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Just going to say here that with 65% of the population in the US overweight and at least 20% of those categorized as obese, we're likely only talking less than 5% with major health issues that caused the weight gain. The rest is from choice of not addressing it before they got there.I'm just wondering how you can tell, by just looking at a person why they are as they are, health conditions do not shout out they are health conditionas opposed to someone perpetually piggin out, the people can look very similar. People who presume to know why a person is the way they are are doing themselves and society a disservice, only the person themselves knows the things they are doing to achieve their own good health. If it were possible to identify all the issues which can cause health problems in each and every person we would live in a very different world we'd need fewer doctors for starters.
Low t3 underpins my, salicylate sensitivity, Histamine intolerance, chemical sensitivity, dairy intolerance not lactose but the common kind, casein and paraben, the preservative in food, medication and cleaning products problems. In many situations Low t3 prevents the body naturally being able to make the enzymes etc it should do. Naturally those giving the scathing glances and hostile comments could see all this going on in me and others like me, NOT.
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Just going to say here that with 65% of the population in the US overweight and at least 20% of those categorized as obese, we're likely only talking less than 5% with major health issues that caused the weight gain. The rest is from choice of not addressing it before they got there.I'm just wondering how you can tell, by just looking at a person why they are as they are, health conditions do not shout out they are health conditionas opposed to someone perpetually piggin out, the people can look very similar. People who presume to know why a person is the way they are are doing themselves and society a disservice, only the person themselves knows the things they are doing to achieve their own good health. If it were possible to identify all the issues which can cause health problems in each and every person we would live in a very different world we'd need fewer doctors for starters.
Low t3 underpins my, salicylate sensitivity, Histamine intolerance, chemical sensitivity, dairy intolerance not lactose but the common kind, casein and paraben, the preservative in food, medication and cleaning products problems. In many situations Low t3 prevents the body naturally being able to make the enzymes etc it should do. Naturally those giving the scathing glances and hostile comments could see all this going on in me and others like me, NOT.
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Because God forbid those who are not doctors give advice on self image, self acceptance, and body weight..
In reality at the end of the day someone has to want to lose the weight. It doesn't matter what a doctor, sibling, trainer tells them they mentally have to want it. It has been proven fat shaming and bullying doesn't convince people to lose weight.4 -
bdbfangirl20 wrote: »Because God forbid those who are not doctors give advice on self image, self acceptance, and body weight..
In reality at the end of the day someone has to want to lose the weight. It doesn't matter what a doctor, sibling, trainer tells them they mentally have to want it. It has been proven fat shaming and bullying doesn't convince people to lose weight.
Fat shaming convinced me to lose weight. r/fatpeoplehate was a great motivator for me.2 -
Just going to say here that with 65% of the population in the US overweight and at least 20% of those categorized as obese, we're likely only talking less than 5% with major health issues that caused the weight gain. The rest is from choice of not addressing it before they got there.I'm just wondering how you can tell, by just looking at a person why they are as they are, health conditions do not shout out they are health conditionas opposed to someone perpetually piggin out, the people can look very similar. People who presume to know why a person is the way they are are doing themselves and society a disservice, only the person themselves knows the things they are doing to achieve their own good health. If it were possible to identify all the issues which can cause health problems in each and every person we would live in a very different world we'd need fewer doctors for starters.
Low t3 underpins my, salicylate sensitivity, Histamine intolerance, chemical sensitivity, dairy intolerance not lactose but the common kind, casein and paraben, the preservative in food, medication and cleaning products problems. In many situations Low t3 prevents the body naturally being able to make the enzymes etc it should do. Naturally those giving the scathing glances and hostile comments could see all this going on in me and others like me, NOT.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I agree. Most likely it is 95% that have minor physical/mental health issues leading to weight gains. Over time obesity can lead 95% of them to have developed major health issues.
Totally healthy people seldom become obese I expect.1 -
coreyreichle wrote: »bdbfangirl20 wrote: »Because God forbid those who are not doctors give advice on self image, self acceptance, and body weight..
In reality at the end of the day someone has to want to lose the weight. It doesn't matter what a doctor, sibling, trainer tells them they mentally have to want it. It has been proven fat shaming and bullying doesn't convince people to lose weight.
Fat shaming convinced me to lose weight. r/fatpeoplehate was a great motivator for me.
Worked for me too.1 -
Actually when a person is looking to change their health/weight both positive and negative stuff can help.
When a person is not looking for better health the same positive/negative messages can hurt them.
