NON PALEO please .. Coconut oil v olive oil (virgin)
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I like it for cooking because it smells better than olive oil.0
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Well, I'm Paleo. .... but I wanted to share my story of the wonders of coconut oil. I eat at least 4 table spoons of coconut oil a day and went from a size 10 to a size 2 in 3 months. I also dropped 25 lbs.
I lost 30 lbs from Feb. 2011 to April 2012 then stalled until Feb 2013. Then I started eating a lot more coconut oil and started dropping weight like crazy.
Coconut oil is very good for your metabolism so is avocado oil.
I have also put in on after my shower while still wet for years. It makes your skin gorgeous.0 -
Olive oil = High in PUFA = Inflammation0
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That article is just one of many. I could post 20 or 30 more recent ones, but I get the impression that may not suffice either. That study didn't mention coconut oil, it just common knowledge regarding MCT's.....coconut oil activates your metabolism better when it comes to burning fat calories.
Have any peer reviewed scientific studies that backs up that assertion?
http://www.lee-annewann.com/coconut-magic.aspx
and i'm not entering into debate. I have looked into it. I don't really care if people disagree. Theres enough to convince me.
No debate for sure. You believe a page of blog marketing backed by nothing resembling actual science. Seems legit.
I think the answer to your question was a 'no' then
see, this kinda crap is why these forums aren't the resource they could be. ANECDOTAL evidence is good enough for many. Oh and the 'blogger'? She's a highly respected NZ nutritionist, trainer and health guru. Works with one of our national teams. So yeah, I'd listen to her.
Anecdotal evidence is good enough? Why not put the extra effort into finding research based and not just one person's opinion?
Have you been to a nutritionist? I've been to a couple and can tell you they aren't all equal and often give info on how to improve one person's health- not what is best overall.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9570335Fatty acids undergo different metabolic fates depending on their chain length and degree of saturation. The purpose of this review is to examine the metabolic handling of medium chain fatty acids (MCFA) with specific reference to intermediary metabolism and postprandial and total energy expenditure. The metabolic discrimination between varying fatty acids begins in the GI tract, with MCFA being absorbed more efficiently than long chain fatty acids (LFCA). Subsequently, MCFA are transported in the portal blood directly to the liver, unlike LCFA which are incorporated into chylomicrons and transported through lymph. These structure based differences continue through the processes of fat utilization; MCFA enter the mitochondria independently of the carnitine transport system and undergo preferential oxidation. Variations in ketogenic and lipogenic capacity also exist. Such metabolic discrimination is supported by data in animals and humans showing increases in postprandial energy expenditure after short term feeding with MCFA. In long term MCFA feeding in animals, weight accretion has been attenuated. These differences in metabolic handling of MCFA versus LCFA are considered with the conclusion that MCFA hold potential as weight loss agents.
That's a 15 yo review article. In the 15 years since that article there are just as many studies showing little benefit of MCFAs as there are showing benefit, so my impression is that the jury is still out.
I get very suspicious of 'nutrition experts' making these unsubstantiated claims about the amazing properties of coconut oil. In my opinion there need to be a lot more well designed human studies before any definite conclusions can be made.0 -
A caloric deficit will get you a flat belly, not a jar of oil.( I read its good for getting a flat belly .... And lowering cholesterol ... anyone seen results?)
Oh really? Look at my belly. It's fat as a board and well muscled. I eat a lot of coconut oil, avacodos and nuts and seeds which are high in calories and lost over 8 inches off my belly in a year. I attribute it too a diet high in healthy fats (and lifting weights.)
You couldn't be more wrong.0 -
Well, I'm Paleo. .... but I wanted to share my story of the wonders of coconut oil. I eat at least 4 table spoons of coconut oil a day and went from a size 10 to a size 2 in 3 months. I also dropped 25 lbs.
I lost 30 lbs from Feb. 2011 to April 2012 then stalled until Feb 2013. Then I started eating a lot more coconut oil and started dropping weight like crazy.
Coconut oil is very good for your metabolism so is avocado oil.
I have also put in on after my shower while still wet for years. It makes your skin gorgeous.
I have a somewhat similar experience, though I'm not Paleo. I've been using coconut oils for years, but had slacked off using it for foods over the last couple of years. Since I increased my internal use of it again in March, I've seen much more steady weight losses and strength gains and extremely higher increases in energy levels. Some of the benefits of using it that I did not attribute to coconut oil in previous years, I am now seeing were probably due to my frequent ingestion of coconut oil back then, since I am seeing those positive effects again since returning to the use of it in my foods.
Use it, don't use it... I don't really care. I just wanted to share my own experiences with it.
Don't worry...be happy. 0 -
Wrong. It's high in oleic acid a monounsaturated fat. And pufa's are not inflammatory, actually they are the opposite, unless over consumed. Linoleic acid (essential fatty acid Omega 6) is converted to gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) in the body and then is then further broken down to arachidonic acid (AA), which, then can be inflammatory. Like ALA, a plant based Omega 3 where the conversion to EPA and then further elongated into DHA is not efficiently done either. Some Paleo proponents somehow believe all omega 6's are inflammatory and if some can be then none is better doesn't take context and dosage into account.Olive oil = High in PUFA = Inflammation0 -
coconut oil activates your metabolism better when it comes to burning fat calories. It has so freaking many health benefits including assisting with hypothyroid disorder and other metabolic syndromes, hair, skin, etc etc etc.
