Fed Up Documentary
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SanteMulberry wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »
I'm 34 and eat whatever I please, and I'm in the best shape of my life. I'm an anomaly too I guess?
Well, good for you! You are not a post-menopausal, obese women.
Quit moving the goalposts.
How is that "moving the goalposts"? I have always been discussing post-menopausal, obese women.
You've blamed everything but Obama for your weight gain. It's like playing whack-a-mole with your layered misinformation.
No, I blame my previous lack of information. Now I know how to be healthy. Do you really want to argue with my success?
Pictures or it didn't happen.
Unfortunately, I am technologically challenged and have neither a digital camera nor the expertise to post pictures. In any case, I would not be one how is interested in plastering pictures of myself on the internet. I don't even have a Facebook account.
Heh, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to post a picture on here. I have a grandmother who is probably older than you and can use Facebook and post pictures on the interwebs, post-menopausal and all.
I did not attribute my lack of expertise to being older--merely to lack of motivation.
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Oh, Gale is here. Get out the bingo cards y'all0
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SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »
Once you hit menopause, I guess you lose the technological edge too.
Hey now. Don't lump all of us post-menopausal women together. Some of us are doing even better after the "change".
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SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »
I'm 34 and eat whatever I please, and I'm in the best shape of my life. I'm an anomaly too I guess?
Well, good for you! You are not a post-menopausal, obese women.
Quit moving the goalposts.
How is that "moving the goalposts"? I have always been discussing post-menopausal, obese women.
You've blamed everything but Obama for your weight gain. It's like playing whack-a-mole with your layered misinformation.
No, I blame my previous lack of information. Now I know how to be healthy. Do you really want to argue with my success?
Proof? I can show you a side-by-side of my success, but you first. And insinuating that younger folks are immune to CICO makes you look uninformed, even though you claim to be knowledgeable now. There's a saying that goes something like "a wise person speaks because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something."
I did not insinuate a thing and I most certainly did NOT say that "younger folks are immune to CICO". I find that remark somewhat unintelligible. Perhaps you were speaking of yourself in your aphorism?
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This has been fun fellas, but I really must go now. If you are still hanging around, I'll catch up with your tomorrow. 0
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SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »
Once you hit menopause, I guess you lose the technological edge too.
Hey now. Don't lump all of us post-menopausal women together. Some of us are doing even better after the "change".
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SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »
Once you hit menopause, I guess you lose the technological edge too.
Hey now. Don't lump all of us post-menopausal women together. Some of us are doing even better after the "change".
I have several ladies on my list who are kicking *kitten* in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. But they don't count apparently, because reasons.0 -
SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »
I'm 34 and eat whatever I please, and I'm in the best shape of my life. I'm an anomaly too I guess?
Well, good for you! You are not a post-menopausal, obese women.
Quit moving the goalposts.
How is that "moving the goalposts"? I have always been discussing post-menopausal, obese women.
You've blamed everything but Obama for your weight gain. It's like playing whack-a-mole with your layered misinformation.
No, I blame my previous lack of information. Now I know how to be healthy. Do you really want to argue with my success?
Proof? I can show you a side-by-side of my success, but you first. And insinuating that younger folks are immune to CICO makes you look uninformed, even though you claim to be knowledgeable now. There's a saying that goes something like "a wise person speaks because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something."
I did not insinuate a thing and I most certainly did NOT say that "younger folks are immune to CICO". I find that remark somewhat unintelligible. Perhaps you were speaking of yourself in your aphorism?
Here ya goSanteMulberry wrote: »0 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »
Once you hit menopause, I guess you lose the technological edge too.
Hey now. Don't lump all of us post-menopausal women together. Some of us are doing even better after the "change".
I have several ladies on my list who are kicking *kitten* in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. But they don't count apparently, because reasons.
All special snowflakes with high metabolisms and workout schedules that no one else wants to do/can do.
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ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »SonicDeathMonkey80 wrote: »
Once you hit menopause, I guess you lose the technological edge too.
Hey now. Don't lump all of us post-menopausal women together. Some of us are doing even better after the "change".
I have several ladies on my list who are kicking *kitten* in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. But they don't count apparently, because reasons.
The reason is that she's obsessed with speaking for all post-menopausal women, even as she continues to insist that she's only speaking for herself. If they're not like her, it must be MAGIC (or aliens).
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GaleHawkins wrote: »
LOL ..
so after 60 the laws of math and physics cease to apply?
at the end of the day it is still CICO; however, you just may have to adjust the out side of the equation ….
ETA to change to edit the out side..I am a little delirious right now….0 -
SanteMulberry wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »It just occurred to me that it's very troubling that you have over 3,000 posts on the forums. It doesn't seem like you really know what you're talking about at all and to think you've spread that much misinformation is kind of scary...
Now, I have the information that it took to make me successful. You can argue with it but it makes little sense to argue with my success and what I attribute it to. Many of you are apparently incensed for some reason that I cannot fathom. Is it because I don't adhere to your religion?
You attribute your success to your education and hard work. You've attributed the success of others here to age and good genetics (fast metabolism). Can you see how that could look bad?
The fact remains that it is harder for some people to lose weight than others. Women have a harder time than men (women have a lower lean body mass than do men and burn fewer calories--but there is a limit as to how low any adult can go without sacrificing health). Obese people have a harder time than those who are merely "overweight" (it takes many fewer calories to maintain body fat than lean tissue). The loss of progesterone, in particular, causes estrogen to run unopposed and estrogen "loves" to build body fat (progesterone stimulates the metabolism and promotes leanness). Estrogen even blocks the uptake of iodine and that, in itself, can cause goiter if the diet is iodine deficient (which tends to be the case since our soils in many parts of the country are iodine-poor). (Progesterone enhances the uptake of iodine, by the way.) Most obese women are leptin-resistant. Since women already have 2 to 3 times as much leptin as men, even at the same body fat level, it is easy to see why obese women become leptin resistant and why they may have to address that. That has a great bearing on body fat gain or loss. I could go on and on but I think you can get the idea.
