Another teen shot in Missouri
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TheNoLeafClover wrote: »I think this about sums it up:
1. There are good cops and bad cops.
2. Certain groups of people are more likely to be targeted and bullied by bad cops.
3. Cops who use their position of power to bully others, commit crimes, or act with unnecessary force should face full and appropriate punishment.
4. Cops who are defending others, defending themselves, and are doing their jobs to the best of their ability should not be treated with violence and hostility.
5. Rioting and killing in response to injustice or perceived injustice is stupid and accomplishes nothing.
6. Neither does vilifying an entire group of people, be that a race or an institution.
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »Capt_Apollo wrote: »
I agree with what that chief said. Now, the way the author couches it, and I presume what you believe since you read sites like that, is that there is some kind of relevance to the phrase 'black on black crime". I just want you to know that I know that when you say that, what you really mean is that you believe black people are genetically more violent than white people. So congrats on outing yourself as a horrible human being. People need to call that phrase out because it IS straight up racist, and is also deliberately obfuscatory BS.Capt_Apollo wrote: »White Police Chief Loses It and Tells the Blunt TRUTH About Black Crime [VIDEO]
http://conservativetribune.com/police-black-crime/
i don't even know how to respond to this. thank you for calling me a "horrible human being" and pretty much saying i'm racist. you'd rather hurl insults than have any kind of discussion.
I'd rather call out racism when I see it than keep my mouth shut and let it slide. OK, sorry for calling you a 'horrible human being' on the internet. I should have just thought that part of it.
Or you could explain what YOU think the phrase "black on black crime" has to do with this issue, if you really think there is a valid and non-racist explanation.
i have nothing to explain to you.
you think you can talk because you visited parkchester a couple of times? i grew up in washington heights and jackson heights. my dad used to have to lie to me about what those sounds were outside, that they were people firing off firecrackers. i lived across parks i couldn't go to because of the drug use.
and i know i look white, but both my parents are hispanic.
I'm assuming that despite not wanting to explain anything, your explanation means you're still interested in the conversation...
You're still not being clear and/or honest about your point. So you grew up in a place with a lot of violence...are you saying that black people were responsible for all of that violence and that therefore they are criminals by virtue of their genetic makeup and that therefore it's a good thing for anyone black to be shot on sight by police? To me, that's what people are saying when they use "black on black crime" as an argument for not setting limits on what we find acceptable when it comes to police using force.
Anyway - I really am sorry for calling you names. My point is to make people think more carefully about what they say and what it means so I should really try to live up to that myself, I will absolutely do better.
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I agree with what that chief said. Now, the way the author couches it, and I presume what you believe since you read sites like that, is that there is some kind of relevance to the phrase 'black on black crime". I just want you to know that I know that when you say that, what you really mean is that you believe black people are genetically more violent than white people. So congrats on outing yourself as a horrible human being. People need to call that phrase out because it IS straight up racist, and is also deliberately obfuscatory BS.Capt_Apollo wrote: »White Police Chief Loses It and Tells the Blunt TRUTH About Black Crime [VIDEO]
http://conservativetribune.com/police-black-crime/
Most people that are victims of violent crime can point to members of their own race as the criminal. The disparity comes when we see that about 50% of murder victims are black men when they only make up just over 13% of the population. Black on black is sort of pointless but I wouldn't call it racist. That's a bit of a stretch.
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The group most likely to be killed by police is actually Native American "followed by African Americans, Latinos, Whites, and Asian Americans." It would seem that minorities are more likely to be killed and pointing to the Native American issue it would seem that the more economically disadvantaged you were the more likely you were to be involved in a police altercation. That's pretty much common sense. Poor people commit more crimes. Duh!
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »Capt_Apollo wrote: »
I agree with what that chief said. Now, the way the author couches it, and I presume what you believe since you read sites like that, is that there is some kind of relevance to the phrase 'black on black crime". I just want you to know that I know that when you say that, what you really mean is that you believe black people are genetically more violent than white people. So congrats on outing yourself as a horrible human being. People need to call that phrase out because it IS straight up racist, and is also deliberately obfuscatory BS.Capt_Apollo wrote: »White Police Chief Loses It and Tells the Blunt TRUTH About Black Crime [VIDEO]
http://conservativetribune.com/police-black-crime/
i don't even know how to respond to this. thank you for calling me a "horrible human being" and pretty much saying i'm racist. you'd rather hurl insults than have any kind of discussion.
