Exclusionary clothing stores.
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I can't wear things from there or 5*7*9 or Abercrombie. Also Victoria's Secret doesn't make a bra size big enough for me cup wise.
But I rock at finding cute clothes elsewhere, so that's no big.
I wont even go into a Victoria's Secret because Im positive they dont have anything in my size! I could be wrong but Im a doubtin' it lol
I'm a 34DD and I find lots of options in my size there.
I'm also a 34DD (measured at Victoria Secret and elsewhere) and VS bras can't contain the girls for 30 seconds... why on earth do they think a big chested woman wants or needs a shelf bra with padding...0 -
Women's sizing is sexist. Men's clothing, for the most part, use a pretty standard of measurement. It's usually in inches here in the US. I can go into any store pick up a 34X36 for my fiance and know it will fit him without him trying it on. Men's stores also carry a greater variety of sizes not uncommon to go into a store and find men's size small mixed in with men size XXXL. Men's clothing in general for the same cut type of fabric and level of sewing is less expensive.
Different is not sexism. Sexism is the believe one sex is superior to the other.
If women really wanted inch-based clothing, there would be demand for it, and the first company to sell clothes based on inches would be fabulously successful.
But they don't.
Hell, my waist is 33" and I have pants labeled (no kidding) 31, 32, 33, and 34. Four sizes that fit me. FOUR AH AH AH! Sexism.0 -
Different stores cater to different clientele. That's how they make their money. You don't see stores like Lane Bryant carrying my size and I'm not going to complain about that. That'd be like being pissed that a Mexican restaurant doesn't have Chinese food on their menu.
I dont see the similarities. She went into a store that sales XL tops. She wears an XL I assume at other stores without issue. The company cuts the sizes so small she couldnt wear what she normally wears. How is that good business and a way to make money?
Different stores, different sizing. I'm different sizes in different stores. Her post title is also "exclusionary" clothing stores so that made me think that the issue is stores that cater to different sizes.
Also, she said she can "squeeze" into an XL....
ETA: The OP wants to go all "pretty woman" on the store because she couldn't find her size (which, hello, happens to everyone. sometimes stores run out of sizes!) and because an employee made an offhand comment that wasn't very tactful even though she probably didn't think before she said it and didn't intend to be hurtful.
Well I find the sizing of women's clothing sexist and confusing, but that's a different post. I wasnt aware it was a junior store.
How is clothing size sexist? :noway:
As far as confusing, I really don't understand how it can be confusing. You don't fit into a size, go back for a different one. It's just a number on a label!
Women's sizing is sexist. Men's clothing, for the most part, use a pretty standard of measurement. It's usually in inches here in the US. I can go into any store pick up a 34X36 for my fiance and know it will fit him without him trying it on. Men's stores also carry a greater variety of sizes not uncommon to go into a store and find men's size small mixed in with men size XXXL. Men's clothing in general for the same cut type of fabric and level of sewing is less expensive.
Women's sizing varies greatly even in the same stores you could have pants sized 10-12 whatever (BTW where do they get women's sizing numbers) or they have M,L, or some stores even do goofy color sizing your a yellow size. What the heck is a yellow size?
Oh and what the heck is size 0 how can ones body cease to be a size?
Go take a look at men's clothing again. I wear different sized jeans based on the brand and it can vary by up to 4 inches. Guys have waists and thighs but I guess the clothing manufacturers are being sexist because they think all guys have the same waist to thigh ratio?
But it's still measured in inches or are you a size blue? You guys can argue with me all you want, but I just want you to go one day buy yourself a pair of jeans and buy your wife a pair of jeans straight off the rack and report back.
That doesn't mean that the inches are correct or consistent among brands. And for the record, I have shopped with my wife for 20 years. I'm probably more familiar than most men with women's clothing as I have bought things for my wife and I shop with her often. We both take about the same amount of time trying to find clothes that fit. If you want to just whine, by all means be my guest. I'm sure the entire world is arrayed against you.0 -
I went into a store and asked if they had pants in tall sizes (I'm 5 11). Sales person said they didn't carry clothes in my size.
Gee, that's funny. I was wearing a sweater in their label that I picked up from a second hand store.
<shouldershrug> I never went back there.0 -
Different stores cater to different clientele. That's how they make their money. You don't see stores like Lane Bryant carrying my size and I'm not going to complain about that. That'd be like being pissed that a Mexican restaurant doesn't have Chinese food on their menu.
