So how did you all fix your cravings for fast food?
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Such a sad, sad existence.goddessofawesome wrote: »Seems to me that after awhile of eating homemade food that is lower in sodium and sugar the urge to eat any restaraunt food waned and nowadays I can hardly stand any restaurant food as it is just way to salty. I gag at the just the thought of fast food.
So you just don't go out to eat at restaurants? Like, ever? And I'm not talking fast food places. I'm talking sit-down, lingering meal, several courses restaurant.
Yeah, sharing all your meals with friends or family at your home or theirs sounds horrible. How could we possibly be happy without paying strangers to cook for and serve us?
Because sometimes it's nice to NOT cook for yourself or others and go out and have someone else serve you? I love Friday nights because that's the night where I don't even have to think about cooking. I also love my Friday nights because we go out to the same restaurant and meet up with friends and have made several new friends in the process. The whole point of eating out isn't just the food but the experience of getting dressed up, meeting new people, making friends and having a good time.
I find it very hard to believe that someone can 100% avoid going out to a restaurant. That would mean that they never go on vacation, or attend family functions that happen to be at a restaurant type establishment. Wedding receptions are usually done at a venue that serves food. If it's a reception that happens to be at someones house then it's typically catered. I'd personally get tired of always going over to someone's house and having them cook dinner for me because they refuse to go out to a restaurant and would stop inviting them out if their response was "Oh, why don't you just come here and have dinner?" (and I actually have done that with a friend who later I found out they prefer to hang out at home and have dinner and drink instead of going out. I prefer to go out so I stopped inviting them). And what about those times you just don't feel like cooking, where picking up the phone and ordering a pizza or going out somewhere is a desirable option? Again, I find it hard that someone can 100% avoid restaurants.
Frankly I'd get pretty bored of home cooked meals after a while.
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goldthistime wrote: »
Yup, I agree.candacefausset wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Fast food IS unhealthy. But folks can get away with eating some unhealthy foods. I find it easier to do with out (easier to stay at my maintenance level, and easier in terms of how I feel). But some folks prefer adding it in to their diets.
? I'm confused. Fast food is universally acknowledged as not being healthy, despite some efforts made to adjust that image. The OP herself is asking for adviceon how to avoid or reduce consumption. I think you just enjoy arguing. I have done nothing but agree that it should be avoided and offer my way of doing it (for me and my kids). OP, again I apologize for this distraction. I will stop my part in hijacking your request for ideas. I hope you get some great ideas here!
really, how so?
I find your campaign to stop people from name calling of certain foods fascinating. Reminds me a bit of efforts to stop people from using pejorative terms for sexual orientation, race, disabilities etc. Amusing to think of "junk food" as the maligned underdog. I DO agree that it is not always unhealthy. Context matters. Maybe I have been sweating a bunch and need that extra salt. And there have definitely been times where I needed something sugary (like during a tennis match that has gone on too long and it's now lunchtime). But I also agree that in most situations, you can make a much healthier choice than "junk food".
I think a lot of people want all foods to be seen as "available" during a diet because studies and experience prove that allowing yourself an indulgence or a treat is 10 times more likely to result in successful, safe and maintainable weight loss. To me, it isn't so much about defending fast food as it is helping people succeed. If they know that nothing is off limits, they are less likely to binge after a long stint of depriving themselves. In the process of indulging occasionally and in moderation, they are further learning to think about food differently. They are learning about what their food is made of (as far as calories and macros) and how to meet those goals via portion control so that they can make a lifestyle change instead of just dieting to meet a goal and then going back to the old way and gaining everything back.
But we also need to recognize that it's easy for people to over eat food that is formulated to make us want more. I never did answer the OP's question. I agree with the "cook more" comments. I'm having to learn to do that myself. I was eating too many protein bars for a while. And don't be be overly stingy with those bad guys, fat salt and sugar in your own cooking. If what you are cooking isn't tantalizing, you're still going to prefer fast food. Lastly, I get cravings when I haven't had enough protein. Have a look at your macros (use the weekly feature).
