21 Day sugar detox
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I am a little shocked that there are people still walking around saying that sugar does not cause weight gain. Have you not heard of type 2 diabetes. Refined carbohydrate and sugar are absolutely the cause of this. Of course, I don't think I can eat 5000 calories a day and lose weight just by not getting those calories form sugar. I stated in my post that I will stick to my fitness pals calorie goal. I am just attempting to eliminate refined sugar from my diet because I am borderline diabetic and I have massive carb cravings. I have tried every low fat high carb diet known to man without success. I am 30% overweight and lightly active. I walk a lot. I have read plenty of books and articles about how eliminating sugar and refined carbs and replacing these with fats will help with weight loss. I was just asking if anyone had done this 21 day sugar detox programme and actually not lost any weight. I intend to follow this for 21 days and see if I feel any better. Energy wise, weight loss wise and generally from a health point of view. I will let you know if eliminating sugar helps me lose weight in 19 days time. If it does, then I will certainly be continuing with this way of eating. If it doesn't then I might just stay in bed for the rest of my life.
Um... seeing as diabetes is an autoimmune disease and is largely genetic... eating too much sugar is not the sole cause of it or being overweight... it may be a catalyst for some folks, but is not the cause.
I don't really recommend diets such as these because they typically lead to binges... but hey, if you can stick with it and it helps you... go for it.
there is definitely a genetic link in Type II DM - but i think you are talking about type 1 DM which is an autoimmune destruction of Islet cells in the pancreas - but maybe i read your post wrong
Maybe I am confusing the two... or maybe I understood incorrectly that both types are auto-immune... [/
I am by no means an expert but have done a lot of reading and research about this because I have a family history of diabetes. My sister is Type 1 and my father, uncles on my dad's side and Aunty on my sisters side are type 2.
My understanding is that Type 1 is ultimately the complete malfunction of the pancreas (no insulin is produced) this is both genetic and autoimmune. Type 2, however is when the pancreas cannot cope. This is as a direct result of excess dietary sugar. The pancreas is pumping out insulin to deal with high sugar influx. Insulin is released as a result of a raise in blood sugar. It tells the cells to open its doors to receive glucose. Hi concentrations of glucose is the blood and cells cause the cells not to respond to the insulin ( insulin resistance) . The pancreas creates more insulin to clear the blood of glucose without success. Eventually the pancreas just can't cope anymore. To my simple mind this means sugar causes diabetes. This is not only table sugar but all the refined carbs that turn to sugar very quickly once digested.0 -
I am by no means an expert but have done a lot of reading and research about this because I have a family history of diabetes. My sister is Type 1 and my father, uncles on my dad's side and Aunty on my sisters side are type 2.I am a little shocked that there are people still walking around saying that sugar does not cause weight gain. Have you not heard of type 2 diabetes. Refined carbohydrate and sugar are absolutely the cause of this. Of course, I don't think I can eat 5000 calories a day and lose weight just by not getting those calories form sugar. I stated in my post that I will stick to my fitness pals calorie goal. I am just attempting to eliminate refined sugar from my diet because I am borderline diabetic and I have massive carb cravings. I have tried every low fat high carb diet known to man without success. I am 30% overweight and lightly active. I walk a lot. I have read plenty of books and articles about how eliminating sugar and refined carbs and replacing these with fats will help with weight loss. I was just asking if anyone had done this 21 day sugar detox programme and actually not lost any weight. I intend to follow this for 21 days and see if I feel any better. Energy wise, weight loss wise and generally from a health point of view. I will let you know if eliminating sugar helps me lose weight in 19 days time. If it does, then I will certainly be continuing with this way of eating. If it doesn't then I might just stay in bed for the rest of my life.
Um... seeing as diabetes is an autoimmune disease and is largely genetic... eating too much sugar is not the sole cause of it or being overweight... it may be a catalyst for some folks, but is not the cause.
