detox/juice/short term intense diet
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TopazCutie wrote: »
This. I think misery loves company applies around here. Some people just can't stand to see you losing weight so fast and label it as being unhealthy and that it won't last. I've learned to just do my thing and let the numbers speak for my methods.
Yep, that's exactly what's happening here. We are all so jealous of you Topaz! Especially with all those amazing pics in your profile...
I'm so jealous that I, too, can't drink my food or crash diet. It really sucks being able to eat whatever I want in moderation. Maintenance sucks, too. Sigh.
Nope, it couldn't possibly be that we believe that detox's and crash diets are a poor mentality for sustained health. Or that we are conscious of lurkers out there who might believe this thread (and your constant, inane, posts) are justification for unhealthy behaviors.-2 -
Patttience wrote: »Do a two day fast. And try the fast diet approach when you eat 500 calories a day. check it out on the fast diet website there is a forum also.
I don't agree with juice fasts. Especially not for a week.
WUT? Just no.
The awesome part... that person signed up to be a noob guide. *face palm*-1 -
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Patttience wrote: »Do a two day fast. And try the fast diet approach when you eat 500 calories a day. check it out on the fast diet website there is a forum also.
I don't agree with juice fasts. Especially not for a week.
No! Fasting for long periods of time is dangerous. This is dangerous advice.
There's nothing even remotely dangerous about that advice.For those who are going to argue he is talking about Intermittent Fasting, reread the statement. There is no talk about days above 500 cals.
The "Fast Diet" IS 5:2.
Doh.
Reread what they wrote. Telling someone to only eat 500 cals for long periods of time IS dangerous.
I'm not the one who needs to re-read it - the post in question never advocated for that and specifically referenced the Fast Diet, which is classic 5:2 intermittent fasting.
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PrizePopple wrote: »Patttience wrote: »Do a two day fast. And try the fast diet approach when you eat 500 calories a day. check it out on the fast diet website there is a forum also.
I don't agree with juice fasts. Especially not for a week.
WUT? Just no.
The awesome part... that person signed up to be a noob guide. *face palm*
If I remember correctly, that same poster told someone trying to recover from an ED to "eat clean" and watch out for carbs. SMDH.
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PrizePopple wrote: »Patttience wrote: »Do a two day fast. And try the fast diet approach when you eat 500 calories a day. check it out on the fast diet website there is a forum also.
I don't agree with juice fasts. Especially not for a week.
WUT? Just no.
The awesome part... that person signed up to be a noob guide. *face palm*
If I remember correctly, that same poster told someone trying to recover from an ED to "eat clean" and watch out for carbs. SMDH.
Merida sums it up nicely. :laugh:0 -
Patttience wrote: »Do a two day fast. And try the fast diet approach when you eat 500 calories a day. check it out on the fast diet website there is a forum also.
I don't agree with juice fasts. Especially not for a week.
No! Fasting for long periods of time is dangerous. This is dangerous advice.
There's nothing even remotely dangerous about that advice.For those who are going to argue he is talking about Intermittent Fasting, reread the statement. There is no talk about days above 500 cals.
The "Fast Diet" IS 5:2.
Doh.
Reread what they wrote. Telling someone to only eat 500 cals for long periods of time IS dangerous.
I'm not the one who needs to re-read it - the post in question never advocated for that and specifically referenced the Fast Diet, which is classic 5:2 intermittent fasting.
There's nothing wrong with the 5:2 diet, but it requires a greater understanding of its methodology and some discipline to be consistent. Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.-1 -
Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread even put "5:2" and "miraculous" in the same sentence - until you did.
The OP went out of her way to say the short-term juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
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Would appreciate some constructive comments here. Forgive my impatience, this is the first time I've ever posted here and didn't expect this negativity.
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if you aren't prepared to do a general- long term plan that involves moderate effort- what makes you think an intense one that leads to no results other than a pat on the back and you being miserable martyr for 5 days is going to do?
any plan involving "intense" is never going to be successful as any plan involving moderate long term changes.