I don't believe it is formulated to make you want more. Here's the thing- foods in general have different effects on your body. For instance sugar causes a spike in your blood sugar, then your body increases its insulin production in order to tell cells to absorb the sugar. Then when your blood sugar drops, you can have a sugar crash, and your body tells you you want more sugar. Fat, salt and sugar taste cravings are learned habits and can easily be unlearned. Fat, salt and sugar are also the things that makes foods taste good. And by coincidence, many fats, salts and sugars help to stabilize and lengthen the shelf life of commercially produced foods. That doesn't mean the food companies are putting crack in their burgers to make you want more. It just means they are doing what is best for their products to maintain integrity in the long haul. When you are a super giant corporation like McDonalds, you have to find some shortcuts to help when it comes to production and shelf life because they store in massive quantities. In most cases that means an increase in fats, sugars and sodium and a decrease in over all nutrition. It does not mean that they are out to get you or get you addicted. They know their appeal is convenience and taste. Those are going to win repeated customers without putting in addictive substances. It's just as easy to overeat the exact same "homemade" alternatives because they contain fats, sugars and salt- not because they contain evil ingredients that are made to get us addicted.
Besides I just ate a couple of Wendys burgers on Tuesday and I am not wanting nor craving more. The idea that you want more is in your head. There is no secret addictive substance making me crave it horribly. And that is coming from someone who used to drink 40-60 ounces of soda a day and used to eat out 4-8 times a week.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Such a sad, sad existence.goddessofawesome wrote: »Seems to me that after awhile of eating homemade food that is lower in sodium and sugar the urge to eat any restaraunt food waned and nowadays I can hardly stand any restaurant food as it is just way to salty. I gag at the just the thought of fast food.
So you just don't go out to eat at restaurants? Like, ever? And I'm not talking fast food places. I'm talking sit-down, lingering meal, several courses restaurant.
Yeah, sharing all your meals with friends or family at your home or theirs sounds horrible. How could we possibly be happy without paying strangers to cook for and serve us?
Seriously? You don't enjoy getting OUT of the house with friends and enjoy having someone wait on you? After taking care of (what feels like) EVERYONE in the freaking world at work coming home to cook for a group is not always on the top of my yippygoodtimes list. Now dressing up like a sexy *kitten* and going OUT with friends/family on occasion is wonderful. I'm sorry if you've never experienced that...
I *LOVE* cooking and experimenting with food. It's a hobby of mine and I love sharing my creations with my friends, but what a limiting thing for that to be my ONLY experience in life. Why NOT let someone else do the work and enjoy really good food that someone else worked hard to prepare.
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Cooking at home is not sad, folks. Some of us are very skilled.0
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that's to little food to eat for the caloric sacrifice. for 500 calories I can eat 4 1/2 cups of cottage cheese and be stuffed (example)
Would I rather eat the fries and burger YES. But when do you practice enough is enough.
ok - my point was there meals come in well under your assumed 1000 cals...
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but way to move the goal posts..
They do but always embelish to make your comment look stronger.
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Cooking at home is not sad, folks. Some of us are very skilled.
No one said it was. The debate that is going on is over the fact that someone stated that they never, ever, EVER go out to restaurants any longer.
I cook dinner 5-6 days out of the week but I also enjoy not having to think of what to make and having someone else wait on me.
As I stated a few posts up going out to a restaurant isn't just about the food but the experience of getting dressed up, meeting people, making new friends, relaxing and having a good time. It is for me any way.
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I have tried the quality chocolate, and my pedestrian tastes still prefer Dove dark chocolate caramel Promises with sea salt.
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OMG, yum. Not that I was still following what was happening on this thread anyway, that Dove chocolate reference totally distracted me. (Did you hear Cadbury is banned in U.S. now? Ugh!!! A terrible thing. Hershey can't compete with Cadbury.) I think we ought to all take a chocolate break and try again.
I think most (not all) of us are closer than we think to agreeing with one another. I think the insistence to define and argue the shades of gray in every single word is drowning us in minutia, personally.0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Such a sad, sad existence.goddessofawesome wrote: »Seems to me that after awhile of eating homemade food that is lower in sodium and sugar the urge to eat any restaraunt food waned and nowadays I can hardly stand any restaurant food as it is just way to salty. I gag at the just the thought of fast food.