I don't really recommend diets such as these because they typically lead to binges... but hey, if you can stick with it and it helps you... go for it.
there is definitely a genetic link in Type II DM - but i think you are talking about type 1 DM which is an autoimmune destruction of Islet cells in the pancreas - but maybe i read your post wrong
Maybe I am confusing the two... or maybe I understood incorrectly that both types are auto-immune...
My understanding is that Type 1 is ultimately the complete malfunction of the pancreas (no insulin is produced) this is both genetic and autoimmune. Type 2, however is when the pancreas cannot cope. This is as a direct result of excess dietary sugar. The pancreas is pumping out insulin to deal with high sugar influx. Insulin is released as a result of a raise in blood sugar. It tells the cells to open its doors to receive glucose. Hi concentrations of glucose is the blood and cells cause the cells not to respond to the insulin ( insulin resistance) . The pancreas creates more insulin to clear the blood of glucose without success. Eventually the pancreas just can't cope anymore. To my simple mind this means sugar causes diabetes. This is not only table sugar but all the refined carbs that turn to sugar very quickly once digested.
No. Whatever quack websites or old defunct books you've been reading, sue them. Genetics and obesity lead to diabetes, not carbs.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sugar doesn't cause weight gain. Eating more calories does. Eliminating sugar doesn't cause weight loss. Creating a calorie deficit does.
If reducing sugar helps you create that deficit (and/or helps reducing cravings), great. Otherwise, you may be in for a disappointment.
but my dermatologist said too much sugar cause wrinkles and make u look older ...0 -
MarziPanda95 wrote: »
I am by no means an expert but have done a lot of reading and research about this because I have a family history of diabetes. My sister is Type 1 and my father, uncles on my dad's side and Aunty on my sisters side are type 2.I am a little shocked that there are people still walking around saying that sugar does not cause weight gain. Have you not heard of type 2 diabetes. Refined carbohydrate and sugar are absolutely the cause of this. Of course, I don't think I can eat 5000 calories a day and lose weight just by not getting those calories form sugar. I stated in my post that I will stick to my fitness pals calorie goal. I am just attempting to eliminate refined sugar from my diet because I am borderline diabetic and I have massive carb cravings. I have tried every low fat high carb diet known to man without success. I am 30% overweight and lightly active. I walk a lot. I have read plenty of books and articles about how eliminating sugar and refined carbs and replacing these with fats will help with weight loss. I was just asking if anyone had done this 21 day sugar detox programme and actually not lost any weight. I intend to follow this for 21 days and see if I feel any better. Energy wise, weight loss wise and generally from a health point of view. I will let you know if eliminating sugar helps me lose weight in 19 days time. If it does, then I will certainly be continuing with this way of eating. If it doesn't then I might just stay in bed for the rest of my life.
Um... seeing as diabetes is an autoimmune disease and is largely genetic... eating too much sugar is not the sole cause of it or being overweight... it may be a catalyst for some folks, but is not the cause.
I don't really recommend diets such as these because they typically lead to binges... but hey, if you can stick with it and it helps you... go for it.
there is definitely a genetic link in Type II DM - but i think you are talking about type 1 DM which is an autoimmune destruction of Islet cells in the pancreas - but maybe i read your post wrong
Maybe I am confusing the two... or maybe I understood incorrectly that both types are auto-immune...
My understanding is that Type 1 is ultimately the complete malfunction of the pancreas (no insulin is produced) this is both genetic and autoimmune. Type 2, however is when the pancreas cannot cope. This is as a direct result of excess dietary sugar. The pancreas is pumping out insulin to deal with high sugar influx. Insulin is released as a result of a raise in blood sugar. It tells the cells to open its doors to receive glucose. Hi concentrations of glucose is the blood and cells cause the cells not to respond to the insulin ( insulin resistance) . The pancreas creates more insulin to clear the blood of glucose without success. Eventually the pancreas just can't cope anymore. To my simple mind this means sugar causes diabetes. This is not only table sugar but all the refined carbs that turn to sugar very quickly once digested.
