid back kid. She's modest, but doesn't freak out about the human body. Just the way I want it. A friend of hers commented about a mom breastfeeding her child at the mall, and my daughter said, "it's just breastfeeding. It's what breasts are made for. What about it?"
'atta girl! My kids know how a baby is born and where nature intends them to attain their food.... I don't think that's a problem, and they aren't maladjusted... so I must not be failing them too terribly.
So breastfeeding your kids that old might had given them poor memories?0 -
Disgusting, the poor children that are going to have memories of this. Its just wrong on so many levels no matter how it tries to get twisted into being okay.
My 12 year old daughter nursed until after her 4th birthday, and she has no recollection of it. My 6 year old daughter (who also nursed until after 4) has only a little recollection of nursing, and I'm not sure she really remembers. I think she thinks she does because the boys nurse...
My 14 year old (who has both nursed and witnessed her siblings nursing AND watched me give birth to my youngest two babies. In fact, all four of my older kids were with me during the birth of my fifth) is the most laid back kid. She's modest, but doesn't freak out about the human body. Just the way I want it. A friend of hers commented about a mom breastfeeding her child at the mall, and my daughter said, "it's just breastfeeding. It's what breasts are made for. What about it?"
'atta girl! My kids know how a baby is born and where nature intends them to attain their food.... I don't think that's a problem, and they aren't maladjusted... so I must not be failing them too terribly.
So breastfeeding your kids that old might had given them poor memories?
No. You insinuated that it would, and it would not. They are undamaged. Fear not for the "poor children that are going to have memories of this." They don't remember even just a few years ago!0 -
I say to each his own. The cover and title are obviously there to shock and nothing else.
I bf my son until he was about 27-29 months old and weaned him at that time because I wanted my body back before my daughter was born (three months after he was weaned). She wasn't as interested in bf as he was and believe me he would watch and ask for a turn . She only bf until she was 4 months old, she lost interest.
I had no problem bf in public but I will admit that I did not bf my son in public after about month 7. He was better at eating solids and didn't need to eat as often as an infant does.0 -
Disgusting, the poor children that are going to have memories of this. Its just wrong on so many levels no matter how it tries to get twisted into being okay.
My 12 year old daughter nursed until after her 4th birthday, and she has no recollection of it. My 6 year old daughter (who also nursed until after 4) has only a little recollection of nursing, and I'm not sure she really remembers. I think she thinks she does because the boys nurse...
My 14 year old (who has both nursed and witnessed her siblings nursing AND watched me give birth to my youngest two babies. In fact, all four of my older kids were with me during the birth of my fifth) is the most laid back kid. She's modest, but doesn't freak out about the human body. Just the way I want it. A friend of hers commented about a mom breastfeeding her child at the mall, and my daughter said, "it's just breastfeeding. It's what breasts are made for. What about it?"
'atta girl! My kids know how a baby is born and where nature intends them to attain their food.... I don't think that's a problem, and they aren't maladjusted... so I must not be failing them too terribly.
So breastfeeding your kids that old might had given them poor memories?
No. You insinuated that it would, and it would not. They are undamaged. Fear not for the "poor children that are going to have memories of this." They don't remember even just a few years ago!
How sad they're not able to remember things. That happens to my grandparents from time to time.0 -
Disgusting, the poor children that are going to have memories of this. Its just wrong on so many levels no matter how it tries to get twisted into being okay.
My 12 year old daughter nursed until after her 4th birthday, and she has no recollection of it. My 6 year old daughter (who also nursed until after 4) has only a little recollection of nursing, and I'm not sure she really remembers. I think she thinks she does because the boys nurse...
My 14 year old (who has both nursed and witnessed her siblings nursing AND watched me give birth to my youngest two babies. In fact, all four of my older kids were with me during the birth of my fifth) is the most laid back kid. She's modest, but doesn't freak out about the human body. Just the way I want it. A friend of hers commented about a mom breastfeeding her child at the mall, and my daughter said, "it's just breastfeeding. It's what breasts are made for. What about it?"
'atta girl! My kids know how a baby is born and where nature intends them to attain their food.... I don't think that's a problem, and they aren't maladjusted... so I must not be failing them too terribly.
So breastfeeding your kids that old might had given them poor memories?
No. You insinuated that it would, and it would not. They are undamaged. Fear not for the "poor children that are going to have memories of this." They don't remember even just a few years ago!
How sad they're not able to remember things. That happens to my grandparents from time to time.
Aw... your bash about the "poor children" (who aren't so poor, by the way; breastfeeding literally saved my daughter's life. Oh, the poor thing) didn't quite work out as planned, and you've forgotten to bring your big girl panties, so now you have to try to make digs any way you can?
Poor dear.0 -
I don't care about breastfeeding in public necessarily, just attempt to be discreet.
