Another teen shot in Missouri
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It's great for news ratings to talk about these things. If this were purely about percentages then we'd all be talking about the disparity of Native Americans being killed. This is a huge political talking point. There just aren't that many votes to be had from the Native American angle so it's a non-issue.Capt_Apollo wrote: »pinkraynedropjacki wrote: »Why is it that there is more white people shot by police yet not once is it mentioned in the news? Is it ok to shoot white folk but not black? Black people more special now are they? Their lives worth more than white people?
numbers wise, yes, more white people have been shot in the united states than those of african american background. but when you get down to the percentages of it (71% of people in the US are white, i forget how many are black, maybe 13%?) then the statistic isn't really showing you the full picture.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/24/opinion/moya-smith-native-americans/
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The group most likely to be killed by police is actually Native American "followed by African Americans, Latinos, Whites, and Asian Americans." It would seem that minorities are more likely to be killed and pointing to the Native American issue it would seem that the more economically disadvantaged you were the more likely you were to be involved in a police altercation. That's pretty much common sense. Poor people commit more crimes. Duh!
Yup, and that is EXACTLY why the phrase 'black on black crime' is racist. It shifts the cause of crime from socioeconomic status to race.
So is it racist when Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson say "black on black crime"?
I think so - at least, I think it's stupidly allowing a racist idea to be propagated because they also aren't thinking it all the way through.
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Competitive light bulb replacement?
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The group most likely to be killed by police is actually Native American "followed by African Americans, Latinos, Whites, and Asian Americans." It would seem that minorities are more likely to be killed and pointing to the Native American issue it would seem that the more economically disadvantaged you were the more likely you were to be involved in a police altercation. That's pretty much common sense. Poor people commit more crimes. Duh!
Yup, and that is EXACTLY why the phrase 'black on black crime' is racist. It shifts the cause of crime from socioeconomic status to race.
So is it racist when Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson say "black on black crime"?
I think so - at least, I think it's stupidly allowing a racist idea to be propagated because they also aren't thinking it all the way through.
So what you are saying is that they are both racist towards black people while at the same time fighting for equal rights?
And it's not I think so. It's either yes or no. Apollo can definitely be a racist because he said that but then Sharpton and Jackson are "I guess so". Why, because they are black? So are we talking double standard?
At the same time you somehow know what they are fighting for and what they mean even though they are them and you are you?
and i never said the phrase in question. i linked a video of the milwaukee police chief, and he said that phrase, and whats-her-face took it out of context and basically made me out to be the most horrible human being ever.0 -
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I agree with what that chief said. Now, the way the author couches it, and I presume what you believe since you read sites like that, is that there is some kind of relevance to the phrase 'black on black crime". I just want you to know that I know that when you say that, what you really mean is that you believe black people are genetically more violent than white people. So congrats on outing yourself as a horrible human being. People need to call that phrase out because it IS straight up racist, and is also deliberately obfuscatory BS.Capt_Apollo wrote: »White Police Chief Loses It and Tells the Blunt TRUTH About Black Crime [VIDEO]
http://conservativetribune.com/police-black-crime/
You should have finished out your user name. What an amazing amount of assumptions you can make about a person for simply linking an article. Luckily your comment doesn't leave any room for assumptions about you.0 -
I vote every cop in the us gets from now until new years off, what good are they anyway amirite?0
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So help me god, if this thread is still standing when I get back to a computer I will burn it the *kitten* down along with every ignorant mother *kitten* posting dumb *kitten* comments in it. Every *kitten* one of you.-5
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Ahh... I miss the good old days - you know, when people were held accountable. 25-30 years ago, every single adult in the U.S. would tell you the same thing - if an officer of the law orders you to stop/freeze/put your hands where he can see them/get on the ground/ etc., you do what the officer says - period. Think about it honestly for one minute - what would you think if you overheard a parent telling their teenager "If a cop orders you to stop or freeze, punch him, charge at him or make a move like you're reaching for a gun - OK?"
