Strength and Weights
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I'm currently reading this. I'll respond once I get through it all but I will gladly throw my hat in the ring to anyone who is up for some friendly competition to those willing to compare results based on body weight max reps for numerous exercises. I'll give a 3 month window.
I've got a friendly competition for you. What's your Wilks in the big 3? Wait...have you ever competed? DYEL?
Hey sorry guys, I was busy. Yeah, I'm down. Bring it on. There is nothing to lose here, only to gain with any who participates. Do know the beginning argument was people how suggest doing SQUATS EVERYDAY (HAHAHA) to those doing the lift less frequently but more intense for STRENGTH gains.
ALSO REMEMBER THIS IS ADVICE TO A BEGINNER AT WEIGHT LIFTING.
The other argument was people injuring themselves more frequently through free weight than machines, which I think is undeniable LOL. Weight is seriously a factor, also another person was trying to hate on the amount of smith machines. How many free weight squat stations do you have at your gym? Look at one half, look at the other, what is the machine/free weight ratio. If you see my responses you see I am clearly PRO FREE WEIGHT.
I've debunked the links of Sara or whoever that is, I don't care. Get me 1 on 1 with the guy who wrote the article and you'll find the truth; we would agree on most things! I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
You did nothing of the sort.
Get you 1 on 1 with the guy that wrote the one article you actually addressed? And badly at that? You mean the Poliquin 'guy'?
That comment there makes me laugh.
Oh, and who suggested squatting every day?0 -
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He seems to have disappeared after being called out on his lifts.I am not sure if MattDemon is still posting on this thread, but....
Still here. Who would like to challenge me. Get the most fit/athletic guy you know. I have nothing to lose. Bodyweight per major exercise/verticle jump whatever.
The problem is you don't know who I am but think you know people but aren't willing to step forward. It doesn't matter. People talk, I'm waiting...
Wilks score is very, very relevant to this discussion. It's essentially a method of comparing strength across several variables including gender.
You should go here and calculate yours and compare it to Sara's since you called her out on her lifts.
http://wilkscalculator.com/
EDIT: You would plug in your bench, squat, and deadlift 1RMs along with your bodyweight. (Sum of those lifts).
If it's a smith-squat I'd disregard though, just sayin.
With videos of the lifts so we can ensure they are done to depth.0 -
My case and point right there. And I'm living proof, though obviously not a quadriplegic.0 -
I'm currently reading this. I'll respond once I get through it all but I will gladly throw my hat in the ring to anyone who is up for some friendly competition to those willing to compare results based on body weight max reps for numerous exercises. I'll give a 3 month window.
I've got a friendly competition for you. What's your Wilks in the big 3? Wait...have you ever competed? DYEL?
Hey sorry guys, I was busy. Yeah, I'm down. Bring it on. There is nothing to lose here, only to gain with any who participates. Do know the beginning argument was people how suggest doing SQUATS EVERYDAY (HAHAHA) to those doing the lift less frequently but more intense for STRENGTH gains.
ALSO REMEMBER THIS IS ADVICE TO A BEGINNER AT WEIGHT LIFTING.
The other argument was people injuring themselves more frequently through free weight than machines, which I think is undeniable LOL. Weight is seriously a factor, also another person was trying to hate on the amount of smith machines. How many free weight squat stations do you have at your gym? Look at one half, look at the other, what is the machine/free weight ratio. If you see my responses you see I am clearly PRO FREE WEIGHT.
I've debunked the links of Sara or whoever that is, I don't care. Get me 1 on 1 with the guy who wrote the article and you'll find the truth; we would agree on most things! I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
Dude, I actually feel a bit embarrassed for you. It's like, rather than admit you were wrong, you just tried to plough on. One more cringeworthy post on top of cringeworthy post.
You asked a bunch of bro's what they thought of full-body routines and they laughed at you? Not a single one of them had heard of a 5x5 routine? I'm not sure what to tell you here.....
you also seem to have confused low bf %, muscle mass and strength into a single melange when selecting your target audience for your survey.
