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janejellyroll wrote: »kristikitter wrote: »All I know is... there was a blog I used to read a lot of (out of morbid curiosity), written by a woman who was obese and into the FA movement. Almost every entry mentioned what she was eating, what she was going to eat, what she had recently eaten... it always made me think of that quote from Babe The Sheep-Pig by Dick King-Smith:
Pigs enjoy eating, and they also enjoy lying around most of the day thinking about eating again.
The skin discolouration, back issues, joint problems and issues maintaining hygiene certainly contradicted her whole thing about loving her size and defying the hate mail she was getting.
I'm not obese, but I enjoy eating and I spend a lot of time thinking about eating again. I find food to be intensely pleasurable, I love thinking about it, preparing it, reading about it, and watching people prepare it. If I had a blog, it would probably be about what I had eaten and what I was going to eat. And clearly I wouldn't be alone, as this is a common blog topic for people in every size range.
Not it is not! so please stop generalizing which seems to be another MFP mantra.
Well, that's an, uh, interesting perspective, and certainly worth a touch of judgement and an exclamation point. Which size range would you contend is absolutely against food blogging, or for which food bloggers are vanishingly scarce? Size 00? Size 10?7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »kristikitter wrote: »All I know is... there was a blog I used to read a lot of (out of morbid curiosity), written by a woman who was obese and into the FA movement. Almost every entry mentioned what she was eating, what she was going to eat, what she had recently eaten... it always made me think of that quote from Babe The Sheep-Pig by Dick King-Smith:
Pigs enjoy eating, and they also enjoy lying around most of the day thinking about eating again.
The skin discolouration, back issues, joint problems and issues maintaining hygiene certainly contradicted her whole thing about loving her size and defying the hate mail she was getting.
I'm not obese, but I enjoy eating and I spend a lot of time thinking about eating again. I find food to be intensely pleasurable, I love thinking about it, preparing it, reading about it, and watching people prepare it. If I had a blog, it would probably be about what I had eaten and what I was going to eat. And clearly I wouldn't be alone, as this is a common blog topic for people in every size range.
Not it is not! so please stop generalizing which seems to be another MFP mantra.
How are food blogs not common?1 -
I only care because being at an unhealthy weight (high or low) adds to the rising health insurance / medical costs that everyone -including people trying to be reasonably fit- usually pays for.
Starting a "movement" (ironic word choice...) to make it even more acceptable to be at an unhealthy weight is just pushing "Politically Correct" to the extreme.
Japan taxes and educates people who are at unhealthy weight levels.
Every year everyone has blood work, measurements and the like checked and it is reported to the government.
Those taxes help balance the drain on the public health insurance system in Japan.
Guess what? Japan has around a 5% obesity rate, and that includes sumo wrestlers.
People in Japan are taught how to make healthy lifestyle choices and workplaces often help by making sure cafeteria menus are healthy or having mandatory exercise classes at the beginning of work shifts.
This applies to foreigners (がいじん）living in Japan as well, I think.
They should do something like that here in the States, in my opinion.
Nope, DT wouldn't allow it. He will encourage people to eat McD while traveling in a fancy plane.
Oh God. Here we go.
It can be let go. In fact, MFP rules would require it. ;-)
I do think it's easy enough to have healthy cafeterias and many places probably do. My old employer had what I'd consider a healthy in-house lunch available for $4. My current one has no lunch, except for a group thing every other Friday that isn't cafeteria like at all. (Sometimes it's more healthy than others.)3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I only care because being at an unhealthy weight (high or low) adds to the rising health insurance / medical costs that everyone -including people trying to be reasonably fit- usually pays for.
Starting a "movement" (ironic word choice...) to make it even more acceptable to be at an unhealthy weight is just pushing "Politically Correct" to the extreme.
Japan taxes and educates people who are at unhealthy weight levels.
Every year everyone has blood work, measurements and the like checked and it is reported to the government.
Those taxes help balance the drain on the public health insurance system in Japan.
Guess what? Japan has around a 5% obesity rate, and that includes sumo wrestlers.
People in Japan are taught how to make healthy lifestyle choices and workplaces often help by making sure cafeteria menus are healthy or having mandatory exercise classes at the beginning of work shifts.
This applies to foreigners (がいじん）living in Japan as well, I think.
I they should do something like that here in the States, in my opinion.
How exactly do they make "healthy" cafeteria menus?