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Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread referred to 5:2 as "miraculous".
The OP went out of her way to say the juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
She initially said she wanted an intensive detox. Perhaps miraculous was the wrong word. Let me revise: Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means for intensive detox is silly. Because it is.
The 5:2 is only successful when employed consistently over time. Otherwise, it's just used as an excuse to starve (detox) for a few days. Again, I have no problem with the diet. I have a problem with abuse of the diet and, because it is easily abused, the OP should research it if she is interested in order to ensure it's something she can maintain healthfully.0 -
Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread referred to 5:2 as "miraculous".
The OP went out of her way to say the juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
She initially said she wanted an intensive detox. Perhaps miraculous was the wrong word. Let me revise: Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means for intensive detox is silly. Because it is.
If someone wants to spend the 2 days of VLC guzzling smoothies and calling it an "intense detox", there's not a thing wrong with that.
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and they come back and what do they say
"I lose XXX pounds using weight watchers- or MFP- and kept it off for bla months/years until XXXX event"
unlike people who detox and yo=yo for years the same 5-10 pounds.
One has a proven track record of successful weight loss- even if they fail over long term period of time to maintain- the results were there- and they were tangible. .0 -
Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread referred to 5:2 as "miraculous".
The OP went out of her way to say the juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
She initially said she wanted an intensive detox. Perhaps miraculous was the wrong word. Let me revise: Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means for intensive detox is silly. Because it is.
If someone wants to spend the 2 days of VLC guzzling smoothies and calling it a "detox", there's not a thing wrong with that.
That is your opinion. I think it's a bad precedent.0 -
Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread referred to 5:2 as "miraculous".
The OP went out of her way to say the juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
She initially said she wanted an intensive detox. Perhaps miraculous was the wrong word. Let me revise: Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means for intensive detox is silly. Because it is.
If someone wants to spend the 2 days of VLC guzzling smoothies and calling it a "detox", there's not a thing wrong with that.
That is your opinion. I think it's a bad precedent.
And I think you're derailing someone else's reasonable conversation by dragging your own dieting baggage into it.
It's not helpful.
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Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread referred to 5:2 as "miraculous".
The OP went out of her way to say the juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
She initially said she wanted an intensive detox. Perhaps miraculous was the wrong word. Let me revise: Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means for intensive detox is silly. Because it is.
If someone wants to spend the 2 days of VLC guzzling smoothies and calling it a "detox", there's not a thing wrong with that.
That is your opinion. I think it's a bad precedent.
And I think you're derailing someone else's reasonable conversation by dragging your own dieting baggage into it.
It's not helpful.
How have I derailed anything? It's a discussion. Just because people don't agree with you, doesn't mean we are "bringing in dieting baggage." It just means we don't agree.
Detox's/cleanses/crash diets are not sustainable for long term success. Taking a well-researched and consistent approach to a 5:2 diet is necessary for it to be successful.
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and they come back and what do they say
"I lose XXX pounds using weight watchers- or MFP- and kept it off for bla months/years until XXXX event"
unlike people who detox and yo=yo for years the same 5-10 pounds.
No, most of the come back a few months later looking for a new set of "motivational" friends after regaining the weight, stick to the "right" plan for a few weeks, fail and disappear again...repeat ad nauseum.One has a proven track record of successful weight loss- even if they fail over long term period of time to maintain- the results were there- and they were tangible. .
There is no dieting approach - or lifestyle change or whatever you want to call it - that has a high success rate. Not a single one. Most people attempting what you describe also fail.
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Okay, OP, I actually totally get what you are saying. People here can be a bit aggressive when the word juice cleanse is tossed around, but I completely understand wanting to stick to a super rigid diet for a little while in order to feel like you're getting back on your feet. Its totally mental, and I get that. I often do the same thing after the holidays- too many tasty sugary carbs in a row, it feels really good to eat fewer calories than normal and stick to things like fruits and veggies, green smoothies, etc. Basically like hitting a reset button so that it is easier to get back into healthy eating habits on a daily basis. Also, for me, after overeating for a few days it feels really good to slightly under eat for a few, it helps me lose all that bloaty grossness.
