How bad is it to do weight machines 2 days in a row?
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IndianCat3 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »Ppl gonna do what they wanna do, go head and do legs two days in a row, chest two days n a row, shoulders two days in a row..then take a rest day, because ur bi, tri, back and abs will get neglected..go right on ahead
if your tris are feeling neglected after shoulders and chest, youre doing it wrong.
U guys are missing the point..
No. You are. The OP didn't ask if it's okay to do heavy squats and deadlifts on Saturday and Sunday. He's doing a light full body workout. He's fine.0 -
IndianCat3 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »Ppl gonna do what they wanna do, go head and do legs two days in a row, chest two days n a row, shoulders two days in a row..then take a rest day, because ur bi, tri, back and abs will get neglected..go right on ahead
if your tris are feeling neglected after shoulders and chest, youre doing it wrong.
U guys are missing the point..
i do think we've gotten way off track here.
the thing that got this thread so fired up (i think) was your definitive statement that one should not work the same muscle groups 2 days in a row, which you then followed up with a cocky "and if you are any kind of an athlete, you should know not to work the same muscle group back to back".
OP is doing light weight full body "toning" exercises...he's not asking if he should be doing heavy chest or legs 2 days in a row. sounds like the dude is doing some circuit work for cardio. is doing it 2 days in a row going to be bad for him? no.
the way you phrased it was just so high and mighty. ugh. this would have gone a lot better if you backed up your statement with reference to better recovery or something.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »I think where/how you feel fatigued can be different for some exercises on a machine vs free weights. For example, when I bench press on my machine for 10-12 reps, my arms can't really push the bar anymore once I'm done, but I'm not sure that my triceps are actually getting stimulated by that movement. In contrast, just recently I did a dumbbell bench press with much lighter weight for 35 reps. I didn't have the same fatigue in my arms, but I definitely felt more soreness in my triceps the next day than when I use the machine.
That's interesting. I did something similar recently (out of curiosity) and the machine/plate loaded machine fatigued my triceps more than free weights (barbell or dumbbell).0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »
Did u come u up with that all by yourself????????0 -
skullshank wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »skullshank wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »Ppl gonna do what they wanna do, go head and do legs two days in a row, chest two days n a row, shoulders two days in a row..then take a rest day, because ur bi, tri, back and abs will get neglected..go right on ahead
if your tris are feeling neglected after shoulders and chest, youre doing it wrong.
U guys are missing the point..
i do think we've gotten way off track here.
the thing that got this thread so fired up (i think) was your definitive statement that one should not work the same muscle groups 2 days in a row, which you then followed up with a cocky "and if you are any kind of an athlete, you should know not to work the same muscle group back to back".
OP is doing light weight full body "toning" exercises...he's not asking if he should be doing heavy chest or legs 2 days in a row. sounds like the dude is doing some circuit work for cardio. is doing it 2 days in a row going to be bad for him? no.
the way you phrased it was just so high and mighty. ugh. this would have gone a lot better if you backed up your statement with reference to better recovery or something.
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Taken from Lyle McDonald's site at this link:Which brings us to my preferred training frequency. Which, given my tendency to middle of the road types of recommendations for most things probably won’t surprise anybody at all. For most applications, for the average trainee, I think hitting each muscle group somewhere between twice per week or a minimum of every 5th day yields about optimal results. Which is best for a given individual depends on individual recovery and how often they can be in the gym.
and this:However, outside of that one situation, I find that there are some major drawbacks to the idea of training full body three times per week for optimal growth. One of these is that once trainees start handling heavy loads, full body workouts can become incredibly difficult to complete: the loading used in exercises done early in the workout tend to severely limit what can be done later in the workout and something invariably suffers.
This is especially true if heavy leg training is done at the front of the workout: this often leaves about zero energy for the rest of the workout. And performing leg training last often means that it suffers. Back squatting heavily with a tired shoudler girdle after upper body training is problematic at best and dangerous at worst.
Additionally, there is at least some indication that there is an optimal training volume per muscle group (a topic I’ll cover in a later article) and achieving that volume in the context of a full body workout tends to become nearly impossible without the workout being several hours long.
So under most circumstances, I don’t find that hitting each muscle group three times per week is optimal for most trainees. It can be accomplished with proper cycling of intensity for the different bodyparts but since, in my experience, bodybuilders like to train hard pretty much all of the time, suggestions to do that often fall on deaf ears.