I did have to visualize myself in my coffin to get off of sugar and all grain in my case. When I looked at going for an early death or a longer healthier life I went for the latter which was a positive image.2 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Just going to say here that with 65% of the population in the US overweight and at least 20% of those categorized as obese, we're likely only talking less than 5% with major health issues that caused the weight gain. The rest is from choice of not addressing it before they got there.I'm just wondering how you can tell, by just looking at a person why they are as they are, health conditions do not shout out they are health conditionas opposed to someone perpetually piggin out, the people can look very similar. People who presume to know why a person is the way they are are doing themselves and society a disservice, only the person themselves knows the things they are doing to achieve their own good health. If it were possible to identify all the issues which can cause health problems in each and every person we would live in a very different world we'd need fewer doctors for starters.
Low t3 underpins my, salicylate sensitivity, Histamine intolerance, chemical sensitivity, dairy intolerance not lactose but the common kind, casein and paraben, the preservative in food, medication and cleaning products problems. In many situations Low t3 prevents the body naturally being able to make the enzymes etc it should do. Naturally those giving the scathing glances and hostile comments could see all this going on in me and others like me, NOT.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I agree. Most likely it is 95% that have minor physical/mental health issues leading to weight gains. Over time obesity can lead 95% of them to have developed major health issues.
Totally healthy people seldom become obese I expect.
What is this new mental health pandemic sweeping the globe causing billions of people to eat above their maintenance calories?10 -
antinomiancelestial wrote: »I still think that doctors should be willing to take complaints from larger patients seriously rather than dismissing everything as weight-related. I've heard of people having undiagnosed tumors, even, because doctors just assumed whatever was wrong had to do with weight/could wait to be dealt with until the person was thinner.
Thankfully this way well become a moot point in the next 10-20 years with the rise of cognitive healthcare computing / IBM Watson Health.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
Just going to say here that with 65% of the population in the US overweight and at least 20% of those categorized as obese, we're likely only talking less than 5% with major health issues that caused the weight gain. The rest is from choice of not addressing it before they got there.I'm just wondering how you can tell, by just looking at a person why they are as they are, health conditions do not shout out they are health conditionas opposed to someone perpetually piggin out, the people can look very similar. People who presume to know why a person is the way they are are doing themselves and society a disservice, only the person themselves knows the things they are doing to achieve their own good health. If it were possible to identify all the issues which can cause health problems in each and every person we would live in a very different world we'd need fewer doctors for starters.
Low t3 underpins my, salicylate sensitivity, Histamine intolerance, chemical sensitivity, dairy intolerance not lactose but the common kind, casein and paraben, the preservative in food, medication and cleaning products problems. In many situations Low t3 prevents the body naturally being able to make the enzymes etc it should do. Naturally those giving the scathing glances and hostile comments could see all this going on in me and others like me, NOT.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I agree. Most likely it is 95% that have minor physical/mental health issues leading to weight gains. Over time obesity can lead 95% of them to have developed major health issues.
Totally healthy people seldom become obese I expect.
What is this new mental health pandemic sweeping the globe causing billions of people to eat above their maintenance calories?
I do not see it as anything new. The cause of overeating can be many. In my case as my joint and muscle pain levels increased my energy levels seemed to decrease. Then I would grab a Dr. Pepper and and candy bar unaware that in my case the carbs where increasing my inflammation levels leading to higher pain levels leading to increasing my intake of Dr. Pepper and candy bars. CI was increasing and CO was decreasing.
When facing starting Enbrel injections on a hunch I cut out sugar and all forums of all grains Oct 2014 and pain levels dropped like a rock in the first 30 days and have not returned but good physical/mental health is still recovering at age 66.
In my case going off sugar and all grains was just a mental decision to cease consuming them. Two weeks later the physical cravings for them packed up and left so it has been easy since that time. Well the mental cravings lasted more like six month I guess but since my long term subjective pain levels of 7-8 had dropped to more like 2-3 the mental cravings had little impact on my WOE.
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antinomiancelestial wrote: »I still think that doctors should be willing to take complaints from larger patients seriously rather than dismissing everything as weight-related. I've heard of people having undiagnosed tumors, even, because doctors just assumed whatever was wrong had to do with weight/could wait to be dealt with until the person was thinner.
Thankfully this way well become a moot point in the next 10-20 years with the rise of cognitive healthcare computing / IBM Watson Health.
Cool! That was news to me.
