If low carb works, why are people still fat?

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  • imchicbad
    imchicbad Posts: 1,650 Member
    If dieting or exercise works, why are people still fat ?

    diet and exercise work...its the fat people that "dont work" (no offense to anyone who puts in work), and you can low carb all day long, yes you will lose weight, but once you get sick of the same food, and get high cholesteral from all the meat and clogged arteries etc....well like any other fad diet or 'miracle pill" for the lazy who dont want to put in work- it will eventually fail. You have to be realistics with your food and life.
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member
    If dieting or exercise works, why are people still fat ?

    diet and exercise work...its the fat people that "dont work" (no offense to anyone who puts in work), and you can low carb all day long, yes you will lose weight, but once you get sick of the same food, and get high cholesteral from all the meat and clogged arteries etc....well like any other fad diet or 'miracle pill" for the lazy who dont want to put in work- it will eventually fail. You have to be realistics with your food and life.

    Don't forget kidney issues from long-term low carb diets.
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member
    For those of you that missed it, check out the recent film series 'The Weight of the Nation'

    You can watch it here:

    http://theweightofthenation.hbo.com/
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    To quote a coworker that did Atkins for years "Youll really lose weight fast but low carb eating is not sustainable long term". And thats why I dont do low carb.

    disagree

    where is the rule or law that says you cant do low carb forever? what if you HAVE to do low carb or be sick all the time?

    this attitude is just an excuse. No one is going to force you to eat carbs or anything. It is marketing, television and too much brain washing that says you have to eat a bunch of carbs.
  • Bobby_Clerici
    Bobby_Clerici Posts: 1,828 Member
    I am not a low carb pusher, but this article is not balanced.
    The reason people are fat is always the same thing.
    We eat to much and are too lazy to exercise.

    Let's not make rocket science out of what is simple...:bigsmile:
  • HisPathDaily
    HisPathDaily Posts: 672 Member
    It's a wish for an easy solution. "If I can just change my diet, eat 40 pounds of bacon a day, but skip the snickers, I'll be healthy!" It takes work. Are there some great tips that can come out of this research? Sure. It's been interesting to see some of the info about fat processing, carb effects, alcohol, etc. I think it's good information to create for yourself a good, educated, and balanced diet.

    I subscribe to a really fad diet: Run more / Eat Healthy
    Hopefully in a year I'll upgrade to the 2013 version: Continue Running / Continue Eating Healthy

    People don't seem to argue about what is healthy, they seem to argue about what is perfect. Can we just agree that perhaps healthy is a little subjective? If I make a nice turkey sandwich on my homemade wheat bread, I don't need the carb police to tell me I'm eating unhealthy. I think that's a pretty good choice over a Big Mac ...

    Patient: The problem is obesity runs in my family.
    Doctor: The problem is that nobody runs in your family.
  • HisPathDaily
    HisPathDaily Posts: 672 Member
    Exactly ... I'm sure we all have our own opinions on what may be better, what works better for us ... but it really isn't that complicated.
    Let's not make rocket science out of what is simple
  • BeingWiser
    BeingWiser Posts: 65
    Whatever type of diet you follow, at the end of the day it is still boils down to calories in - calories out = weight loss or gain. It doesn't matter whether you go low carb or low fat but if you're eating more than you burn then you will still gain weight. There is no magic diet that will instantly make you slimmer while at the same time eating as much as you want. If it were true then everyone would be slim & toned.

    THIS!
  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member
    Information about Mr. Atkins's death. He was obese when he died according to the weight on his death certificate.

    http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/atkins.asp
  • mebshipp
    mebshipp Posts: 1
    I totally agree!
  • This was entertaining to say the least.

    I love how everyone is dead set on being the obesity genius. There is not one single solution that will work for everyone across the board. Low carb works for some and low carb doesnt work for others.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    This was entertaining to say the least.

    I love how everyone is dead set on being the obesity genius. There is not one single solution that will work for everyone across the board. Low carb works for some and low carb doesnt work for others.

    Yes there is, it's called a calorie deficit
  • This was entertaining to say the least.

    I love how everyone is dead set on being the obesity genius. There is not one single solution that will work for everyone across the board. Low carb works for some and low carb doesnt work for others.

    Yes there is, it's called a calorie deficit

    Agreed although my "deficits" are failing me.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    There's also growing evidence that humans in general can't handle gluten very well (ie - that gluten intolerance isn't nearly as rare as once believed), and that a good portion of the population may actually have subclinical intolerance to it, which has often been linked to a host of non-descript problems (part of what makes it so difficult to diagnose), which can directly and indirectly lead to weight gain and/or difficulty losing weight.

