detox/juice/short term intense diet
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Im a little lost here with the conversation now anyways, you guys continue your discussion!
And thanks for all your inputs...
Anyone else who has some other valuable advice I'd welcome private messages.0 -
HeidiCooksSupper wrote: »I really feel like I need a week of intensive detox or juicing or some sort to get me back on it and feeling really good again. If I have something to follow I will do it to the letter.I believe that if what you call " detox " will provide you with the psychological push to get back on program, by all means do what you think makes things easy or even possible for you.
There it is in a nutshell. The "detox or juicing" thingies are NOT good for you but a short one won't hurt you. There is no reason to spend ANY money at all. Just use real food to make your shakes or whatever.
We often underestimate the placebo effect. Science is finding it is very powerful, even when we intellectually know that there is not really cause and effect. For some folks, adherence to a strict regimen for a short period of time that would not work in the long term works as to set a mental boundary that makes it easier to maintain a long term regimen. We see these kinds of short ritualistic regimens in force whenever we watch professional sports. Be it the Packers Quarterback doing a ritual beard yank yesterday or the odd dances batters go through before stepping to the plate in Major League Baseball, if they win, it's worked, and that is all that matters.
Haha yes so true! I don't believe in juicing or detoxing as a way to lose weight. It isn't maintainable and the weight will go back on blah blah blah, we all know... I didnt start this thread for that reason. I wanted to hear about people's experiences as a guide for something I could do as you suggest above. For a placebo effect for my mind, if something is down in writing and I have in my mind I have to follow it, or else. Then I will, and after a few days I know in my mind I will start to sub consciously start eating well again, as I always did in the past. Right now I'm stuck in a rut and need a kick up the *kitten* to get me going again
Being in a rut happens.
When I need a kick in the butt, I clear a day over the weekend. Then, I use that day to plan my meals for the week, make a great grocery list with everything that helps me hit my macros and then cook/chop/prepare everything for the fridge and freezer. Once I have everything prepared, it's really hard forme to go off the wagon because it's just as easy to grab something that fits than it is to grab takeout.
Thats a great idea. At the moment I'm away from home and in between places so am doing the best I can until I am back next week and I have a few days off from work I can get myself sorted, and then I have no excuses.0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread referred to 5:2 as "miraculous".
The OP went out of her way to say the juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
She initially said she wanted an intensive detox. Perhaps miraculous was the wrong word. Let me revise: Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means for intensive detox is silly. Because it is.
If someone wants to spend the 2 days of VLC guzzling smoothies and calling it an "intense detox", there's everything wrong with that.
Fixed it for you.
You're either failing to understand what was said, or you're claiming there's "everything" wrong with intermittent fasting.
Which one is it?
Nope... It was specifically for your comment that there's not a thing wrong with "guzzling smoothies" on a VLC diet. Whether it's for 2 days or 2 years, it's not healthy in the slightest.0 -
Would appreciate some constructive comments here. Forgive my impatience, this is the first time I've ever posted here and didn't expect this negativity.
constructive comment
if you aren't prepared to do a general- long term plan that involves moderate effort- what makes you think an intense one that leads to no results other than a pat on the back and you being miserable martyr for 5 days is going to do?
any plan involving "intense" is never going to be successful as any plan involving moderate long term changes.
Yes I see what you are saying.
However I have never had an issue before sustaining a healthy diet and exercise regime.I have had a fairly stressful few months and as I said, I have fallen off the wagon.
Anyhow, I wanted to do something to get my head back into gear. And to pick up where I left off, back in October!
Why the heck would I do some stupid diet for 5 days and go back to stuffing myself with chocolate and convince food like I have been for the last few weeks haha. That would be a waste of time an energy.
I was in the hospital for a few days last month, and was released on Thanksgiving day. I'm now being sent for a surgeon consult to have my colon resectioned. Everyone has problems, and everyone falls off the wagon. The point is that instead of using a trick to get yourself back on the proverbial wagon just restart doing what you would likely be doing anyhow - weighing and measuring food, logging it, exercising.