Probably emphasize vegetables and fruits served fresh or with minimal added sugars/oils, lean protein sources. Limited or no drinks with added sugars and no "junk food" like chips, candy, cakes, cookies, etc.
Also, probably offering a range of traditional Japanese foods in Japanese-sized portions, which is to say, it would fit in a Japanese bento box, and not an American igloo cooler. That sounds fabulous. I was lucky enough to snag an insanely delicious balsamic-glazed salmon with roasted butternut squash, barley risotto, and brussels sprouts at my cafeteria today (in appropriately robust portions...gotta get muh gainz) and there was no one in the feature line, but tomorrow it will be a huge trough of fried mac n cheese with a side of fried fries and there will be a ginormous line. They're not going to keep offering the "healthy" options if there is no support for them.1 -
I only care because being at an unhealthy weight (high or low) adds to the rising health insurance / medical costs that everyone -including people trying to be reasonably fit- usually pays for.
Starting a "movement" (ironic word choice...) to make it even more acceptable to be at an unhealthy weight is just pushing "Politically Correct" to the extreme.
Japan taxes and educates people who are at unhealthy weight levels.
Every year everyone has blood work, measurements and the like checked and it is reported to the government.
Those taxes help balance the drain on the public health insurance system in Japan.
Guess what? Japan has around a 5% obesity rate, and that includes sumo wrestlers.
People in Japan are taught how to make healthy lifestyle choices and workplaces often help by making sure cafeteria menus are healthy or having mandatory exercise classes at the beginning of work shifts.
This applies to foreigners (がいじん）living in Japan as well, I think.
They should do something like that here in the States, in my opinion.
This comes from the Japanese culture - to always improve upon... This is also in direct contradiction of the ideals the United States were founded upon - that the individual is the only entity with rights and that society has no rights.
The Japanese also openly mock the obese and/or anything that does not follow societal norms. This is a very different society and culture than the US.
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Packerjohn wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I only care because being at an unhealthy weight (high or low) adds to the rising health insurance / medical costs that everyone -including people trying to be reasonably fit- usually pays for.
Starting a "movement" (ironic word choice...) to make it even more acceptable to be at an unhealthy weight is just pushing "Politically Correct" to the extreme.
Japan taxes and educates people who are at unhealthy weight levels.
Every year everyone has blood work, measurements and the like checked and it is reported to the government.
Those taxes help balance the drain on the public health insurance system in Japan.
Guess what? Japan has around a 5% obesity rate, and that includes sumo wrestlers.
People in Japan are taught how to make healthy lifestyle choices and workplaces often help by making sure cafeteria menus are healthy or having mandatory exercise classes at the beginning of work shifts.
This applies to foreigners (がいじん）living in Japan as well, I think.
I they should do something like that here in the States, in my opinion.
How exactly do they make "healthy" cafeteria menus?
Probably emphasize vegetables and fruits served fresh or with minimal added sugars/oils, lean protein sources. Limited or no drinks with added sugars and no "junk food" like chips, candy, cakes, cookies, etc.
Are you saying people can't become overweight by eating fresh vegetables and fruits and lean protein sources?2 -
I don't think anybody should be shamed for body size, BUT at the same time I cannot support the fat acceptance movement. Yes one can be healthy being overweight, but for how long? Extra weight is extra work on the body to carry around and extra work for the heart. How long does one think they can go on being overweight before it starts to cause health issues? It's an excuse to continue to bad habits and not get help ,and a bandaid to the growing issues with obesity worldwide, more so in countries that have become more westernized. Instead of fixing the problem and making more healthy food choices available and affordable, we've created an environment and an attitude that allows for this to continue albeit unhealthy in the long run. It's no secret that obesity is on the list of high mortality rates. The comorbidities and future health issues that may arise later on from the excess weight can be bought down and lives can be saved just by losing the excess pounds. I've worked in the O.R. and it's a lot harder to perform surgical procedures on overweight people even WITH longer instruments because there is the extra adipose tissue around organs to contend with. It's also more difficult and strenuous when trying to position them. To me it's saying it's okay to be a size that is not healthy and will kill you prematurely or have some other debilitating effect on you later on in life, we'll front the bill for your poor choices. I have family members who have been overweight since I can remember and as the years have gone by, they've gone from healthy to sickly. Weight and poor eating habits, which of course led to being overweight in the first place, has taken a great toll on them. From heart disease to joint issues and type 2 diabetes. It's sad1
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Sure acceptance is important..
