If eating trash makes us sick, why do we keep eating it?
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JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
He's just commenting some nonsense as it looks like he has nothing better do to or anything to really add. Just ignore0 -
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DiabolicalColossus wrote: »DiabolicalColossus wrote: »But if we don't argue about minutiae, people can't sit there and feel superior about themselves.
They can't pat themselves on the back for not eating "junk" food without passive-aggressively saying nonsense like "not all foods are equal" and then talking out the other side of their mouth with "I don't think anyone needs to defend their choices, of course."
That's like saying: "You can eat that cookie if you want, but I won't, because it's not equal to this carrot."
The other person hears: "I'm better because I chose the carrot over the cookie."
It smacks of unnecessary smugness.
You are reading things in that weren't said, implied or even thought.
I did not think that. I didn't try to imply it. I certainly never said it.
You're insulting me for saying things you made up.
Oh, I've seen your handiwork before.
I remember you quite well from when I used to lurk the forums.
You're the one who usually starts whinging about how people discourage "healthy eating".
And how the moderation crowd is afraid that "someone will try to take their donuts away".
I'm tickled that you're insulted, since I didn't even say anything remotely insulting to you.
But I suppose the truth of how you might be perceived could be hurtful.
Good.
You write your own bollocks well enough on your own.
You certainly don't require my help.
I do not now, nor did I ever, believe anyone is worried anyone will take anything away. That kind of thing is said a lot around here. Very condescending people will say, "Don't worry, nobody is trying to take your XYZ away." I don't say it and always think it's very silly (as well as rude) when I see it.
It is obvious that I've personally hurt or offended you at some point and I apologize for it. I'm sorry to report that I don't remember it, but am sure the fault was mine and none of yours.0 -
The question was answered.JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
One needs to take responsibility for what one consumes. No one is force feeding the OP.
No one can make him eat less, he has to find the ability to Moderate his intake.
If he has to moderate by eliminating some foods, then so be it.
So his question was answered. It's the same answers I got and thought were wrong a few years ago. Basically because I wanted the quick fix, didn't want to put the hard work in. Now I do!0 -
You assign yourself undue power.
You don't have what it takes to "hurt" or "offend" me.
However, your denial of past occurrences and empty internet apology are highly amusing.
You'll slip up and expose what you really are again soon enough.
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Junk food and sugar are addictive and we're surrounded by it everyday... it's honestly not our fault we eat so much of it. The industries don't care about our health, they care about profit.1
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
He's just commenting some nonsense as it looks like he has nothing better do to or anything to really add. Just ignore
Pot meet kettle.0 -
This is my last attempt at just communicating. Did he ask how to conquer this, or why we do it? I thought he was remarking that it was odd that people do this and he wanted conjectures as to why it's happening. I'll go back to the hypothetical hangover question. If the OP had asked, "Why do people keep drinking, even though hangovers suck?" People wouldn't have responded with, "you need to practice moderation," they'd say, "Yeah, that's crazy, I do that all of the time, it must just be really fun..." or something that actually answered the question. Anyway, starting to feel the hate, so I guess I'm done.
Practice moderation, everyone. And don't eat at KFC. Or do.0 -
DiabolicalColossus wrote: »You assign yourself undue power.
You don't have what it takes to "hurt" or "offend" me.
However, your denial of past occurrences and empty internet apology are highly amusing.
You'll slip up and expose what you really are again soon enough.
Cheers for now.
I apologize again. It wasn't my intention to call you "weak." Really.
I am, however, quite finished discussing things I never said.0 -
Junk food and sugar are addictive and we're surrounded by it everyday... it's honestly not our fault we eat so much of it. The industries don't care about our health, they care about profit.JeffseekingV wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
He's just commenting some nonsense as it looks like he has nothing better do to or anything to really add. Just ignore
Pot meet kettle.
Useless comment, meet your father.
What in holy hell does that person have to do with me? I don't advocate what she says?-1 -
Junk food and sugar are addictive and we're surrounded by it everyday... it's honestly not our fault we eat so much of it. The industries don't care about our health, they care about profit.
Right cause we are a generation of no personal responsibility. We can't push ourselves away from the table. We can't make decisions for ourselves and take responsibility for the consequences from those decisions.