You don't seem to know that the big 3 is a reference to powerlifting, not olympic lifting.....
I could go on: you clearly have too long..... it's time to give it up.0 -
i cant believe this is still going *facepalm*0
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Wow what a thread!!!!!
i know right... the majority of what is being said doesn't even remotely relate to what my original post was about lol0 -
Wow what a thread!!!!!
i know right... the majority of what is being said doesn't even remotely relate to what my original post was about lol
Lol - welcome to MFP
In answer to your question this a decent beginner workout if you are working for strength:
http://www.niashanks.com/2012/09/womens-beginner-strength-training-guide-lift-like-a-girl/0 -
Wow what a thread!!!!!
i know right... the majority of what is being said doesn't even remotely relate to what my original post was about lol
You're right. Realistically any program you pick should net you results as long as you stick with it and it's halfway decent. Find something you like doing that progressively increases in intensity.
Starting Strength, StrongLifts, and NROLFW are good options.0 -
Starting Strength, StrongLifts, and NROLFW are good options.
I agree, I have done both SS and SL and like both programs. I have not read NROLFW but I hear nothing but good from the ladies here on MFP. All these 3 sounds like excellent starting points.0 -
I had a very very hard time transitioning to Starting Strength because I started doing squats on a smith machine. I had a "bro" in the gym start me on the smith machine for squats (and bench).
It has taken reading Starting Strength squat section a million times (a lot of the terminology was over my head), watching the Dan Johns 50 minute how to squat video, watching Rippetoes how to squat video (repeated times for both) and finally a class with a legit trainer to help me get my squat to the point where I can progress in Starting Strength.
This isn't going to be the case for everyone and is purely my own anecdotal story - but I reallllly wish I had just learned to do things the right way to start instead of wasting weeks retraining myself. If injury is a concern start with bodyweight to perfect your stance. I moved from body weight, to goblets and then to an unloaded bar...then real squats. I took my time because I am an extra big dude and wanted to ensure form is good.0 -
So much fail and win all in one thread!
...Anyway, moving on...
I myself am doing New Rules of Lifting for Women! I have NEVER lifted before in my life prior to this. Free weights are the way to go; they engage stabilizing muscles that machines do not. I highly recommend a trainer if you are concerned about form (I was). I only see my trainer at the start of each new Stage for the new exercises it brings. I meet with her until she gives me the okay on my form to work by myself. I love it
There is a group here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/forums/show/119-new-rules-of-lifting-for-women-nrol4w-
As for other possible programs that are popular, Starting Strength and StrongLifts 5x5 are great too! I really recommend New Rules just for the reading portion even if you decide to go with another program for the actual lifts. It has a lot of good information. Same thing with Starting Strength, it is a good read.
Also, if you aren't currently doing the TDEE method, I highly recommend reading up on it here:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/974888-in-place-of-a-road-map-2k13
It is very beneficial for weight lifting because it is very difficult to estimate lifting burns (HRMs are NOT accurate for lifting. They are meant for tracking steady state cardio. They aren't even meant for HIIT).
I, personally, follow the calorie recommendations in NROL4W. However, I did calc my numbers per the IPOARM thread and they are pretty much the same (NROL4W just has me spread the total out differently).0 -
I'm currently reading this. I'll respond once I get through it all but I will gladly throw my hat in the ring to anyone who is up for some friendly competition to those willing to compare results based on body weight max reps for numerous exercises. I'll give a 3 month window.
I've got a friendly competition for you. What's your Wilks in the big 3? Wait...have you ever competed? DYEL?
Hey sorry guys, I was busy. Yeah, I'm down. Bring it on. There is nothing to lose here, only to gain with any who participates. Do know the beginning argument was people how suggest doing SQUATS EVERYDAY (HAHAHA) to those doing the lift less frequently but more intense for STRENGTH gains.
ALSO REMEMBER THIS IS ADVICE TO A BEGINNER AT WEIGHT LIFTING.