So you just don't go out to eat at restaurants? Like, ever? And I'm not talking fast food places. I'm talking sit-down, lingering meal, several courses restaurant.
Yeah, sharing all your meals with friends or family at your home or theirs sounds horrible. How could we possibly be happy without paying strangers to cook for and serve us?
Because sometimes it's nice to NOT cook for yourself or others and go out and have someone else serve you? I love Friday nights because that's the night where I don't even have to think about cooking. I also love my Friday nights because we go out to the same restaurant and meet up with friends and have made several new friends in the process. The whole point of eating out isn't just the food but the experience of meeting new people, making friends and having a good time.
I find it very hard to believe that someone can 100% avoid going out to a restaurant. That would mean that they never go on vacation, or attend family functions that happen to be at a restaurant type establishment. Wedding receptions are usually done at a venue that serves food. If it's a reception that happens to be at someones house then it's typically catered. I'd personally get tired of always going over to someone's house and having them cook dinner for me because they refuse to go out to a restaurant and would stop inviting them out if their response was "Oh, why don't you just come here and have dinner?" (and I actually have done that with a friend who later I found out they prefer to hang out at home and have dinner and drink instead of going out. I prefer to go out so I stopped inviting them). And what about those times you just don't feel like cooking, where picking up the phone and ordering a pizza or going out somewhere is a desirable option? Again, I find it hard that someone can 100% avoid restaurants.
Frankly I'd get pretty bored of home cooked meals after a while.
You are talking about your personal preferences. The post to which I replied deemed someone's very existence sad because of their personal preferences. See the difference?
But, under my example, there could be times when you weren't cooking or serving.0 -
the nurse dietician at the hospital where I was last week told me that if I eat a slice of pizza, make it a thin slice with cheese only and have it once every two weeks at most. what do you all think of that?0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Such a sad, sad existence.goddessofawesome wrote: »Seems to me that after awhile of eating homemade food that is lower in sodium and sugar the urge to eat any restaraunt food waned and nowadays I can hardly stand any restaurant food as it is just way to salty. I gag at the just the thought of fast food.
So you just don't go out to eat at restaurants? Like, ever? And I'm not talking fast food places. I'm talking sit-down, lingering meal, several courses restaurant.
Yeah, sharing all your meals with friends or family at your home or theirs sounds horrible. How could we possibly be happy without paying strangers to cook for and serve us?
Seriously? You don't enjoy getting OUT of the house with friends and enjoy having someone wait on you? After taking care of (what feels like) EVERYONE in the freaking world at work coming home to cook for a group is not always on the top of my yippygoodtimes list. Now dressing up like a sexy *kitten* and going OUT with friends/family on occasion is wonderful. I'm sorry if you've never experienced that...
I *LOVE* cooking and experimenting with food. It's a hobby of mine and I love sharing my creations with my friends, but what a limiting thing for that to be my ONLY experience in life. Why NOT let someone else do the work and enjoy really good food that someone else worked hard to prepare.
If I'm not like you = I'm sad. Is that the gist?0 -
the nurse dietician at the hospital where I was last week told me that if I eat a slice of pizza, make it a thin slice with cheese only and have it once every two weeks at most. what do you all think of that?
I think I absolutely adore thin crust pizza with cheese, roasted peppers, garlic, pepperoni and mushrooms. I would eat it every day if I could, although I can't just stop at one piece so that's a problem.
I'd like to know the reasoning behind her stating this. I also think you need to ditch your dietician if this is the advice she gives you.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
If I'm not like you = I'm sad? Is that the gist.
Don't act as if you're obtuse, it's beneath you.
I meant that dressing up and going OUT to be seen is a wonderful thing. I feel sad if you're saying you feel you can't do that.