BUT, I really do not get mothers who attempt to be natural in every other aspect of their child rearing and then do the "child led" weaning.
Ever seen a mother cat and her babies when it's time to wean? She kicks the crap out of them to teach them to get used to doing without it. That's nature. It's natural for the mother to say "yup, time for you to stop that." The child does none of the "leading" because, well, they're an immature being with limited capacity for decision-making as determined by their biology (under- developed frontal lobe being a major factor in humans...duh.)
If a kid has teeth in their head and can hold a cup, they should eat solid food on their own. If they can ask for it in complete sentences, they're probably too old. I do not buy the 3+ years of breastfeeding as being necessary or natural.
100% Agree! Couldn't have said it better myself!:drinker:0 -
No one should bash a mother for extended breastfeeding...In other countries it is quite normal to feed beyond a year this way. The normal self weaning age is between 2 and 4 some kids might not go as long some might go longer. Like I said in an earlier post I didn't breast feed at all. But just like I can't stand for people to say poor kids to me when they find out I didn't BF I think it is horrible to say poor kids about someones kids whose mother is doing nothing wrong.0
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Like I said in another post similar to this one....
I am getting upset with the amount of people telling me to wean my son. He's 14 months. It works for us. He feeds 4 times a day, before and after every time he sleeps. There are so many health benefits, even beyond a year. For both of us, especially with the history of breast cancer in my family. I would have BF my daughter longer except I got pregnant and couldn't. I plan to BF until he naturally weans. If that means he's 3, that's fine. I don't think he'll want that tho. He's already too busy to BF these days. Why sit still with mom when there is a cat to annoy or blocks to build?
To each their own. I agree. This is a shameful attempt at attention grabbing on the part of Time magazine. That's not how a mom would BF a 3 year old anyway. I only read an excerpt this morning since I don't subscribe, but I hope the article is respectful of "Attachment Parenting". At my house, we just call it parenting. LOL
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I think the pic is taken at that angle to get a response .... now if she were sitting down cuddling the wee one while he had a drink no one would even look twice . my aunt fed my cousin till she was that age
Im all for breast feeding and have fed all 4 of my kids ap till between 12 and 18 months (if memory serves ) they are all older now the youngest being 110 -
The proper pronoun for a female is she; proper pronoun for a male is he.
Now if you're going to be technical, let's admit that, although you disapprove, "it", is in fact a proper pronoun for "baby".
I am going to work on sentence structure, though, so I can increase my score.0 -
I think the pic is taken at that angle to get a response .... now if she were sitting down cuddling the wee one while he had a drink no one would even look twice . my aunt fed my cousin till she was that age
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Here's the mom above are sitting down with her child nursing as well as other mothers from the article...and I'd definitely look twice--no doubt about it. Her name is Jamie Lynne..
Also, here's a link with Q&A with the mom, Jamie Lynne on the cover about her nursing...it's deep!
http://healthland.time.com/2012/05/10/q-a-with-jamie-lynne-grumet/
Also, I thought this child looked way older than three. After reading the article, I discovered that the little man is 3 years old, but he'll be 4 years old next month.
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***The little girl is 3 years old and the two children tandem nursing are her 4 years old son and 5 month old baby girl***0 -
Disgusting, the poor children that are going to have memories of this. Its just wrong on so many levels no matter how it tries to get twisted into being okay.
I remember when my younger sister was born and my mom was nursing her (so I would have been close to 4 years old) coming in and seeing her nursing and asking if I could have some too. My mom allowed me to. At that point I remember being surprised that it tasted warm and sweet, because by that age I was used to drinking cows milk. This is a very clear memory to me. It has never disturbed me, but rather I always chuckle a bit when I recall it.0 -
The more I'm reading about this woman Jamie Lynne...I dunno:huh: , I would say it's none of my blasted business BUT she is on THE COVER OF TIME MAGAZINE :indifferent:
I found this blog she wrote/posted report called "Nurse-In at Target"... turns out she has an adopted son, who she also nurses sometime...he's 5 years old! Here's the article...it's alarming/disturbing to me (for some ODD reason). Here's an excerpt and a pic from the blog article she wrote Dec. 2011...
Nurse-In at Target in Los Angeles – Operation: Normalize Breastfeeding
http://momsla.com/author/jamie-lynne/
"We adopted our second son from Ethiopia. He was a month shy of his fourth birthday when he came home. We found out soon after he arrived home his mother had breastfed him right up until he entered the orphanage (at 3.5 years old.) From my own experience breastfeeding, my heart broke even more for him. Not only did he lose his mother (the most important and present person to him at that time), he lost his language, his country, and the only thing that would provide true comfort to him- breastfeeding. My son did not have a pacifier or a blankie that could soothe him.