I'd rather call out racism when I see it than keep my mouth shut and let it slide. OK, sorry for calling you a 'horrible human being' on the internet. I should have just thought that part of it.
Or you could explain what YOU think the phrase "black on black crime" has to do with this issue, if you really think there is a valid and non-racist explanation.
i have nothing to explain to you.
you think you can talk because you visited parkchester a couple of times? i grew up in washington heights and jackson heights. my dad used to have to lie to me about what those sounds were outside, that they were people firing off firecrackers. i lived across parks i couldn't go to because of the drug use.
and i know i look white, but both my parents are hispanic.
I'm assuming that despite not wanting to explain anything, your explanation means you're still interested in the conversation...
You're still not being clear and/or honest about your point. So you grew up in a place with a lot of violence...are you saying that black people were responsible for all of that violence and that therefore they are criminals by virtue of their genetic makeup and that therefore it's a good thing for anyone black to be shot on sight by police? To me, that's what people are saying when they use "black on black crime" as an argument for not setting limits on what we find acceptable when it comes to police using force.
Anyway - I really am sorry for calling you names. My point is to make people think more carefully about what they say and what it means so I should really try to live up to that myself, I will absolutely do better.
the silent treatment doesn't really work on forums. but basically, i'm not talking to you anymore because you continue to jump to conclusions and try and put words into my mouth.
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Capt_Apollo wrote: »
the silent treatment doesn't really work on forums. but basically, i'm not talking to you anymore because you continue to jump to conclusions and try and put words into my mouth.
I understand - but just for the record, I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm trying to tell you that the words which have already come out of your mouth (or link, as it were) have a meaning which is racist, and you either agree with that meaning, or you didn't realize that was the meaning. If you didn't realize the meaning, then following the statement through to its logical conclusion is a good exercise, hence I am actually giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
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Why is it that there is more white people shot by police yet not once is it mentioned in the news? Is it ok to shoot white folk but not black? Black people more special now are they? Their lives worth more than white people?
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The group most likely to be killed by police is actually Native American "followed by African Americans, Latinos, Whites, and Asian Americans." It would seem that minorities are more likely to be killed and pointing to the Native American issue it would seem that the more economically disadvantaged you were the more likely you were to be involved in a police altercation. That's pretty much common sense. Poor people commit more crimes. Duh!
Yup, and that is EXACTLY why the phrase 'black on black crime' is racist. It shifts the cause of crime from socioeconomic status to race.
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branflakes1980 wrote: »JeriAnne84 wrote: »OMG the thing that ticks me off the most about this recent incident is a quote for a guy saying "why must you always use deadly force?" BECAUSE HE FRIGGEN POINTED A GUN AT HIM!!! I'm sorry someone points a gun at me, I'm not going to be all, "oh poopy-doo! Better put it down or I'm going to use some verbal judo on you, you mean person!" EFF THAT.
The cops in New York weren't even doing anything and he killed them. It breaks my heart. We had an officer killed in my town back in September. He was one of the most caring guys and would do anything for anyone. I work with his identical twin brother and it's just awful what that family has been through. Now they have to hear about people wanting cops dead all over the nation. I've worked in law enforcement for 6 years and have a ton of cop friends, and my brother in law is a cop. I'm worried sick about everyone of them now just because people can't go about this in a peaceful manner.
Martin Luther King Jr. protested using peaceful ways and got *kitten* done. What has been going on is crapping all over what he stood for.
LOL @ "oh poopy do"
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pinkraynedropjacki wrote: »Why is it that there is more white people shot by police yet not once is it mentioned in the news? Is it ok to shoot white folk but not black? Black people more special now are they? Their lives worth more than white people?
numbers wise, yes, more white people have been shot in the united states than those of african american background. but when you get down to the percentages of it (71% of people in the US are white, i forget how many are black, maybe 13%?) then the statistic isn't really showing you the full picture.
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It's great for news ratings to talk about these things. If this were purely about percentages then we'd all be talking about the disparity of Native Americans being killed. This is a huge political talking point. There just aren't that many votes to be had from the Native American angle so it's a non-issue.Capt_Apollo wrote: »pinkraynedropjacki wrote: »Why is it that there is more white people shot by police yet not once is it mentioned in the news? Is it ok to shoot white folk but not black? Black people more special now are they? Their lives worth more than white people?
numbers wise, yes, more white people have been shot in the united states than those of african american background. but when you get down to the percentages of it (71% of people in the US are white, i forget how many are black, maybe 13%?) then the statistic isn't really showing you the full picture.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/24/opinion/moya-smith-native-americans/
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The group most likely to be killed by police is actually Native American "followed by African Americans, Latinos, Whites, and Asian Americans." It would seem that minorities are more likely to be killed and pointing to the Native American issue it would seem that the more economically disadvantaged you were the more likely you were to be involved in a police altercation. That's pretty much common sense. Poor people commit more crimes. Duh!