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It sux about Cadbury. Hershey's is to blame for that. However, I recommend Lindt. One square of the 90% cacao stuff is just 60 cal. Even with my restrictions that's doable and it's SO good.0
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fast food is fast food. Im guessing places with drive thrus, 99 menus, walk up to the counter and order. everyt meal is 1000 calories (small)
A restaurant could be a alot different. every restaurant has broiled meat and vegetables.(the safe way out)
Just about every fast food place has options you can get for < 1000 cals. Even Carl's Jr, that prides itself on big, satisfying meals.0 -
http://www.canyoustayfordinner.com/2013/02/20/cheeseburger-salad-with-big-mac-dressing/
I made this the other day...Big Mac Salad. I really liked it. I find fast food bums me out now...if I give in to a craving to eat it, I feel like crap, it doesn't taste as good as I think it will and I don't feel full. But I still want it some times. This salad was the best of all worlds for me. I made it a little heathier using 0 fat greek yogurt, reduced fat mayo and lean beef. I also skipped cooking the onions in oil and just had raw. It did taste just like a big mac.0 -
It sux about Cadbury. Hershey's is to blame for that. However, I recommend Lindt. One square of the 90% cacao stuff is just 60 cal. Even with my restrictions that's doable and it's SO good.
I did not know this about Cadbury. The only thing I ate of theirs though was the cream eggs and I haven't had one of those in years. Too sweet for me now! I do adore Hershey's. I have to keep away from the kisses though. I could demolish a bag.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
If I'm not like you = I'm sad? Is that the gist.
Don't act as if you're obtuse, it's beneath you.
I meant that dressing up and going OUT to be seen is a wonderful thing. I feel sad if you're saying you feel you can't do that.
Why would you feel sad if I said that? Again, wouldn't it just be you projecting your preferences onto me? Though, honestly I can't see why I couldn't dress up and go out to somewhere other than a restaurant.0 -
I limit myself to going once a week. Unless I want Panera or Chipotle. Those are my exceptions.0
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funny, how I learned how much salt im eating in foods? when I was at the hospital and they gave me a sodium free meal, wow, it tasted so different than what I would have made. now I wish I knew how to make Popeye's Chicken taste good, but at home without all the salt.!0
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I love Jimmy johns and Taco Bell, I used to to eat them all the time. I go grocery shopping every pay day, which for me is semi monthly, I just don't include it in my budget. I spend my money budgeted on food on groceries and then when I'm craving it, I don't have the extra money. Every other weekend I set aside a little something for a treat.0
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I meant that dressing up and going OUT to be seen is a wonderful thing. I feel sad if you're saying you feel you can't do that.
That is one of the reasons why I like going out. I love getting dressed up, doing up my make-up, picking out the outfit I want to wear. Sometimes I'll start getting ready hours in advance so I can take my time, drink some wine, and just relax while I get dressed.
I will say though that I am amazed at how many people don't bother getting dressed up to go out. We see it all the time when we go to shows in the City or when we bring my husbands mom to the casino people are dressed like slugs.
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OK so we go out to eat about once every 3 or 4 months. It's not only the calories, it's also that we have very little money for luxuries. The real splurges like the awesome Italian place and the fondue place are for things like Valentine's and birthdays. We dress very nicely on these rare occasions. I have seen people in SWEATS at the fondue place where dinner for 2 is easily $100!!! I just... OK it's not illegal or indecent, but I just don't understand. I would feel very self conscious and... (not a real word I know) slobular.0
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goddessofawesome wrote: »I meant that dressing up and going OUT to be seen is a wonderful thing. I feel sad if you're saying you feel you can't do that.
That is one of the reasons why I like going out. I love getting dressed up, doing up my make-up, picking out the outfit I want to wear. Sometimes I'll start getting ready hours in advance so I can take my time, drink some wine, and just relax while I get dressed.
I will say though that I am amazed at how many people don't bother getting dressed up to go out. We see it all the time when we go to shows in the City or when we bring my husbands mom to the casino people are dressed like slugs.
Some people dress up to entertain at home, or go to the home of friends or family, or go to a concert or play or event.0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »I meant that dressing up and going OUT to be seen is a wonderful thing. I feel sad if you're saying you feel you can't do that.