My son came home only speaking Sidamic and a little Amharic. He saw me breastfeeding his brother one day and was interested. I asked him if he wanted to nurse and he nodded his head. I cannot tell you how much this action provided the comfort that my child needed. It aided in both of our attachment to each other. It also solidified his place in the family. My biological son saw that he was his equal, and my adopted son understood that he was just as important as his brother.
It is easy to judge things we don’t understand. I want to encourage everyone to keep an open mind about breastfeeding. Whether it be breastfeeding in public (cover or no cover), adoptive breastfeeding, or even extended breastfeeding. It may not be right for your family, but it might be the saving grace in another family. As mothers, we need to encourage each other to make the right decisions for our children.
Jamie is a Los Angeles Mom Blogger. Her personal blog is I Am Not The Babysitter! – and she coauthors Mommy Hates Chemicals
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Also check out this article called: Who is Jamie Lynne Grumet
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/340083/20120511/jamie-lynne-grumet-time-magazine-breastfeeding-cover.htm?page=2
:huh: I nursed all of my children, the last one for 20 months, so I'm no "prude" when it comes to nursing your children...but something is scary about this chick to me. I also saw a Good Morning America or the Today's Show program with her and the little man on there, and it was extremely disturbing to me too. Not just the mom, but how the mom was reacting to the boy, and the little boys behavior... Here's the clip in case you didn't see it:
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/today-show-interviews-jamie-lynne-grumet-time-magazine-cover-mother-with-3-year-old-breastfeeding0 -
I believe AP is the best way of bringing up your child, and I plan to be an AP Mummy.
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I don't care about breastfeeding in public necessarily, just attempt to be discreet.
BUT, I really do not get mothers who attempt to be natural in every other aspect of their child rearing and then do the "child led" weaning.
Ever seen a mother cat and her babies when it's time to wean? She kicks the crap out of them to teach them to get used to doing without it. That's nature. It's natural for the mother to say "yup, time for you to stop that." The child does none of the "leading" because, well, they're an immature being with limited capacity for decision-making as determined by their biology (under- developed frontal lobe being a major factor in humans...duh.)
If a kid has teeth in their head and can hold a cup, they should eat solid food on their own. If they can ask for it in complete sentences, they're probably too old. I do not buy the 3+ years of breastfeeding as being necessary or natural.
And cats also teach their kittens to hunt. I don't see anyone teaching 1 year olds to slay.
And who says it's natural? If you want to talk about natural, let's talk about formula and keeping babies in a room all by themselves, not to mention elective C-sections and MGM/FGM.
Breastfeeding is beneficial in more ways than one. It IS natural, and so is extended nursing. Just because people like you are uncomfortable with it because of their own prejudices, it doesn't stop benefiting the child.
And, for the record, children can be born with teeth. Young babies can hold sippy cups. Babies ask for milk from birth. None of these things mean a child shouldn't have milk.
And if you're that against, don't give your child cow's breastmilk. Because that's just hypocritical.0 -
I breastfed both of my Daughters for around 6 months. At that point I quit producing milk. I would have done it longer, possibly a year.
That cover . . . made me throw up in my mouth. It's disturbing to me. He looks older than 3. Breastmilk is for babies, not for Kindergarteners.
If breastmilk was solely for babies, it would stop benefiting them after infanthood.
Don't make innacurate claims.0 -
Disgusting, the poor children that are going to have memories of this. Its just wrong on so many levels no matter how it tries to get twisted into being okay.
Oh, the poor child getting comfort and nutrition from Mummy! I forgot, giving them processed cow's milk and artificial milk replacement, sticking them in a dark room by themselves from birth and leaving them to cry until they're exhausted are MUCH better ways to bring up a secure child!0 -
The World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding for a minimum of 3 years. I practiced child lead weaning as did most people I know. However, I do not live in the US.
I also practiced attachment parenting which was not invented by Dr. Sears as the article implies but has been the normal method of parenting for thousands of years and is the most usual way of parenting in non-westernized cultures.
Having said that - I have no problem with how people chose to parent their children. What works for my family won't work for yours and whats right for yours won't be right for the next family and so on and so on.
I am the expert at parenting MY children. No one elses.
What I hate about that article is that it is setting up the mommy wars. We are competitive enough with each other and I hate that it is looking to shoot down each other. As mothers we should be looking to build each other up because lets face it - its a damn tough job.
I also hate that picture. Seriously. They are trying to create controversy and I guess they've done it but they have a chosen a thin, beautiful hipster type mother, a large (thats a tall 3 year old) BOY looking at the camera and exposed her chest and posed them to get people talking. If they showed her cradling her child nursing him, it wouldn't have created the same buzz.
And the title "Are you Mom enough?".....don't get me started.
Well said! I agree with everything you said. I'm so sick of the mommy wars!0
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