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antinomiancelestial wrote: »I still think that doctors should be willing to take complaints from larger patients seriously rather than dismissing everything as weight-related. I've heard of people having undiagnosed tumors, even, because doctors just assumed whatever was wrong had to do with weight/could wait to be dealt with until the person was thinner.
Thankfully this way well become a moot point in the next 10-20 years with the rise of cognitive healthcare computing / IBM Watson Health.
We'll see. A major health and research center (and a 'rival' of ours) severed their contract to use Watson fairly recently. The rumor is that it was for reasons of poor results and potential information security risks.0 -
antinomiancelestial wrote: »I still think that doctors should be willing to take complaints from larger patients seriously rather than dismissing everything as weight-related. I've heard of people having undiagnosed tumors, even, because doctors just assumed whatever was wrong had to do with weight/could wait to be dealt with until the person was thinner.
Thankfully this way well become a moot point in the next 10-20 years with the rise of cognitive healthcare computing / IBM Watson Health.
We'll see. A major health and research center (and a 'rival' of ours) severed their contract to use Watson fairly recently. The rumor is that it was for reasons of poor results and potential information security risks.
Ooh, interesting.
The potential seems enormous for healthcare but let's see if the execution matches it.0 -
I thought that the 'Health at Any Size' group were advocating against those health professionals that were blaming overweight and obesity for bad health in general and actually avoiding resposibility. In other words health professionals who didn't take the time to investigate overweight patients and carry out tests for markers and illnesses and instead were quick to base diagnosis on bmi, blaming patients for being lazy and overeating, or eating 'unhealthy foods'. This irresponsible attitude making the more positive objective of 'health at any size' impossible.
I think that whether someone is high on the bmi scale or of low bmi, they deserve responsible, thorough diagnosis and a high standard of health care. Everyone is paying for it.
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FatPorkyChop wrote: »I just had the shock of my life, I actually decided to go on blogs, sites and reading their posts...
The movement have nothing to do with the so called fat shaming, their message is full of hatred and simply crazy dangerous...
Please go and check it out by yourself!
> thisisthinprivilege.org
Realize that the site's "stories" are mostly *kitten* made up by people trolling them. Poe's Law applies.3 -
coreyreichle wrote: »Fat shaming convinced me to lose weight. r/fatpeoplehate was a great motivator for me.
And it has the opposite effect on many. All the times my mother nagged me about my weight and told me nobody would ever be able to love me if I was fat, that just made me feel hopeless, powerless, and defeated. And when I felt those things I wanted to eat as a form of self-comfort.11 -
What is this new mental health pandemic sweeping the globe causing billions of people to eat above their maintenance calories?
I think we've evolved that way--much of human history involved periods of low food/starvation. We were made to eat as much as we could when we could and store fat for lean times. Then our science out-paced our evolution. Food is more widely available, at all times, but much of that food is high in calories, often empty calories. Our ancestors likely would have been fat too if they'd had donuts on every corner.3 -
When will humans ever understand that NO human makes long term changes for better health from external forces but by only internal forces.
I had to come to understand I was rushing towards a premature death from my fatal attraction to carb abuse in my case. After I realized I was in denial then I internally decided to change my WOE (Way Of Eating) to reverse my health decline. That was over two years ago.
This applies to everything in life not was one's WOE.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »When will humans ever understand that NO human makes long term changes for better health from external forces but by only internal forces.
I had to come to understand I was rushing towards a premature death from my fatal attraction to carb abuse in my case. After I realized I was in denial then I internally decided to change my WOE (Way Of Eating) to reverse my health decline. That was over two years ago.
This applies to everything in life not was one's WOE.
Actually, one of the major things that affects whether people successfully lose weight or not is whether they believe they have a strong need to do so. This may have to do with social pressure, but statistically a huge driver is getting a bad health diagnosis or warning -- that often helps people change behavior and lose weight. I think that's from the outside. A lot of people who were going on thinking "oh, I should lose weight and will, tomorrow," for years are actually spurred to action.
For other people it's other things. I never had a health issue, but got to the point where I just couldn't stand it anymore. It's harder when I'm generally okay with myself, even though I'd like to lose a few more lbs -- for me I need to find other incentives.
I'd call a bad health issue/fear of death something from outside. It's that concrete reason to make sacrifices or change that sometimes people seem to need. (IMO, one part of weight loss is being able to identify a concrete reason.)4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »When will humans ever understand that NO human makes long term changes for better health from external forces but by only internal forces.
I had to come to understand I was rushing towards a premature death from my fatal attraction to carb abuse in my case. After I realized I was in denial then I internally decided to change my WOE (Way Of Eating) to reverse my health decline. That was over two years ago.