No. Whatever quack websites or old defunct books you've been reading, sue them. Genetics and obesity lead to diabetes, not carbs.
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So what leads to obesity then. Because we seem sure that it's not the macro nutrient dense high refined carbohydrate food we have been told is healthy for the last 30 years. The stuff I am reading is not old at all. Dr David Perlmutter, Professor Tim Noakes. Scandinavian countries have already changed their dietary guidelines to a higher fat and lower carbohydrate program because of the evidence that our dietary guidelines have caused an increase in diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's. Read some yourself because it certainly made sense to me.0
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So what leads to obesity then. Because we seem sure that it's not the macro nutrient dense high refined carbohydrate food we have been told is healthy for the last 30 years. The stuff I am reading is not old at all. Dr David Perlmutter, Professor Tim Noakes. Scandinavian countries have already changed their dietary guidelines to a higher fat and lower carbohydrate program because of the evidence that our dietary guidelines have caused an increase in diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's. Read some yourself because it certainly made sense to me.
Carbs and refined food did not lead to my obesity. Eating over my calorie limit over many years did. In fact, I lost my weight (123 pounds) while eating plenty of carbs, refined sugar and processed foods. My husband too, at 125 pounds lost, eats the same stuff I do. Like somone else said, its a gimmick. You do not have to cut out anything completely, unless its for personal reasons other than weight loss. For most of us, attempting to cut out certain foods, was part of what caused us to fail at losing weight in the past. It wasnt sustainable.
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I think it is a combination of not enough exercise, too much stress, too many calories, processed, fatty and sugary foods. I'm no expert but I think moderation is the best motto and a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.0
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Sometimes it is almost unfortunate that we have the world of information at our fingertips, honestly there is so much conflicting information out there. Personally I steer clear of anything that is the latest fad, and am suspicious of any "Dr" who feels they need to sell me something, or sign me up to something to help me lose weight. It does come down to basic maths, make sure you have a calorie deficit. If this isn't working then seek professional help from your local doctor who is paid to simply give you the best professional advice and not to sell you something or sign you up.
You mention that you are "boarderline diabetic" so this leads me to believe you have already consulted your doctor. I would highly recommend you talk to them about the pros/cons of a sugar detox, they may also have other suggestions on how to beat the cravings. We all have to find a way to deal with cravings our own way, and everyone is different.
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So what leads to obesity then. Because we seem sure that it's not the macro nutrient dense high refined carbohydrate food we have been told is healthy for the last 30 years. The stuff I am reading is not old at all. Dr David Perlmutter, Professor Tim Noakes. Scandinavian countries have already changed their dietary guidelines to a higher fat and lower carbohydrate program because of the evidence that our dietary guidelines have caused an increase in diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's. Read some yourself because it certainly made sense to me.
Eating too much. Plain and simple.
My personal experience is I can over eat a lot easier on higher carb foods, as some can be very calorie dense and not as satisfying to my appetite as foods high in fat or protein.
So for me cutting back on the carbs was a great tool for controlling my calorie intake and helps me keep in and around a deficit.
But at the end of the day weight gain is still eating in a calorie surplus.
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magnolia_ah wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sugar doesn't cause weight gain. Eating more calories does. Eliminating sugar doesn't cause weight loss. Creating a calorie deficit does.
If reducing sugar helps you create that deficit (and/or helps reducing cravings), great. Otherwise, you may be in for a disappointment.
but my dermatologist said too much sugar cause wrinkles and make u look older ...
I found this interesting so I tried researching it. I found a few opinion blogs, but I couldn't find a peer reviewed study on it. Did your dermatologist tell you the name of the study this information was based on?0 -
So what leads to obesity then. Because we seem sure that it's not the macro nutrient dense high refined carbohydrate food we have been told is healthy for the last 30 years. The stuff I am reading is not old at all. Dr David Perlmutter, Professor Tim Noakes. Scandinavian countries have already changed their dietary guidelines to a higher fat and lower carbohydrate program because of the evidence that our dietary guidelines have caused an increase in diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's. Read some yourself because it certainly made sense to me.