I take full responsibility that I put 2 cookies in my mouth this morning they were delicious! The industries aren't out there to worry about my health that is MY concern.0 -
JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
I don't understand why you don't view being accountable for what you eat and finding the willpower to consume tasty foods in moderation to be answers. All you said was you don't have an answer, stuff tastes great, and you struggle with overeating... that's not an answer, but rather just empathy. Even if, as you say, your body is "wired" to enjoy fatty, salty and sweet foods, that doesn't change that your brain is capable of controlling your own actions. There are plenty of things I'd wager you enjoy in life, but yet you exercise some degree of control over your own actions. What you eat is no different. If your problem was spending too much money every month, people would advise that you find a way to stick to a budget. Is that difficult to do? Sure. But is that the answer? Yes, it is. If all they said was "that sucks bro, I spend all my income every month too!" then they aren't providing any sort of a solution.0 -
JustinAnimal wrote: »This is my last attempt at just communicating. Did he ask how to conquer this, or why we do it? I thought he was remarking that it was odd that people do this and he wanted conjectures as to why it's happening. I'll go back to the hypothetical hangover question. If the OP had asked, "Why do people keep drinking, even though hangovers suck?" People wouldn't have responded with, "you need to practice moderation," they'd say, "Yeah, that's crazy, I do that all of the time, it must just be really fun..." or something that actually answered the question. Anyway, starting to feel the hate, so I guess I'm done.
Practice moderation, everyone. And don't eat at KFC. Or do.
If someone was frequently hungover, I would definitely ask that person to practice moderation. One can appreciate an occasional drink without being a college frat boy.0 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »Junk food and sugar are addictive and we're surrounded by it everyday... it's honestly not our fault we eat so much of it. The industries don't care about our health, they care about profit.JeffseekingV wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
He's just commenting some nonsense as it looks like he has nothing better do to or anything to really add. Just ignore
Pot meet kettle.
Useless comment, meet your father.
What in holy hell does that person have to do with me? I don't advocate what she says?
Had nothing to do with her....I don't know how that quote got into this mess.0 -
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JeffseekingV wrote: »Junk food and sugar are addictive and we're surrounded by it everyday... it's honestly not our fault we eat so much of it. The industries don't care about our health, they care about profit.JeffseekingV wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
He's just commenting some nonsense as it looks like he has nothing better do to or anything to really add. Just ignore
Pot meet kettle.
Useless comment, meet your father.
What in holy hell does that person have to do with me? I don't advocate what she says?
Had nothing to do with her....I don't know how that quote got into this mess.
Let me search for the proper canned response. I think it's "and the backpedalling begins!"
Even if you didn't mean it, if you think you're any better than anyone else in that regard, you must be flat out nuts.-2 -
JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »Junk food and sugar are addictive and we're surrounded by it everyday... it's honestly not our fault we eat so much of it. The industries don't care about our health, they care about profit.JeffseekingV wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
He's just commenting some nonsense as it looks like he has nothing better do to or anything to really add. Just ignore
Pot meet kettle.
Useless comment, meet your father.
What in holy hell does that person have to do with me? I don't advocate what she says?
Had nothing to do with her....I don't know how that quote got into this mess.
Let me search for the proper canned response. I think it's "and the backpedalling begins!"
Even if you didn't mean it, if you think you're any better than anyone else in that regard, you must be flat out nuts.
You seem to be confused I was commenting onHe's just commenting some nonsense as it looks like he has nothing better do to or anything to really add. Just ignore
with Pot meet kettle
How the *kitten* her quote got tangled up in this is anyones guess.0 -
JustinAnimal wrote: »This is my last attempt at just communicating. Did he ask how to conquer this, or why we do it? I thought he was remarking that it was odd that people do this and he wanted conjectures as to why it's happening. I'll go back to the hypothetical hangover question. If the OP had asked, "Why do people keep drinking, even though hangovers suck?" People wouldn't have responded with, "you need to practice moderation," they'd say, "Yeah, that's crazy, I do that all of the time, it must just be really fun..." or something that actually answered the question. Anyway, starting to feel the hate, so I guess I'm done.
Practice moderation, everyone. And don't eat at KFC. Or do.