Honestly, I can't think of a thing that tops this, so I'll just quote it
My thoughts exactly. Most stores are exclusionary to me right now....I'm broke.0 -
I HATE Shopping for the reason that i can't find things that fit me PROPERLY! I simply don't shop at places where I find clothing that doesn't fit or have the structure that will make my body look good and make me feel good! Its one reason why i became a designer and why I design with me in mind. Good quality garments with structure and shape go a long way. Lets also face it, a teen store is NOT the place for a WOMAN to shop. Usually they have little structure and are cheeply made! The key is always to find something that Fits AND can be tailored to fit your body the best. A tailor is a girls best friend (right after diamonds) and that goes for WHATEVER size you are!0
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Different stores cater to different clientele. That's how they make their money. You don't see stores like Lane Bryant carrying my size and I'm not going to complain about that. That'd be like being pissed that a Mexican restaurant doesn't have Chinese food on their menu.
I dont see the similarities. She went into a store that sales XL tops. She wears an XL I assume at other stores without issue. The company cuts the sizes so small she couldnt wear what she normally wears. How is that good business and a way to make money?
Different stores, different sizing. I'm different sizes in different stores. Her post title is also "exclusionary" clothing stores so that made me think that the issue is stores that cater to different sizes.
Also, she said she can "squeeze" into an XL....
ETA: The OP wants to go all "pretty woman" on the store because she couldn't find her size (which, hello, happens to everyone. sometimes stores run out of sizes!) and because an employee made an offhand comment that wasn't very tactful even though she probably didn't think before she said it and didn't intend to be hurtful.
Well I find the sizing of women's clothing sexist and confusing, but that's a different post. I wasnt aware it was a junior store.
How is clothing size sexist? :noway:
As far as confusing, I really don't understand how it can be confusing. You don't fit into a size, go back for a different one. It's just a number on a label!
Women's sizing is sexist. Men's clothing, for the most part, use a pretty standard of measurement. It's usually in inches here in the US. I can go into any store pick up a 34X36 for my fiance and know it will fit him without him trying it on. Men's stores also carry a greater variety of sizes not uncommon to go into a store and find men's size small mixed in with men size XXXL. Men's clothing in general for the same cut type of fabric and level of sewing is less expensive.
Women's sizing varies greatly even in the same stores you could have pants sized 10-12 whatever (BTW where do they get women's sizing numbers) or they have M,L, or some stores even do goofy color sizing your a yellow size. What the heck is a yellow size?
Oh and what the heck is size 0 how can ones body cease to be a size?
Go take a look at men's clothing again. I wear different sized jeans based on the brand and it can vary by up to 4 inches. Guys have waists and thighs but I guess the clothing manufacturers are being sexist because they think all guys have the same waist to thigh ratio?
But it's still measured in inches or are you a size blue? You guys can argue with me all you want, but I just want you to go one day buy yourself a pair of jeans and buy your wife a pair of jeans straight off the rack and report back.
I have never heard of this color coded sizing you're talking about.
I also DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM with trying on a size and if it doesn't fit, *gasp* going back for a different one.
I have far more important things to get upset about. Clothing store's sizing is hardly a concern of mine.0 -
Different stores cater to different clientele. That's how they make their money. You don't see stores like Lane Bryant carrying my size and I'm not going to complain about that. That'd be like being pissed that a Mexican restaurant doesn't have Chinese food on their menu.
I dont see the similarities. She went into a store that sales XL tops. She wears an XL I assume at other stores without issue. The company cuts the sizes so small she couldnt wear what she normally wears. How is that good business and a way to make money?
Different stores, different sizing. I'm different sizes in different stores. Her post title is also "exclusionary" clothing stores so that made me think that the issue is stores that cater to different sizes.
Also, she said she can "squeeze" into an XL....
ETA: The OP wants to go all "pretty woman" on the store because she couldn't find her size (which, hello, happens to everyone. sometimes stores run out of sizes!) and because an employee made an offhand comment that wasn't very tactful even though she probably didn't think before she said it and didn't intend to be hurtful.
Well I find the sizing of women's clothing sexist and confusing, but that's a different post. I wasnt aware it was a junior store.
How is clothing size sexist? :noway:
As far as confusing, I really don't understand how it can be confusing. You don't fit into a size, go back for a different one. It's just a number on a label!