Its best to workout and eat healthy because you love yourself... Not because you hate yourself..
How can you ever love yourself enough to make lasting changes if you don't accept who you are right now.5 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »kristikitter wrote: »All I know is... there was a blog I used to read a lot of (out of morbid curiosity), written by a woman who was obese and into the FA movement. Almost every entry mentioned what she was eating, what she was going to eat, what she had recently eaten... it always made me think of that quote from Babe The Sheep-Pig by Dick King-Smith:
Pigs enjoy eating, and they also enjoy lying around most of the day thinking about eating again.
The skin discolouration, back issues, joint problems and issues maintaining hygiene certainly contradicted her whole thing about loving her size and defying the hate mail she was getting.
I'm not obese, but I enjoy eating and I spend a lot of time thinking about eating again. I find food to be intensely pleasurable, I love thinking about it, preparing it, reading about it, and watching people prepare it. If I had a blog, it would probably be about what I had eaten and what I was going to eat. And clearly I wouldn't be alone, as this is a common blog topic for people in every size range.
Not it is not! so please stop generalizing which seems to be another MFP mantra.
How are food blogs not common?
Maybe Gisel meant it's not common to mention food frequently
/obsessively in a general blog (which was part of my original point), rather than it's not common to run a food-based blog. That's how I'm reading their comment.1 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I only care because being at an unhealthy weight (high or low) adds to the rising health insurance / medical costs that everyone -including people trying to be reasonably fit- usually pays for.
Starting a "movement" (ironic word choice...) to make it even more acceptable to be at an unhealthy weight is just pushing "Politically Correct" to the extreme.
Japan taxes and educates people who are at unhealthy weight levels.
Every year everyone has blood work, measurements and the like checked and it is reported to the government.
Those taxes help balance the drain on the public health insurance system in Japan.
Guess what? Japan has around a 5% obesity rate, and that includes sumo wrestlers.
People in Japan are taught how to make healthy lifestyle choices and workplaces often help by making sure cafeteria menus are healthy or having mandatory exercise classes at the beginning of work shifts.
This applies to foreigners (がいじん）living in Japan as well, I think.
I they should do something like that here in the States, in my opinion.
How exactly do they make "healthy" cafeteria menus?
Probably emphasize vegetables and fruits served fresh or with minimal added sugars/oils, lean protein sources. Limited or no drinks with added sugars and no "junk food" like chips, candy, cakes, cookies, etc.
Are you saying people can't become overweight by eating fresh vegetables and fruits and lean protein sources?
I was responding to a question as to what would be considered healthy food choices at a cafeteria. I believe if you look at what is labeled by the operator as healthy would include the items I mentioned.
Can people become fat eating just these items, sure, calories in vs calories out. I'm not looking up scientific proof now, but it would be my opinion that people who chose the type of foods listed for 85-90% of their average daily calories have fewer issues with weight than those that don't.3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I only care because being at an unhealthy weight (high or low) adds to the rising health insurance / medical costs that everyone -including people trying to be reasonably fit- usually pays for.
Starting a "movement" (ironic word choice...) to make it even more acceptable to be at an unhealthy weight is just pushing "Politically Correct" to the extreme.
Japan taxes and educates people who are at unhealthy weight levels.
Every year everyone has blood work, measurements and the like checked and it is reported to the government.
Those taxes help balance the drain on the public health insurance system in Japan.
Guess what? Japan has around a 5% obesity rate, and that includes sumo wrestlers.
People in Japan are taught how to make healthy lifestyle choices and workplaces often help by making sure cafeteria menus are healthy or having mandatory exercise classes at the beginning of work shifts.
This applies to foreigners (がいじん）living in Japan as well, I think.
I they should do something like that here in the States, in my opinion.
How exactly do they make "healthy" cafeteria menus?
Probably emphasize vegetables and fruits served fresh or with minimal added sugars/oils, lean protein sources. Limited or no drinks with added sugars and no "junk food" like chips, candy, cakes, cookies, etc.
Are you saying people can't become overweight by eating fresh vegetables and fruits and lean protein sources?
I was responding to a question as to what would be considered healthy food choices at a cafeteria. I believe if you look at what is labeled by the operator as healthy would include the items I mentioned.