That is one of the reasons why I like going out. I love getting dressed up, doing up my make-up, picking out the outfit I want to wear. Sometimes I'll start getting ready hours in advance so I can take my time, drink some wine, and just relax while I get dressed.
I will say though that I am amazed at how many people don't bother getting dressed up to go out. We see it all the time when we go to shows in the City or when we bring my husbands mom to the casino people are dressed like slugs.
Also the fun of someone waiting on you. I love to cook and I love tidying and cleaning my home but shouldn't every woman go out and be treated like the queen she should believe she is? Seriously. No dishes, no tidying the kitchen, no thinking about dinner, no waiting on the husband and kids, no cleaning up kiddy (or husband) spills. Just a night out to enjoy good wine someone else poured and good food someone else cooked and dressing the part. Adult conversation in a neutral place where NO ones kids interrupt for nose wipes or diaper changes or demanding attention. YOU get to be the center of attention (and hopefully make the SO the center of your attention) for a change.
If you don't want that then frankly yes, I do wonder why all woman wouldn't want that. It makes me wonder if they have some freakish Cinderella complex. If you're happy being cinder-ella and always doing the work, god bless the hausfraus. I don't expect to be treated like a queen every day, but it's got to happen on occasion.0 -
to answer the original question. Watch" Super Size Me" and watch the "baby chicken grinding" on you tube . Thats what they use as "Fillers" in processed chicken.0
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goddessofawesome wrote: »I meant that dressing up and going OUT to be seen is a wonderful thing. I feel sad if you're saying you feel you can't do that.
That is one of the reasons why I like going out. I love getting dressed up, doing up my make-up, picking out the outfit I want to wear. Sometimes I'll start getting ready hours in advance so I can take my time, drink some wine, and just relax while I get dressed.
I will say though that I am amazed at how many people don't bother getting dressed up to go out. We see it all the time when we go to shows in the City or when we bring my husbands mom to the casino people are dressed like slugs.
Also the fun of someone waiting on you. I love to cook and I love tidying and cleaning my home but shouldn't every woman go out and be treated like the queen she should believe she is? Seriously. No dishes, no tidying the kitchen, no thinking about dinner, no waiting on the husband and kids, no cleaning up kiddy (or husband) spills. Just a night out to enjoy good wine someone else poured and good food someone else cooked and dressing the part. Adult conversation in a neutral place where NO ones kids interrupt for nose wipes or diaper changes or demanding attention. YOU get to be the center of attention (and hopefully make the SO the center of your attention) for a change.
If you don't want that then frankly yes, I do wonder why all woman wouldn't want that. It makes me wonder if they have some freakish Cinderella complex. If you're happy being cinder-ella and always doing the work, god bless the hausfraus. I don't expect to be treated like a queen every day, but it's got to happen on occasion.
If I was going to deem someone's existence sad, it would be someone that felt they had to clean up their husband's spills. But I would never do that. To each his/her own.0 -
Lordy. No, I don't have kids. I do like going out but it's usually that we go to bars. Goth nights are dress-up-o-rama. we take like 2 hours doing our makeup lol. See and then you dance all night and burn many calories!0
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the nurse dietician at the hospital where I was last week told me that if I eat a slice of pizza, make it a thin slice with cheese only and have it once every two weeks at most. what do you all think of that?
one slice of thin crust every two weeks ...that is all???
why not just get a small thin crust once a month and eat as much as you can and enjoy it..?????????0 -
Alright then. Tomorrow is Friday. While you're cooking dinner, doing dishes, and tidying the house I'll be out with a great group of friends enjoying a fantastic meal (that fits into my macros) dressed to be admired. It will be served by a person wearing dressy clothes and those pesky dirty plates will be whisked magically away by the aforementioned server. Once completed I won't be expected to wash scrub or clean anything. I'll just have to teeter my way out to the car on my very sexy stilettos and listen to the music while I"m driven either home or to a bar where more adult conversation can happen.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »If I was going to deem someone's existence said, it would be someone that felt they had to clean up their husband's spills. But I would never do that. To each his/her own.
You're right to each his own, enjoy your Friday night.
ETA the best parts of being served.0
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