gained 8lbs in last week
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Naw dude, I don't care why you're on. It could be S&Gs for all I care, I think PEDs are fine especially stuff like GH for the >30 crowd.
I'm just curious the level you're at, because I KNOW I'm not at 680. I want to find that data now. What's your treatment? IM? SubQ?0 -
IM once a week. It was once every 2 weeks but my levels were still not going higher after the cream. Test Cyp 200mgs a week puts me at roughly 680 total test. They started me 200mgs twice a month for 6 months. Some guys can be 1000 in total test with nothing. That's why I say in regards to this I fall in the normal range. See your doctor if you think your low.Naw dude, I don't care why you're on. It could be S&Gs for all I care, I think PEDs are fine especially stuff like GH for the >30 crowd.
I'm just curious the level you're at, because I KNOW I'm not at 680. I want to find that data now. What's your treatment? IM? SubQ?0 -
Yeah, I'm planning on doing a new blood panel here soon and go over it with him.
IM once a week. It was once every 2 weeks but my levels were still not going higher after the cream. Test Cyp 200mgs a week puts me at roughly 680 total test. They started me 200mgs twice a month for 6 months. Some guys can be 1000 in total test with nothing. That's why I say in regards to this I fall in the normal range. See your doctor if you think your low.Naw dude, I don't care why you're on. It could be S&Gs for all I care, I think PEDs are fine especially stuff like GH for the >30 crowd.
I'm just curious the level you're at, because I KNOW I'm not at 680. I want to find that data now. What's your treatment? IM? SubQ?
i've already had an initial discussion with him about GH, because of a knee rehab issue that's going on longer than I want it to. Adding trt to the discussion would only make sense. I'm not big on im or subq, I'd like oral... but I don't think any of those really work well. I need to read more about that.
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Injections are the way to go. Cream the absorption rate is all over the place. I got rashes from it. Pills don't work my friend got those. Once a week injection is the way to do it. My doctor gives me a script and I take it to cvs. It lasts line 3 months. Have a feeling this posts are going to weird some people out lol
Yeah, I'm planning on doing a new blood panel here soon and go over it with him.
IM once a week. It was once every 2 weeks but my levels were still not going higher after the cream. Test Cyp 200mgs a week puts me at roughly 680 total test. They started me 200mgs twice a month for 6 months. Some guys can be 1000 in total test with nothing. That's why I say in regards to this I fall in the normal range. See your doctor if you think your low.Naw dude, I don't care why you're on. It could be S&Gs for all I care, I think PEDs are fine especially stuff like GH for the >30 crowd.
I'm just curious the level you're at, because I KNOW I'm not at 680. I want to find that data now. What's your treatment? IM? SubQ?
i've already had an initial discussion with him about GH, because of a knee rehab issue that's going on longer than I want it to. Adding trt to the discussion would only make sense. I'm not big on im or subq, I'd like oral... but I don't think any of those really work well. I need to read more about that.0 -
lol, yeah, these posts skirt a line, but we're talking about use via doctor's management. I'll be honest though, I'm dead scared of needles. Talking immediate fight or flight.
That's why I said t-nation btw.
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I went to doctor for shots originally. After they saw I had no reactions over time I was given the option to do them at home. Had to schedule an appointment with one of the nurses. She went over it with me and had me do it. It was easy. Afterwards I was like that's what I was afraid of...seriously? It was a little pinch. My 3 year old hurts me way more then that. He likes to climb above me and jump with his knees in to my back lol I just laugh it off he is my little manlol, yeah, these posts skirt a line, but we're talking about use via doctor's management. I'll be honest though, I'm dead scared of needles. Talking immediate fight or flight.
That's why I said t-nation btw.
) energy to keep up with the kids is the best part. Screw the working out. Keeping up with the kids outside is the best part of hrt. 0 -
I'm going to harass my doctor for a meet up then. Either that, or "get treated" next time I go to Brasil. lol.0
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Need a shave today but water seems to be going down. 253 today so not too bad. Was definitely weird jumping the way I did. It was water though for sure. Now need to shave lol0 -
not bad, any sides from the trt?0
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It's a low dose so no. Bad sides were before I started it lol0
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »jof - I don't think there is or needs to be a pro or con pkn camp.
just out of curiousity, pkn, what are you at as far as injections, and your t level? Any GH?
I disagree. You're either for pkn or you're against him. There is no middle ground.
Everyone pick a side! It's time to get off the fence!
ETA: Maybe I'm just pro-pkn because us seemingly random characters username people have to stick together.
Stay on the fence, I've been meaning to go to a shooting range lately.
How well can you make the sound, "ding!" ?
Before you start shooting? Very well.
After? Probably not so much.
...so the timing probably isn't what you're looking for.0 -
redfisher1974 wrote: »jofjltncb6 wrote: »redfisher1974 wrote: »Not dissing OP, I'm sure he is on the up and up and needs his HRT. That being said I just find it odd that whenever I meet someone on HRT because he really needs it to get to "normal" test levels said person is always jacked up and way bigger then he could be without the HRT that only is suppose to bring you to a "normal level"
I've been on TRT for two years now. Still trying to dial in the appropriate dose. My last total T test was 191.
