Herbal Magic?
rileygobot
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Who has tried it,
and what was your experiance with it like?
and what was your experiance with it like?
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Who has tried it,
and what was your experiance with it like?
What is it? Include a link.0 -
Who has tried it,
and what was your experiance with it like?
If you are willing to waste money, just send me money to my paypal account
Seriously, you really don t need this0 -
Who has tried it,
and what was your experiance with it like?
If you are willing to waste money, just send me money to my paypal account
Seriously, you really don t need this
What is a waste. It seems quite sound:
"The Herbal Magic program offers a combination of private one-on-one personal coaching, real food bought at your grocery store, and natural health products.[6][8] It has weight loss programs designed for women, men, diabetics (type I and II), youth, women who are planning to conceive, breastfeeding mothers, and those with diagnosed heart conditions. The programs are designed to help clients lose weight at an average rate of two pounds per week. There are three key phases to the program including:
Phase 1: Weight Loss. During this phase, a personal health coach reviews the client’s medical history and food journal as well as recommends a meal plan with natural health products to optimize healthy weight loss. Once the goal weight is reached, the client enters Phase 2.
Phase 2: Stabilization. In this phase, the client and personal health coach work together to increase the amount of food intake while maintaining the client’s goal weight.
Phase 3: Maintenance. The length of the maintenance phase varies for clients based on the amount of weight lost during the weight loss phase. This is the phase intended to ensure the weight is kept off for good.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_Magic0 -
Who has tried it,
and what was your experiance with it like?
If you are willing to waste money, just send me money to my paypal account
Seriously, you really don t need this
What is a waste. It seems quite sound:
"The Herbal Magic program offers a combination of private one-on-one personal coaching, real food bought at your grocery store, and natural health products.[6][8] It has weight loss programs designed for women, men, diabetics (type I and II), youth, women who are planning to conceive, breastfeeding mothers, and those with diagnosed heart conditions. The programs are designed to help clients lose weight at an average rate of two pounds per week. There are three key phases to the program including:
Phase 1: Weight Loss. During this phase, a personal health coach reviews the client’s medical history and food journal as well as recommends a meal plan with natural health products to optimize healthy weight loss. Once the goal weight is reached, the client enters Phase 2.
Phase 2: Stabilization. In this phase, the client and personal health coach work together to increase the amount of food intake while maintaining the client’s goal weight.
Phase 3: Maintenance. The length of the maintenance phase varies for clients based on the amount of weight lost during the weight loss phase. This is the phase intended to ensure the weight is kept off for good.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_Magic
Overpriced prepackaged meal service. Same principles apply. Calorie deficit. You can do do all that for free here on mfp.0 -
The name of it says it all.
"Herbal" - Anything marketed as herbal isn't going to be clinically proven. Anything not clinically proven is pretty much snake oil. Makers of herbal supplements don't even have to get approval from the FDA before putting their products on the market.
Herbal supplements are regulated by the FDA, but not as drugs or as foods.
More information: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/herbal-supplements/SA00044
"Magic" - It says one thing - it's a gimmick. Think of any product marketed with "magic" in the name. It's probably an as-seen-on-TV gimmick piece of junk, or a card game.0 -
Overpriced prepackaged meal service. Same principles apply. Calorie deficit. You can do do all that for free here on mfp.
Just buy Healthy Choice or Lean Cuisine and use MFP. Same concept, a million times cheaper.0 -
The name of it says it all.
"Herbal" - Anything marketed as herbal isn't going to be clinically proven. Anything not clinically proven is pretty much snake oil. Makers of herbal supplements don't even have to get approval from the FDA before putting their products on the market.
Herbal supplements are regulated by the FDA, but not as drugs or as foods.
More information: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/herbal-supplements/SA00044
"Magic" - It says one thing - it's a gimmick. Think of any product marketed with "magic" in the name. It's probably an as-seen-on-TV gimmick piece of junk, or a card game.
Not a very good name I admit. Herbal supplements can be very good in limited quantities. As long as they are not just pushing them for more profit. A lot of pharmaceuticals aren't clinically proven doesn't stop them being sold to the public, with FDA approval. More cases of mishaps with pharmaceuticals than herbals.0 -
Who has tried it,
and what was your experiance with it like?