The other argument was people injuring themselves more frequently through free weight than machines, which I think is undeniable LOL. Weight is seriously a factor, also another person was trying to hate on the amount of smith machines. How many free weight squat stations do you have at your gym? Look at one half, look at the other, what is the machine/free weight ratio. If you see my responses you see I am clearly PRO FREE WEIGHT.
I've debunked the links of Sara or whoever that is, I don't care. Get me 1 on 1 with the guy who wrote the article and you'll find the truth; we would agree on most things! I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
that says more about the ripped guys at your gym than it does about 5x5 programs.
Also, no-one said beginners should do free weight squats *every day*... the programs being referred to tell beginners to do free weight squats 3x a week, not on consecutive days.
The smith machine stabilises the barbell for you, thus failing to engage the muscles needed to stabilise the barbell. Starting from scratch with free weights not only is possible, it's preferable as your stabilising muscles get strong along with the rest of you. I did that, i.e. bodyweight squats, then squats with dumbbells on my shoulders, then squats with a barbell on my shoulders, then progressively building up the weight on the barbell. That's how beginner programmes like 5x5 work. At no point do you need a smith machine, but you are still starting with manageable weights, learning correct form, the building up the weights as your strength increases. It is all done with free weights though, so the stabilising muscles are strengthened right from the start.
Good info, thanks. I agree with the bodyweight squats and kettlebell but I suppose the equation is different for other people. The FORM is crucial. That program actually sounds interesting with some explanation, thank you. The difference is whether body weight exercises work in all cases. A free weight squat is a lot easier than lets say, a pull-up, or even a push-up.
The reason machines even exist is to "force" form, I'll let you dissect that and make it a negative but it is for people starting out or working on isolating a muscle. It still requires form but it is a training wheel to form. I wish more people would work out with a partner or make a friend that could train them hopefully for free. I've never been shut down by a person who looks like he knows what he is doing and willing to show you proper form. I advice any and everyone to reach out, generally people are exciting to share information - Especially if they are passionate about it.
If your "movement" is to get people into free weight exercises at the get-go then please emphasis on proper technique and outside help. I honestly can't argue with it not being a good thing only that typically it is not the route most beginners take. The topic has shifted to safety.0 -
Starting Strength or Strong Lifts - 3/week full body workouts centering on 5 main lifts. (Squats each workout, then overhead press + deadlift one session and bench press + Pendlay row the next.)
^^^ this
Do I have to say more? What is wrong with you haters lol! It says Squats each workout. I also didn't know if you guys know this, but you don't HAVE to do squats to work different muscles on your body.
I haven't said anything wrong and I've agreed on a lot of things and all that is shown is the tight-knit lifers on here come and hate on a "newcomer" (ME) and think I have no knowledge here. I've yet to see anyone take my friendly challenge than a dude that is 275lbs? (Not sure). Not that it would make much sense now that nobody is arguing against everyday squats versus I guess what you guys are calling just "leg day".
Like what would it take for you to listen to someone else. That's all I'm saying. 6 week transformation, if you think you can have a better transformation than me in your current lift program let's see.
That's what I thought.0 -
Most gyms have personal trainers its worth the money if your just starting out. As far as not doing squats or deadlifts I disagree with that. You should do them just start off with light weight and work on correct form. As far as doing squats everyday DON'T your over training. If they don't have any personal trainers then let me know and I can design a program for you. You can also go on to bodybuilding.com they have many programs for beginers and have the video's to show you how to do it the correct way.
Matt I have been doing the 5x5 program for many years if you trying to find out about it look up Reg Parker. It is the old school 5x5 program You can also find it on T-Nation.com.0 -
Most gyms have personal trainers its worth the money if your just starting out. As far as not doing squats or deadlifts I disagree with that. You should do them just start off with light weight and work on correct form. As far as doing squats everyday DON'T your over training. If they don't have any personal trainers then let me know and I can design a program for you. You can also go on to bodybuilding.com they have many programs for beginers and have the video's to show you how to do it the correct way.
