How fast do women put on muscle?

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  • chrishgt4
    chrishgt4 Posts: 1,222 Member
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    Any trainee regarless of gender builds muscle by working at max effort in a reasonable rep range preferably at the proper frequency and volume for their training level\recovery ability (if they are too far outisde of this they may actually NOT get results)adding weight and\or reps while eating a surplus. Of course it eventually gets more complicated with periodization and stalls\resets\deloading etc. but anyway...

    @OP

    Bet you didn't know your thread would be so full of win when you created it did you?

    Nope I sure didn't.... Nor did I expect so many smart A** remarks from people. I'm not joining a gym, I'm not trying to be as strong as womanly possible I just wanted to know if gaining muscle took a long time... All I want to do is tone up.

    I think any comments that you have taken as smart *kitten*, perhaps aren't, but are just blunt.

    However, questions like this come up very often because people don't seem to realise how slow a process gaining muscle is, whether you are a man or a woman.

    You asked about the little pink weights - those are all but useless...in fact scratch that - they are less than useless...

    I think sometimes it doesn't matter how many times it is said, people don't take certain things in until they experience them and have that- 'oh my god!' moment.

    Those sorts of 'womens exercise' dvd workouts take advantage of the fact that a lot of women believe that they can put on muscle in a matter of days and will end up looking like a man.

    This is not the case - men have the hormones to build muscle a lot more easily than women, and yet it is a damn hard slog for us. It takes a massive amount of effort and dedication, and even then is sloooowwwww..........

    It is good that you are looking at actually doing weights as opposed to sticking with purely cardio, but those dvds and baby weights are practically pointless.

    You should have a look at new rules of lifting for women and get a good plan where you are lifting such weight that you can only manage between 8 and 12 reps before failure. (Failure being that you physically can't move that weight one more time).

    That is how to work out the right weight for you.

    If you can't afford weight, then that is fine, there are things you can do with bodyweight that can be effective and there are many many mannnny routines that you can google.

    No. I think she's right on. But, apparently, some people, like you, are confusing frankness with rudeness. I checked the OP and there is no mention of "little pink weights." The OP asked about 5lb. and 8lb. weights. Using terms like "little pink weights" and "baby weights" is condescending, snide, and sexist. The truth is that light weights are perfectly fine for some people and in using them they will get leaner, feel stronger, and eventually they may want to heavy up. But that's their choice, not yours. And it's a perfectly valid choice, completely undeserving of the scorn and ridicule the "heavy lifters" often resort to.

    And, FTR, I have 5lb. and 8lb. weights and neither set is pink. One is black and the other is blue. I guess that means they're meant for men.

    Ok, first and foremost - I took some time to write a post that gave good information, so please get off of your high horse and if you feel some of what i said was negative, please focus on the positive. Don't get arsey at people who are trying to help. That is just rude.

    Secondly - Sometimes things need to be said in a certain way to try and make your point.

    Thirdly - I don't care what colour they are, fact is they are useless. No one ever got stronger from using them. Also - they are a waste of money given that they are fixed weight. There is so little range in weights that they cannot possibly accommodate the range of weights one needs when working a whole body.

    Screw anyone who focuses on how something was said and not the content when that person was answering the question with genuine information.
  • m60kaf
    m60kaf Posts: 421 Member
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    Any trainee regarless of gender builds muscle by working at max effort in a reasonable rep range preferably at the proper frequency and volume for their training level\recovery ability (if they are too far outisde of this they may actually NOT get results)adding weight and\or reps while eating a surplus. Of course it eventually gets more complicated with periodization and stalls\resets\deloading etc. but anyway...

    @OP

    Bet you didn't know your thread would be so full of win when you created it did you?

    Nope I sure didn't.... Nor did I expect so many smart A** remarks from people. I'm not joining a gym, I'm not trying to be as strong as womanly possible I just wanted to know if gaining muscle took a long time... All I want to do is tone up.

    I think any comments that you have taken as smart *kitten*, perhaps aren't, but are just blunt.

    However, questions like this come up very often because people don't seem to realise how slow a process gaining muscle is, whether you are a man or a woman.