I think you'll find that many folks here have read about HFLC. Some folks prefer it, some folks don't. Most folks here don't believe in "detoxing".
Figure out what makes it easiest for you to COMPLY with a weight loss regimen (AKA a diet). If that's HFLC great! Most folks still find they need to be in a calorie deficit.
That said: this is a calorie counting website (despite its name). Most people here are dieting by counting calories. Perhaps consider joining one of the low carb GROUPS on here, for like minded souls. But don't assume everyone here isn't well read. They've just chosen a different path. Worry about your path. If you believe too much sugar is bad (which it probably IS, given how little we really know), then don't eat it.
signed: Ive read. I eat Slower (and lower) carb than the S.A.D., and I'm happy.0 -
britishbroccoli wrote: »Eating too much sugar does not cause type 2 diabetes. Here are the risk factors for type 2 diabetes (notice that "sugar consumption" is not on the list): http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabetes/basics/risk-factors/con-20031902
I fully agree on this. If eating sugar caused diabetes, I would have been diagnosed a LONG time ago. Unfortunately I meet #4 for the risk factors. I just hope by maintaining a healthy weight and diet, I can avoid what my mom, grandmother and great-grandmother went through (or are going through)
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Over consumption causes weight gain. Eating/drinking lots of anything with high calories to excess will get anyone overweight.I am a little shocked that there are people still walking around saying that sugar does not cause weight gain.
From the AMERICAN DIABETIC ASSOCITATION:Have you not heard of type 2 diabetes. Refined carbohydrate and sugar are absolutely the cause of this.
Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes.
Fact: The answer is not so simple. Type 1 diabetes is caused by genetics and unknown factors that trigger the onset of the disease; type 2 diabetes is caused by genetics and lifestyle factors.
Being overweight does increase your risk for developing type 2 diabetes, and a diet high in calories from any source contributes to weight gain. Research has shown that drinking sugary drinks is linked to type 2 diabetes.
- See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/?loc=db-slabnav#sthash.na7qOSll.dpuf
Notice it says "link" not cause. Correlation doesn't equal causation.
The issue is that regardless of whatever you've been eating, you're consuming more than you need to. That's why you're overweight. Sure reducing sugar will help, but it's not the CAUSE of you being overweight nor the cause of diabetes.I am just attempting to eliminate refined sugar from my diet because I am borderline diabetic and I have massive carb cravings. I have tried every low fat high carb diet known to man without success. I am 30% overweight and lightly active. I walk a lot. I have read plenty of books and articles about how eliminating sugar and refined carbs and replacing these with fats will help with weight loss. I was just asking if anyone had done this 21 day sugar detox programme and actually not lost any weight. I intend to follow this for 21 days and see if I feel any better. Energy wise, weight loss wise and generally from a health point of view. I will let you know if eliminating sugar helps me lose weight in 19 days time. If it does, then I will certainly be continuing with this way of eating. If it doesn't then I might just stay in bed for the rest of my life.
Find out your TDEE and consume 500 calories less from it daily. That's a good starting point for weight loss. If reducing sugar for you helps, then do it.
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So what leads to obesity then. Because we seem sure that it's not the macro nutrient dense high refined carbohydrate food we have been told is healthy for the last 30 years. The stuff I am reading is not old at all. Dr David Perlmutter, Professor Tim Noakes. Scandinavian countries have already changed their dietary guidelines to a higher fat and lower carbohydrate program because of the evidence that our dietary guidelines have caused an increase in diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's. Read some yourself because it certainly made sense to me.
over consumption of all foods lead to obesity ..