Matt I have been doing the 5x5 program for many years if you trying to find out about it look up Reg Parker. It is the old school 5x5 program You can also find it on T-Nation.com.
Thanks man! I'll check it out right now. I'm here to seek knowledge. The only problem is when I see something that doesn't look right and others say something else how can I prove my point if nobody is willing to listen or put it to the test. The competition would only be against yourself. I'm willing to do it together and see what I can learn from it.
Though it looks like it's clear, I've stayed true what I've said and what I agree on with others. I suppose the approach is different here or could possibly be a gender issue. You've had great progress, I'll check it out. Thanks again.0 -
I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
1. Being 'cut' has nothing to do with lifting.
2. Being 'big' doesn't mean you are strong OR fit.
3. Training for body building is NOT training for strength. If everyone you asked has never heard of a 5x5 program then you are asking the wrong people for opinions. The 1970's 'Arnold Rules' are archaic for overall fitness in the 21st century unless you are specifically a body builder.
4. If you are squatting every day, you are doing it wrong. You are also misrepresenting a 5x5 program to a bunch of split lifters. Of course they are going to laugh because they only have 'leg day' once a week, maybe twice.
OP: it's all about YOUR goals. Google around for something that will meet your goals and keep you engaged. Working out should be fun, but still kick your a**. Your goals will determine what program/routine/style you should be doing.
If you haven't looked into CrossFit, you may want to.
Ok, I'll play this game.
1. Cut has to do with training regimen and dieting. Builds are different, I agree but someone starting out and acknowledging they have their cardio program locked down and wanted to "begin" lifting weights on a site directed more towards losing body fat is definitely favoring a "cut" like program. :eyes roll:
2. "Big" actually does have a strong correlation with strength, even if you are trying to rip it out of context the terminology in weight LIFTING means the person can lift heavy weights and sorry I forgot to leave out "is also fit". Even if not, take a look at the topic
3. "Bodybuilding" has been ripped to shreds (pardon the pun) and is immediately turned off by anyone who thinks of it without knowing about it. You can reference Arnold there too if you like. I suppose we disagree on the definition of words if you haven't seen the pattern. Or maybe you are twisting them to favor you but if you would like to break them down as I am now please go into more detail. Has any part of "bodybuilding" not favored STRENGTH? I mean even in the general sense, do they lift weights to lose weight and muscle?
4. Never disagreed. Only a couple others did and that's when I stepped in. You're agreeing with me here as I'm agreeing with you. We are getting somewhere.
OP not a concern for me now.0 -
I wish someone had told me about this smith machine device, I think it would have helped when my avi photo was taken!
On the topic of size and strength correlation, someone forgot to tell Naim Süleymanoğlu about this! More seriously, they CAN be correlated, but it's not necessarily a strong correlation, and not essential.
Also, I think, the reference to bodybuilding isn't very useful here, I'm guessing the OP, and most people here don't want to be bodybuilders.
Ignoring that, the sport of bodybuilding is about mass, proportions and symmetry, strength is just a by-product, and whilst most bodybuilders will be stronger than average, they are not strong if you compare them against people with equal training experience in weightlifting, strongman or powerlifting. Just in the same way that weightlifters and powerlifters just happen to get a bit big through their training, but the goal for them is not getting big, and they would not stand a chance against a proper bodybuilder in a competition.0 -
I wish someone had told me about this smith machine device, I think it would have helped when my avi photo was taken!
On the topic of size and strength correlation, someone forgot to tell Naim Süleymanoğlu about this! More seriously, they CAN be correlated, but it's not necessarily a strong correlation, and not essential.
Also, I think, the reference to bodybuilding isn't very useful here, I'm guessing the OP, and most people here don't want to be bodybuilders.