There is good info at this site OP. What you do with it is up to you.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »I think where/how you feel fatigued can be different for some exercises on a machine vs free weights. For example, when I bench press on my machine for 10-12 reps, my arms can't really push the bar anymore once I'm done, but I'm not sure that my triceps are actually getting stimulated by that movement. In contrast, just recently I did a dumbbell bench press with much lighter weight for 35 reps. I didn't have the same fatigue in my arms, but I definitely felt more soreness in my triceps the next day than when I use the machine.
If you are questioning the amount of recruitment the triceps have in the bench press, try a a high rep set of an isolated tricep exercise then immediately do a set of bench0 -
IndianCat3 wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »well, that was my opinion which i always gotten from Personal Trainers. Im not gonna apologize for it either. Doing the split lower and upper is the best choice. I never said it was BAD, i said that you shouldn't do it, you can easily injure yourself and muscles need time to grow. that is all.
I'm going to say this as nicely as I can.
You are clearly in over your head with regards to this subject. There are a few people here in this thread that have had pretty good success in the sports/athletic/weightlifting field that have weighed in here. Listen to those posters - don't argue with them.
different strokes for different folks. DO NOT WORK THE SAME MUSCLE GROUP TWO DAYS IN A ROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly. Just because YOU choose not to work the same muscle group back-to-back doesn't mean others can't.0 -
I know they're definitely involved, but for me it seems like the machine bench press works my chest much more than my triceps.JeffseekingV wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I think where/how you feel fatigued can be different for some exercises on a machine vs free weights. For example, when I bench press on my machine for 10-12 reps, my arms can't really push the bar anymore once I'm done, but I'm not sure that my triceps are actually getting stimulated by that movement. In contrast, just recently I did a dumbbell bench press with much lighter weight for 35 reps. I didn't have the same fatigue in my arms, but I definitely felt more soreness in my triceps the next day than when I use the machine.
If you are questioning the amount of recruitment the triceps have in the bench press, try a a high rep set of an isolated tricep exercise then immediately do a set of bench
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Wow, I've been working the same muscle groups back to back for a year with various intensities and volume. I did machines off an on for 10 years before switching to primarily barbells in the last year. My deadlift has gone up 125 pounds, my squat 60, my front squat up 110, my bench up 60, and even better--- I HAVE NOT DIED. Imagine how *extra not dead* I would be if I were only using machines to do a light workout! Someday we can all learn how to take time off between muscle groups and become real athletes.
Then the sky's the limit for all of us! Cheers! *clinks glasses of anabolic Christmas wine with other muscle heads* 0 -
IndianCat3 wrote: »well, that was my opinion which i always gotten from Personal Trainers. Im not gonna apologize for it either. Doing the split lower and upper is the best choice. I never said it was BAD, i said that you shouldn't do it, you can easily injure yourself and muscles need time to grow. that is all.
What expertise do you possess that enables you to make such definitive statements of good vs bad ... should vs shouldn't?0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »well, that was my opinion which i always gotten from Personal Trainers. Im not gonna apologize for it either. Doing the split lower and upper is the best choice. I never said it was BAD, i said that you shouldn't do it, you can easily injure yourself and muscles need time to grow. that is all.
What expertise do you possess that enables you to make such definitive statements of good vs bad ... should vs shouldn't?
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kelly_e_montana wrote: »Wow, I've been working the same muscle groups back to back for a year with various intensities and volume. I did machines off an on for 10 years before switching to primarily barbells in the last year. My deadlift has gone up 125 pounds, my squat 60, my front squat up 110, my bench up 60, and even better--- I HAVE NOT DIED. Imagine how *extra not dead* I would be if I were only using machines to do a light workout! Someday we can all learn how to take time off between muscle groups and become real athletes. Then the sky's the limit for all of us! Cheers! *clinks glasses of anabolic Christmas wine with other muscle heads*
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I know they're definitely involved, but for me it seems like the machine bench press works my chest much more than my triceps.JeffseekingV wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I think where/how you feel fatigued can be different for some exercises on a machine vs free weights. For example, when I bench press on my machine for 10-12 reps, my arms can't really push the bar anymore once I'm done, but I'm not sure that my triceps are actually getting stimulated by that movement. In contrast, just recently I did a dumbbell bench press with much lighter weight for 35 reps. I didn't have the same fatigue in my arms, but I definitely felt more soreness in my triceps the next day than when I use the machine.