This applies to everything in life not was one's WOE.
Actually, one of the major things that affects whether people successfully lose weight or not is whether they believe they have a strong need to do so. This may have to do with social pressure, but statistically a huge driver is getting a bad health diagnosis or warning -- that often helps people change behavior and lose weight. I think that's from the outside. A lot of people who were going on thinking "oh, I should lose weight and will, tomorrow," for years are actually spurred to action.
For other people it's other things. I never had a health issue, but got to the point where I just couldn't stand it anymore. It's harder when I'm generally okay with myself, even though I'd like to lose a few more lbs -- for me I need to find other incentives.
I'd call a bad health issue/fear of death something from outside. It's that concrete reason to make sacrifices or change that sometimes people seem to need. (IMO, one part of weight loss is being able to identify a concrete reason.)
I see your points but the "fear of death" can ONLY be an Internal force because it is only a mental force inside of one. Now if you are talking about getting and believing External info then making Internal mental changes I agree.1 -
People hate fat people, tattoos, orange hair, men who want to be Siberian husky dogs that are married to their cars, other faiths/political parties/races/sexes/what have you; because they don't have passions to invest their lives in. So when they get your own lives, they you won't be so concerned with others' lives.5
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CORRECTION: when they get their own lives, they won't be so concerned with others' lives.3
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CipherZero wrote: »FatPorkyChop wrote: »I just had the shock of my life, I actually decided to go on blogs, sites and reading their posts...
The movement have nothing to do with the so called fat shaming, their message is full of hatred and simply crazy dangerous...
Please go and check it out by yourself!
> thisisthinprivilege.org
Realize that the site's "stories" are mostly *kitten* made up by people trolling them. Poe's Law applies.
You obviously haven't read the work of Virgie Tovar, Marilyn Wann, Ragen Chastain, Kath Reid, Lindy West or Jes Baker.
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Some people also have legitimate medical contributions to their anger issue, which may result in abusing their family members.
Be it weight or anger management, the number of people with a legitimate medical cause is quite small.
Many, if not most of the most common mental health issues are real, legitimate medical issues. What we know about brain chemistry is really both quite remarkable and very limited1 -
nevadavis1 wrote: »What is this new mental health pandemic sweeping the globe causing billions of people to eat above their maintenance calories?
I think we've evolved that way--much of human history involved periods of low food/starvation. We were made to eat as much as we could when we could and store fat for lean times. Then our science out-paced our evolution. Food is more widely available, at all times, but much of that food is high in calories, often empty calories. Our ancestors likely would have been fat too if they'd had donuts on every corner.
Evolutionary changes in a species take many generations. The industrial world has developed the obesity problem in a very short time.3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »nevadavis1 wrote: »What is this new mental health pandemic sweeping the globe causing billions of people to eat above their maintenance calories?
I think we've evolved that way--much of human history involved periods of low food/starvation. We were made to eat as much as we could when we could and store fat for lean times. Then our science out-paced our evolution. Food is more widely available, at all times, but much of that food is high in calories, often empty calories. Our ancestors likely would have been fat too if they'd had donuts on every corner.
Evolutionary changes in a species take many generations. The industrial world has developed the obesity problem in a very short time.
This is pretty obvious when you look at races like the Hadza: one of the few hunter-gatherer civs left in the modern world. These people will gorge themselves at times of availability, sometimes throwing down 10k+ kcals at once in things like honey, tubers and meats. They still manage to average in the 8-13% bodyfat range for males.
Something about that whole "have to actually work for food and don't know how big the next meal will be anyway" allows for such things, with no ill consequences on health.3 -
CipherZero wrote: »FatPorkyChop wrote: »I just had the shock of my life, I actually decided to go on blogs, sites and reading their posts...
The movement have nothing to do with the so called fat shaming, their message is full of hatred and simply crazy dangerous...
Please go and check it out by yourself!
> thisisthinprivilege.org
Realize that the site's "stories" are mostly *kitten* made up by people trolling them. Poe's Law applies.
You obviously haven't read the work of Virgie Tovar, Marilyn Wann, Ragen Chastain, Kath Reid, Lindy West or Jes Baker.
Or Kelli Jean Drinkwater, Julianne Wotasik, Kath Read, Jeanette DePattie...
Ragen Chastain flat out told a woman not to lose weight after the woman's doctor said that weight loss could prevent her from going blind.2 -
heiliskrimsli wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »FatPorkyChop wrote: »I just had the shock of my life, I actually decided to go on blogs, sites and reading their posts...