Women's sizing is sexist. Men's clothing, for the most part, use a pretty standard of measurement. It's usually in inches here in the US. I can go into any store pick up a 34X36 for my fiance and know it will fit him without him trying it on. Men's stores also carry a greater variety of sizes not uncommon to go into a store and find men's size small mixed in with men size XXXL. Men's clothing in general for the same cut type of fabric and level of sewing is less expensive.
Women's sizing varies greatly even in the same stores you could have pants sized 10-12 whatever (BTW where do they get women's sizing numbers) or they have M,L, or some stores even do goofy color sizing your a yellow size. What the heck is a yellow size?
Oh and what the heck is size 0 how can ones body cease to be a size?
I guess I'm a paper doll. Size 0 is now huge in most stores. Vanity sizing, it's just business.0 -
::Edited because I realized I was typing slower then I was thinking and left out a few words... lol::
I am very short. Instead of getting upset that very, very, very few stores carry my size, I just choose to find the ones that do and stick to them. And alterations are a must if you want adult clothing and am the size of an average 5th grader...
Has anyone put any consideration into the fact that the store clerk might actually have been trying to make the OP feel better by saying that it wasn't the OP's size that was the problem, it was that the store size ran small? After all, it sounds like she really was trying to help the OP find the right shirt before she said the comment. Still kind of thoughtless but it may not have been intended to be hurtful.0 -
I can't wear things from there or 5*7*9 or Abercrombie. Also Victoria's Secret doesn't make a bra size big enough for me cup wise.
But I rock at finding cute clothes elsewhere, so that's no big.
I wont even go into a Victoria's Secret because Im positive they dont have anything in my size! I could be wrong but Im a doubtin' it lol
I'm a 34DD and I find lots of options in my size there.
I'm also a 34DD (measured at Victoria Secret and elsewhere) and VS bras can't contain the girls for 30 seconds... why on earth do they think a big chested woman wants or needs a shelf bra with padding...
Weird. They fit me just fine and I dont mind a little padding or push up, I think its a sexy look.0 -
Anyone ever have a similar experience at a clothing store?
I keep hearing how Victoria's Secret has the cutest and softest pjs but I went in there and they didn't have a thing I could wear. I finally got the attention of one of the clerks and asked her "Where's the section with clothes for me?". She just looked at me and said "We only sell clothes to women here." Pffft!
I'm so tired of being excluded because of my gender. Didn't we settle all this sexist exclusionary stuff years ago? Apparently not. Just to show her she wasn't the boss of me I grabbed a black thong and when she rung up the sale I quietly told her "I'm wearing this tonight." Ha ha! Who's laughing now lady?
:laugh: THIS IS UTTERLY FANTASTIC! (You're response that is)
How dare VS discriminate against the trangendered. I hope this is not a company policy. If they discriminate against transgender or cross dressing people than I wont even buy perfume from them again. If you want to wear soft PJ or a black thong from VS than so be it.0 -
Yeah, I'll pretty much cry a little tear the day I'm too small for Torrid & Lane Bryant. They are the only stores that treat me decently when I shop there. I will have no idea where to get clothes at that point.
ETA Perhaps it's just that ONE sales person and not the store as a whole... but if I repeatedly got that kind of treatment at a store I'd never go back & just find some place else to get my clothes. But that's me
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What I hate about shopping is that the clothes is either expensive or blouses are like Florida outdated sofa prints.Catherine's is the worst,the clothes is so ugly and expensive. Lane bryant has cute clothes but alot of the blouses are ridiculously short and shrink after the first wash.Avenue is in the middle for me as I prefer their clothes and is a bit less expensive.Forget about clothing at the mall,it's non-existant for us big girls which is freaking depressing. I shop at Target sometimes,good thing I'm a little on the taller side at 5'7" because their pants run long...My poor mom wears capri's as pants from there lol I've heard of some online stores but it's a little tricky trying to figure out an accurate size so I don't even bother. It's a miserable feeling for sure.
Once had a lovely time on another web board listening to a bunch of women go on about how they were so UNHAPPY about the availability of fashionable plus-sized clothing, because it meant that "fat people could dress nicely" and "then they wouldn't understand how awful it is to be fat." Apparently, the whole "Oh, if you're over size 12, you only get nasty polyester in ugly floral prints" thing is a public health service!0 -
Different stores cater to different clientele. That's how they make their money. You don't see stores like Lane Bryant carrying my size and I'm not going to complain about that. That'd be like being pissed that a Mexican restaurant doesn't have Chinese food on their menu.