Yup, and that is EXACTLY why the phrase 'black on black crime' is racist. It shifts the cause of crime from socioeconomic status to race.
So is it racist when Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson say "black on black crime"?
I think so - at least, I think it's stupidly allowing a racist idea to be propagated because they also aren't thinking it all the way through.
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Competitive light bulb replacement?
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The group most likely to be killed by police is actually Native American "followed by African Americans, Latinos, Whites, and Asian Americans." It would seem that minorities are more likely to be killed and pointing to the Native American issue it would seem that the more economically disadvantaged you were the more likely you were to be involved in a police altercation. That's pretty much common sense. Poor people commit more crimes. Duh!
Yup, and that is EXACTLY why the phrase 'black on black crime' is racist. It shifts the cause of crime from socioeconomic status to race.
So is it racist when Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson say "black on black crime"?
I think so - at least, I think it's stupidly allowing a racist idea to be propagated because they also aren't thinking it all the way through.
So what you are saying is that they are both racist towards black people while at the same time fighting for equal rights?
And it's not I think so. It's either yes or no. Apollo can definitely be a racist because he said that but then Sharpton and Jackson are "I guess so". Why, because they are black? So are we talking double standard?
At the same time you somehow know what they are fighting for and what they mean even though they are them and you are you?
and i never said the phrase in question. i linked a video of the milwaukee police chief, and he said that phrase, and whats-her-face took it out of context and basically made me out to be the most horrible human being ever.0 -
I agree with what that chief said. Now, the way the author couches it, and I presume what you believe since you read sites like that, is that there is some kind of relevance to the phrase 'black on black crime". I just want you to know that I know that when you say that, what you really mean is that you believe black people are genetically more violent than white people. So congrats on outing yourself as a horrible human being. People need to call that phrase out because it IS straight up racist, and is also deliberately obfuscatory BS.Capt_Apollo wrote: »White Police Chief Loses It and Tells the Blunt TRUTH About Black Crime [VIDEO]
http://conservativetribune.com/police-black-crime/
You should have finished out your user name. What an amazing amount of assumptions you can make about a person for simply linking an article. Luckily your comment doesn't leave any room for assumptions about you.0 -
I vote every cop in the us gets from now until new years off, what good are they anyway amirite?0
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So help me god, if this thread is still standing when I get back to a computer I will burn it the *kitten* down along with every ignorant mother *kitten* posting dumb *kitten* comments in it. Every *kitten* one of you.-5
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Ahh... I miss the good old days - you know, when people were held accountable. 25-30 years ago, every single adult in the U.S. would tell you the same thing - if an officer of the law orders you to stop/freeze/put your hands where he can see them/get on the ground/ etc., you do what the officer says - period. Think about it honestly for one minute - what would you think if you overheard a parent telling their teenager "If a cop orders you to stop or freeze, punch him, charge at him or make a move like you're reaching for a gun - OK?"
As a society we have embraced rage, selfishness and outright disobedience as acceptable by people of all backgrounds. Teachers can't teach anymore, the military can't fight anymore and cops can't police our streets anymore. The result? Our children are being dumbed down little by little, we sit by and do nothing while the world is set on fire by ruthless dictators and terrorists, and in the streets EVERYONE is afraid: citizens are afraid of cops, cops are afraid of citizens and anyone who has the guts to stand up to do the dirty work that finds themselves in the unfortunate position of having to make a split second life-or-death decision already has one foot in the grave - whether they live or not.
And in the end, no one is treated fairly and the truth gets pushed aside for the headlines.0 -
The 2 teens killed in Missouri were up to no good and thats what happens when you live that life style. However that huge guy that got killed in new york didnt deserve it. Im about 190lbs and I wouldnt be so easy to take down either. You cant expect an obese man in his 50s to get down on the ground like hes some spring chicken . I think people should protest peace between cops and people. Not all cops are bad and not all civilians are criminals or cop killers .0
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