    You asked about the little pink weights - those are all but useless...in fact scratch that - they are less than useless...

    I think sometimes it doesn't matter how many times it is said, people don't take certain things in until they experience them and have that- 'oh my god!' moment.

    Those sorts of 'womens exercise' dvd workouts take advantage of the fact that a lot of women believe that they can put on muscle in a matter of days and will end up looking like a man.

    This is not the case - men have the hormones to build muscle a lot more easily than women, and yet it is a damn hard slog for us. It takes a massive amount of effort and dedication, and even then is sloooowwwww..........

    It is good that you are looking at actually doing weights as opposed to sticking with purely cardio, but those dvds and baby weights are practically pointless.

    You should have a look at new rules of lifting for women and get a good plan where you are lifting such weight that you can only manage between 8 and 12 reps before failure. (Failure being that you physically can't move that weight one more time).

    That is how to work out the right weight for you.

    If you can't afford weight, then that is fine, there are things you can do with bodyweight that can be effective and there are many many mannnny routines that you can google.

    No. I think she's right on. But, apparently, some people, like you, are confusing frankness with rudeness. I checked the OP and there is no mention of "little pink weights." The OP asked about 5lb. and 8lb. weights. Using terms like "little pink weights" and "baby weights" is condescending, snide, and sexist. The truth is that light weights are perfectly fine for some people and in using them they will get leaner, feel stronger, and eventually they may want to heavy up. But that's their choice, not yours. And it's a perfectly valid choice, completely undeserving of the scorn and ridicule the "heavy lifters" often resort to.

    And, FTR, I have 5lb. and 8lb. weights and neither set is pink. One is black and the other is blue. I guess that means they're meant for men.

    hmmmm - I look at the profile pictures of people who are advocating higher weights and ask myself, "hmmmm who looks like they know about weights"

    Come on admit it you sell little 2lb pink weights don't you - the only possibility can be that you have some vested interest in talking rubbish
  • zenchild
    zenchild Posts: 680 Member
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    I have 6 JM DVDs. I've been doing two levels a day (about an hour), 6 days a week since April. My calves are fantastic. They are much more defined. I have a brand-new hard bulgy spot on the backs of my lower thighs. My thighs are smaller and I can feel more muscle under the (shrinking) layer of fat. The pudge around my middle is moving. Instead of an all-around spare tire I now have love handles and a bit in the middle. The space between each handle and the middle is concave (!!!) and the bits above and below the middle are hard and flat. There's even a line going all the way down the center. My upper arms are much firmer when relaxed and I have a noticeable bicep when I flex.
    I'm netting around 1200 calories a day. I make sure to get plenty of protein and fiber. I drink tea and water throughout the day. I am getting stronger. My muscles can do things they couldn't do in April. I'm doing real push-ups now. I can go all the way down in squats and do the entire set. I've also lost 12 pounds.
    There are plenty of people who will say I'm doing it wrong. But really, my muscles are bigger and my belly is smaller. I'd say I'm doing just fine.

    AWESOME! Thatnk you!! This is what I am wanting to do- rotate her dvds for a total body workout but changing up the workouts so my body doesn't plateau! What dvds do you have and what order do you do them in?

    I have 30 Day Shred, Ripped in 30, Kickbox FastFix, 6 Week 6 Pack, Extreme Shed and Shred and Killer Buns and Thighs. 4 days a week I do a level of one of the harder DVDs (ES&S, 6W6P, KB&T) plus a level of one of the less hard ones (30DS, RI30, KBFF). That gives me about an hour. I try to pair the hard levels of the harder DVDs with the easier levels of the less hard ones and vice versa. On Wednesdays I just do one of the harder DVDs. That's the day my husband and I discuss anything that needs discussing (business, family, etc.). One Saturday or Sunday I do 2 levels of the harder DVDs and work for an hour to an hour and a half. I rest one day a week.
    6W6P is starting to get easy so I think I'll be replacing it with something harder in the next month or so and moving it to the "less hard" group.
  • hesn92
    hesn92 Posts: 5,967 Member
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    I love that the people insisting that everyone is different because of body type, metabolism etc are the very ones saying you MUST use heavy weights. ;)

    thats because the sentence you say after what I quoted is wrong.