If you are willing to waste money, just send me money to my paypal account
Seriously, you really don t need this
What is a waste. It seems quite sound:
"The Herbal Magic program offers a combination of private one-on-one personal coaching, real food bought at your grocery store, and natural health products.[6][8] It has weight loss programs designed for women, men, diabetics (type I and II), youth, women who are planning to conceive, breastfeeding mothers, and those with diagnosed heart conditions. The programs are designed to help clients lose weight at an average rate of two pounds per week. There are three key phases to the program including:
Phase 1: Weight Loss. During this phase, a personal health coach reviews the client’s medical history and food journal as well as recommends a meal plan with natural health products to optimize healthy weight loss. Once the goal weight is reached, the client enters Phase 2.
Phase 2: Stabilization. In this phase, the client and personal health coach work together to increase the amount of food intake while maintaining the client’s goal weight.
Phase 3: Maintenance. The length of the maintenance phase varies for clients based on the amount of weight lost during the weight loss phase. This is the phase intended to ensure the weight is kept off for good.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_Magic
Overpriced prepackaged meal service. Same principles apply. Calorie deficit. You can do do all that for free here on mfp.
Is it pre-packaged meals? It doesn't seem like it in the blurb above.0 -
Who has tried it,
and what was your experiance with it like?
If you are willing to waste money, just send me money to my paypal account
Seriously, you really don t need this
What is a waste. It seems quite sound:
"The Herbal Magic program offers a combination of private one-on-one personal coaching, real food bought at your grocery store, and natural health products.[6][8] It has weight loss programs designed for women, men, diabetics (type I and II), youth, women who are planning to conceive, breastfeeding mothers, and those with diagnosed heart conditions. The programs are designed to help clients lose weight at an average rate of two pounds per week. There are three key phases to the program including:
Phase 1: Weight Loss. During this phase, a personal health coach reviews the client’s medical history and food journal as well as recommends a meal plan with natural health products to optimize healthy weight loss. Once the goal weight is reached, the client enters Phase 2.
Phase 2: Stabilization. In this phase, the client and personal health coach work together to increase the amount of food intake while maintaining the client’s goal weight.
Phase 3: Maintenance. The length of the maintenance phase varies for clients based on the amount of weight lost during the weight loss phase. This is the phase intended to ensure the weight is kept off for good.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_Magic
For the sake of balance: from the same Wikipedia article:
"The February 5, 2010 episode of the investigative news program CBC Marketplace examined the health effects of Herbal Magic's optional supplement products. The program and its independent experts determined there was insufficient empirical evidence to convince them that the supplements facilitate weight loss. Accordingly, the documentary claimed it observed Herbal Magic salespeople using tactics that lead customers to overestimate the supplements' effectiveness. Marketplace also interpreted[17] Herbal Magic's practice of only telling customers the cost of the program after a free consultation[8] as disingenuous.[17] Herbal Magic CEO Fraser Clarke defended their sales practices, quoting "We see over 40,000 clients on an annual basis and we have a 91% satisfaction rate."[18]"0 -
Try Chef Paul Prudhommes' "Salmon Magic" Seasoning the next time you bake salmon.
Now THAT is truly magic.
Otherwise, just count your calories with MFP, eat healthy foods and exercise.0 -
@rileygobot I've not tried it so please take that into account but:
The principles of shopping locally and eating a good balanced diet are sound and this program may help you to do just that. You CAN achieve this with MFP alone, but if you want to get it right first time, feel you need some individual help, and have the money this may be great for you.
But, part of Herbal Magic's business plan seems to be to sell customers herbal supplements, intended (but not proven to) help with weight loss/control. I would suspect that there would be a hard sell to get your to purchase these additional products and that they would be marketed as "fat busters", "metabolism boosters", "appetite suppressants" and the like. Sales reps will show you "evidence" that people following their plan have had great successes, but remember they are eating mainly unprocessed foods, probably at a calorific value intended to lose weight AS WELL as the supplements: So, weight loss would be expected without the supplements.
Best wishes.0 -
I will agree that there is no magic weight loss pill. But I do disagree with your view on herbal. you may want to do a little research on that! I would much rather take anything that came straight from the earth then people who have altered things "clinically" I dont need a scientist that is getting paid by the very company that is testing the product to say its ok to put in my body!The name of it says it all.
"Herbal" - Anything marketed as herbal isn't going to be clinically proven. Anything not clinically proven is pretty much snake oil. Makers of herbal supplements don't even have to get approval from the FDA before putting their products on the market.
Herbal supplements are regulated by the FDA, but not as drugs or as foods.