Truth. I actually have problems with vanity sizing, where I am looking for XS or S, and find that most actually look like they should be at least an M.0 -
If women really wanted inch-based clothing, there would be demand for it, and the first company to sell clothes based on inches would be fabulously successful.
But they don't.
Sorry i beg to differ, It women see what their waist hip and inseam length are on a size it will be even worse, most women wear clothing that fits horribly because they can't face the face that they need a bigger size...Lets put a number that makes it SEEM visually like we are big and see how much more women degrade themselves because they are now a size 38 waist.... I don't see that being sucessful. A standardization would be great accross brands, but that is NOT the answer in my opinion.0 -
As a very tall and built like it person exclusion from many stores is just a way of life. Hard to find a 36inch inseam in pants anywhere, and most bra stores go MAYBE to a DD, I passed that ages ago! And then there is the ever present "this is knee length on "normal sized" people" which comes off as a mini skirt on me! Shoe shopping is the worst though, most brands only go up to size 10. The best incident happened while living in Paris when I was told that "there is a street for people like you". HAHAHA it's one of my favourite living abroad stories!0
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Yeah, I'll pretty much cry a little tear the day I'm too small for Torrid & Lane Bryant. They are the only stores that treat me decently when I shop there. I will have no idea where to get clothes at that point.
One of the other posters said they are owned by the Limited Company, so I would encourage you to patronize those stores. I feel the same way you do.0 -
Yeah, I'll pretty much cry a little tear the day I'm too small for Torrid & Lane Bryant. They are the only stores that treat me decently when I shop there. I will have no idea where to get clothes at that point.
Same here, Im slightly afraid of the day I cant fit into my Torrid bathing suit anymore! I just hope I can find another one just as cute.. plus I love the girl at my local store. They're so awesome.0 -
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I have never heard of this color coded sizing you're talking about.
I also DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM with trying on a size and if it doesn't fit, *gasp* going back for a different one.
I have far more important things to get upset about. Clothing store's sizing is hardly a concern of mine.
The color coding is usually on the hanger and corrisponds with the size number... I think it's for faster browsing but the color codes vary by store.. Walmart and Kohl's (among many others) do this.
In any regard, I usually grab 3 of one thing... the size I usually am and one on each side.. because invariably I will be different with each item, let alone brand. I bought a skirt from Stein Mart a while ago that is a Medium... this butt isn't a medium unless I am at least 130 pounds.... which is not what I am right now... But I also have a dress that is size 16... though I am most consistantly a 12.0 -
I can't wear things from there or 5*7*9 or Abercrombie. Also Victoria's Secret doesn't make a bra size big enough for me cup wise.
But I rock at finding cute clothes elsewhere, so that's no big.
I wont even go into a Victoria's Secret because Im positive they dont have anything in my size! I could be wrong but Im a doubtin' it lol
I'm a 34DD and I find lots of options in my size there.
I'm also a 34DD (measured at Victoria Secret and elsewhere) and VS bras can't contain the girls for 30 seconds... why on earth do they think a big chested woman wants or needs a shelf bra with padding...
Weird. They fit me just fine and I dont mind a little padding or push up, I think its a sexy look.
I can't stand it... I feel like they are going to pop out any second. :laugh:0 -
If women really wanted inch-based clothing, there would be demand for it, and the first company to sell clothes based on inches would be fabulously successful.
But they don't.
Sorry i beg to differ, It women see what their waist hip and inseam length are on a size it will be even worse, most women wear clothing that fits horribly because they can't face the face that they need a bigger size...Lets put a number that makes it SEEM visually like we are big and see how much more women degrade themselves because they are now a size 38 waist.... I don't see that being sucessful. A standardization would be great accross brands, but that is NOT the answer in my opinion.
Yeah vanity sizing instead of accepting your waist is 38 inches its easier to accept its a 14 or wte it corresponds to lame. Ugh another soap box.0 -
I can't wear things from there or 5*7*9 or Abercrombie. Also Victoria's Secret doesn't make a bra size big enough for me cup wise.
But I rock at finding cute clothes elsewhere, so that's no big.