Ignoring that, the sport of bodybuilding is about mass, proportions and symmetry, strength is just a by-product, and whilst most bodybuilders will be stronger than average, they are not strong if you compare them against people with equal training experience in weightlifting, strongman or powerlifting. Just in the same way that weightlifters and powerlifters just happen to get a bit big through their training, but the goal for them is not getting big, and they would not stand a chance against a proper bodybuilder in a competition.
Efferding says what's up =P0 -
Starting Strength or Strong Lifts - 3/week full body workouts centering on 5 main lifts. (Squats each workout, then overhead press + deadlift one session and bench press + Pendlay row the next.)
^^^ this
Do I have to say more? What is wrong with you haters lol! It says Squats each workout. I also didn't know if you guys know this, but you don't HAVE to do squats to work different muscles on your body.
I haven't said anything wrong and I've agreed on a lot of things and all that is shown is the tight-knit lifers on here come and hate on a "newcomer" (ME) and think I have no knowledge here. I've yet to see anyone take my friendly challenge than a dude that is 275lbs? (Not sure). Not that it would make much sense now that nobody is arguing against everyday squats versus I guess what you guys are calling just "leg day".
Like what would it take for you to listen to someone else. That's all I'm saying. 6 week transformation, if you think you can have a better transformation than me in your current lift program let's see.
That's what I thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilks_CoefficientThis creates an even playing field between light and heavyweight lifters—the lighter lifters tend to have a higher relative strength level in comparison to the heavyweight lifters, who tend to have a greater amount of absolute strength.
I'm still waiting. Honestly if you could even put up a decent total at a real competition you'd have my respect.
Actually scratch that, if you had the courage to actually go to a meet and do your best, regardless of numbers, you'd have my respect.
All you're doing is 'taking all comers' on the internet and when someone actually calls you on it you back down.
You have said plenty that's wrong.0 -
I'm currently reading this. I'll respond once I get through it all but I will gladly throw my hat in the ring to anyone who is up for some friendly competition to those willing to compare results based on body weight max reps for numerous exercises. I'll give a 3 month window.
I've got a friendly competition for you. What's your Wilks in the big 3? Wait...have you ever competed? DYEL?
Hey sorry guys, I was busy. Yeah, I'm down. Bring it on. There is nothing to lose here, only to gain with any who participates. Do know the beginning argument was people how suggest doing SQUATS EVERYDAY (HAHAHA) to those doing the lift less frequently but more intense for STRENGTH gains.
ALSO REMEMBER THIS IS ADVICE TO A BEGINNER AT WEIGHT LIFTING.
The other argument was people injuring themselves more frequently through free weight than machines, which I think is undeniable LOL. Weight is seriously a factor, also another person was trying to hate on the amount of smith machines. How many free weight squat stations do you have at your gym? Look at one half, look at the other, what is the machine/free weight ratio. If you see my responses you see I am clearly PRO FREE WEIGHT.
I've debunked the links of Sara or whoever that is, I don't care. Get me 1 on 1 with the guy who wrote the article and you'll find the truth; we would agree on most things! I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
No one suggested doing weighted squats everyday on this post. I really don't give a **** if the guys at your gym know about Stronglifts. It is a good program for beginners if followed properly. Many women on here are looking to preserve their muscle mass while trying to lose body fat and this type of free weight program is effective for that purpose. The reason it is good for beginners is because it allows you to do 6 compound movements (3 each session). It is easy to understand, easy to follow and time efficient. It strengthens core muscles and allows you to work the large muscle groups.
Why do you keep arguing?0 -
I'm currently reading this. I'll respond once I get through it all but I will gladly throw my hat in the ring to anyone who is up for some friendly competition to those willing to compare results based on body weight max reps for numerous exercises. I'll give a 3 month window.
I've got a friendly competition for you. What's your Wilks in the big 3? Wait...have you ever competed? DYEL?
Hey sorry guys, I was busy. Yeah, I'm down. Bring it on. There is nothing to lose here, only to gain with any who participates. Do know the beginning argument was people how suggest doing SQUATS EVERYDAY (HAHAHA) to those doing the lift less frequently but more intense for STRENGTH gains.