As a society we have embraced rage, selfishness and outright disobedience as acceptable by people of all backgrounds. Teachers can't teach anymore, the military can't fight anymore and cops can't police our streets anymore. The result? Our children are being dumbed down little by little, we sit by and do nothing while the world is set on fire by ruthless dictators and terrorists, and in the streets EVERYONE is afraid: citizens are afraid of cops, cops are afraid of citizens and anyone who has the guts to stand up to do the dirty work that finds themselves in the unfortunate position of having to make a split second life-or-death decision already has one foot in the grave - whether they live or not.
And in the end, no one is treated fairly and the truth gets pushed aside for the headlines.0 -
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The 2 teens killed in Missouri were up to no good and thats what happens when you live that life style. However that huge guy that got killed in new york didnt deserve it. Im about 190lbs and I wouldnt be so easy to take down either. You cant expect an obese man in his 50s to get down on the ground like hes some spring chicken . I think people should protest peace between cops and people. Not all cops are bad and not all civilians are criminals or cop killers .0
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That "kid" pointed a gun at his intended victim._Waffle_ wrote:Or perhaps this was the teen who was shot in Dayton because he wanted someone's Air Jordans?
Fortunately, that man was lawfully armed and protected his life.
The other 2 criminals (who survived) are in custody, & the victim won't be charged with anything.
Unless that civilian is a police officer, then it's very unlikely.when a civilian shoots an innocent person, they will be arrested, tried and most likely convicted
And actually, if the intended victim who shoots the attacker is acting in self-defense, s/he shouldn't have to fear anything. For states which have good self-defense laws, the investigation usually doesn't go beyond the police making sure it actually was self-defense. (That being said, look at the Zimmerman case...)
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According to the BLS, in 2012 the death rate for law enforcement was 15 (of 100,000).police are given a very bad rap for the incredibly dangerous jobs they hold
(And somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of those were due to the officer crashing his/her vehicle.)
The death rate for landscape supervisors was 14.7.
Taxi drivers 16.2.
Construction supervisors 16.6.
Construction workers 17.8.
Farmers / ranchers 22.8.
Electrical linemen 23.9.
Truckers 25.6.
Garbage men 32.3.
Roofers 42.2.
Pilots 54.3.
Loggers 129.9.
Fishermen 120.8.0 -
Bovine feces.when you say that, what you really mean is that you believe black people are genetically more violent than white people
Looking at the numbers, crime statistics, most young black men are killed by other young black men.
There's nothing genetic about that.
There are also plenty of young black men who don't commit crimes, manage to graduate high school or college, hold down jobs, etc.
There's nothing genetic about that, either.
That was sarcasm? I actually agree with you.it's not fair to expect a cop to try and discern whether a 12 year old child has a real or toy gun in his waistband
The gun had been lying on the table when the cops arrived.
The kid stuck it in his pants (handling a gun around cops is generally a Bad Idea).
When told to keep his hands away from the gun, he reached for it (also a Bad Idea).
If the officer waited to see if there were an orange tip on it, it would be too late.
From the pictures shown on the news, the gun looked plenty real.
And there are kids younger than that who commit crimes using guns.0 -
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Some of you guys really need to look up what "ad hominem fallacy" means.
Well, the data does suggest it's less dangerous than any of those...
So based of a death rate statistic you're going to say being a cop isn't dangerous? Your posts never seem to amaze me.
According to the BLS, in 2012 the death rate for law enforcement was 15 (of 100,000).police are given a very bad rap for the incredibly dangerous jobs they hold
(And somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of those were due to the officer crashing his/her vehicle.)
The death rate for landscape supervisors was 14.7.
Taxi drivers 16.2.
Construction supervisors 16.6.
Construction workers 17.8.
Farmers / ranchers 22.8.
Electrical linemen 23.9.
Truckers 25.6.
Garbage men 32.3.
Roofers 42.2.
Pilots 54.3.
Loggers 129.9.
Fishermen 120.8.
It's not a binary thing.
ETA : also, 50$ says this thread isn't here in the morning.0 -
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Terrible. Seems like I've been reading more news articles about cops shooting people and people shooting at the cops.
