Paleo Diet
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »the "paleo" diet is anthropologically incorrect anyways
^^ This. And I'm an archaeologist, so do actually know a thing or two about what our ancestors ate. Like, y'know, that the Paleolithic is a REALLY long time period, and our ancestors were pretty geographically spread by the end of it (actually by the middle of it even). Oh, and Neanderthals ate legumes, there's archaeological proof of that, as well as proof of a whole bunch of other stuff on the 'paleo' 'naughty' list being eaten by our ancestors. And, and, and...Oh, and it's impossible to truly eat paleo anyway. That broccoli you're munching on? DIDN'T EXIST!!! Even the meat is different, because it's from domesticated animals (even if you go out and catch it 'wild').
Srsly, eat whatever you want, but don't do it because some 'expert' (who has no background in paleoanthropolgy, archaeology or any other discipline that actually studies these things) says it's the way we used to eat. And don't call it paleo (words have meanings people).
/rant off
Loved your little rant
mostly because it is all true and that is why I don't always adhere to the list of foods. As for the word "Paleo" I think some guy trademarked the term The Paleo Diet so I not sure where that will take us all. To us non archaeologists, it is just a word.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Haha, well some of them may have, y'know, the ones who'd gotten to places where coconuts actually grow!! So I guess it depends which geographical region's paleolithic you're adhering to
something tells me they would not have been able to break it down into cooking oil ...
They were a remarkably clever bunch!! So it actually wouldn't surprise me at all. But that goes in the 'things we'll never know' basket, can't see that it would leave a lot of evidence (using coconut certainly does, but no way to tell exactly what for).0 -
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Thank God for free will. Paleo lifestyle is there for those who choose to follow it for whatever reason. It requires meals be made from scratch and some discipline. If you like cooking then maybe yeah, if you don't you will struggle. Vegetarianism is a lifestyle, if you like meat this will not work for you. Some people eat the sugar laden cereals and don't have a problem. Some people like to eat out, other want to know and control what goes into their food. Like all dietary lifestyles, we take from it what we want
I agree. What we eventually choose depends on our lifestyle. It has to be sustainable and because I CAN'T eat wheat, do not feel well after eating a lot of added sugar but love using fresh produce in my cooking, the Paleo recipes work for me. And we definitely take from it what we want, that is human nature.
It is just amusing because you keep saying "paleo works for me" but it has been established that what you are doing is not Paleo ….but yet you keep saying you want to do Paleo...
Paleo does actually work for me as the times when I stick to it I feel amazing. I followed this way of eating long before I had even heard of the term. I have little hiccups along the way and deviate occasionally but yes I want to do Paleo in the future. I see nothing wrong with saying any of that.
Also in an earlier post you said "you can not do paleo, eat in a deficit, and lose weight...and as Lemur pointed out you can eat paleo, be in a surplus, and gain weight..
Lemur, was right when she said "you can eat paleo, be in a surplus, and gain weight" but I don't get what you meant as you will lose weight if you eat paleo in a deficit.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »
If this place drives you nuts just look at these things here: paleoproproducts.com/product/paleo-protein-powder-2/#comment-5702 who knew cavemen had packaged powders and capsules!0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Haha, well some of them may have, y'know, the ones who'd gotten to places where coconuts actually grow!! So I guess it depends which geographical region's paleolithic you're adhering to
something tells me they would not have been able to break it down into cooking oil ...
They were a remarkably clever bunch!! So it actually wouldn't surprise me at all. But that goes in the 'things we'll never know' basket, can't see that it would leave a lot of evidence (using coconut certainly does, but no way to tell exactly what for).
Well, the oldest pottery is what, 18000 years? I suppose it's possible they were pouring their oil into stone bowls, but did they make Paleo Fat Bombs with it?0 -
obscuremusicreference wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Haha, well some of them may have, y'know, the ones who'd gotten to places where coconuts actually grow!! So I guess it depends which geographical region's paleolithic you're adhering to
something tells me they would not have been able to break it down into cooking oil ...
They were a remarkably clever bunch!! So it actually wouldn't surprise me at all. But that goes in the 'things we'll never know' basket, can't see that it would leave a lot of evidence (using coconut certainly does, but no way to tell exactly what for).