    if anything women need to follow bodybuilding/strongman/etc advice MORE strictly then men... because they dont have the hormonal benefit helping them.

    think about it.. its HARDER for women to make muscle.... for the best results, they should be following the best advice possible...

    but whatever. :)

    I totally agree. I am actually TRYING to bulk up and it's going nowhere fast.
  • DfantaBeneFIT
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    Biggest mistake women make when trying to add good weight is being afraid of calories. I took me 4 years to build the muscle i have today and i was able to do it simply because i was never afraid of slamming the calories needed to do so. I of course was still very active and kept my macros pretty protein dominant. you WILL NOT gain weight on a 1500 calorie diet doing 2 hours of cardio a day. Lift heavy and hard, eat for a purpose and it will come together, eventually. It is difficult to put a time frame on something like this. I always say you get out of it what you put in. It really isnt easy but it isnt impossible!!!
  • Determinednoob
    Determinednoob Posts: 2,001 Member
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    ZOMG empirical data. So rare to get in relation to women gaining muscle ;)
  • DfantaBeneFIT
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    Thanks cool reply! I put my time in and love what i do!

    ZOMG empirical data. So rare to get in relation to women gaining muscle ;)
  • CelestinoZ
    CelestinoZ Posts: 15
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    I am going to start doing weights with my Jillian Michaels exercise videos but have a couple questions.

    1. How long does it take a woman to put on one pound of muscle?
    2. How long after strength training or how much muscle do you need to gain, for the new muscle to speed up your metabolism and start burning more fat faster?

    Aslo- will 5 and 8 pound weights be enough to to tighten everything up?

    Thanks for the help!:wink:

    1. This will vary depending on age, hormone level, caloric intake, metabolic level.
    2.This to will vary, some people can gain muscle faster than others depending on the type of worksout they do.

    3. To build muscle you should focus on compound lifts that work many body parts. Squats and deadlifts are really good for putting on muscle. Standing overhead presses are also very good, and from time to time bench presses are good to do.
    Excericises that target smaller muscle groups, such as bicep curls, and tricept pushdowns are very ineffective at building muslce. You can curl 25 pound barbells all day, but not see much improvement in the way of bicep size.
  • Reneefit135
    Reneefit135 Posts: 170
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    Wow - umm ok.... I don't have access to a gym nor do I have the money to get 100+ lbs in weights.... Do the weights have to be that high? I'm at 23.5% BF so I was trying mostly just help get the last of the fat off by introducing strength training instead of doing primarily cardio....

    I think what the problem is that you just have a different meaning of strength training, when people hear that they think compound lifts with a good amount of weight to get a total body workout. If you add small weights to JM, that is more of a small resistance training, and will achive what you are looking for.

    Thanks - This is one of the best most clear cut explanation on this. We see so many posts about this because those of us who haven't reached are goal yet or who are beginners get so confused with all the different info. But since i got similar answers to this on a recent post i sent out, i think the heavy lifting calorie deficit is helping me lose fat and def get more toned already. You are right that is what most females are looking for unless they just want bodybuilding...most of us want to get rid of the fat and be shaped and toned not necessarily add muscle mass. We only say we want to add muscle because we hear it helps burn fat and we like the curvy look of women that have lost fat and their muscles show toned and tight....not large.

    oh ok- Then I need to edit this to Resistance Training to put on some muscle...and Not strength training. I'm just wanting to tone up and get a bit stronger not WAY stronger.

    Don't think about it in terms of strength... think about it in terms of size.

    Heavy lifting + caloric deficit = what most people think of when they think "toned"
    Heavy lifting + caloric surplus = muscle growth/gaining size (albeit gains are small and very slow)

    Strength gains (i.e. the ability to lift heavier things) will come with either. Muscle gains (i.e. added size/muscle tissue) will really only happen with the second.