ALSO REMEMBER THIS IS ADVICE TO A BEGINNER AT WEIGHT LIFTING.
The other argument was people injuring themselves more frequently through free weight than machines, which I think is undeniable LOL. Weight is seriously a factor, also another person was trying to hate on the amount of smith machines. How many free weight squat stations do you have at your gym? Look at one half, look at the other, what is the machine/free weight ratio. If you see my responses you see I am clearly PRO FREE WEIGHT.
I've debunked the links of Sara or whoever that is, I don't care. Get me 1 on 1 with the guy who wrote the article and you'll find the truth; we would agree on most things! I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
No one suggested doing weighted squats everyday on this post. I really don't give a **** if the guys at your gym know about Stronglifts. It is a good program for beginners if followed properly. Many women on here are looking to preserve their muscle mass while trying to lose body fat and this type of free weight program is effective for that purpose. The reason it is good for beginners is because it allows you to do 6 compound movements (3 each session). It is easy to understand, easy to follow and time efficient. It strengthens core muscles and allows you to work the large muscle groups.
Why do you keep arguing?
He is making it all about him, and that way he writes makes it seem likes he thinks he knows EVERYTHING and is talking down to people.
quite frustrating as it is hijacking the thread.
I say ignore.0 -
I'm currently reading this. I'll respond once I get through it all but I will gladly throw my hat in the ring to anyone who is up for some friendly competition to those willing to compare results based on body weight max reps for numerous exercises. I'll give a 3 month window.
I've got a friendly competition for you. What's your Wilks in the big 3? Wait...have you ever competed? DYEL?
Hey sorry guys, I was busy. Yeah, I'm down. Bring it on. There is nothing to lose here, only to gain with any who participates. Do know the beginning argument was people how suggest doing SQUATS EVERYDAY (HAHAHA) to those doing the lift less frequently but more intense for STRENGTH gains.
ALSO REMEMBER THIS IS ADVICE TO A BEGINNER AT WEIGHT LIFTING.
The other argument was people injuring themselves more frequently through free weight than machines, which I think is undeniable LOL. Weight is seriously a factor, also another person was trying to hate on the amount of smith machines. How many free weight squat stations do you have at your gym? Look at one half, look at the other, what is the machine/free weight ratio. If you see my responses you see I am clearly PRO FREE WEIGHT.
I've debunked the links of Sara or whoever that is, I don't care. Get me 1 on 1 with the guy who wrote the article and you'll find the truth; we would agree on most things! I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
No one suggested doing weighted squats everyday on this post. I really don't give a **** if the guys at your gym know about Stronglifts. It is a good program for beginners if followed properly. Many women on here are looking to preserve their muscle mass while trying to lose body fat and this type of free weight program is effective for that purpose. The reason it is good for beginners is because it allows you to do 6 compound movements (3 each session). It is easy to understand, easy to follow and time efficient. It strengthens core muscles and allows you to work the large muscle groups.
Why do you keep arguing?
He is making it all about him, and that way he writes makes it seem likes he thinks he knows EVERYTHING and is talking down to people.
quite frustrating as it is hijacking the thread.
I say ignore.
I'm with you on this ^0 -
I'm currently reading this. I'll respond once I get through it all but I will gladly throw my hat in the ring to anyone who is up for some friendly competition to those willing to compare results based on body weight max reps for numerous exercises. I'll give a 3 month window.
I've got a friendly competition for you. What's your Wilks in the big 3? Wait...have you ever competed? DYEL?
Hey sorry guys, I was busy. Yeah, I'm down. Bring it on. There is nothing to lose here, only to gain with any who participates. Do know the beginning argument was people how suggest doing SQUATS EVERYDAY (HAHAHA) to those doing the lift less frequently but more intense for STRENGTH gains.
ALSO REMEMBER THIS IS ADVICE TO A BEGINNER AT WEIGHT LIFTING.