Actually drinking in moderation is definitely good advice. Anything over 1 drink per day (and we aren't talking 1 grande margarita) is detrimental to your health. Getting shitfaced and being hung over all the time is a horrible idea when it comes to long-term health... so yeah, I'd say moderation for the most part is probably the answer. "Yeah that's crazy, I do it all the time" is a college-aged mentality which most people outgrow after a while (knowing a few people struggling with alcoholism is usually a quick way to do this).0 -
False...Junk food and sugar are addictive
Truewe're surrounded by it everyday...
Yes it is. Personal accountability. Nothing will change until this truth is accepted...it's honestly not our fault we eat so much of it. The industries don't care about our health, they care about profit.0 -
JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
I don't understand why you don't view being accountable for what you eat and finding the willpower to consume tasty foods in moderation to be answers. All you said was you don't have an answer, stuff tastes great, and you struggle with overeating... that's not an answer, but rather just empathy. Even if, as you say, your body is "wired" to enjoy fatty, salty and sweet foods, that doesn't change that your brain is capable of controlling your own actions. There are plenty of things I'd wager you enjoy in life, but yet you exercise some degree of control over your own actions. What you eat is no different. If your problem was spending too much money every month, people would advise that you find a way to stick to a budget. Is that difficult to do? Sure. But is that the answer? Yes, it is. If all they said was "that sucks bro, I spend all my income every month too!" then they aren't providing any sort of a solution.
Because how to get over this problem wasn't the question. It's still not the question. Your answering a question that was never proposed. The question was why do people do it. Why do people text and drive? The answer isn't wait until you get home, the answer it because people are short-sighted or something that directly answers the question. Why do we hurt the people we love? The answer is not, you need to control your emotions, it's something that actually answers the question. When he asks why do people continuously overeat, even with consequences, the answer would have to be about why people do that, not how to overcome that habit.0 -
Derailing threads again huh Jeff-1
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I once did taste-testing for a company that was hired by food manufacturers. All sorts of products. We testers sat in isolation from each other and were handed foods by people we could not see under a slot in a wall. Instructions were on a sheet of paper. In other words, no outside influence. The foods we tested consisted of everything from cereals, frozen meals, frozen canapes, crackers, salad dressings, to chips and cookies. Each time we were offered slight variations of the same item, asked to compare it with the previous taste and asked to describe the difference. Then we were asked to chose a preference. It was sometimes really hard as there was only a subtle difference between each choice. Mostly the difference was spice/flavor.
I definitely preferred some tastes over others and it wasn't always because one was saltier or sweeter than another. Some of the stuff was awful and I can't imagine it ever went to market.
I'm not convinced that food manufacturers want to "addict" us but they certainly want to please us and make us come back for more because their product tastes good to the average joe. Otherwise they sure waste a lot of money paying testers.
It wasn't always food being tested, btw, but that was the only thing that could be tested in the labs; hair products, dish washing and laundry detergents were taken home and tested over time though multiple uses in multiple situations.
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »Sometimes, it's not all about what you can see. Being buff, skinny, fit, obese, chubby doesn't matter. It's about what's happening on the inside of your body that you can't see. Hubby was 140lbs and 5'7" when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. Who knew! Kids are going into emergency rooms getting diagnosed with type 2 but look otherwise perfectly healthy!
Good luck in your ventures, guys! I wish you all the best and I hope the OP will have a chance to read what has been said and try it for himself, if he is truly seeking understanding and health improvement.
That's called *kitten* happens. One of the healthiest guys I've known in my life was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. He was an avid cyclist, big into local produce and health before it became "cool" to buy organic, never smoked, never drank, and yet he died around the age of 50. No matter what you eat or don't eat, there are no guarantees in life. The best you can do is enjoy yourself and try to minimize your risk of illness.
But you're delusional if you think you'll be immune from cancer, diabetes and the like just because you avoid processed foods and gluten. Then again though, some people need to delude themselves because the reality is a bit too harsh, so maybe that's not a bad thing.
People judge but don't want to be judged..
I did not say I think this will make us immune from cancer and disease but what I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases, if you refrain from junk food and feed your body what it should have.
If you knew me personally, you would know that I have had my fair share and then some of loss and reality. Those who can see my heart (thank you for the messages) are what keeps me going. It's not discouraging at all to receive such backlash, it empowers me to go out and learn more in hopes that one day, the world might be a healthier and happier place for us.