I wont even go into a Victoria's Secret because Im positive they dont have anything in my size! I could be wrong but Im a doubtin' it lol
I'm a 34DD and I find lots of options in my size there.
I'm also a 34DD (measured at Victoria Secret and elsewhere) and VS bras can't contain the girls for 30 seconds... why on earth do they think a big chested woman wants or needs a shelf bra with padding...
Weird. They fit me just fine and I dont mind a little padding or push up, I think its a sexy look.
I can't stand it... I feel like they are going to pop out any second. :laugh:
Two different women two different shaped tatas. Another soap box bra sizing.0 -
If anyone wants to know what true size they are, then they need to get a pattern and make their own clothing... let me tell you, I do not fit in a size 12 pattern AT all...0
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I have never heard of this color coded sizing you're talking about.
I also DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM with trying on a size and if it doesn't fit, *gasp* going back for a different one.
I have far more important things to get upset about. Clothing store's sizing is hardly a concern of mine.
The color coding is usually on the hanger and corrisponds with the size number... I think it's for faster browsing but the color codes vary by store.. Walmart and Kohl's (among many others) do this.
In any regard, I usually grab 3 of one thing... the size I usually am and one on each side.. because invariably I will be different with each item, let alone brand. I bought a skirt from Stein Mart a while ago that is a Medium... this butt isn't a medium unless I am at least 130 pounds.... which is not what I am right now... But I also have a dress that is size 16... though I am most consistantly a 12.
This is what I do also but then when you are stores where they limit the number of items it sucks! I want to take it all in at once! I hate actually trying on clothes so I want to do it as quickly as possible.0 -
If women really wanted inch-based clothing, there would be demand for it, and the first company to sell clothes based on inches would be fabulously successful.
But they don't.
Sorry i beg to differ, It women see what their waist hip and inseam length are on a size it will be even worse, most women wear clothing that fits horribly because they can't face the face that they need a bigger size...Lets put a number that makes it SEEM visually like we are big and see how much more women degrade themselves because they are now a size 38 waist.... I don't see that being sucessful. A standardization would be great accross brands, but that is NOT the answer in my opinion.
Actually I think a lot of stores do offer "inch" based sizes...I wear a 27 or 28 in bebe (size 4)...miss me, lucky and most other brands at Buckle are sized this way as well.
I dont think it solves the problem of being able to just grab a size and go as we women have many different styles and fits so we need to try them on first...0 -
If women really wanted inch-based clothing, there would be demand for it, and the first company to sell clothes based on inches would be fabulously successful.
But they don't.
Sorry i beg to differ, It women see what their waist hip and inseam length are on a size it will be even worse, most women wear clothing that fits horribly because they can't face the face that they need a bigger size...Lets put a number that makes it SEEM visually like we are big and see how much more women degrade themselves because they are now a size 38 waist.... I don't see that being sucessful. A standardization would be great accross brands, but that is NOT the answer in my opinion.
Yeah vanity sizing instead of accepting your waist is 38 inches its easier to accept its a 14 or wte it corresponds to lame. Ugh another soap box.
Men have vanity sizing as well... it's just not as transparent... my husbands waistline as grown (as mine has as well) but his waist "size" has not.0 -
How dare VS discriminate against the trangendered. I hope this is not a company policy. If they discriminate against transgender or cross dressing people than I wont even buy perfume from them again. If you want to wear soft PJ or a black thong from VS than so be it.
They don't.0 -
I can't wear things from there or 5*7*9 or Abercrombie. Also Victoria's Secret doesn't make a bra size big enough for me cup wise.
But I rock at finding cute clothes elsewhere, so that's no big.
Ditto on the Victoria's Secret. Even at my smallest and too thin I couldn't shop there.
VS has a large selection of clothes and a much wider selection of bra sizes online. Even when I was at my very largest (5'7", 230+ pounds) I still found clothes there with ease. It's all online though
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If women really wanted inch-based clothing, there would be demand for it, and the first company to sell clothes based on inches would be fabulously successful.
But they don't.
Sorry i beg to differ, It women see what their waist hip and inseam length are on a size it will be even worse, most women wear clothing that fits horribly because they can't face the face that they need a bigger size...Lets put a number that makes it SEEM visually like we are big and see how much more women degrade themselves because they are now a size 38 waist.... I don't see that being sucessful. A standardization would be great accross brands, but that is NOT the answer in my opinion.
VERY true.0
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