There are definitely meal plans out there if you google. If money isn't really an object you can pop into whole foods- they blend their own veggie juices in store. Those can still have a fair amount of sugar, but they do it the right way where you don't lose the fiber. I will sometimes use those as a lunch along with a salad and a piece of protein or scoop of cottage cheese when I'm feeling crummy after too much eating. I also really like the Vega all-in-one nutritional shake powder. Again, its not cheap, but it is plant based dairy free protein powder with LOADS of nutrients and it tastes pretty decent in vanilla or chocolate sugar free almond milk. That and a hard boiled egg can make a great breakfast. Maybe google "Whole 30" and print their meal plan? It is dairy free which not everyone loves but you can always add in yogurts and cheeses to round it out.0 -
and they come back and what do they say
"I lose XXX pounds using weight watchers- or MFP- and kept it off for bla months/years until XXXX event"
unlike people who detox and yo=yo for years the same 5-10 pounds.
No, most of the come back a few months later looking for a new set of "motivational" friends after regaining the weight, stick to the "right" plan for a few weeks, fail and disappear again...repeat ad nauseum.One has a proven track record of successful weight loss- even if they fail over long term period of time to maintain- the results were there- and they were tangible. .
There is no dieting approach - or lifestyle change or whatever you want to call it - that has a high success rate. Not a single one. Most people attempting what you describe also fail.
man someone really dislikes you- flagging the heck out of you LOL.
(not me by the way)...
shrug- I dunno- everyone I know personally has managed just fine maintaining their weight- the only issues are the vanity pounds- 5-15 people waffle on.
The only the things that work are the things you stick too- and detoxing once a month isnt' something sustainable. So regardless of if you seem to think it's got a high success rate- you CAN maintain your weight with moderation and a moderate plan of attack.0 -
JoanaMHill wrote: »We aren't being negative, we're being honest. You use the word "detox" and talk about "juice cleanses." The first once is a fallacy and the second is just asking for trouble. Most diets like that just get rid of water weight, which comes right back on once you're eating regularly, which just provides reason to be discouraged. You don't need to do anything special, and there's no such thing as a "kickstart" for your body.
Thank you for your advice and I am aware of the effects of these. I want more of a kick start for my mind, I don't expect my body to change during it. Perhaps I didnt phrase it very well.
Thanks anyway
Take a look at the Jillian Michaels 90-Day Body Revolution program.
She includes what she calls a "kickstart" week. It's not a "cleanse" but rather there are meal plans and workouts.0 -
and they come back and what do they say
"I lose XXX pounds using weight watchers- or MFP- and kept it off for bla months/years until XXXX event"
unlike people who detox and yo=yo for years the same 5-10 pounds.
No, most of the come back a few months later looking for a new set of "motivational" friends after regaining the weight, stick to the "right" plan for a few weeks, fail and disappear again...repeat ad nauseum.One has a proven track record of successful weight loss- even if they fail over long term period of time to maintain- the results were there- and they were tangible. .
There is no dieting approach - or lifestyle change or whatever you want to call it - that has a high success rate. Not a single one. Most people attempting what you describe also fail.
man someone really dislikes you- flagging the heck out of you LOL.
(not me by the way)...
shrug- I dunno- everyone I know personally has managed just fine maintaining their weight- the only issues are the vanity pounds- 5-15 people waffle on.
The only the things that work are the things you stick too- and detoxing once a month isnt' something sustainable. So regardless of if you seem to think it's got a high success rate- you CAN maintain your weight with moderation and a moderate plan of attack.