There's going to be chocolate in my day, and as long as I stay in my caloric goals I'm good. It's not a waste of my time and energy, it keeps me sane. If getting on the wagon meant giving up everything I enjoy, I'd never get on it much less stay on it.0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »Would appreciate some constructive comments here. Forgive my impatience, this is the first time I've ever posted here and didn't expect this negativity.
constructive comment
if you aren't prepared to do a general- long term plan that involves moderate effort- what makes you think an intense one that leads to no results other than a pat on the back and you being miserable martyr for 5 days is going to do?
any plan involving "intense" is never going to be successful as any plan involving moderate long term changes.
Yes I see what you are saying.
However I have never had an issue before sustaining a healthy diet and exercise regime.I have had a fairly stressful few months and as I said, I have fallen off the wagon.
Anyhow, I wanted to do something to get my head back into gear. And to pick up where I left off, back in October!
Why the heck would I do some stupid diet for 5 days and go back to stuffing myself with chocolate and convince food like I have been for the last few weeks haha. That would be a waste of time an energy.
I was in the hospital for a few days last month, and was released on Thanksgiving day. I'm now being sent for a surgeon consult to have my colon resectioned. Everyone has problems, and everyone falls off the wagon. The point is that instead of using a trick to get yourself back on the proverbial wagon just restart doing what you would likely be doing anyhow - weighing and measuring food, logging it, exercising.
There's going to be chocolate in my day, and as long as I stay in my caloric goals I'm good. It's not a waste of my time and energy, it keeps me sane. If getting on the wagon meant giving up everything I enjoy, I'd never get on it much less stay on it.
Sorry to hear that. I hope you get well soon.
I totally agree, however Im not suggesting id give up chocolate forever. That would be crazy haha. Just for a few days, cut out my sugar dairy and caffeine. Double up on my veg and ill probably be good to go.
Once I have done that for a few days I know ill safely be able to manage a chocolate without wanting the entire bag.
Anyway, we all have our own goals and our own opinions..I have no idea of your long term goals and neither do you of mine. Everyone has assumed that after the few days of fasting/detoxing/cleasing/whatever the f you wana call it. I will go back to my Christmas eating habits.
It doesn't matter any more, I have throughly learnt my lesson. I posted this in a 2 am daze and never expecting these responses. Clearly I hadn't thought my ideas through before putting them in front of such opinionated people. (Not you, you've been helpful however some others have not been).
So I thank you for that.
And I wish you a speedy recovery.0 -
Im a little lost here with the conversation now anyways, you guys continue your discussion!
And thanks for all your inputs...
Anyone else who has some other valuable advice I'd welcome private messages.
Lol, I know. Got lost in the conversation too. Too much off-topic discussion went down that I think they forgot what you were talking about in the first place when you started the thread. Hahaha.
Anyway, I've always wanted to try juicing! But I really prioritize exercise and I don't think I'll survive my workouts with just juices. What I usually do to motivate myself though is making changes to my diet. I try to just eat healthy for a few days then I get pumped to start combining said diet with working out. Or I just eat whatever I like (not in crazy amounts though) and then I get excited to burn all of that through exercise! hahaha0 -
#TeamIntermittentFasting-5
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lol at me getting flagged. It's nice to have a response to my posts by cowards. Umm so what happens if you get a ton of flags (besides a post being hidden)? serious question.-6
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I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.-3
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When it comes to diets, the only thing diets will help to slim down long year is your an account. Any diet is geared towards short term and mostly unsustainable change. Even counting calories, without the mind set that this will be your new mentality for life could fail. Making small changes over time I have found is more beneficial long term. Like smaller portions, less sugars, reduced soda intake etc will add up to big gains. Calories are like money. If you spend more that you make your reserve will shrink. If you take in more than you spend your reserves will grow. With informed food choices and a slight increase in activity your well on your way to sucess.0
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I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.
I love cleanses, cranberry juice and kale,.... but even I find this one bizarre.-3 -
TopazCutie wrote: »I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.
I love cleanses, cranberry juice and kale,.... but even I find this one bizarre.
He's joking... @dbmata is a regular on here.-1 -
Im a little lost here with the conversation now anyways, you guys continue your discussion!