Can people become fat eating just these items, sure, calories in vs calories out. I'm not looking up scientific proof now, but it would be my opinion that people who chose the type of foods listed for 85-90% of their average daily calories have fewer issues with weight than those that don't.
It was explained that a "healthy" cafeteria menu contributes to a 5% obesity rate. I'm not convinced. Perhaps I'm one of the 5% that is able to exceed maintenance calories quite easily even while eating fresh fruits and vegetables and lean protein sources... except I'm not convinced that is limited to 5% of the population.0 -
I can take responsibility for myself, my health, to the best of my ability.
That I have done, and really, that''s all anyone can do.
I don't support bad anything, as far as I know.
I was never obese. I don't shame or even mention overweight or obesity to anyone and wouldn't start, no matter what it costs in health care.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I can not speak on the topic of body acceptance for people of size as a social movement...I can only speak about how it has impacted me. I have been overweight since I was about 10 or 11 years old....and it came with a great deal of shame. Not just the shame that others vaulted my way, but the shame that I placed on myself. If I were a better person somehow, I thought, I would look "normal." I quickly drew inward...never wearing shorts even in 100 degree heat, never wearing anything sleeveless no matter how hot it was outside...never exercising in front of other people (not even my own family) for fear that they would see me red faced, sweaty and jiggling. It took the body acceptance movement to let me know that it's ok for me to wear a sleeveless shirt when it's 100+ degrees outside...it's ok for me to wear a pair of shorts. People don't have to think I'm pretty...I matter enough as a human being to be comfortable. The newfound confidence/bravery that allowed me to wear a sleeveless shirt to the store translated into the bravery to run on a treadmill where my husband could see (ok let's be honest, it started out as running/walking...but it progressed to running) and then I was running outside, despite the sheer terror of being screamed at by some passing motorist...and then I went to a gym and started lifting heavy weights. All of it was sooooo scary, so uncomfortable at first. I didn't look at myself because of body positivity and think "yeah, it's COOL to be fat! My size 18 jeans are smoking hot!" Far from it. I took from it that it was ok to take care of myself, even if other people thought I was hideous and gross...because I'm a human being and I don't have to look a certain way to care about myself. Body positivity is, at it's core, about accepting yourself enough to take care of your needs (physical, emotional etc) and from that you can then begin to have the bravery and self love to do those things which nurture you...in my case that turned out to be squats. Love me a squat rack.
Hell, I'm probably one of the biggest "anti-fat a-holes" in this community, but even I can't bring myself to be *kitten* to someone who is clearly busting their *kitten* running/walking/lifting/whatever, no matter how they look, what they are wearing, etc. The absolute last thing I want to do is something that might make the person feel like crap in a way that discourages them from performing said activities. It would completely counterintuitive to everything that I believe, and want to see.
Am I an *kitten* in regards to people who relegate themselves to using motorized scooters to wheel around Walmart to pick up their 4500 kcal afternoon snack? Absolutely. Would I ever, under any circumstances mock an obese person who is clearly trying to better their health? Hells nah. That requires someone being an *kitten* for no reason other than being an *kitten*; maybe for their own personal giggle. *kitten* them.
I may be a hate-filled, dislikable jerkoff, but even I have a line, and that's definitely it.
@Gallowmere1984 - I'm not one who dislikes you or cringes at your posting style, no matter how raw and direct it may be.
I do notice how here on MFP you don't initiate personal criticism toward individual posters. You keep it general, within the category of obesity and inactivity, and I think that's very okay - unpopular as it may be. Also, it appears that you stand alone here as an individual and don't travel in an MFP pack. I also appreciate that about you.
I admire your efforts concerning your dedication towards dietary discipline and fitness. And the proof's in the proverbial pudding.
But please tell me I'm wrong if I interpret your post above as meaning you would mock an obese person in Walmart using a motorized scooter to pick up a 5 lb. bag of Fritos and a jug of Pepsi?
That would be a misinterpretation, yes. Would I shake my head, chuckle to myself and sarcastically think "yeah, bet his T3 levels are just off"? You bet your *kitten*. Would I point, laugh, make an *kitten* of myself while hoping the general pubic didn't take it as a cue to start looking for the nearest cop? Not so much.
That's what I thought. That you wouldn't publicly or audibly mock someone. Thanks for the clarification.
