How come no one ever thinks they're the BAD one?
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I am a procrastinator with a horrible tendency to psychoanalyze people. Including myself. I also hold myself and everyone around me to ridiculous standards.
In short, I'm kind of annoying.0 -
Seriously, though, my marriage has had a lot of problems, because I'm a crazy person and my husband is an a-hole. I think, though, that we want to be the good ones. You don't want to think you're a bad person. That would totally suck.
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This is my situation as well...He will say you weren't like this when we were dating I will be like yeah...I became this way after you were cheating while we were dating....
I am insecure, have trust issues.....enough said0 -
if anyone can ever say "I did NOTHING wrong" with a straight face at the end of a relationship, they deserve an award, because there is almost NO way a break up/split/divorce is 100% any one person's fault. It's just as much about the reaction as it is the action. This is not to say one person can't be more to blame, but certainly cannot be the only to blame. I've certainly had my fairshare of screw-ups and I'm sure there will be plenty more to come.
I can say it with a straight face.
On a completely unrelated note, I'm damned good at lying through my teeth.0 -
With the first guy I dated after my marriage broke up, I was the jerk. I didn't feel like it at the time, but I was a selfish b!t*h. And even though I was, when I broke up with him he tried to talk me out of it, and told me I would regret it later. And I did, but everything happens for a reason. I just feel bad for the way I acted.0
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I'm 100% Polish and I'm a Leo.
I think that pretty much sums up every thing that a person could possibly do wrong in a lifetime. :laugh:
Seriously though - I overanalyze the crap out of everything, I'm stubborn as all hell, I am highly skilled at turning the other person into the bad guy in any situation and once I have flipped it around I am 100% convinced its the truth (it has been the case in many situations and has not been the case in many as well), I see everything in grey (vs. black and white) and although in some cases this is a blessing - it is a hindrance in many others, I allow people to treat me a certain way and then at some point I will have had enough and will go on rampage and expect them to have been a better person (without actually showing them they should have been), I'm not very good with money, I have unrealistic expectations, I hog the bed covers like a boss, I am 27 and just really learning how to cook, I'm emotionally inept.. I can go on and on.
All that being said - I've done a lot of growing in the past few years and still have plenty of issues to work out - but I'm getting there.0 -
I read an article about this on Cracked. There's science behind this, man.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19468_5-logical-fallacies-that-make-you-wrong-more-than-you-think_p2.html
I can't ever read anything on Cracked! Why is this?
"Here's a good way to ruin your afternoon. Go on the Internet and find any discussion thread that brings up overweight people (like this or this one). Stand back and watch as a crowd absolutely rants about how incredibly easy it is to lose weight, and how incredibly lazy you have to be to get fat. The conclusion will be that being fat is literally a moral failing and the sign of a bad, disgusting human being. It's to the point of actual anger and violence directed toward the overweight in real life -- the fat are one of the last groups people can openly hate.
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In at least four states, we can legally hunt this man.
But now take any of those people and try using the same logic with their weaknesses:
"You're struggling to get by on your income? I can't imagine how lazy a person would have to be to not be wealthy. Just go out there and make money! Duh!"
"You don't have a girlfriend? I can't imagine how much of an antisocial **** you have to be to not get a beautiful woman to love you. How hard is it to get off your *kitten* and be a dynamic, sexy, personable human being?"
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"Seriously dude, just stop having a micropenis."
"You drink alcohol? Or smoke cigarettes? Or smoke pot? Why don't you try not doing those things?"
"You suffer from depression or anxiety? Uh, have you tried not?"
Now watch as they rattle off ten thousand extenuating circumstances for their embarrassing problem (the economy is bad, women are *****es, I have an addiction) while completely rejecting all of the similar causes of obesity.
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"My compulsive, life-shortening habit is completely different from overeating. Namely, it's much sexier."
The Science:
It's called the fundamental attribution error.
It's a universal thought process that says when other people screw up, it's because they're stupid or evil. But when we screw up, it's totally circumstantial. Like if you notice a coworker showing up to work high on mescaline, it's because he's an out-of-control peyote hound. But if you show up at work high on mescaline, it's because you had a flat tire and you needed the distraction.
The process feels so obvious when explained -- we simply lack information about the context in which the other person screwed up, and so we fill it in with our own. If we've never been fat, then we assume the fat guy feels the exact same level of hunger as we do, that his metabolism is the same, that his upbringing is the same, that the spare time and energy he can devote to exercise is the same as ours. We think that both of us faced the exact same fork in the road and only one of us chose to eat churros.
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About 40 of these a week for two years are all that separate you from that guy who had to be airlifted out of his living room.
The reality is, of course, that you were on completely different roads. The assumption that everyone's circumstances are identical is so plainly wrong as to be borderline insane, but everyone does it. Pundits and politicians alike mock the unemployed as lazy, even though their own data shows that for every five unemployed people, there is only one open job. "I don't understand, can't you all just become radio talk show hosts like me?"
So During Your Next Argument, Remember ...