And thanks for all your inputs...
Anyone else who has some other valuable advice I'd welcome private messages.
Lol, I know. Got lost in the conversation too. Too much off-topic discussion went down that I think they forgot what you were talking about in the first place when you started the thread. Hahaha.
Anyway, I've always wanted to try juicing! But I really prioritize exercise and I don't think I'll survive my workouts with just juices. What I usually do to motivate myself though is making changes to my diet. I try to just eat healthy for a few days then I get pumped to start combining said diet with working out. Or I just eat whatever I like (not in crazy amounts though) and then I get excited to burn all of that through exercise! hahaha
Thanks! I think you're right with the juice/working out! Probably not the best idea.
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I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.
I'm just going to leave this here for you..
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GaleHawkins wrote: »A seven pound gain could just be from going heavy on the carbs at this time of the year based on my experience.
Uh no. Carbs do not cause magical weight gain. Weight gain comes from eating calories over your maintenance.
It's water/fluid retention weight being referred to.
Think about it, someone goes low carb and loses a lot of kilos/pounds ( lot more than a on a CICO diet) in the first week which is water weight...when carbs are re-introduced there is an initial water/fluid retention gain.
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jasonmh630 wrote: »[I think you're right with the juice/working out! Probably not the best idea.
I think I've forgotten what I even posted as well!
You asked for some kind of "quick start plan" to get you motivated, and many of us have tried to persuade you that diets don't work. Please take our word for it—we've been there before.
If you need structure, I play a game called Heath Month: http://www.healthmonth.com It helps build healthy habits through gamification. You choose your own rules, such as "eat bright vegetables x days a week" or "limit alcohol" or "go to the gym" or "cook dinner." You check in every day, and gain (or lose) health points and fruit.
Your first month is free, and up to 3 public rules is always free. I find Health Month fun + motivating. I even have rules to "make the bed" and "clean my room."-3 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »TopazCutie wrote: »I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.
I love cleanses, cranberry juice and kale,.... but even I find this one bizarre.
He's joking... @dbmata is a regular on here.
No... duh?
I could tell by his over ten thousand posts. But thanks for coming out.-7 -
If you want a kickstart, take 5 doses of ex-lax. Just kidding. That's the only cleanse ever necessary and only after you haven't pooped for 6 days.
Just create a deficit and exercise, exercise, exercise. Do things that get your heart rate up, whether that means walking fast (or slow) running a 6 minute mile, cleaning out kitchen cabinets, jumping up and down, who cares.0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »TopazCutie wrote: »I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.
I love cleanses, cranberry juice and kale,.... but even I find this one bizarre.
He's joking... @dbmata is a regular on here.
I'm not joking at all. It's covered in a chapter I'm working on in my upcoming book.0 -
you're the devil.PrizePopple wrote: »I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.
I'm just going to leave this here for you..
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I read the first and last page. OP, I understand how you feel, I've been there, you feel ready to do something drastic, you maybe hate the look of body part x - I don't know about you, but I have tried crash diets like you're proposing (when I was young, youngggg). I never made it past lunch, and I always felt worse about myself for "failing".
I didn't fail, though, the diet did. I succeeded when I followed a slow and steady plan.0 -
Hi. I did the Clean 9 plan back in January. I did lose half a stone doing it, but knowing what I know now, I could have lost that amount just by cutting back. However, it did give me that really good kick start I needed so I'm glad I did it. Back then, I had 5-6 stone to lose. Now, like you, I only need to lose half a stone of that. I definitely wouldn't go near the Clean 9 for that - it's so expensive and not worth the money IMO. I'm planning just to go back to eating at a deficit for a few weeks until it's gone.
Good luck with whatever you decide to try - I certainly wouldn't knock anyone trying those kind of things for psychological reasons, but having been there, done that, I wouldn't recommend it.0 -
I don't know why people get all worked up by a crash diet or "kickstart."
If it works for the person to do something drastic to switch their mentality where is the harm?
A 3-5 day crash diet will result in real loss. Probably a pound of fat. The rest is water but so what? It still motivates you to find a true diet plan afterwards and work it.