More information: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/herbal-supplements/SA00044
"Magic" - It says one thing - it's a gimmick. Think of any product marketed with "magic" in the name. It's probably an as-seen-on-TV gimmick piece of junk, or a card game.0 -
The name of it says it all.
"Herbal" - Anything marketed as herbal isn't going to be clinically proven. Anything not clinically proven is pretty much snake oil. Makers of herbal supplements don't even have to get approval from the FDA before putting their products on the market.
My my, the simplicity and finality of these statements. But this is how most Americans feel. Most people have no concept of the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars it takes to get products through clinical trials, and how many smaller companies (with extremely valid products) simply can not afford this. (But who can afford this? Huge drug companies- which are not in business of making people well, but merely keeping them sick, because if they actually cured their clients, where is their business?) And many people look at the FDA as some sort of saint-hood, set in place for the good of the people. This couldn't be further from the truth. The board of the FDA has several members with affiliations with Big Business corporations like Kraft Foods and Bristol-Meyers Squibb Pharmaceutics. Obviously they've got LONG POCKETS to fund FDA approvals.
I'm not saying all herbal supplements are worthwhile, but I am saying that FDA approval shouldn't be your hallmark or gold standard for using a product because the FDA, much like ALL branches of government and drug corporations, has its own agenda to promote and it certainly has nothing to do with what is truly healthy for Americans.0 -
I will agree that there is no magic weight loss pill. But I do disagree with your view on herbal. you may want to do a little research on that! I would much rather take anything that came straight from the earth then people who have altered things "clinically" I dont need a scientist that is getting paid by the very company that is testing the product to say its ok to put in my body!The name of it says it all.
"Herbal" - Anything marketed as herbal isn't going to be clinically proven. Anything not clinically proven is pretty much snake oil. Makers of herbal supplements don't even have to get approval from the FDA before putting their products on the market.
Herbal supplements are regulated by the FDA, but not as drugs or as foods.
More information: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/herbal-supplements/SA00044
"Magic" - It says one thing - it's a gimmick. Think of any product marketed with "magic" in the name. It's probably an as-seen-on-TV gimmick piece of junk, or a card game.
Many things that are natural and/or grow in the ground are toxic, many things that are created in chemical plants or laboratories are very safe.
You don't alter things "clinically", you treat things or people in a clinic or you perform a trial (to demonstrate efficacy/safety/effectiveness.
You " dont need a scientist that is getting paid by the very company that is testing the product to say its ok to put in my body!" but this is not usually the case. The FDA scientific teams in the US (MRHA in the UK) are not paid by the manufacturers or suppliers (despite what conspiracy theorists say). For herbal preparations there is often no testing at all.
So question: if you don't trust "scientists" to tell you what is safe and what is not, who do you trust? The person selling you something, your friend, some random internet guy?0 -
I trust the research that I do myself and a herbal doctor that cares less if he sells me anything! point blank, the fda is crooked like other govt programs! there is a few things that are good but in the end they are a business! instead of arguing about it, I suggest you spend a little time on it!
I will agree that there is no magic weight loss pill. But I do disagree with your view on herbal. you may want to do a little research on that! I would much rather take anything that came straight from the earth then people who have altered things "clinically" I dont need a scientist that is getting paid by the very company that is testing the product to say its ok to put in my body!The name of it says it all.
"Herbal" - Anything marketed as herbal isn't going to be clinically proven. Anything not clinically proven is pretty much snake oil. Makers of herbal supplements don't even have to get approval from the FDA before putting their products on the market.
Herbal supplements are regulated by the FDA, but not as drugs or as foods.
More information: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/herbal-supplements/SA00044
"Magic" - It says one thing - it's a gimmick. Think of any product marketed with "magic" in the name. It's probably an as-seen-on-TV gimmick piece of junk, or a card game.
Many things that are natural and/or grow in the ground are toxic, many things that are created in chemical plants or laboratories are very safe.
You don't alter things "clinically", you treat things or people in a clinic or you perform a trial (to demonstrate efficacy/safety/effectiveness.
You " dont need a scientist that is getting paid by the very company that is testing the product to say its ok to put in my body!" but this is not usually the case. The FDA scientific teams in the US (MRHA in the UK) are not paid by the manufacturers or suppliers (despite what conspiracy theorists say). For herbal preparations there is often no testing at all.