    .
  • Determinednoob
    Determinednoob Posts: 2,001 Member
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    Wow - umm ok.... I don't have access to a gym nor do I have the money to get 100+ lbs in weights.... Do the weights have to be that high? I'm at 23.5% BF so I was trying mostly just help get the last of the fat off by introducing strength training instead of doing primarily cardio....

    I think what the problem is that you just have a different meaning of strength training, when people hear that they think compound lifts with a good amount of weight to get a total body workout. If you add small weights to JM, that is more of a small resistance training, and will achive what you are looking for.

    Thanks - This is one of the best most clear cut explanation on this. We see so many posts about this because those of us who haven't reached are goal yet or who are beginners get so confused with all the different info. But since i got similar answers to this on a recent post i sent out, i think the heavy lifting calorie deficit is helping me lose fat and def get more toned already. You are right that is what most females are looking for unless they just want bodybuilding...most of us want to get rid of the fat and be shaped and toned not necessarily add muscle mass. We only say we want to add muscle because we hear it helps burn fat and we like the curvy look of women that have lost fat and their muscles show toned and tight....not large.

    oh ok- Then I need to edit this to Resistance Training to put on some muscle...and Not strength training. I'm just wanting to tone up and get a bit stronger not WAY stronger.

    Don't think about it in terms of strength... think about it in terms of size.

    Heavy lifting + caloric deficit = what most people think of when they think "toned"
    Heavy lifting + caloric surplus = muscle growth/gaining size (albeit gains are small and very slow)

    Strength gains (i.e. the ability to lift heavier things) will come with either. Muscle gains (i.e. added size/muscle tissue) will really only happen with the second.

    .

    requoted the requote soley for the purpose of requoting
  • Reneefit135
    Reneefit135 Posts: 170
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    LOL I just noticed what i wrote in the re quote didn't come through...i was saying i really liked that post, makes the most sense.
  • gxm17
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    You both may be right about the comments, but no one is right about people getting stronger doing bosu ball curls and kickbacks with 5 lbs. To suggest so is a disservice to uneducated people looking to truely get strong.

    I keep pointing to this study which proved that lighter weights can be *more* effective than heavy weights.

    Here's the science: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2918506/?tool=pubmed

    Here's someone explaining the science: http://www.cbass.com/LightWeights.htm

    The weight required for exercise-induced fatigue varies from person to person. IMO, it does a disservice to people who are not interested in lifting heavy to tell them that working out with lower weights is "pointless." And that's not even touching on the ridicule, which is the only truly pointless aspect of this discussion.
  • DfantaBeneFIT
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    TIME! The most important point. I have been doing this a long time & I happen to have a cool before/after shot. TWO YEARS to get to that point and still working... Slow gains!!!

    <a href="http://s1174.photobucket.com/albums/r602/dfantabenefit/?action=view&current=c08e2ad0.jpg&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r602/dfantabenefit/c08e2ad0.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Photobucket Pictures, Images and Photos" /></a>

    Any trainee regarless of gender builds muscle by working at max effort in a reasonable rep range preferably at the proper frequency and volume for their training level\recovery ability (if they are too far outisde of this they may actually NOT get results)adding weight and\or reps while eating a surplus. Of course it eventually gets more complicated with periodization and stalls\resets\deloading etc. but anyway...

    @OP

    Bet you didn't know your thread would be so full of win when you created it did you?

    Nope I sure didn't.... Nor did I expect so many smart A** remarks from people. I'm not joining a gym, I'm not trying to be as strong as womanly possible I just wanted to know if gaining muscle took a long time... All I want to do is tone up.

    I think any comments that you have taken as smart *kitten*, perhaps aren't, but are just blunt.

    However, questions like this come up very often because people don't seem to realise how slow a process gaining muscle is, whether you are a man or a woman.

    You asked about the little pink weights - those are all but useless...in fact scratch that - they are less than useless...

    I think sometimes it doesn't matter how many times it is said, people don't take certain things in until they experience them and have that- 'oh my god!' moment.

    Those sorts of 'womens exercise' dvd workouts take advantage of the fact that a lot of women believe that they can put on muscle in a matter of days and will end up looking like a man.