The movement have nothing to do with the so called fat shaming, their message is full of hatred and simply crazy dangerous...
Please go and check it out by yourself!
> thisisthinprivilege.org
Realize that the site's "stories" are mostly *kitten* made up by people trolling them. Poe's Law applies.
You obviously haven't read the work of Virgie Tovar, Marilyn Wann, Ragen Chastain, Kath Reid, Lindy West or Jes Baker.
Or Kelli Jean Drinkwater, Julianne Wotasik, Kath Read, Jeanette DePattie...
Ragen Chastain flat out told a woman not to lose weight after the woman's doctor said that weight loss could prevent her from going blind.
What do doctors know anyway? They're just hiding their 'fatphobia' under the guise of medical qualifications /sarcasm
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heiliskrimsli wrote: »CipherZero wrote: »FatPorkyChop wrote: »I just had the shock of my life, I actually decided to go on blogs, sites and reading their posts...
The movement have nothing to do with the so called fat shaming, their message is full of hatred and simply crazy dangerous...
Please go and check it out by yourself!
> thisisthinprivilege.org
Realize that the site's "stories" are mostly *kitten* made up by people trolling them. Poe's Law applies.
You obviously haven't read the work of Virgie Tovar, Marilyn Wann, Ragen Chastain, Kath Reid, Lindy West or Jes Baker.
Or Kelli Jean Drinkwater, Julianne Wotasik, Kath Read, Jeanette DePattie...
Ragen Chastain flat out told a woman not to lose weight after the woman's doctor said that weight loss could prevent her from going blind.
What do doctors know anyway? They're just hiding their 'fatphobia' under the guise of medical qualifications /sarcasm
That is exactly what Ragen Chastain believes, minus the /sarcasm.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »nevadavis1 wrote: »What is this new mental health pandemic sweeping the globe causing billions of people to eat above their maintenance calories?
I think we've evolved that way--much of human history involved periods of low food/starvation. We were made to eat as much as we could when we could and store fat for lean times. Then our science out-paced our evolution. Food is more widely available, at all times, but much of that food is high in calories, often empty calories. Our ancestors likely would have been fat too if they'd had donuts on every corner.
Evolutionary changes in a species take many generations. The industrial world has developed the obesity problem in a very short time.
This is pretty obvious when you look at races like the Hadza: one of the few hunter-gatherer civs left in the modern world. These people will gorge themselves at times of availability, sometimes throwing down 10k+ kcals at once in things like honey, tubers and meats. They still manage to average in the 8-13% bodyfat range for males.
Something about that whole "have to actually work for food and don't know how big the next meal will be anyway" allows for such things, with no ill consequences on health.
And that means the next meal could be two or three days from now, not "I don't know if I'm going to have time for lunch today."
Going 24 hours without food occasionally for someone of normal health will not hurt them at all.2 -
Packerjohn wrote: »nevadavis1 wrote: »What is this new mental health pandemic sweeping the globe causing billions of people to eat above their maintenance calories?
I think we've evolved that way--much of human history involved periods of low food/starvation. We were made to eat as much as we could when we could and store fat for lean times. Then our science out-paced our evolution. Food is more widely available, at all times, but much of that food is high in calories, often empty calories. Our ancestors likely would have been fat too if they'd had donuts on every corner.
Evolutionary changes in a species take many generations. The industrial world has developed the obesity problem in a very short time.
Surely you understand that the poster you are responding to was not at all suggesting that recent evolutionary changes are why we are (on average) fat now, right? Your comment therefore does not seem to follow.
The poster said that in the environment in which we evolved food was more scarce, not nearly as available (and not nearly in as convenient, high cal packages) as it often is now. We evolved under different circumstances and so tend to find it easy to want to eat when food is available (precisely because it was common for food to not be available for periods of time and it was important to be able to eat when it was). Not everyone is this way, but that humans biologically are often prone to becoming overweight when food is easily available in huge amounts and in forms that appeal to our senses is not surprising and does not suggest there is something sick about us, that we'd all be perfect intuitive eaters if we weren't suffering from some preexisting problem, as some claim.
Obviously (IMO), this does NOT mean that we can't lose weight or find ways of dealing with our instincts and desires when it comes to the prevalence of food. I think we can -- figuring that out is also one of our skills as humans, IMO. For a long time culture played a role in it (customs about eating), and for many of us the answer is to impose our own structure in some way so that it's not all about "food there, I want, I eat."1
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