Wow, with such vast knowledge you would think one would be able to figure out how to do something as simple as posting a picture on the internet.
I guess post menopausal woman can't do that either…
No need to be insulting. I don't know how, but that is because I haven't been terribly motivated to learn how. I have confidence that, were I to be sufficiently motivated, I would learn how in short order. But first I'd have to purchase a digital camera. Maybe I'll ask for one for Christmas.
you are the one insulting woman of all ages by claiming those who are post menopausal can't lose weight via calorie deficit, and then turning around critiquing other woman that have had said success and then saying "oh that is because they are in their 40's"…..
I just turned your own argument against you …but I guess you do not like that...0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
You think I'm going to bother debating you? When you keep misquoting people and posting the same study you don't understand? Go back to the other thread and addressed the questions people asked you. You are probably more clueless than everyone on this site combined.
Haha my thoughts exactly. Gale is a plague to the forums lol.-1 -
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Documentaries usually just highlight information that supports the point of view of the producer, writer, etc. It's rare that there are documentaries that are very well balanced.
That said, it's still going to boil down to calories in/out for the general population with no impending health issues for weight loss.
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This thread really blew up while I was out running. Honestly, I'm probably wasting my time running because 1.) I'm a man, 2.) I'm not menopausal, 3.) I'm in my twenties and 4.) I have a fast metabolism, therefore I can think about losing weight and poof it happens! Because science.0
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errr....hai!
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SanteMulberry wrote: »
Ok, going to address these one at a time.
I lost more than that, doing the same thing (except meat). And has been noted - I am 47. I lost the weight when I was 45/46.
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SanteMulberry wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »
The "rules" of "calories in-calories out" work well for the majority of people in their youth (and who exercise). HOWEVER, it just doesn't work very well for the typical post-menopausal woman, because the reduced number of calories she needs to shrink her fat deposits results in malnutrition,
Funny, this 5 years post menopausal woman is doing just fine losing weight and fat deposits and I am healthier than I have been in years. I follow CICO with a touch of IIFYM to help me find the best way to distribute the calories in part of the equation.
And do you eat a lot of calorie-dense, nutrient-poor food? If that's the case, then think of how much better you would do with a better diet. Since you indicate on your ticker that you still have about 75 pounds to go, you were likely a lot bigger than OP to start with.
That;s a lot of assumptions. And again, I did/do very well with IIFYM.
Now, I am not disagreeing that post-menopausal women often do better on higher fat/higher protein and low'ish carbs. But you are making a very big leap there - the poster is losing weight and it is rather presumptuous to infer that she would do better using a different methodology. The biggest key to weight loss is adherence.
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there are good vegetarians and bad vegetarians. what i call the vegetarian myth. think about it, potato chips are vegetarian, sugar is vegetarian, pizza is vegetarian, most cake is vegetarian.0
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johnnylakis wrote: »there are good vegetarians and bad vegetarians. what i call the vegetarian myth. think about it, potato chips are vegetarian, sugar is vegetarian, pizza is vegetarian, most cake is vegetarian.
And what's wrong with any of that in moderation? I mean, lets take pizza - bread, tomato sauce, cheese and veggies. How is that "bad".1 -
SanteMulberry wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »
What about MFP user Sarauk2sf? She's in her late 40's and has managed to lose weight and recomp her body while including (in moderation) full fat items like ice cream, dairy and such.
Not everyone can (or will) follow the type of regime that Sarauk follows. I have arthritis and must be very careful as to the type and amount of exercise that I do--but, within that parameter, I have made a drastic change in my health and appearance.
Which is a factor, but please do not assume that everyone else has your issues.0 -
SapiensPisces wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »PikaKnight wrote: »SanteMulberry wrote: »
What about MFP user Sarauk2sf? She's in her late 40's and has managed to lose weight and recomp her body while including (in moderation) full fat items like ice cream, dairy and such.
I think it's because Sarauk2sf is honest with herself and doesn't make excuses.
That for sure.
Sara is an inspiration to many.
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At the risk of being flagged, what I'm taking from this thread (from OP and the majority of those agreeing) is that going vegetarian makes you fat.
Eat meat people =D
Srsly, that's a joke. I don't think a lot of people who start eating vegetarian, for moral reasons, realise they are going to have to pay really strict attention to their nutrition. I really take for granted getting all the essential amino acids from my meat, I couldn't even begin to contemplate the balance of foods you'd need to eat to get them all elsewhere (while keeping a sensible energy balance), hats off to you.
Convenience foods are what they are - convenient. Like others have said, companies are there to make money not look out for your health, that's up to the individual.
Its actually pretty easy getting enough EAAs as a vegetarian tbh - but you do have to be a bit sensible about it.
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johnnylakis wrote: »there are good vegetarians and bad vegetarians. what i call the vegetarian myth. think about it, potato chips are vegetarian, sugar is vegetarian, pizza is vegetarian, most cake is vegetarian.
You're eating the wrong kind of pizza...0 -
johnnylakis wrote: »there are good vegetarians and bad vegetarians. what i call the vegetarian myth. think about it, potato chips are vegetarian, sugar is vegetarian, pizza is vegetarian, most cake is vegetarian.
The problem is the notion that certain foods are "good" while other foods are "bad." Food is food, and our bodies use all foods as energy whether it's a slice of pizza or a bowl of broccoli.
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