So there. You just met someone on HRT (still) trying to get to "normal" test levels who isn't jacked. That said, I am about 20 pounds heavier (at 190) thanks to a concentrated effort to eat at a caloric surplus. Or maybe it's just from the *awesome* 191 test levels.
Nice to meet you, Have a nice day.
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IM once a week. It was once every 2 weeks but my levels were still not going higher after the cream. Test Cyp 200mgs a week puts me at roughly 680 total test. They started me 200mgs twice a month for 6 months. Some guys can be 1000 in total test with nothing. That's why I say in regards to this I fall in the normal range. See your doctor if you think your low.Naw dude, I don't care why you're on. It could be S&Gs for all I care, I think PEDs are fine especially stuff like GH for the >30 crowd.
I'm just curious the level you're at, because I KNOW I'm not at 680. I want to find that data now. What's your treatment? IM? SubQ?
I wish the weekly had me at 680. That would be ideal IMHO. Test cyp 200 mg/week put me at 1500 total test. 200 mg/2 weeks put me at ~200. One of the reasons it's taking me so long to get the appropriate dosage dialed in. We're trying 200 mg/10 days now.
And seconded about seeing your doctor. Knowing you're getting good stuff is kind of a big deal for this. And there are more things that need to be tested regularly than just the test levels. That said, my doc is just a PCP. I suspect specialists in the field would probably test for even more things.0 -
8 lbs of muscle gain in one week is completely impossible unless your using roids and even then it's still impossible. You just have water retention going on, nothing else. If you could find a way to gain 8lbs of muscle in a week, then you should bottle it and sell that sh8. Also, 63 lbs weight loss in 8 weeks is kind of hard to believe while retaining as much muscle as you have but hey, I guess if your super stuffing protein and carbs into your body, anything is possible.0
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lol, yeah, these posts skirt a line, but we're talking about use via doctor's management. I'll be honest though, I'm dead scared of needles. Talking immediate fight or flight.
That's why I said t-nation btw.
I hated needles too, a few years ago. Now, after giving myself about a hundred injections, it's no big deal. Doesn't feel good, but no real anxiety about it.0 -
jofjltncb6 wrote: »redfisher1974 wrote: »Not dissing OP, I'm sure he is on the up and up and needs his HRT. That being said I just find it odd that whenever I meet someone on HRT because he really needs it to get to "normal" test levels said person is always jacked up and way bigger then he could be without the HRT that only is suppose to bring you to a "normal level"
I've been on TRT for two years now. Still trying to dial in the appropriate dose. My last total T test was 191.
So there. You just met someone on HRT (still) trying to get to "normal" test levels who isn't jacked. That said, I am about 20 pounds heavier (at 190) thanks to a concentrated effort to eat at a caloric surplus. Or maybe it's just from the *awesome* 191 test levels.
Seriously?!? An abuse flag for this post??
:huh:
Don't ever change, MFP.
Don't. Ever. Change.
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It's weird how 200mgs a week put you at 1500 and half that put you at under 200. It's probably the half life running out. You can do 100mgs once a week to see if that helps level it out. It really sounds like the half life is done and you crash.jofjltncb6 wrote: »lol, yeah, these posts skirt a line, but we're talking about use via doctor's management. I'll be honest though, I'm dead scared of needles. Talking immediate fight or flight.
That's why I said t-nation btw.
I hated needles too, a few years ago. Now, after giving myself about a hundred injections, it's no big deal. Doesn't feel good, but no real anxiety about it.
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It's true I lost that. My diet was horrible before. Probably 1000 carbs a day, sugars and preservatives. On keto diet you cut everything out. Look at my pictures. The one I am bloated in the shirt is 313. I am 6'1 and worked out for over 10 years. Then look at the other pics. I even have pictures of the scale as I went down lol wife hated me sending those to her but I still kept them. Since they are date stamped I know how much I lost when. That's why I took those.8 lbs of muscle gain in one week is completely impossible unless your using roids and even then it's still impossible. You just have water retention going on, nothing else. If you could find a way to gain 8lbs of muscle in a week, then you should bottle it and sell that sh8. Also, 63 lbs weight loss in 8 weeks is kind of hard to believe while retaining as much muscle as you have but hey, I guess if your super stuffing protein and carbs into your body, anything is possible.
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It's weird how 200mgs a week put you at 1500 and half that put you at under 200. It's probably the half life running out. You can do 100mgs once a week to see if that helps level it out. It really sounds like the half life is done and you crash.jofjltncb6 wrote: »lol, yeah, these posts skirt a line, but we're talking about use via doctor's management. I'll be honest though, I'm dead scared of needles. Talking immediate fight or flight.
That's why I said t-nation btw.
I hated needles too, a few years ago. Now, after giving myself about a hundred injections, it's no big deal. Doesn't feel good, but no real anxiety about it.