Evidence, please.0 -
Some information on Dr. Newport's research and her treatment of her own husband's Alzheimer's caused dementia with coconut oil.
http://www.coconutketones.com/whatifcure.pdf
http://www.coconutketones.com/0 -
A caloric deficit will get you a flat belly, not a jar of oil.( I read its good for getting a flat belly .... And lowering cholesterol ... anyone seen results?)
^^^^This plus exercise & nutrition.0 -
why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?0
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Use it, don't use it... I don't really care. I just wanted to share my own experiences with it. Don't worry...be happy.
Exactly. I just wanted to put my experience with it out there.
It works wonderfully for me and if people want more proof.... oh well. Google is their friend.0 -
A caloric deficit will get you a flat belly, not a jar of oil.( I read its good for getting a flat belly .... And lowering cholesterol ... anyone seen results?)
Oh really? Look at my belly. It's fat as a board and well muscled. I eat a lot of coconut oil, avacodos and nuts and seeds which are high in calories and lost over 8 inches off my belly in a year. I attribute it too a diet high in healthy fats (and lifting weights.)
You couldn't be more wrong.
Do you also think that killing turkeys causes winter?0 -
I have 1 tablespoon of coconut oil in my morning shake.0
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From what I could see in a quick jaunt through some of the research, it seems the jury's still out. In non-human tests, coconut oil seems to reduce LDL (good) but increase tri-glycerides (bad) -- so a wash? Speaking of wash, the evidence on it being good for your hair, applied topically before and after washing, seems solid.0
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why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil. 0 -
why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?0 -
why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
You use whatever extra virgins you have sitting around and make them press it for you.0 -
Both are good! Eat them both!0
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coconut oil activates your metabolism better when it comes to burning fat calories.
Have any peer reviewed scientific studies that backs up that assertion?
http://www.lee-annewann.com/coconut-magic.aspx
and i'm not entering into debate. I have looked into it. I don't really care if people disagree. Theres enough to convince me.
I'm not getting into the debate either because frankly, I don't know enough about the topic (nor do I care to really) however what you linked looks more like a blog. A peer reviewed scientific study would be... peer reviewed scientific study. These kinds of blog sites can say anything but obviously we cannot call them research. I'm sure there are sites out there that say drinking NaOH is good for your health and even go as far as saying Ben Afflec is a good actor. Can't trust everything on the internet ya know.
This thread could be of some use to you perhaps?
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/840378-research
Hey you! Leave my Ben Afflec alone!!! :laugh:0 -
why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
You use whatever extra virgins you have sitting around and make them press it for you.
lol @ virgins
press them with what though?0 -
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
I highly doubt you can, but then, I'm don't follow a Paleo diet, so I just don't care. ;-D0 -
it's fat full of calories 9 calories per gram ALL FAT. I just remember when I was in school that coconut and palm oil were the devil oils, and that was what some people were postulating was causing obesity. Coconut oil is more of a saturated fat hard at room temperature while olive oil is a monounsaturated fat liquid at room temperature both have negative and positives like all fats (including lard ). Remember to portion control with fat and enjoy it because fat is what really makes food taste good. 0
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why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
Duh Mrs. Cavewoman, not Mr. Caveman cuz he was only good for hunting lazy SOB, she would get rock pure alkaline rocks because Mrs. Cavewoman was concerned about blood acidity and then she would take her big extra virgin wolly mammoth and smash the coconuts between the rocks until a fine oil was pressed. Then the pterodactyl would collect the oil and smear it all over her voluptuous cavewoman body in preparation for the ritualistic fertility dance after the harvesting of the unrefined coconuts. Gah, learn something I suggest watching episodes of Fred Flinstone.0 -
why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
You use whatever extra virgins you have sitting around and make them press it for you.
lol @ virgins
press them with what though?
Well... yeah, we have reached an impasse here, haven't we. The problem with coconut oil as a "paleo" food is that its manufacture entails discarding the coconut meat, which is itself quite nutritious. I would think that a caveman pressed for resources would not want to throw away any part of the coconut that's edible or usable. So coconut oil seems like a refined, modern indulgence--even the "extra virgin cold pressed" kind.
I have made coconut *milk* from whole coconuts using nothing more than a hammer, a screw driver, and a mortar and pestle. (This was part of a Thai-food-from-scratch cooking event.) It was a pain in the *kitten* and took forever.0 -
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
I highly doubt you can, but then, I'm don't follow a Paleo diet, so I just don't care. ;-D
LOL :drinker:
I'm still waiting for any palaeo dieters to explain to me how to get coconut oil from coconuts using only palaeolithic technology. Bonus points if you can show me any references to this from peer-reviewed palaeoanthropology journals....0 -
why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
You use whatever extra virgins you have sitting around and make them press it for you.
lol @ virgins
press them with what though?