    Where is this growing evidence??

    I'm not at all sure that's true, but even if it were, not all grains contain gluten so it would not be a reason to cut out grains completely.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1373929/

    http://kalishresearch.com/a_gluten.html
    Specifically:
    Gluten intolerance has a genetic basis, meaning it passes from generation to generation. Gluten intolerance is found most frequently in those with Irish, English, Scottish, Scandinavian, and other Northern European and Eastern European heritages. The research study published in the British Medical Journal in November of 1998 found previously unheard numbers of people suffering from celiac disease, the medical condition related to gluten intolerance. They found approximately one in 150 people with this condition. It is suspected the levels of sub-clinical gluten intolerance are much higher, perhaps as high as one in three Americans.

    One study is "growing evidence"? I suppose that is growth from zero, so I stand corrected.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Though, really, part of the success of LCD is that it's damn hard to eat tons of calories when you're just eating proteins and fats . Built in calorie deficit.

    In equal amounts, fat has more than twice the calories of carbs. Why would it be harder to go over on calories with fats than with carbs? Fats are my downfall in calories. If I ate low fat I could eat much more volume than I do now.
  • tzeoli86
    tzeoli86 Posts: 75 Member
    bump
  • sweetsarahj
    sweetsarahj Posts: 701 Member
    Low carb diets really grind my gears. Im pretty sure this thread has the potential to start a war.

    Ever tried it? Or slamming it without trying first?
  • xarge
    xarge Posts: 484 Member
    I am not a low carb pusher, but this article is not balanced.
    The reason people are fat is always the same thing.
    We eat to much and are too lazy to exercise.

    Let's not make rocket science out of what is simple...:bigsmile:

    Well said.
  • AlabasterVerve
    AlabasterVerve Posts: 3,171 Member
    I didn't say I'd never been overweight, I said I'd never been obese. They are different. But you are correct that I've never been a binge eater. I've never felt out of control with food.

    Just because someone has never been obese, or even overweight, doesn't mean they don't know about will power. In fact, it's arguable that they know much more about it than someone who has let their weight get out of control because they've been using will power all their life to prevent getting fat.
    I wasn't questioning your will power I was responding to your statement, "This is a pretty ridiculous post. Why would a low carb diet take less will power than any other diet?"
  • sweetsarahj
    sweetsarahj Posts: 701 Member
    This was entertaining to say the least.

    I love how everyone is dead set on being the obesity genius. There is not one single solution that will work for everyone across the board. Low carb works for some and low carb doesnt work for others.

    Agreed. I do believe some people are more sensitive to carbs than others.
  • nikinyx6
    nikinyx6 Posts: 772 Member
    If dieting or exercise works, why are people still fat ?

    Probably because they aren't dieting and exercising properly...
  • DonniesGirl69
    DonniesGirl69 Posts: 644 Member
    Silly debate. Depends on the person and their level of activity, period.

    I started out low carb and low impact exercise. Then I started running so, I HAD to add in more carbs for fuel.

    Everyone is different and the same thing doesn't work for everyone.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    There's also growing evidence that humans in general can't handle gluten very well (ie - that gluten intolerance isn't nearly as rare as once believed), and that a good portion of the population may actually have subclinical intolerance to it, which has often been linked to a host of non-descript problems (part of what makes it so difficult to diagnose), which can directly and indirectly lead to weight gain and/or difficulty losing weight.

    Where is this growing evidence??

    I'm not at all sure that's true, but even if it were, not all grains contain gluten so it would not be a reason to cut out grains completely.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1373929/

    http://kalishresearch.com/a_gluten.html
    Specifically:
    Gluten intolerance has a genetic basis, meaning it passes from generation to generation. Gluten intolerance is found most frequently in those with Irish, English, Scottish, Scandinavian, and other Northern European and Eastern European heritages. The research study published in the British Medical Journal in November of 1998 found previously unheard numbers of people suffering from celiac disease, the medical condition related to gluten intolerance. They found approximately one in 150 people with this condition. It is suspected the levels of sub-clinical gluten intolerance are much higher, perhaps as high as one in three Americans.

    One study is "growing evidence"? I suppose that is growth from zero, so I stand corrected.

    Lol of course that author didn't reference the actual study, but here

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC28710/

    Which was based on this one

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8783763
  • Divagettinfitin2011
    Divagettinfitin2011 Posts: 500 Member
    Bump!
  • Kara_xxx
    Kara_xxx Posts: 635 Member
    Patient: The problem is obesity runs in my family.
    Doctor: The problem is that nobody runs in your family.