A one week drastic diet is not going to destroy you. It will not damage you unless you have pre-existing medical conditions. I do not get what it is about this topic that has people up in arms. Just because something doesn't work for you does not mean that is the case for all. Everyone does it differently. OP is not asking for long term diet advice. She is asking about specific "starter" plans for motivation.
I started my diet in Sept with a one week drastic measure. I needed to change my patterns and habits and wipe the slate clean. I was having too many "will start eating right Monday's" and couldn't break the mentality of needing food often. I chose to do heavy restriction for a week to learn my true hunger cues and learn how much I really needed. It worked for me.
After that week I was able to make better choices. Natural food had more of an appeal. Honestly, Portion control was the best thing I learned. I was able to take a bite or two of something I was craving and walk away. Prior to this week I did a lot of mindless eating. Spending a week in heavy restriction changed that. I thought about food before eating it.
I was not in the mindset to "just do it" one day. I needed some insight first. It was not wrong. It was right FOR ME.
IF OP feels this may help here she should give it a shot. She will learn whether it was right or wrong FOR HER soon enough.
In Sept I was 140lbs.
Today I am 118.8 lbs. The weight will stay off now because my mindset has changed.
For everyone who says..well lets see in a year. Yes, let's. And if my mindset reverts back to old habits..at least I know how to re-motivate myself if I choose too. I am not looking for a "lifestyle change" and I am not on a "journey." I am doing what feels right for me right now, in this moment and nothing more. I cannot predict how I will feel or what will be in my path in the future. I just know that I have learned to understand what amount of food my body needs. If I choose to ignore that later it will be a choice. Not a failure.
It is one thing to offer suggestions. It is another to try and force your opinion as "the way."-1 -
herrspoons wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »TopazCutie wrote: »I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.
I love cleanses, cranberry juice and kale,.... but even I find this one bizarre.
He's joking... @dbmata is a regular on here.
I'm not joking at all. It's covered in a chapter I'm working on in my upcoming book.
Is the foreword by Dr. Oz? If so I'm defo buying it.
I had Stephen King on the hook for it, but Dr. Oz(ymandias) would be excellent. Maybe some of those screeching barn owls on the View.0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »[I think you're right with the juice/working out! Probably not the best idea.
I think I've forgotten what I even posted as well!
FYI... I did not write this. ^^^
Looks like someone somehow screwed up the quotes lol.
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I have to be honest, I would never take a path that was proven to waste time and work against progress, just to satisfy some imagined motivational 'need'.
Since motivation neither burns calories, nor increases your health nor builds strength... it seems like feeding that need, instead of your need for healthy activity, is just wasting time and energy just for the fun of wasting it, knowing full well you'll get no progress and only obstacles from it?
i dont get it.0 -
No one's being negative.
Read this: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants/p1
This this and this.....0 -
I do cleanses and they work very well I drink juice and eat apple sauce. Oatmeal is ok too if you feel hungry with it. Oatmeal is good to keep blood sugar stable. Ive lost weight many times doing this. I just had a baby and breastfeeding so can't right now.0
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I do cleanses and they work very well I drink juice and eat apple sauce. Oatmeal is ok too if you feel hungry with it. Oatmeal is good to keep blood sugar stable. Ive lost weight many times doing this. I just had a baby and breastfeeding so can't right now.
Perhaps you should find a system that doesn't require you to "lose weight so many times."-1 -
Don't engage the Topaz. Known troll account.jasonmh630 wrote: »TopazCutie wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »TopazCutie wrote: »I strongly suggest the cranberry and kale cleanse, basically, you drink cranberry juice for a day, eat kale and drink cranberry juice the next day. Then the third day, half your intake is kale and cranberry juice. The rest is protein, within reason.
I love cleanses, cranberry juice and kale,.... but even I find this one bizarre.
He's joking... @dbmata is a regular on here.
No... duh?
I could tell by his over ten thousand posts. But thanks for coming out.
No reason to be all douchey. Was just pointing that out. If you want to play with sarcasm, I can play this game too. Sarcasm is a second language.
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