For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
Ok, now I'm really done, lol. Have a good day!!
While wikipedia is not the best source to cite, no-one has said that macronutrients are all that matter.
Going to post one of my favorite quotes - from an actual
"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! - Eric Helms"
There are very few foods that actively are bad for you, medical conditions aside, and in reasonable doses.
Also, please do go out and learn more.
From what I get from her post is that macronutrients isn't everything. There is a very good case to be made from micronutrient dense food intake. Not from a weight/calorie count standpoint but from a health standpoint. If your statement above includes both macro and micro, you two are agreeing more than disagreeing.
My point was, no-one said it was. I am not agreeing with her at all however on most of her points. She seems to think that non-nutrient foods are toxic or something. They are not. She also seems to think that fast food has no nutrients at all - which is ludicrous.
I only read her last quote that seems to summarize her point.
1) I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases
You agree or disagree?
2) For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
You agree or disagree?
I didn't read the wiki but I tend to agree with both of her statements. In a general sense.
I'm not sure if she is saying junk foods are toxic or not vs them being very micronutrient lacking. And there is probably a bunch of ingredients in various junk foods that aren't particularly great for you but that is merely my opinion. And I'll quantify that by stating that the amount of junk food intake would have to be pretty high and often to make a difference.
Try reading the rest of her posts, then get back to us!
Why not try to find common ground vs trying to be combative all the time? what exactly do you disagree with from her summarizations?
I'd disagree that it's a fair summarization of what else she's said in this thread. We've gone from KFC is addictive, KFC chicken isn't even chicken, and, even more shocking, KFC is "better tasting than other forms of chicken" (I'm still in disbelief anyone actually thinks KFC is good, much less better than all other chicken)... to "nutrients are important." Of course no one disagree nutrients are important - but I'd certainly disagree that accurately summarizes all the other nonsense in this thread.
I would just say, I agree with those two statements in general but the rest of your jibber jabber doesn't make sense to me
Again...read her posts. The jibber jabber is a summary of the poster you are defending.
I'm not defending her. As I agree(with you) that some of her other comments don't make sense.
But I do agree on what she is attempting to portray as a summarization of her comments.
How about if I just asked you those questions as if I made them? W/O out any context or post history. ie.. solely standing on it's own? Basically I just want to know you stance on micronutrient intake and it's importance to you. I already know where you stand on macros and I agree completely. I'm no longer trying to get you on any common ground with the poster. Thanks.
I am surprised you are not aware of my stance on micros tbh.
In answer to your question - yes, micronutrients are of course important. You should look at the diet as a whole as to whether you are getting a good amount of them. Generally speaking, I advocate eating a good amount of nutrient dense foods. It's fine to eat less nutrient dense foods also. One does not negate the other, nor are they mutually exclusive.
Thank you. I understand that as a ITFYM programmer, you probably adhere to this more than trying to take in a specific xx amount of micros. Which is fine as long as one tries to take in whatever amount of micros they feel is important while maintaining your macro settings.
All while fitting in fried chicken
I keep am eye on my intake - but generally, if you get a good mix of nutrient dense foods, they tend to take care of themselves.
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JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »Sometimes, it's not all about what you can see. Being buff, skinny, fit, obese, chubby doesn't matter. It's about what's happening on the inside of your body that you can't see. Hubby was 140lbs and 5'7" when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. Who knew! Kids are going into emergency rooms getting diagnosed with type 2 but look otherwise perfectly healthy!
Good luck in your ventures, guys! I wish you all the best and I hope the OP will have a chance to read what has been said and try it for himself, if he is truly seeking understanding and health improvement.
That's called *kitten* happens. One of the healthiest guys I've known in my life was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. He was an avid cyclist, big into local produce and health before it became "cool" to buy organic, never smoked, never drank, and yet he died around the age of 50. No matter what you eat or don't eat, there are no guarantees in life. The best you can do is enjoy yourself and try to minimize your risk of illness.
But you're delusional if you think you'll be immune from cancer, diabetes and the like just because you avoid processed foods and gluten. Then again though, some people need to delude themselves because the reality is a bit too harsh, so maybe that's not a bad thing.
People judge but don't want to be judged..
I did not say I think this will make us immune from cancer and disease but what I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases, if you refrain from junk food and feed your body what it should have.