It is very weird. Will really be curious to see what this new every-10-days dosage does.0 -
Stupid question. Quick googling showed an average range for an adult male between 250-1050 (and I'm assuming optimum would be somewhere in the middle of that range). What levels are people doing steroids to get "pumped up" (and not legally) looking at? Twice that? Three times that? I guess it just seems odd because the normal range seems so huge. (ETA: I mean it's a wide range, not that normal is so high.)
Also, good luck to both of you as you lose 1% per year after 30 according to the website I found. :flowerforyou:0 -
Lmfao yes normal is what you mentioned. Optimal would be 850-1000. I am happy where mine is. It's tricky because your body varies so much. Plus everyone is different. The dose I need could be less then what other guys need. So many variables that's why I went thru my family doctor. She is really nice and good with my kids when I have to bring them in for the occasional cold or flu.Stupid question. Quick googling showed an average range for an adult male between 250-1050 (and I'm assuming optimum would be somewhere in the middle of that range). What levels are people doing steroids to get "pumped up" (and not legally) looking at? Twice that? Three times that? I guess it just seems odd because the normal range seems so huge. (ETA: I mean it's a wide range, not that normal is so high.)
Also, good luck to both of you as you lose 1% per year after 30 according to the website I found. :flowerforyou:
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sure, easy, anything can be done..0
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I have seen blood work from guys I know that juice. My buddy had his free testosterone greater then 1600. The test ended at 1600. His total was almost 5000. He competes in bodybuilding so I understand but that's not for me lolStupid question. Quick googling showed an average range for an adult male between 250-1050 (and I'm assuming optimum would be somewhere in the middle of that range). What levels are people doing steroids to get "pumped up" (and not legally) looking at? Twice that? Three times that? I guess it just seems odd because the normal range seems so huge. (ETA: I mean it's a wide range, not that normal is so high.)
Also, good luck to both of you as you lose 1% per year after 30 according to the website I found. :flowerforyou:
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Stupid question. Quick googling showed an average range for an adult male between 250-1050 (and I'm assuming optimum would be somewhere in the middle of that range). What levels are people doing steroids to get "pumped up" (and not legally) looking at? Twice that? Three times that? I guess it just seems odd because the normal range seems so huge. (ETA: I mean it's a wide range, not that normal is so high.)
Also, good luck to both of you as you lose 1% per year after 30 according to the website I found. :flowerforyou:
People much smarter than I disagree strongly on the answer to your question about normal/ideal. And yes, the normal range *is* vast.
I honestly don't know what levels gear users are reaching, but I suspect it wouldn't be uncommon to be at 2-3k (for a relatively short period of time). The tricky part for them are the side effects/preventing conversion to e/managing the time between cycles.
At an appropriate dose and in an appropriate range, I believe steroids are very safe...but at inappropriate doses and outside an appropriate range, things can go south real quick.0 -
I have seen blood work from guys I know that juice. My buddy had his free testosterone greater then 1600. The test ended at 1600. His total was almost 5000. He competes in bodybuilding so I understand but that's not for me lolStupid question. Quick googling showed an average range for an adult male between 250-1050 (and I'm assuming optimum would be somewhere in the middle of that range). What levels are people doing steroids to get "pumped up" (and not legally) looking at? Twice that? Three times that? I guess it just seems odd because the normal range seems so huge. (ETA: I mean it's a wide range, not that normal is so high.)
Also, good luck to both of you as you lose 1% per year after 30 according to the website I found. :flowerforyou:
That's crazy high. I mean, whatever floats your boat, but hopefully he doesn't have bad side effects for his own sake.0 -
I have seen blood work from guys I know that juice. My buddy had his free testosterone greater then 1600. The test ended at 1600. His total was almost 5000. He competes in bodybuilding so I understand but that's not for me lolStupid question. Quick googling showed an average range for an adult male between 250-1050 (and I'm assuming optimum would be somewhere in the middle of that range). What levels are people doing steroids to get "pumped up" (and not legally) looking at? Twice that? Three times that? I guess it just seems odd because the normal range seems so huge. (ETA: I mean it's a wide range, not that normal is so high.)
Also, good luck to both of you as you lose 1% per year after 30 according to the website I found. :flowerforyou:
That's crazy high. I mean, whatever floats your boat, but hopefully he doesn't have bad side effects for his own sake.
I know but he does it for a living. It's the life style. You don't win shows with normal range hormones lol I prefer to just use hrt from my family doctor lol0 -
KANGOOJUMPS wrote: »sure, easy, anything can be done..
LOLwhat? There are actual limits on what can be done. There are basic universal truths.0 -
AND you still have to work hard.jofjltncb6 wrote: »KANGOOJUMPS wrote: »sure, easy, anything can be done..
LOLwhat? There are actual limits on what can be done. There are basic universal truths.
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AND you still have to work hard.jofjltncb6 wrote: »KANGOOJUMPS wrote: »sure, easy, anything can be done..
LOLwhat? There are actual limits on what can be done. There are basic universal truths.
Good point. I skipped right over the "easy" part and focused on the "anything can be done".0
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