The other argument was people injuring themselves more frequently through free weight than machines, which I think is undeniable LOL. Weight is seriously a factor, also another person was trying to hate on the amount of smith machines. How many free weight squat stations do you have at your gym? Look at one half, look at the other, what is the machine/free weight ratio. If you see my responses you see I am clearly PRO FREE WEIGHT.
I've debunked the links of Sara or whoever that is, I don't care. Get me 1 on 1 with the guy who wrote the article and you'll find the truth; we would agree on most things! I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
No one suggested doing weighted squats everyday on this post. I really don't give a **** if the guys at your gym know about Stronglifts. It is a good program for beginners if followed properly. Many women on here are looking to preserve their muscle mass while trying to lose body fat and this type of free weight program is effective for that purpose. The reason it is good for beginners is because it allows you to do 6 compound movements (3 each session). It is easy to understand, easy to follow and time efficient. It strengthens core muscles and allows you to work the large muscle groups.
Why do you keep arguing?
He is making it all about him, and that way he writes makes it seem likes he thinks he knows EVERYTHING and is talking down to people.
quite frustrating as it is hijacking the thread.
I say ignore.
I'm with you on this ^
^ me three.....0 -
Another voteI'm currently reading this. I'll respond once I get through it all but I will gladly throw my hat in the ring to anyone who is up for some friendly competition to those willing to compare results based on body weight max reps for numerous exercises. I'll give a 3 month window.
I've got a friendly competition for you. What's your Wilks in the big 3? Wait...have you ever competed? DYEL?
Hey sorry guys, I was busy. Yeah, I'm down. Bring it on. There is nothing to lose here, only to gain with any who participates. Do know the beginning argument was people how suggest doing SQUATS EVERYDAY (HAHAHA) to those doing the lift less frequently but more intense for STRENGTH gains.
ALSO REMEMBER THIS IS ADVICE TO A BEGINNER AT WEIGHT LIFTING.
The other argument was people injuring themselves more frequently through free weight than machines, which I think is undeniable LOL. Weight is seriously a factor, also another person was trying to hate on the amount of smith machines. How many free weight squat stations do you have at your gym? Look at one half, look at the other, what is the machine/free weight ratio. If you see my responses you see I am clearly PRO FREE WEIGHT.
I've debunked the links of Sara or whoever that is, I don't care. Get me 1 on 1 with the guy who wrote the article and you'll find the truth; we would agree on most things! I actually asked some of the biggest most cut guys at my gym and asked what the **** is a 5x5 program. Non had a clue. Then I told them if doing free weight squats everyday as a novice lifter was favorable (with all seriousness) and the response was laughter.
No one suggested doing weighted squats everyday on this post. I really don't give a **** if the guys at your gym know about Stronglifts. It is a good program for beginners if followed properly. Many women on here are looking to preserve their muscle mass while trying to lose body fat and this type of free weight program is effective for that purpose. The reason it is good for beginners is because it allows you to do 6 compound movements (3 each session). It is easy to understand, easy to follow and time efficient. It strengthens core muscles and allows you to work the large muscle groups.
Why do you keep arguing?
He is making it all about him, and that way he writes makes it seem likes he thinks he knows EVERYTHING and is talking down to people.
quite frustrating as it is hijacking the thread.
I say ignore.
I'm with you on this ^
^ me three.....0 -
+6Another vote
unless he want to post his Wilks?0 -
Someone sure is eager for attention. How about we just get out the tape and measure?
I bet my thighs are bigger.0 -
+6Another vote
unless he want to post his Wilks?
Well, he seemed confused about the big three, so I'm not sensing a wilks is going to be produced anytime soon.....0 -
Efferding says what's up =P
Trust you to find the outlier!
I'm assuming he actively tries for both disciplines though, rather than just happened to train for one and fall into the other. Although there are always exceptions.0 -
+6Another vote
unless he want to post his Wilks?
Well, he seemed confused about the big three, so I'm not sensing a wilks is going to be produced anytime soon.....
I think he thought you wanted him to post something like this:0
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