Forget about talking politics with your crazy shop teacher for a second. If you're consistently doing this when arguing with your significant other, that's a good sign that the relationship is dying. Listen for it -- when you forgot to do the dishes, it was because you had a thousand other things on your mind. When she forgot, it's because she doesn't care. If you find yourself automatically dismissing your partner's explanations as "excuses," you've gone to a bad place from which most relationships do not return."
That right there was probably THE most insightful thing I've bothered to read in a long time \m/0 -
Im an awful person.0
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Im an awful person.
But you have a very nice clavicle (clavicles?). These two things simply do not go hand in hand.0 -
"Howard, you know me to be a very smart man. Don't you think that if I were wrong, I'd know it?" -- Dr. Sheldon Cooper0
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if anyone can ever say "I did NOTHING wrong" with a straight face at the end of a relationship, they deserve an award, because there is almost NO way a break up/split/divorce is 100% any one person's fault. It's just as much about the reaction as it is the action. This is not to say one person can't be more to blame, but certainly cannot be the only to blame. I've certainly had my fairshare of screw-ups and I'm sure there will be plenty more to come.
I can say it with a straight face.
On a completely unrelated note, I'm damned good at lying through my teeth.
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I'm not a nice person, most of the time.
I am judgmental, petty, sarcastic, and stuck-up just to name a few.0 -
How come no one ever thinks they're one of the bad ones?
Everyone ELSE is always "lazy" or "stupid" or "selfish" or "mean" or "wrong" or "hurtful" or whatever else. So, tell me...why aren't YOU ever the one who effed up? Or continuously effs up?
"Most people" claim that "most people" are ___insert negative adjective here___ and assume a position of superiority. I've never heard someone say, "Hey, my boyfriend and I broke up. Why? Because I'm a lazy, immature dirtbag who doesn't give a *kitten* about other people. Also, I'm a big-time moron. We're talking SUPER dumb."
I'm willing to bet that most people who think they're in the right, be it in personal or professional matters, are as much a part of the problem as, or more than, the person they're vilifying when they retell the story to their pitchfork and torch-weilding bandwagoneer friends.
I've certainly grown a lot in the last decade (I'm 27...so that sort of makes sense) but there have been plenty of times where I was the jack@ss in the equation. I'm sure there will be times like that in the future, even.
So...tell me, MFPals...when were YOU the bad guy?
I don't see being the "bad guy" as just being wrong. I think you or I can be the bad guy and be right. Thinking you are in the right can be confidence, arrogance, or assholence. Kinda depends on how you portray your thinking you are right. I have done all three.
I think language and word choice is important. I think we commonly put others on the defensive without even realizing it. For example, look at the opening of your original post. You ask why no one ever thinks they're the bad ones. You continue with "Everyone..." I know what you meant. But that language isn't really asking for discussion. It's asking for debate. Which is fine. But I think people are surprised by the reactions they get when they make sweeping generalizations. I see it all the time here, on Facebook, and socially.
RE: your post, I think what you may be getting at is accountability. Blame-share, right? I believe the amount of blame someone is willing to own is inversely proportional to how defensive or angry they feel at the time.I'm the opposite. I blame myself for everything.
Accurate accountability is a skill. We're not born with it (go ask a toddler why the plant was knocked over). It takes practice. Hopefully we get some guidance from our parents and later surround ourselves with friends that will call us on our BS. Despite the temptation to surround ourselves with people who will high five all the time, surrounding ourselves with people who will keep us accountable is the best way to learn accountability. When we don't have that, it increases the odds of becoming an ego-centric megalomaniac. I am convinced it's why sports stars who have been fawned over since high school can act like sociopaths. During their formative years and beyond, no one dared to say "Hey man, you might want to tone it down a notch, you're acting kinda like a jerk" because that friend might get kicked out of the inner circle.
I wish being told we're wrong wasn't weighted so heavily for some many people. I think as social human beings, we need to be told we're wrong. I think we need to learn how to navigate that. I think it's how we learn perspective, social norms, and how to present our ideas differently. This is why I'm a proponent of honest criticism on MFP (and any other online forum or social group I belong to).
Also important is how much weight I give to you accepting your own blame. In other words, if we have a conflict and we're both at fault, am I satisfied if we reconcile and I own my part in the conflict? Or do I also need you to own your part in the conflict to move forward? Even if I'm willing to accept my part in our conflict, if I can't move forward without you satisfying what I deem a worthy amount of blame acceptance, then I've got other issues.0 -
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Because self-deprecating in public usually results in someone disagreeing with you whether they know you or not.0
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I will openly admit that I am often a selfish witch.0
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I read an article about this on Cracked. There's science behind this, man.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19468_5-logical-fallacies-that-make-you-wrong-more-than-you-think_p2.html
That was a fantastic article!0 -
I'm not the bad one. I am always the victim of someone else's stupid actions. I am perfect, sweet, and do everything right the first time!! Its true, I swear!! My mom told me so!!0
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I'm an *kitten*, my man is not. That's all I have to say about that.0
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How come no one ever thinks they're one of the bad ones?