So question: if you don't trust "scientists" to tell you what is safe and what is not, who do you trust? The person selling you something, your friend, some random internet guy?0 -
and I know it REALLY frustrates people when you add commen sense to things, but..... 1st off obesity is a growing problem due to fda approved foods, cancer is on the rise due to fda approved foods as well as the side effects of fda meds, many of the fda approved drugs cause more problems then what they help. And 1 final note, what has the fda approved that is a cure for anything? like lets see, cancer? nothing? come on, they have BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars but cant find the cure, yet when people find a cure they squish them like a bug! my wife is a living, walking breathing proof of this! beat cancer with this bs "herbal" stuff that is not fda approved
I trust the research that I do myself and a herbal doctor that cares less if he sells me anything! point blank, the fda is crooked like other govt programs! there is a few things that are good but in the end they are a business! instead of arguing about it, I suggest you spend a little time on it!
I will agree that there is no magic weight loss pill. But I do disagree with your view on herbal. you may want to do a little research on that! I would much rather take anything that came straight from the earth then people who have altered things "clinically" I dont need a scientist that is getting paid by the very company that is testing the product to say its ok to put in my body!The name of it says it all.
"Herbal" - Anything marketed as herbal isn't going to be clinically proven. Anything not clinically proven is pretty much snake oil. Makers of herbal supplements don't even have to get approval from the FDA before putting their products on the market.
Herbal supplements are regulated by the FDA, but not as drugs or as foods.
More information: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/herbal-supplements/SA00044
"Magic" - It says one thing - it's a gimmick. Think of any product marketed with "magic" in the name. It's probably an as-seen-on-TV gimmick piece of junk, or a card game.
Many things that are natural and/or grow in the ground are toxic, many things that are created in chemical plants or laboratories are very safe.
You don't alter things "clinically", you treat things or people in a clinic or you perform a trial (to demonstrate efficacy/safety/effectiveness.
You " dont need a scientist that is getting paid by the very company that is testing the product to say its ok to put in my body!" but this is not usually the case. The FDA scientific teams in the US (MRHA in the UK) are not paid by the manufacturers or suppliers (despite what conspiracy theorists say). For herbal preparations there is often no testing at all.
So question: if you don't trust "scientists" to tell you what is safe and what is not, who do you trust? The person selling you something, your friend, some random internet guy?0 -
I did herbal magic for 6 months. I did lose weight however its extremly pricey. They make all there money when you buy the supplements. The location I attended actually wouldn't work with you unless you used supplements because otherwise you weren't truely doing the program. The calorie count was 900 a day. When i brought this up with the manager she got annoyed with me, even though i was having problems being light headed through the whole program.
The cost was about $300 plus a month. The other frustrating part was there employees have no training. They will tell you they do however I asked the girls in my location. None of them had any back round in nutrition and followed the same book I followed.
I ended up discontinuing the program and was really disappointed in everything they promised. I would never do the program again and would highly recommend another alternative.0 -
Huge drug companies- which are not in business of making people well, but merely keeping them sick, because if they actually cured their clients, where is their business?
You actually believe this????0 -
I did herbal magic for 6 months. I did lose weight however its extremly pricey. They make all there money when you buy the supplements. The location I attended actually wouldn't work with you unless you used supplements because otherwise you weren't truely doing the program. The calorie count was 900 a day. When i brought this up with the manager she got annoyed with me, even though i was having problems being light headed through the whole program.
The cost was about $300 plus a month. The other frustrating part was there employees have no training. They will tell you they do however I asked the girls in my location. None of them had any back round in nutrition and followed the same book I followed.
I ended up discontinuing the program and was really disappointed in everything they promised. I would never do the program again and would highly recommend another alternative.
Doesn't sound good at all. $300 plus a month definitely too much. I would rather just stick to my own plan and take a good multi vitamin and mineral plus fish oil.0 -
I do!....you dont? name something they have cured?Huge drug companies- which are not in business of making people well, but merely keeping them sick, because if they actually cured their clients, where is their business?
You actually believe this????0 -
You mean like yohimbe???0
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I do!....you dont? name something they have cured?Huge drug companies- which are not in business of making people well, but merely keeping them sick, because if they actually cured their clients, where is their business?
You actually believe this????