If you knew me personally, you would know that I have had my fair share and then some of loss and reality. Those who can see my heart (thank you for the messages) are what keeps me going. It's not discouraging at all to receive such backlash, it empowers me to go out and learn more in hopes that one day, the world might be a healthier and happier place for us.
For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
Ok, now I'm really done, lol. Have a good day!!
While wikipedia is not the best source to cite, no-one has said that macronutrients are all that matter.
Going to post one of my favorite quotes - from an actual
"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! - Eric Helms"
There are very few foods that actively are bad for you, medical conditions aside, and in reasonable doses.
Also, please do go out and learn more.
From what I get from her post is that macronutrients isn't everything. There is a very good case to be made from micronutrient dense food intake. Not from a weight/calorie count standpoint but from a health standpoint. If your statement above includes both macro and micro, you two are agreeing more than disagreeing.
My point was, no-one said it was. I am not agreeing with her at all however on most of her points. She seems to think that non-nutrient foods are toxic or something. They are not. She also seems to think that fast food has no nutrients at all - which is ludicrous.
I only read her last quote that seems to summarize her point.
1) I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases
You agree or disagree?
2) For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
You agree or disagree?
I didn't read the wiki but I tend to agree with both of her statements. In a general sense.
I'm not sure if she is saying junk foods are toxic or not vs them being very micronutrient lacking. And there is probably a bunch of ingredients in various junk foods that aren't particularly great for you but that is merely my opinion. And I'll quantify that by stating that the amount of junk food intake would have to be pretty high and often to make a difference.
Try reading the rest of her posts, then get back to us!
OK, offer me some grace please, lol... I'm working on how to best articulate my thoughts and views. But I will say that I do believe that most of what is available to us to eat is harmful to our bodies because a) the presence of chemicals and ingredients they contain, we were not made to consume and b) the absence of nutrients that heal and protect (immune system) us leave our guards down. It will do the best job it can with what it's given but sooner or later, it does catch up with you and the results are usually not good.
Maybe my approach was wrong at first but all I'm ultimately after is to offer hope to those who are struggling with these types of foods. There is another way and it's so worth it.. To have been able to say that you lived a life to it's fullest potential and in the process of doing so, you taught your children how to have the same.
I really do mean well. I promise.
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You're wrong, "kelly".
What I eat is my decision.
Industries be damned.
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JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »JustinAnimal wrote: »Yeah, I feel like people aren't getting the OP's point. If you don't eat a ton of junk food, feel bad about it, and then go back for more, then this forum isn't for you. If you've got moderation and that's the answer, this forum isn't for you.
OP, I sympathize. I'm like a dog. Or just an idiot. I can overeat repeatedly and, the next night, go back for more and do it to myself again. Same with drinking; apparently, hangovers aren't enough to teach me that lesson. I don't have a great answer other than it tastes great! I also think our bodies are hard-wired to love fat, salt and sugar (I believe that theory, anyway).
So the forum isn't for people who have learned willpower and how to control their urges? Personally I would think those are the people you'd want around on a weight loss forum, not just a bunch of people who lack control of their own actions sympathizing with each other.
All I'm saying is, if you go back to the OP's first post, he's asking a question: why do people overeat when it hurts them and they know it's bad for them. Saying things like "take responsibility for yourself" and "moderation is key" are not answering the question. That is all I am trying to communicate.
So what should be said then?
I guess answers to the question. That's why I said earlier, if this isn't a problem for you, you probably don't have a direct answer to his question. Am I missing something here?
I don't understand why you don't view being accountable for what you eat and finding the willpower to consume tasty foods in moderation to be answers. All you said was you don't have an answer, stuff tastes great, and you struggle with overeating... that's not an answer, but rather just empathy. Even if, as you say, your body is "wired" to enjoy fatty, salty and sweet foods, that doesn't change that your brain is capable of controlling your own actions. There are plenty of things I'd wager you enjoy in life, but yet you exercise some degree of control over your own actions. What you eat is no different. If your problem was spending too much money every month, people would advise that you find a way to stick to a budget. Is that difficult to do? Sure. But is that the answer? Yes, it is. If all they said was "that sucks bro, I spend all my income every month too!" then they aren't providing any sort of a solution.