Oh yeah, no, absolutely not. No matter how deplorable or disgusting I may find another person's choices, I never feel that I have the right to publicly lambast someone over them. The only exception being if a person's choices are posing risk, or actual harm to others.
In fact, if I were to witness something like that, you'd see the last thing anyone here would expect: me jumping to the defense of the person being berated.
It's entirely possible to be an a-hole and a relatively decent human being at the same time.15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »kristikitter wrote: »All I know is... there was a blog I used to read a lot of (out of morbid curiosity), written by a woman who was obese and into the FA movement. Almost every entry mentioned what she was eating, what she was going to eat, what she had recently eaten... it always made me think of that quote from Babe The Sheep-Pig by Dick King-Smith:
Pigs enjoy eating, and they also enjoy lying around most of the day thinking about eating again.
The skin discolouration, back issues, joint problems and issues maintaining hygiene certainly contradicted her whole thing about loving her size and defying the hate mail she was getting.
I'm not obese, but I enjoy eating and I spend a lot of time thinking about eating again. I find food to be intensely pleasurable, I love thinking about it, preparing it, reading about it, and watching people prepare it. If I had a blog, it would probably be about what I had eaten and what I was going to eat. And clearly I wouldn't be alone, as this is a common blog topic for people in every size range.
Not it is not! so please stop generalizing which seems to be another MFP mantra.
Wait, you *disagree* that food is a common topic online? There are thousands and thousands of food bloggers and they come in many different sizes. That's just a fact, I'm not generalizing about anyone.2 -
kristikitter wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »kristikitter wrote: »All I know is... there was a blog I used to read a lot of (out of morbid curiosity), written by a woman who was obese and into the FA movement. Almost every entry mentioned what she was eating, what she was going to eat, what she had recently eaten... it always made me think of that quote from Babe The Sheep-Pig by Dick King-Smith:
Pigs enjoy eating, and they also enjoy lying around most of the day thinking about eating again.
The skin discolouration, back issues, joint problems and issues maintaining hygiene certainly contradicted her whole thing about loving her size and defying the hate mail she was getting.
I'm not obese, but I enjoy eating and I spend a lot of time thinking about eating again. I find food to be intensely pleasurable, I love thinking about it, preparing it, reading about it, and watching people prepare it. If I had a blog, it would probably be about what I had eaten and what I was going to eat. And clearly I wouldn't be alone, as this is a common blog topic for people in every size range.
Not it is not! so please stop generalizing which seems to be another MFP mantra.
How are food blogs not common?
Maybe Gisel meant it's not common to mention food frequently
/obsessively in a general blog (which was part of my original point), rather than it's not common to run a food-based blog. That's how I'm reading their comment.
I think a "general blog"--like not on any particular topic--seems a lot less common than a themed one, and as the other poster said I think blogging about food is quite common. The ones I am aware of aren't by overweight people, even, although I also agree with the other poster that likely there are some from people of all sizes.0 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »I only care because being at an unhealthy weight (high or low) adds to the rising health insurance / medical costs that everyone -including people trying to be reasonably fit- usually pays for.
Starting a "movement" (ironic word choice...) to make it even more acceptable to be at an unhealthy weight is just pushing "Politically Correct" to the extreme.
Japan taxes and educates people who are at unhealthy weight levels.
Every year everyone has blood work, measurements and the like checked and it is reported to the government.
Those taxes help balance the drain on the public health insurance system in Japan.
Guess what? Japan has around a 5% obesity rate, and that includes sumo wrestlers.
People in Japan are taught how to make healthy lifestyle choices and workplaces often help by making sure cafeteria menus are healthy or having mandatory exercise classes at the beginning of work shifts.
This applies to foreigners (がいじん）living in Japan as well, I think.
I they should do something like that here in the States, in my opinion.
How exactly do they make "healthy" cafeteria menus?
Probably emphasize vegetables and fruits served fresh or with minimal added sugars/oils, lean protein sources. Limited or no drinks with added sugars and no "junk food" like chips, candy, cakes, cookies, etc.
Are you saying people can't become overweight by eating fresh vegetables and fruits and lean protein sources?
I was responding to a question as to what would be considered healthy food choices at a cafeteria. I believe if you look at what is labeled by the operator as healthy would include the items I mentioned.
Can people become fat eating just these items, sure, calories in vs calories out. I'm not looking up scientific proof now, but it would be my opinion that people who chose the type of foods listed for 85-90% of their average daily calories have fewer issues with weight than those that don't.