    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    There's also growing evidence that humans in general can't handle gluten very well (ie - that gluten intolerance isn't nearly as rare as once believed), and that a good portion of the population may actually have subclinical intolerance to it, which has often been linked to a host of non-descript problems (part of what makes it so difficult to diagnose), which can directly and indirectly lead to weight gain and/or difficulty losing weight.

    Where is this growing evidence??

    I'm not at all sure that's true, but even if it were, not all grains contain gluten so it would not be a reason to cut out grains completely.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1373929/

    http://kalishresearch.com/a_gluten.html
    Specifically:
    Gluten intolerance has a genetic basis, meaning it passes from generation to generation. Gluten intolerance is found most frequently in those with Irish, English, Scottish, Scandinavian, and other Northern European and Eastern European heritages. The research study published in the British Medical Journal in November of 1998 found previously unheard numbers of people suffering from celiac disease, the medical condition related to gluten intolerance. They found approximately one in 150 people with this condition. It is suspected the levels of sub-clinical gluten intolerance are much higher, perhaps as high as one in three Americans.

    One study is "growing evidence"? I suppose that is growth from zero, so I stand corrected.

    I linked to a couple of studies as an example to get you started. If you would like more, feel free to look up "subclinical gluten intolerance" or "subclinical gluten insensitivity." You're also welcome to dig further into the increased numbers of Celiac and gluten intolerance diagnoses thanks to new levels of screening (which has helped to diagnose the people who aren't experiencing the more extreme symptoms).
  • Phaedra2014
    Phaedra2014 Posts: 1,254 Member
    I wouldn't say my diet is low carb but it is MUCH lower in carbs than it used to be and I am pleased with the results.
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Though, really, part of the success of LCD is that it's damn hard to eat tons of calories when you're just eating proteins and fats . Built in calorie deficit.

    In equal amounts, fat has more than twice the calories of carbs. Why would it be harder to go over on calories with fats than with carbs? Fats are my downfall in calories. If I ate low fat I could eat much more volume than I do now.

    Fat is purported to make you feel full easier/quicker, and because it doesn't have the glucose dump into the blood stream, you don't get the effects of elevated-then-decreasing blood sugar levels that you get with carbs (in other words - your blood glucose levels are more stable). So, you don't feel hungry, or start getting shaky, dizzy, or lethargic after a couple of hours after eating. So, while the same volume of food in a given meal might equate to more calories, and even if you ate the same volume (which, if you feel full quicker, you might not eat the same volume), you don't feel the need to eat as frequently throughout the day, and instead of eating, say, 5 times per day, you might eat 2 or 3 times, which can result in a net reduction of calorie consumption.
  • EDesq
    EDesq Posts: 1,527 Member
    If ANY DIET worked, people would not still be obese in this Country. A TRUE Lifestyle Change USING MODERATION, HEALTHIER FOOD and Beverage Choices, Moderate Exercise and PATIENCE WILL WORK. I Guarantee IT!!! If what you are doing is NOT SUSTAINABLE for Life with some Tweaking as you go through Life Phases...then it's a FAD, whether food or exercise!!!

    There is NO magic to Weight loss, maintenance, good health... See Above^^^ EVERYTHING ELSE is a FAD>>>Low Carb, Eat Clean, Eat More to Weigh Less, HGH, ... Jillian Michael Work Outs, P90x, Running (especially on concrete or asphalt), any Extreme workout...
  • tryinghard71
    tryinghard71 Posts: 593
    If dieting or exercise works, why are people still fat ?

    Because human beings are falliable (and sometimes very deluded) and either underestimate how many calories they are consuming through diet, over estimate how many calories they are burning through activity or a combination of both.

    Low carb does play well for many people but that is because in many instances they replace carbs with increased protein and fat. These both are good for satiety and stabilising blood sugar levels leading to less cravings, less over eating and spontaneously eating less calories than your TDEE. Coupled with the nice psychological boost that low carb dieting gives in the early stages given improved appearance caused mostly by water loss this leads to good dietary adherence.

    Low carb stops working when the dieter takes it to mean "a can shovel as much food and utter junk down my gullet than is humanely possible as long as it is not carbs" thus meaning they consistently exceed their TDEE.

    Low carb "blame it on inshuuuuulin but lets ignore everything else involved including ASP" is the new dogma which has replaced low fat. It is just as misguided.

    Great answer!