Because how to get over this problem wasn't the question. It's still not the question. Your answering a question that was never proposed. The question was why do people do it. Why do people text and drive? The answer isn't wait until you get home, the answer it because people are short-sighted or something that directly answers the question. Why do we hurt the people we love? The answer is not, you need to control your emotions, it's something that actually answers the question. When he asks why do people continuously overeat, even with consequences, the answer would have to be about why people do that, not how to overcome that habit.
So the answer is they don't practice moderation! 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other.0 -
GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »JeffseekingV wrote: »GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »GenesiaElizabeth wrote: »Sometimes, it's not all about what you can see. Being buff, skinny, fit, obese, chubby doesn't matter. It's about what's happening on the inside of your body that you can't see. Hubby was 140lbs and 5'7" when he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 10 years ago. Who knew! Kids are going into emergency rooms getting diagnosed with type 2 but look otherwise perfectly healthy!
Good luck in your ventures, guys! I wish you all the best and I hope the OP will have a chance to read what has been said and try it for himself, if he is truly seeking understanding and health improvement.
That's called *kitten* happens. One of the healthiest guys I've known in my life was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. He was an avid cyclist, big into local produce and health before it became "cool" to buy organic, never smoked, never drank, and yet he died around the age of 50. No matter what you eat or don't eat, there are no guarantees in life. The best you can do is enjoy yourself and try to minimize your risk of illness.
But you're delusional if you think you'll be immune from cancer, diabetes and the like just because you avoid processed foods and gluten. Then again though, some people need to delude themselves because the reality is a bit too harsh, so maybe that's not a bad thing.
People judge but don't want to be judged..
I did not say I think this will make us immune from cancer and disease but what I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases, if you refrain from junk food and feed your body what it should have.
If you knew me personally, you would know that I have had my fair share and then some of loss and reality. Those who can see my heart (thank you for the messages) are what keeps me going. It's not discouraging at all to receive such backlash, it empowers me to go out and learn more in hopes that one day, the world might be a healthier and happier place for us.
For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
Ok, now I'm really done, lol. Have a good day!!
While wikipedia is not the best source to cite, no-one has said that macronutrients are all that matter.
Going to post one of my favorite quotes - from an actual
"Once our nutrient needs are met, we don’t get extra credit for eating more nutritious food! - Eric Helms"
There are very few foods that actively are bad for you, medical conditions aside, and in reasonable doses.
Also, please do go out and learn more.
From what I get from her post is that macronutrients isn't everything. There is a very good case to be made from micronutrient dense food intake. Not from a weight/calorie count standpoint but from a health standpoint. If your statement above includes both macro and micro, you two are agreeing more than disagreeing.
My point was, no-one said it was. I am not agreeing with her at all however on most of her points. She seems to think that non-nutrient foods are toxic or something. They are not. She also seems to think that fast food has no nutrients at all - which is ludicrous.
I only read her last quote that seems to summarize her point.
1) I did say is that it can and likely will improve your overall quality of life and even reverse certain diseases
You agree or disagree?
2) For those who think macronutrients (fat, carbs, protein) are all that matters, have a read about what a nutrient actually is and how it's more than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient
You agree or disagree?
I didn't read the wiki but I tend to agree with both of her statements. In a general sense.
I'm not sure if she is saying junk foods are toxic or not vs them being very micronutrient lacking. And there is probably a bunch of ingredients in various junk foods that aren't particularly great for you but that is merely my opinion. And I'll quantify that by stating that the amount of junk food intake would have to be pretty high and often to make a difference.
Try reading the rest of her posts, then get back to us!
OK, offer me some grace please, lol... I'm working on how to best articulate my thoughts and views. But I will say that I do believe that most of what is available to us to eat is harmful to our bodies because a) the presence of chemicals and ingredients they contain, we were not made to consume and b) the absence of nutrients that heal and protect (immune system) us leave our guards down. It will do the best job it can with what it's given but sooner or later, it does catch up with you and the results are usually not good.
Maybe my approach was wrong at first but all I'm ultimately after is to offer hope to those who are struggling with these types of foods. There is another way and it's so worth it.. To have been able to say that you lived a life to it's fullest potential and in the process of doing so, you taught your children how to have the same.
I really do mean well. I promise.
You are so, so wrong....still.
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