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if you aren't prepared to do a general- long term plan that involves moderate effort- what makes you think an intense one that leads to no results other than a pat on the back and you being miserable martyr for 5 days is going to do?
any plan involving "intense" is never going to be successful as any plan involving moderate long term changes.
I started my weight loss back in August after a pretty intensive 24 hours of throwing up and crapping out the Hoover Dam's worth of water every 10 minutes, then 2 more days of sleeping in bed.
When I finally was able to drag myself away from the toilet, I found I had lost 5 pounds.
Hey, I said. Why not capitalize on this? That's when I found MFP, logged on and started counting calories.
If I hadn't had those pretty intense three days, I don't know that I would have found the motivation to go on and lose 20 more pounds through CICO.
I don't care that those first five pounds were water weight. I don't care that once I started eating again, I gained three of them back immediately.
What I care about is that I had a pretty intensive kick in the *kitten* that got me started on a long-term plan of moderate weight loss.
I don't suggest the avian flu or whatever I had for everyone. I'm just saying that an intensive plan for several days may be exactly what someone needs to get their head in the right place.0 -
Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread referred to 5:2 as "miraculous".
The OP went out of her way to say the juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
She initially said she wanted an intensive detox. Perhaps miraculous was the wrong word. Let me revise: Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means for intensive detox is silly. Because it is.
If someone wants to spend the 2 days of VLC guzzling smoothies and calling it an "intense detox", there's everything wrong with that.
Fixed it for you.
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HeidiCooksSupper wrote: »I really feel like I need a week of intensive detox or juicing or some sort to get me back on it and feeling really good again. If I have something to follow I will do it to the letter.I believe that if what you call " detox " will provide you with the psychological push to get back on program, by all means do what you think makes things easy or even possible for you.
There it is in a nutshell. The "detox or juicing" thingies are NOT good for you but a short one won't hurt you. There is no reason to spend ANY money at all. Just use real food to make your shakes or whatever.
We often underestimate the placebo effect. Science is finding it is very powerful, even when we intellectually know that there is not really cause and effect. For some folks, adherence to a strict regimen for a short period of time that would not work in the long term works as to set a mental boundary that makes it easier to maintain a long term regimen. We see these kinds of short ritualistic regimens in force whenever we watch professional sports. Be it the Packers Quarterback doing a ritual beard yank yesterday or the odd dances batters go through before stepping to the plate in Major League Baseball, if they win, it's worked, and that is all that matters.
Haha yes so true! I don't believe in juicing or detoxing as a way to lose weight. It isn't maintainable and the weight will go back on blah blah blah, we all know... I didnt start this thread for that reason. I wanted to hear about people's experiences as a guide for something I could do as you suggest above. For a placebo effect for my mind, if something is down in writing and I have in my mind I have to follow it, or else. Then I will, and after a few days I know in my mind I will start to sub consciously start eating well again, as I always did in the past. Right now I'm stuck in a rut and need a kick up the *kitten* to get me going again 0 -
jasonmh630 wrote: »Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means to miraculously lose weight or "jump start" a weight loss program is silly.
The only silliness going on here is people getting all self righteous about their strawmen - nobody in this thread referred to 5:2 as "miraculous".
The OP went out of her way to say the juicing thing wasn't about weight loss, it was about refocusing her thought processes. There isn't a thing wrong with that....
She initially said she wanted an intensive detox. Perhaps miraculous was the wrong word. Let me revise: Suggesting the 5:2 diet as a means for intensive detox is silly. Because it is.
If someone wants to spend the 2 days of VLC guzzling smoothies and calling it an "intense detox", there's everything wrong with that.
Fixed it for you.
You're either failing to understand what was said, or you're claiming there's "everything" wrong with intermittent fasting.
Which one is it?
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HeidiCooksSupper wrote: »I really feel like I need a week of intensive detox or juicing or some sort to get me back on it and feeling really good again. If I have something to follow I will do it to the letter.I believe that if what you call " detox " will provide you with the psychological push to get back on program, by all means do what you think makes things easy or even possible for you.