If you are questioning the amount of recruitment the triceps have in the bench press, try a a high rep set of an isolated tricep exercise then immediately do a set of bench
Is the movement on the machine a straight line perpendicular to your chest or do the handles move inwards as you press? If you're pressing straight there will be more triceps involvement. If you're pressing and your hands move inwards (closer together) during the movement you will better engage your chest. Might also be the position of your elbows, tighter more triceps, flared more chest. You also knocked out 3x more reps/set on the DBs, your tris would feel that the next day.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »well, that was my opinion which i always gotten from Personal Trainers. Im not gonna apologize for it either. Doing the split lower and upper is the best choice. I never said it was BAD, i said that you shouldn't do it, you can easily injure yourself and muscles need time to grow. that is all.
What expertise do you possess that enables you to make such definitive statements of good vs bad ... should vs shouldn't?
she does body pump
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Hmm, on my machine I'm pressing straight ahead.ForecasterJason wrote: »
I know they're definitely involved, but for me it seems like the machine bench press works my chest much more than my triceps.JeffseekingV wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I think where/how you feel fatigued can be different for some exercises on a machine vs free weights. For example, when I bench press on my machine for 10-12 reps, my arms can't really push the bar anymore once I'm done, but I'm not sure that my triceps are actually getting stimulated by that movement. In contrast, just recently I did a dumbbell bench press with much lighter weight for 35 reps. I didn't have the same fatigue in my arms, but I definitely felt more soreness in my triceps the next day than when I use the machine.
If you are questioning the amount of recruitment the triceps have in the bench press, try a a high rep set of an isolated tricep exercise then immediately do a set of bench
Is the movement on the machine a straight line perpendicular to your chest or do the handles move inwards as you press? If you're pressing straight there will be more triceps involvement. If you're pressing and your hands move inwards (closer together) during the movement you will better engage your chest. Might also be the position of your elbows, tighter more triceps, flared more chest. You also knocked out 3x more reps/set on the DBs, your tris would feel that the next day.
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singingflutelady wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »well, that was my opinion which i always gotten from Personal Trainers. Im not gonna apologize for it either. Doing the split lower and upper is the best choice. I never said it was BAD, i said that you shouldn't do it, you can easily injure yourself and muscles need time to grow. that is all.
What expertise do you possess that enables you to make such definitive statements of good vs bad ... should vs shouldn't?
she does body pump
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kelly_e_montana wrote: »Imagine how *extra not dead* I would be if I were only using machines to do a light workout!
that's a lot of extra much more not dead we're talking!
woah!
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"A watched kettle takes forever to boil".
Absorb this information and take heed. Nothing happens overnight.
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singingflutelady wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »well, that was my opinion which i always gotten from Personal Trainers. Im not gonna apologize for it either. Doing the split lower and upper is the best choice. I never said it was BAD, i said that you shouldn't do it, you can easily injure yourself and muscles need time to grow. that is all.
What expertise do you possess that enables you to make such definitive statements of good vs bad ... should vs shouldn't?
she does body pump
The topic that I replied to was labeled "favorite at home workouts"
My favorite at home workout has nothing to do with this post whatsoever.
So move the hell on with helping this dude get his answer to his post.0 -
IndianCat3 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »IndianCat3 wrote: »well, that was my opinion which i always gotten from Personal Trainers. Im not gonna apologize for it either. Doing the split lower and upper is the best choice. I never said it was BAD, i said that you shouldn't do it, you can easily injure yourself and muscles need time to grow. that is all.
What expertise do you possess that enables you to make such definitive statements of good vs bad ... should vs shouldn't?
she does body pump
The topic that I replied to was labeled "favorite at home workouts"
My favorite at home workout has nothing to do with this post whatsoever.
So move the hell on with helping this dude get his answer to his post.
he already got his answer. based on what he's doing, training the same group 2 days in a row is fine.
i think your best bet is moving the hell out of this thread. or don't. idgaf.
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IndianCat3 wrote: »well, that was my opinion which i always gotten from Personal Trainers. Im not gonna apologize for it either. Doing the split lower and upper is the best choice. I never said it was BAD, i said that you shouldn't do it, you can easily injure yourself and muscles need time to grow. that is all.
On what grounds is it the best choice?
I'm currently undergoing training to join the Royal Marines, which involves days of vigorous exercise.. quite often working the same muscle groups.. 2.. 3.. 4 days in a row. Just because it isn't tailored to 'optimum' build of any one muscle group doesn't mean it is any less effective if done properly.
To OP. All the best. Do what feels RIGHT to you. If you start to feel lethargic and experience too much strain. Give that muscle set a rest for a while, we are here as advice. I'm certainly no expert but I hate to see posters pretending they know the 'facts'. Different things work for different people.0
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