    This is not the case - men have the hormones to build muscle a lot more easily than women, and yet it is a damn hard slog for us. It takes a massive amount of effort and dedication, and even then is sloooowwwww..........

    It is good that you are looking at actually doing weights as opposed to sticking with purely cardio, but those dvds and baby weights are practically pointless.

    You should have a look at new rules of lifting for women and get a good plan where you are lifting such weight that you can only manage between 8 and 12 reps before failure. (Failure being that you physically can't move that weight one more time).

    That is how to work out the right weight for you.

    If you can't afford weight, then that is fine, there are things you can do with bodyweight that can be effective and there are many many mannnny routines that you can google.
  • DfantaBeneFIT
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    And thats FAST For a woman!
  • bacamacho
    bacamacho Posts: 306 Member
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    It's taken me 4 months gym (floor stuff with body weight) and P90X with max 15 lb weights to get this little bit to show:
    guns.jpg
    My arms are normally either skinny twigs when I'm fit, or squishy tree trunks when I'm fluffy, so this little bit is a huge deal for me, LOL! I'm not looking to get jacked. Just want to be strong for my triathlon training and racing. It's easier to carry your mountain bike if you've got some strength.
  • Determinednoob
    Determinednoob Posts: 2,001 Member
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    You both may be right about the comments, but no one is right about people getting stronger doing bosu ball curls and kickbacks with 5 lbs. To suggest so is a disservice to uneducated people looking to truely get strong.

    I keep pointing to this study which proved that lighter weights can be *more* effective than heavy weights.

    Here's the science: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2918506/?tool=pubmed

    Here's someone explaining the science: http://www.cbass.com/LightWeights.htm

    The weight required for exercise-induced fatigue varies from person to person. IMO, it does a disservice to people who are not interested in lifting heavy to tell them that working out with lower weights is "pointless." And that's not even touching on the ridicule, which is the only truly pointless aspect of this discussion.

    Some outlier study of dudes doing leg extensions to failure and results being measured by spinning crap in a centrifuge vs the thousands of studies and hundreds of thousands of emperical data points (people) that have proven the opposite with results being measured by anyone with eyes looking at them and immediately thinking "Wow that dude is big as f***"
  • Determinednoob
    Determinednoob Posts: 2,001 Member
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    And thats FAST For a woman!

    Do you know how many lbs of muscle you have put on total, and how many lbs in each year? What kinds of routines did you move through as you went? Are you still gaining? Still trying to gain?
  • hesn92
    hesn92 Posts: 5,967 Member
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    TIME! The most important point. I have been doing this a long time & I happen to have a cool before/after shot. TWO YEARS to get to that point and still working... Slow gains!!!

    <a href="http://s1174.photobucket.com/albums/r602/dfantabenefit/?action=view&current=c08e2ad0.jpg&quot; target="_blank"><img src="http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r602/dfantabenefit/c08e2ad0.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Photobucket Pictures, Images and Photos" /></a>



    So you got all that muscle in 2 years???
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,709 Member
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    I am going to start doing weights with my Jillian Michaels exercise videos but have a couple questions.

    1. How long does it take a woman to put on one pound of muscle?
    Too many variables to give a specific time. How you lift, what you eat, rest, cardio, hormones, etc. all play into this.
    2. How long after strength training or how much muscle do you need to gain, for the new muscle to speed up your metabolism and start burning more fat faster?
    Just lifting with enough resistance alone will speed up your metabolism.
    Aslo- will 5 and 8 pound weights be enough to to tighten everything up?

    Thanks for the help!:wink:
    IMO no. If that were true, then mommies who lift their babies daily would be pretty tightened up.


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  • RedHeadDevotchka
    RedHeadDevotchka Posts: 1,394 Member
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    My suggestion, go to the gym and start lifting like a man, and eating like a man! RAWR! I've gained 10 lbs since March and I haven't gotten any fatter as a result. I eat between 2200-2400 calories a day and it's (mostly) clean carbs and quality protein. Don't worry about too much too soon. Lift what's heavy for you (provided you have good form), and don't sell yourself short, I bet you'd be shocked how strong you are! and eat to fuel that machine called your body!