There it is in a nutshell. The "detox or juicing" thingies are NOT good for you but a short one won't hurt you. There is no reason to spend ANY money at all. Just use real food to make your shakes or whatever.
We often underestimate the placebo effect. Science is finding it is very powerful, even when we intellectually know that there is not really cause and effect. For some folks, adherence to a strict regimen for a short period of time that would not work in the long term works as to set a mental boundary that makes it easier to maintain a long term regimen. We see these kinds of short ritualistic regimens in force whenever we watch professional sports. Be it the Packers Quarterback doing a ritual beard yank yesterday or the odd dances batters go through before stepping to the plate in Major League Baseball, if they win, it's worked, and that is all that matters.
Haha yes so true! I don't believe in juicing or detoxing as a way to lose weight. It isn't maintainable and the weight will go back on blah blah blah, we all know... I didnt start this thread for that reason. I wanted to hear about people's experiences as a guide for something I could do as you suggest above. For a placebo effect for my mind, if something is down in writing and I have in my mind I have to follow it, or else. Then I will, and after a few days I know in my mind I will start to sub consciously start eating well again, as I always did in the past. Right now I'm stuck in a rut and need a kick up the *kitten* to get me going again
Being in a rut happens.
When I need a kick in the butt, I clear a day over the weekend. Then, I use that day to plan my meals for the week, make a great grocery list with everything that helps me hit my macros and then cook/chop/prepare everything for the fridge and freezer. Once I have everything prepared, it's really hard forme to go off the wagon because it's just as easy to grab something that fits than it is to grab takeout.0 -
DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »if you aren't prepared to do a general- long term plan that involves moderate effort- what makes you think an intense one that leads to no results other than a pat on the back and you being miserable martyr for 5 days is going to do?
any plan involving "intense" is never going to be successful as any plan involving moderate long term changes.
I started my weight loss back in August after a pretty intensive 24 hours of throwing up and crapping out the Hoover Dam's worth of water every 10 minutes, then 2 more days of sleeping in bed.
When I finally was able to drag myself away from the toilet, I found I had lost 5 pounds.
Hey, I said. Why not capitalize on this? That's when I found MFP, logged on and started counting calories.
If I hadn't had those pretty intense three days, I don't know that I would have found the motivation to go on and lose 20 more pounds through CICO.
I don't care that those first five pounds were water weight. I don't care that once I started eating again, I gained three of them back immediately.
What I care about is that I had a pretty intensive kick in the *kitten* that got me started on a long-term plan of moderate weight loss.
I don't suggest the avian flu or whatever I had for everyone. I'm just saying that an intensive plan for several days may be exactly what someone needs to get their head in the right place.
Exactly!! Good for you!
I never had an issue before with my eating, my usual weekly shop would be mostly veg and meats and I wouldn't batter an eyelid to it. That I know is no problem.
It's getting back there. I've had a pretty tough few months and slowly started eating more for convince and found the healthy stuff a chore again.
I know once I get going it won't be an issue, I need some.motivation to get back going again and feeling the buzz I used to feel after a serious work out and loving all that glorious healthy food again.
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Would appreciate some constructive comments here. Forgive my impatience, this is the first time I've ever posted here and didn't expect this negativity.
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if you aren't prepared to do a general- long term plan that involves moderate effort- what makes you think an intense one that leads to no results other than a pat on the back and you being miserable martyr for 5 days is going to do?
any plan involving "intense" is never going to be successful as any plan involving moderate long term changes.
Yes I see what you are saying.
However I have never had an issue before sustaining a healthy diet and exercise regime.I have had a fairly stressful few months and as I said, I have fallen off the wagon.
Anyhow, I wanted to do something to get my head back into gear. And to pick up where I left off, back in October!
Why the heck would I do some stupid diet for 5 days and go back to stuffing myself with chocolate and convince food like I have been for the last few weeks haha. That would be a waste of time an energy.0
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