Everyone ELSE is always "lazy" or "stupid" or "selfish" or "mean" or "wrong" or "hurtful" or whatever else. So, tell me...why aren't YOU ever the one who effed up? Or continuously effs up?
"Most people" claim that "most people" are ___insert negative adjective here___ and assume a position of superiority. I've never heard someone say, "Hey, my boyfriend and I broke up. Why? Because I'm a lazy, immature dirtbag who doesn't give a *kitten* about other people. Also, I'm a big-time moron. We're talking SUPER dumb."
I'm willing to bet that most people who think they're in the right, be it in personal or professional matters, are as much a part of the problem as, or more than, the person they're vilifying when they retell the story to their pitchfork and torch-weilding bandwagoneer friends.
I've certainly grown a lot in the last decade (I'm 27...so that sort of makes sense) but there have been plenty of times where I was the jack@ss in the equation. I'm sure there will be times like that in the future, even.
So...tell me, MFPals...when were YOU the bad guy?
Some people, Like me, blame myself for everything. I usually always say I did this wrong or that wrong. even if there was no way I could have been the bad guy (drives my husband crazy) because I really beat myself up over it, I get mad and it takes me awhile to realize that not every situation problem or relationship I could control. And just because it turned out bad or what not does not mean that it was ALL my fault.Just thought I would share from the other perspective. Although I know a lot of people who let me take on all the responsibility of being the bad guy because they don't want to be.0 -
Meh, I think I'm the bad one often enough. I also try not to be the bad one as much as possible, and I try to forgive those who feel remorseful about being the bad one. We're all human. We all make mistakes. The trick is to know which mistakes not to make again!0
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I can think of dozens of situations where I was the one who messed up. I am very conscious of my own faults. I know when I'm being irritable, rude, etc. And I will make every effort to stop and apologize. Heck one time I remember saying something to a waiter at a restaurant that sounded sort of weird to me. I asked my wife if I came off rude and she said yes. When he came back I told him I was sorry and that I didn't intend for it to come off rude at all and that he was doing a great job for us.
I can admit when I'm wrong. I can apologize. I regularly reflect on myself and think about the changes I can make to improve who I am. So I don't think no one ever thinks they're the bad one...I do think though that if more people would admit their own faults the world would be much less frustrating.0 -
[I am a pretentious, sarcastic, and smarta**-ish brat. I am obnoxious on porpoise. I brag a lot. I am self-rituos when accused (if something is about 50% my fault, I can admit that, but if people accuse me of it being all my fault, I'll start saying that I did nothing wrong at all). I consider myself a lot better than almost everyone in the world. I know the world revolves around me (am egocentric), although I gave up on other people believing that a long time ago.] to people I know. I'm really nice to strangers. It's so weird... Anyone I don't know, I'll help, apologize, etc., but with people I know I just kind of assume they won't be insulted.0
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I'm one to admit when I'm wrong. In fact I just did that today. Guess I can be fairly snotty and crabby from time to time. But I'm also pretty groovy. You might find a small percentage of people who can admit their wrong. But everyone is wrong at some point or another. Yep.. I can't stand the ones who never admit it. Know ones perfect.0
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I'm one to admit when I'm wrong. In fact I just did that today. Guess I can be fairly snotty and crabby from time to time. But I'm also pretty groovy. You might find a small percentage of people who can admit their wrong. But everyone is wrong at some point or another. Yep.. I can't stand the ones who never admit it. Know ones perfect.
this has nothing to do with the topic, just had to say i lOVE your ticker!0 -
It doesn't ? Oh......:ohwell:
Thank You... I better read that better.0 -
This is so funny to me, I always laugh when someone is talking negatively about someone else. Typically because I can only imagine how they must fell about themselves to talk so harshley of others. Some people just need to do that to make them feel better about themselves. I guess being a psych nurse I just get that and let them be on their way.
Me on the other hand...I was raised by true hippy-esque parents who taught nothing but to love yourself and others and beyond all else ALWAYS be able to laugh at yourself. I'm proud of my "bad" points. You know what, alot of times I'm a lazy, self-centered, burping, farting, slurping my milkshake kinda girl. Yes, gross, but luckily I have an amazing husband who puts up with my *kitten*.0 -
I am frequently an *kitten*, and sometimes I do things wrong. I drive badly on occasion and I don't always have dinner on the stove when my husband comes home from a long day at work. But the hubby still loves me, and my boss still likes me, so I must be doing something right.0
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I seem to be the one that screws up on a daily basis in some form or another and the bad guy all the time. Just something I am use too!!0
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Pfffft!
I have been lazy, stupid, selfish, mean, wrong and hurtful.
I have also been sarcastic, moody, self important pompous @$$, @$$hole, jerk, son of a biotch and a frowny face.
There have been times I was accused of these things when I didn't do it.
If I start being nice people will expect it more.
I have also come to the realization that there is something about me that some people do not like. If I get that vibe I just leave them alone.
My problem is I am losing my layer of fat to hide behind.:bigsmile: But that is a good thing, so I guess it's not a problem.0
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