Well... yeah, we have reached an impasse here, haven't we. The problem with coconut oil as a "paleo" food is that its manufacture entails discarding the coconut meat, which is itself quite nutritious. I would think that a caveman pressed for resources would not want to throw away any part of the coconut that's edible or usable. So coconut oil seems like a refined, modern indulgence--even the "extra virgin cold pressed" kind.
I have made coconut *milk* from whole coconuts using nothing more than a hammer, a screw driver, and a mortar and pestle. (This was part of a Thai-food-from-scratch cooking event.) It was a pain in the *kitten* and took forever.
coconut milk =/= coconut oil, additionally, a screwdriver is made of metal, and a pestle and mortar is not palaeolithic either. You could probably mash up vegetables using palaeolithic technology, but mashed vegetables =/= vegetable oil
vegetable oil is not a palaeo food. Palaeolithic people would have eaten the whole coconut (or whatever other fruit/vegetable)0 -
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
I highly doubt you can, but then, I'm don't follow a Paleo diet, so I just don't care. ;-D
LOL :drinker:
I'm still waiting for any palaeo dieters to explain to me how to get coconut oil from coconuts using only palaeolithic technology. Bonus points if you can show me any references to this from peer-reviewed palaeoanthropology journals....
P.S. Please do not take my post above as an endorsement of Paleo, which I consider to be borderline insane.
And to actually answer OP's question, the benefits of olive oil are fairly well established, especially if it is eaten as part of the Mediterranean diet. Coconut oil has had a more controversial history, though it has become a fashionable food thanks to the efforts of certain raw foodists and Paleo people. I like the taste of coconut oil, and it makes a versatile substitute for butter when you're out of butter (for example, it makes fairly tasty truffles because it is solid at 70 F and rock solid if refrigerated).
You do not need to make a choice between these oils. Eat both if you like them. The best diet is a versatile one.0 -
why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
You use whatever extra virgins you have sitting around and make them press it for you.
lol @ virgins
press them with what though?
Well... yeah, we have reached an impasse here, haven't we. The problem with coconut oil as a "paleo" food is that its manufacture entails discarding the coconut meat, which is itself quite nutritious. I would think that a caveman pressed for resources would not want to throw away any part of the coconut that's edible or usable. So coconut oil seems like a refined, modern indulgence--even the "extra virgin cold pressed" kind.
I have made coconut *milk* from whole coconuts using nothing more than a hammer, a screw driver, and a mortar and pestle. (This was part of a Thai-food-from-scratch cooking event.) It was a pain in the *kitten* and took forever.
coconut milk =/= coconut oil, additionally, a screwdriver is made of metal, and a pestle and mortar is not palaeolithic either. You could probably mash up vegetables using palaeolithic technology, but mashed vegetables =/= vegetable oil
it's not a palaeo food. Palaeolithic people would have eaten the whole coconut,
Yes, I know the difference. Hence the * * around "milk" in my post.0 -
why is coconut oil considered paleo? Can you explain how to refine coconut oil using only palaeolithic technology please?
Not *refined* coconut oil Unrefined, extra-virgin, cold pressed coconut oil.
okay, but how do you get from coconuts to that using only palaeolithic technology?
You use whatever extra virgins you have sitting around and make them press it for you.
lol @ virgins
press them with what though?
Well... yeah, we have reached an impasse here, haven't we. The problem with coconut oil as a "paleo" food is that its manufacture entails discarding the coconut meat, which is itself quite nutritious. I would think that a caveman pressed for resources would not want to throw away any part of the coconut that's edible or usable. So coconut oil seems like a refined, modern indulgence--even the "extra virgin cold pressed" kind.
I have made coconut *milk* from whole coconuts using nothing more than a hammer, a screw driver, and a mortar and pestle. (This was part of a Thai-food-from-scratch cooking event.) It was a pain in the *kitten* and took forever.
coconut milk =/= coconut oil, additionally, a screwdriver is made of metal, and a pestle and mortar is not palaeolithic either. You could probably mash up vegetables using palaeolithic technology, but mashed vegetables =/= vegetable oil
it's not a palaeo food. Palaeolithic people would have eaten the whole coconut,
Yes, I know the difference. Hence the * * around "milk" in my post.
yeah, that's cool. I'm just making the point that the way palaeo dieters classify food as palaeo or non-palaeo is totally arbitary and not based on science
ETA: I agree with your post before that one too. Eat both.
ETA#2: I don't even have anything against the concept on which palaeo is based on, i.e. eating the diet that we evolved for, except that a) it's unnecessarily restrictive and b) humans' ecological niche is adaptability. (and c) all the pseudoscience that gets bandied around the internet about it....!!!!) No point giving up foods that your body can digest just fine, it's common sense not to eat stuff you're allergic or intolerant to. And it's true that foods more recently introduced into the human diet are more likely to cause allergies or intolerances, but that still doesn't mean that people who can tolerate them just fine should give them up just because their ancestors from 50,000 years ago didn't eat them.0
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