It was explained that a "healthy" cafeteria menu contributes to a 5% obesity rate. I'm not convinced. Perhaps I'm one of the 5% that is able to exceed maintenance calories quite easily even while eating fresh fruits and vegetables and lean protein sources... except I'm not convinced that is limited to 5% of the population.
Japan has a 5% obesity rate. Food in some cafeterias being limited to healthy choices may contribute a bit but I'm pretty sure cultural and other factors are the main drivers for the low rate.
I do believe though if you did the analysis people who eat 85-90 % of their calories from healthier, nutrionally denser foods have lower rates of obesity.
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kristikitter wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »kristikitter wrote: »All I know is... there was a blog I used to read a lot of (out of morbid curiosity), written by a woman who was obese and into the FA movement. Almost every entry mentioned what she was eating, what she was going to eat, what she had recently eaten... it always made me think of that quote from Babe The Sheep-Pig by Dick King-Smith:
Pigs enjoy eating, and they also enjoy lying around most of the day thinking about eating again.
The skin discolouration, back issues, joint problems and issues maintaining hygiene certainly contradicted her whole thing about loving her size and defying the hate mail she was getting.
I'm not obese, but I enjoy eating and I spend a lot of time thinking about eating again. I find food to be intensely pleasurable, I love thinking about it, preparing it, reading about it, and watching people prepare it. If I had a blog, it would probably be about what I had eaten and what I was going to eat. And clearly I wouldn't be alone, as this is a common blog topic for people in every size range.
Not it is not! so please stop generalizing which seems to be another MFP mantra.
How are food blogs not common?
Maybe Gisel meant it's not common to mention food frequently
/obsessively in a general blog (which was part of my original point), rather than it's not common to run a food-based blog. That's how I'm reading their comment.
Oh, and I am not a big FB person, but from my knowledge of FB talking about food is reasonably common too, again not particularly from overweight people. (Personally, I was much less likely to talk about food publicly when fat since I expected that others would be snarky, but see people talking about what they eat all the time. Maybe I just know lots of foodies, dunno.)1 -
I only care because being at an unhealthy weight (high or low) adds to the rising health insurance / medical costs that everyone -including people trying to be reasonably fit- usually pays for.
Starting a "movement" (ironic word choice...) to make it even more acceptable to be at an unhealthy weight is just pushing "Politically Correct" to the extreme.
Japan taxes and educates people who are at unhealthy weight levels.
Every year everyone has blood work, measurements and the like checked and it is reported to the government.
Those taxes help balance the drain on the public health insurance system in Japan.
Guess what? Japan has around a 5% obesity rate, and that includes sumo wrestlers.
People in Japan are taught how to make healthy lifestyle choices and workplaces often help by making sure cafeteria menus are healthy or having mandatory exercise classes at the beginning of work shifts.
This applies to foreigners (がいじん）living in Japan as well, I think.
They should do something like that here in the States, in my opinion.
Putting the responsibility on the state to manage people's own health is wrong in my opinion. It is a case where I don't think the ends justify the means (I have a libertarian streak in me).
That said I do think someone in a society is perfectly within their rights to voice concern about obesity or someone being significantly overweight on the basis that it puts an undue strain on the health system that we all support.
To me there is a huge difference between calling a specific individual fat in order to shame them or make them feel like less of a person and saying that as a society we should discourage unhealthy weight and not accept it as being the "new normal" somehow.9 -
I "accept" fat about as much as I "accept" cancer. Its not something to rub in someones face who has it, but it is something to fight against...not embrace.16
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I don't care about other people's choices. I only know about me. I know how unhealthy it is for me to be overweight and how much more difficult it is to have energy, feel good, buy clothes etc. I've noticed the older I get the harder it is to feel well. I have been fat and have family and friends who are fat. I love them and we enjoy each other. BUT you will never convince me that it is a healthy lifestyle. It's like everything else in life, you make choices and those choices have consequences. You have to decide which ones you want to live with. Life is not fair. One of the consequences is that the fatter you are, the more people there are who will make judgments and have assumptions about you, and the unhealthier you will be. Let me ask this: How many of you would want to date someone morbidly obese if you weren't and why. I have friends in all kinds of lifestyles, but I sure do worry about the ones who are extremely heavy.2
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