There was a protest at a Walmart here over a guy whom was shot and killed by a cop over the Summer for carrying around a toy gun.0 -
A workplace hazard is a workplace hazard, and dead is dead...Some of you guys really need to look up what "ad hominem fallacy" means.
Well, the data does suggest it's less dangerous than any of those...
So based of a death rate statistic you're going to say being a cop isn't dangerous? Your posts never seem to amaze me.
According to the BLS, in 2012 the death rate for law enforcement was 15 (of 100,000).police are given a very bad rap for the incredibly dangerous jobs they hold
(And somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of those were due to the officer crashing his/her vehicle.)
The death rate for landscape supervisors was 14.7.
Taxi drivers 16.2.
Construction supervisors 16.6.
Construction workers 17.8.
Farmers / ranchers 22.8.
Electrical linemen 23.9.
Truckers 25.6.
Garbage men 32.3.
Roofers 42.2.
Pilots 54.3.
Loggers 129.9.
Fishermen 120.8.
It's not a binary thing.
ETA : also, 50$ says this thread isn't here in the morning.
Yeah okay. So then let's all agree that it's much more dangerous to be a garbage man than a cop. Because none of those garbage workers deaths are accidents. Looking at numbers like that doesn't tell the whole story one bit. But hey statistics are statistics, right?
Police officers are exposed to criminals as part of their jobs, garbage men are exposed to refuse pathogens and heavy machinery as part of their jobs. All of these can prove lethal, I fail to see your point.
You're preaching to the choir right now, but I'm already surprised that it has survived this long.Also, the fact that this thread would be gone by the morning is pathetic. We can talk about ED and kids wanting to lie about their age, dumb cleanses all day, people floating around terrible advice all overy the board, 1000 kiss, spank, whatever threads but we can discuss real life issues. Why? Because people get to butt hurt? If it's gone then that's fine, I wouldn't expect any less from MFP.
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I won't be back in the US till mid-january, so I'm okay with this.I vote every cop in the us gets from now until new years off, what good are they anyway amirite?
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Honestly, how much you hear about something isn't always indicative of how much of an issue it really is.Terrible. Seems like I've been reading more news articles about cops shooting people and people shooting at the cops.
Until I see an indication of a statistically significant increase in either of those things, I'll consider it more of "cause du jour", for either side.0 -
JeriAnne84 wrote: »OMG the thing that ticks me off the most about this recent incident is a quote for a guy saying "why must you always use deadly force?" BECAUSE HE FRIGGEN POINTED A GUN AT HIM!!! I'm sorry someone points a gun at me, I'm not going to be all, "oh poopy-doo! Better put it down or I'm going to use some verbal judo on you, you mean person!" EFF THAT.
The cops in New York weren't even doing anything and he killed them. It breaks my heart. We had an officer killed in my town back in September. He was one of the most caring guys and would do anything for anyone. I work with his identical twin brother and it's just awful what that family has been through. Now they have to hear about people wanting cops dead all over the nation. I've worked in law enforcement for 6 years and have a ton of cop friends, and my brother in law is a cop. I'm worried sick about everyone of them now just because people can't go about this in a peaceful manner.
Martin Luther King Jr. protested using peaceful ways and got *kitten* done. What has been going on is crapping all over what he stood for.
Pretty sure they're SUPPOSED to use deadly force when their lives are threatened. It's been that way for decades!
Wrong equal force or less force.
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yopeeps025 wrote: »JeriAnne84 wrote: »OMG the thing that ticks me off the most about this recent incident is a quote for a guy saying "why must you always use deadly force?" BECAUSE HE FRIGGEN POINTED A GUN AT HIM!!! I'm sorry someone points a gun at me, I'm not going to be all, "oh poopy-doo! Better put it down or I'm going to use some verbal judo on you, you mean person!" EFF THAT.
The cops in New York weren't even doing anything and he killed them. It breaks my heart. We had an officer killed in my town back in September. He was one of the most caring guys and would do anything for anyone. I work with his identical twin brother and it's just awful what that family has been through. Now they have to hear about people wanting cops dead all over the nation. I've worked in law enforcement for 6 years and have a ton of cop friends, and my brother in law is a cop. I'm worried sick about everyone of them now just because people can't go about this in a peaceful manner.