You can eat 100% clean, eat over maintenance, and gain weight.
sugar is not the culprit. I consume carbs/fats/proteins at normal levels and my healthy markers come back as almost excellent every year at my yearly physical.0 -
Obesity is the result of HUGE PORTIONS and calorie dense foods regardless of make up.So what leads to obesity then. Because we seem sure that it's not the macro nutrient dense high refined carbohydrate food we have been told is healthy for the last 30 years. The stuff I am reading is not old at all. Dr David Perlmutter, Professor Tim Noakes. Scandinavian countries have already changed their dietary guidelines to a higher fat and lower carbohydrate program because of the evidence that our dietary guidelines have caused an increase in diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's. Read some yourself because it certainly made sense to me.
Trust when I tell you that people who are lean who eat low carbs can also get diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's. Why? Because it's more genetic than acquired.
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My mother always said I would end up with Type II DM because I ate so much sugar and she ate very little. Guess who ended up with it and who didn't. She had a family history of Type II DM and was obese due to a poor diet that was low carb but still high in calories plus a sedentary lifestyle. I, on the otherhand, have a pretty high carb diet but am very active and my fasted sugars are dead centre of the range they should be (4.5).
Don't give into the hype just learn what is really going on because you can "detox sugar" all you want but if you have a family history you can still end up with it.0 -
Have you not heard of type 2 diabetes. Refined carbohydrate and sugar are absolutely the cause of this.
Sugar does NOT cause diabetes. How the body handles sugar is the main symptom of it. It happens when people have two or more of the risk factors for it. Those are:- Genetics (which is why it is most common in people with African heritage)
- Obesity (eating significantly more calories than you burn, no matter where those calories come from)
- Age (the pancreas gets old, just like the rest of us
- Long term use of certain drugs (statins and antidepressants are the biggest ones for this)
- Certain types of cancer
- Certain types of treatment for cancer, especially in childhood
- If your mother had gestational diabetes when carrying you
- Other environmental things like presence of some pesticides and herbicides have some correlation but the causation is not proven yet, just being studied
- There is also some correlation to both mental and physical stress, but again, it is not proven causation but is being studied.
I have been overweight most of my life but had no other risk factors. I was diagnosed T2 last January. What changed? I got older (58 yr old now) and I have been taking antidepressants for 12 years. I have never been much of a sugar eater, I just eat too much food.
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So what leads to obesity then. Because we seem sure that it's not the macro nutrient dense high refined carbohydrate food we have been told is healthy for the last 30 years. The stuff I am reading is not old at all. Dr David Perlmutter, Professor Tim Noakes. Scandinavian countries have already changed their dietary guidelines to a higher fat and lower carbohydrate program because of the evidence that our dietary guidelines have caused an increase in diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer's. Read some yourself because it certainly made sense to me.
I became obese because I ate/drank too many calories.
I've lost 69 pounds because I ate/drank less - of the same foods and drinks I've always consumed.
I've also, in the course of my weight loss (while eating sugar, processed foods and carbs), reversed my insulin resistance. Which renders your entire argument invalid.0 -
Type 2, however is when the pancreas cannot cope. This is as a direct result of excess dietary sugar. The pancreas is pumping out insulin to deal with high sugar influx. Insulin is released as a result of a raise in blood sugar. It tells the cells to open its doors to receive glucose. Hi concentrations of glucose is the blood and cells cause the cells not to respond to the insulin ( insulin resistance) . The pancreas creates more insulin to clear the blood of glucose without success. Eventually the pancreas just can't cope anymore. To my simple mind this means sugar causes diabetes. This is not only table sugar but all the refined carbs that turn to sugar very quickly once digested.
This is wrong. The fact that the pancreas cannot cope with the sugar being ingested is the main SYMPTOM of T2D, not the cause.