Beta blockers are keeping millions of people alive, Anesthetics seem to do a pretty good job, testicular cancer is now treatable with drug therapy rather than castration. I only mention these because I was involved in the registration of these types of drugs with the world wisde health authorities and I can assure you that for these submissions there was no payment to the FDA or even a "cosy" relationship. The FDA were tough, hard, and often very, very demanding of me and my colleagues. I've also had the dubious pleasure of an FDA inspection at the company I worked. It was frightening, their level of professionalism was only surpassed by their dogged refusal to accept glib answers: They dug, and dug until they could go no further or had exposed a problem.0 -
I did herbal magic for 6 months. I did lose weight however its extremly pricey. They make all there money when you buy the supplements. The location I attended actually wouldn't work with you unless you used supplements because otherwise you weren't truely doing the program. The calorie count was 900 a day. When i brought this up with the manager she got annoyed with me, even though i was having problems being light headed through the whole program.
The cost was about $300 plus a month. The other frustrating part was there employees have no training. They will tell you they do however I asked the girls in my location. None of them had any back round in nutrition and followed the same book I followed.
I ended up discontinuing the program and was really disappointed in everything they promised. I would never do the program again and would highly recommend another alternative.
I second this.
I did herbal magic through recomendation of a friend. She was very successful with it at the time (she has gained most if not all of it back after)
It was incredibly expensive. You have to weigh in every other day or so. The average calorie count for me was 1100-1200 per day. The "herbal" vitamins made me feel sick and I ended up at the emergency room with numbness in my face and left arm/side. I then decided to quit the program, they did not refund the money (or balance remaining)
The employees had little to no training. Could not explain the vitamins. Plus I had one of them tell me that perhaps I wasnt losing weight (that weigh in) cause I had eaten a banana the previous day and a banana was a heavy fruit ....wtf?
All in all I can honestly say you can do better on your own, If you really need support, or a group perhaps look into WW or something similar. Although they may push their products alot you dont have to buy them or be on them to participate.0 -
It's incredibly expensive weight loss pills basically. You buy their "vitamins" and "suppliments" and eat a lot less food.
You can get the same results elsewhere that would be much healthier for you. Everyone I know that has done Herbal Magic has gained the weight back they lost or ran into health issues iwth the vitamins, suppliments and the rate of loss.0 -
I did it years ago, for the 2nd time, with the first being in the late 90's. I lost weight easily on it both times because one of the supplements you take is an awesome appetite suppressant, Unfortunately I never learned anything longterm and here I am, with almost all of the weight back but keeping my money this time!0
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It seems that some of you are quite confused about what the FDA does. They are a regulatory agency, they regulate and enforce safety requirements for drugs and food. They don't develop drugs and medical technology, that's where pharmaceutical companies and the NIH and all the hospitals and universities doing research all over the world come in. Use your brains.0
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"When combined with changes to diet and exercise", anything works. Or nothing at all usually works just as well, as long as you combine that nothing with changes to diet and exercise.
This sounds like some trainers (over the phone I assume) giving the same generic advice this site will give you, combined with some supplements and maybe a stimulant or two to assist with the weight loss. All in all, not necessarily a BAD program, but MFP really offers everything but the supplements, and you don't need those to lose weight.
About the only thing they offer is assistance with a meal plan, and a few well-spent minutes in the recipes section of the forum will give you some interesting ideas to start with.
If you want to learn to lose weight and keep it off, you need to learn to eat.
I've worked with over-the-phone health coaches before (we're required to here at work or they charge us more for health insurance), and some of them are well-informed. I respectfully decline to express an opinion on some of the others because momma taught me if you can't say anything nice...
I'd stick with MFP's tools for a while and see how things work. It's free.0 -
I can honestly say you can do better on your own, If you really need support, or a group perhaps look into WW or something similar. Although they may push their products alot you dont have to buy them or be on them to participate.
^^^ This. For all that I like to bash Weight Watchers for their silly and confusing "points", their food recommendations are actually pretty reasonable other than a few things like not counting fruit.
I'd just urge you, if you use WW, to also track your food here so you start learning about less mystified ways of measuring food, like calories, fat, carbohydrates, and protein. That way, when you're done with the group support you get from WW, you can continue with a reasonable eating plan to continue to lose (or maintain your loss of) weight without having to pay monthly fees to access the latest "points" generator.0 -
:smokin:
Oh wait--wrong thread...:blushing:0 -
The name of it says it all.
"Herbal" - Anything marketed as herbal isn't going to be clinically proven. Anything not clinically proven is pretty much snake oil. Makers of herbal supplements don't even have to get approval from the FDA before putting their products on the market.
FDA is a BIG joke! It's very corrupted. So many ''FDA approved'' preservatives and fillings are super toxic for the health.0
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