Martin Luther King Jr. protested using peaceful ways and got *kitten* done. What has been going on is crapping all over what he stood for.
Pretty sure they're SUPPOSED to use deadly force when their lives are threatened. It's been that way for decades!
Wrong equal force or less force.
I don't agree that they are "supposed" to use deadly force but what do equal for or less forace mean?
ok let use examples like this.
criminal vs cop
if a criminal is pointing a gun at a cop yes cop has authority to use deadly force and headshot if he wants to.
Knives can be consider deadly force by some and to some.
the kid with toy gun. The video of that shows excessive force.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikehayes/cleveland-police-kill-12-year-old-boy-seconds-after-respondi#.wtqORdN1e
This is a old one and I must specify WHITE kid because it is not a race issue. The media and ignorant people think it is a race issue. It is a cop issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPwyodTkYA
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/conviction-overturned-for-officer-in-2010-umd-beating/28222058
Verdict of that case.
Thank god I missed that game being a duke fan. That night would not of ended so well for me.
Eric Garner case.
Ban chokehold in NYC right.
Wow I just confused myself because I know there are some strong people enough for there body to be a technical deadly force. Kind of how boxers are register in the system so there assault crimes get bigger consequences.0 -
pinkraynedropjacki wrote: »Why is it that there is more white people shot by police yet not once is it mentioned in the news? Is it ok to shoot white folk but not black? Black people more special now are they? Their lives worth more than white people?
Because white people getting shot by cops does not cause hype due to the media. However, when a black person is shot, suddenly everyone creates stories in their head and tries to blame the color of their skin for being the reason they were shot (totally disregarding any criminal activity). Hence why barely anyone knows of Dillon Taylor, who was a WHITE male shot by a BLACK cop 2 days after the Michael Brown shooting.0 -
yopeeps025 wrote: »JeriAnne84 wrote: »OMG the thing that ticks me off the most about this recent incident is a quote for a guy saying "why must you always use deadly force?" BECAUSE HE FRIGGEN POINTED A GUN AT HIM!!! I'm sorry someone points a gun at me, I'm not going to be all, "oh poopy-doo! Better put it down or I'm going to use some verbal judo on you, you mean person!" EFF THAT.
The cops in New York weren't even doing anything and he killed them. It breaks my heart. We had an officer killed in my town back in September. He was one of the most caring guys and would do anything for anyone. I work with his identical twin brother and it's just awful what that family has been through. Now they have to hear about people wanting cops dead all over the nation. I've worked in law enforcement for 6 years and have a ton of cop friends, and my brother in law is a cop. I'm worried sick about everyone of them now just because people can't go about this in a peaceful manner.
Martin Luther King Jr. protested using peaceful ways and got *kitten* done. What has been going on is crapping all over what he stood for.
Pretty sure they're SUPPOSED to use deadly force when their lives are threatened. It's been that way for decades!
Wrong equal force or less force.
Not sure where you got that info - I have been through the Police Academy in NC (obviously different states have different GS so variances in what is authorized) & I can assure you that police officers are NOT taught to use "equal force or less force" when confronted with lethal (or any other) force. The use of force continuum chart is no longer used in our course materials but if someone confronts you with ANY level of force, you are authorized to use AT LEAST that level of force (but it must be "reasonable"). Depending on the particular circumstances of the encounter, an officer is not required to use the "next step up" in force, either - one level of force does NOT have to be exhausted before escalating to the next level of force.
The only time that they clearly say that "less force" should be used is if/when it becomes clear that the subject is no longer resisting & you are able to safely disengage & reduce the level of force.
When it comes to deadly force, we are taught that lethal force should ALWAYS be met with lethal force. Someone pointing a gun at me is NOT my cue to try to deploy OC spray or a taser. Most agencies have policies forbidding the use of "warning shots" too. LEO's are taught NOT to shoot to disarm or disable, but to stop the threat. Aim for center mass; shoot till the threat has been neutralized.
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