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You seem to have gotten a lot of negative response from this post unfortunately. People tend to be less nice when it is digital. Anyhow I just started the 21 DSD on Jan 26th because my cravings were out of control after the holidays and I wanted to re-train my body to crave more healthy food. I have not done this particular detox but have done healthy eating and South Beach before and it works (but I slowly start eating crap again and then need to clear my system). I understand out of control cravings. I like the 21DSD since it is set up with good recipes that are easy to make. I am on day 3 now of Level 1 and so far so good. I have been tracking my food but just to understand the macros since that is where I struggle in my diet. MFP set fat way too low IMHO since I eat a lot of good fats. I weighed myself at the beginning and am continuing exercising as before I started. I am not expecting to lose a lot if I don't have a calorie deficit, but I do expect to have more energy and less cravings which will in turn help me to make smarter food choices in the long run. Friend me if you want and my diary is shared to friends. Good luck with it and try and stick with it. If you haven't already joined the facebook group, do that since they are much more helpful than MFP.
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Also as far as the person that didn't lose weight (that originally inspired you to post this), maybe they didn't have much to lose, maybe they were already eating semi-paleo, and they may not have been eating a deficit or exercising to create one. They also may have been eating too few calories (which if you follow the meal plan won't be the case) which will cause your body to hold onto weight. Also weight is not the best indicator. You should take pictures and measure BF% (which I did). If you workout and build muscle you may not lose weight but you may lose fat.0
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correcting the records = mean/non-supportive/bullying on MFP .0 -
That's wrong. You should obviously let misinformation sit out there for all to read/believe, uncorrected to avoid potentially hurting someone's feelings by pointing out that science contradicts random internet blogs.0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »
That's wrong. You should obviously let misinformation sit out there for all to read/believe, uncorrected to avoid potentially hurting someone's feelings by pointing out that science contradicts random internet blogs.
I am all for correcting, but some people can do it in a more supportive way (and some on here did) but there were others that were not as supportive. I see it through all the message boards on here.0 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »
That's wrong. You should obviously let misinformation sit out there for all to read/believe, uncorrected to avoid potentially hurting someone's feelings by pointing out that science contradicts random internet blogs.
I am all for correcting, but some people can do it in a more supportive way (and some on here did) but there were others that were not as supportive. I see it through all the message boards on here.
I really have never understood this thought pattern. A person makes a strong assertion and when someone points it out that this is incorrect they are suddenly some bad guy/girl who isn't supportive. Seems like it was just a normal factual debate to me. If someone wants compelte, unquestioning support then engaging complete strangers on an Internet forum seems an odd way to achieve that goal. That's what friends and family are for.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »TheVirgoddess wrote: »
That's wrong. You should obviously let misinformation sit out there for all to read/believe, uncorrected to avoid potentially hurting someone's feelings by pointing out that science contradicts random internet blogs.
I am all for correcting, but some people can do it in a more supportive way (and some on here did) but there were others that were not as supportive. I see it through all the message boards on here.
I really have never understood this thought pattern. A person makes a strong assertion and when someone points it out that this is incorrect they are suddenly some bad guy/girl who isn't supportive. Seems like it was just a normal factual debate to me. If someone wants compelte, unquestioning support then engaging complete strangers on an Internet forum seems an odd way to achieve that goal. That's what friends and family are for.
seriously ...it is the internet..put your big boy pants on ...0 -
if a calorie is just a calorie, then... i'm confused
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TheVirgoddess wrote: »
That's wrong. You should obviously let misinformation sit out there for all to read/believe, uncorrected to avoid potentially hurting someone's feelings by pointing out that science contradicts random internet blogs.
I am all for correcting, but some people can do it in a more supportive way (and some on here did) but there were others that were not as supportive. I see it through all the message boards on here.
I can't be supportive of someone stating terrible information as fact. And I shouldn't be required to.
Every day some of us get on these boards, and we try to help people be successful. And every day we get called mean, unsupportive and negative. Because we answer the same questions over and over, we dispute the same misinformation over and over and we correct the same false statements over and over.
Sometimes, even the best of us get snarky/grumpy or just want to cut through the usual bs and get to the point. But we can't do that, without getting our hands slapped. Which makes me really question why I keep trying to help people.0
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