Well, the oldest pottery is what, 18000 years? I suppose it's possible they were pouring their oil into stone bowls, but did they make Paleo Fat Bombs with it?
And don't forget they were grinding grains into flour...
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Thank God for free will. Paleo lifestyle is there for those who choose to follow it for whatever reason. It requires meals be made from scratch and some discipline. If you like cooking then maybe yeah, if you don't you will struggle. Vegetarianism is a lifestyle, if you like meat this will not work for you. Some people eat the sugar laden cereals and don't have a problem. Some people like to eat out, other want to know and control what goes into their food. Like all dietary lifestyles, we take from it what we want
I agree. What we eventually choose depends on our lifestyle. It has to be sustainable and because I CAN'T eat wheat, do not feel well after eating a lot of added sugar but love using fresh produce in my cooking, the Paleo recipes work for me. And we definitely take from it what we want, that is human nature.
It is just amusing because you keep saying "paleo works for me" but it has been established that what you are doing is not Paleo ….but yet you keep saying you want to do Paleo...
Paleo does actually work for me as the times when I stick to it I feel amazing. I followed this way of eating long before I had even heard of the term. I have little hiccups along the way and deviate occasionally but yes I want to do Paleo in the future. I see nothing wrong with saying any of that.
Also in an earlier post you said "you can not do paleo, eat in a deficit, and lose weight...and as Lemur pointed out you can eat paleo, be in a surplus, and gain weight..
Lemur, was right when she said "you can eat paleo, be in a surplus, and gain weight" but I don't get what you meant as you will lose weight if you eat paleo in a deficit.
My point is that paleo has nothing to do with weight gain or loss...
The calorie deficit or surplus is what matters not the individual food choice ....0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »
If this place drives you nuts just look at these things here: paleoproproducts.com/product/paleo-protein-powder-2/#comment-5702 who knew cavemen had packaged powders and capsules!
That cracks me up. Reminds me of my stationary crossfit machine Idea I need to get around to inventing one of these days.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »
If this place drives you nuts just look at these things here: paleoproproducts.com/product/paleo-protein-powder-2/#comment-5702 who knew cavemen had packaged powders and capsules!
That cracks me up. Reminds me of my stationary crossfit machine Idea I need to get around to inventing one of these days.
I have one of those already, it's called a hammock.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »
If this place drives you nuts just look at these things here: paleoproproducts.com/product/paleo-protein-powder-2/#comment-5702 who knew cavemen had packaged powders and capsules!
That cracks me up. Reminds me of my stationary crossfit machine Idea I need to get around to inventing one of these days.
I have one of those already, it's called a hammock.
Lol. Avast there matey!0 -
obscuremusicreference wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Haha, well some of them may have, y'know, the ones who'd gotten to places where coconuts actually grow!! So I guess it depends which geographical region's paleolithic you're adhering to
something tells me they would not have been able to break it down into cooking oil ...
They were a remarkably clever bunch!! So it actually wouldn't surprise me at all. But that goes in the 'things we'll never know' basket, can't see that it would leave a lot of evidence (using coconut certainly does, but no way to tell exactly what for).
Well, the oldest pottery is what, 18000 years? I suppose it's possible they were pouring their oil into stone bowls, but did they make Paleo Fat Bombs with it?
There are loads of other things that can be used as vessels (like coconut shells!!), but really, who the hell knows. I reckon they used it to make delicious bath bombs 0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »
If this place drives you nuts just look at these things here: paleoproproducts.com/product/paleo-protein-powder-2/#comment-5702 who knew cavemen had packaged powders and capsules!
Oh god, can I post and tell them they're all idiots? And how did the Paleolithic cacao from South America get to Europe to be mixed with the Paleolithic beef?? And the eggs from Paleolithic Asia? Is this the paleo version of 'fusion' cuisine?0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »obscuremusicreference wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Haha, well some of them may have, y'know, the ones who'd gotten to places where coconuts actually grow!! So I guess it depends which geographical region's paleolithic you're adhering to
something tells me they would not have been able to break it down into cooking oil ...
They were a remarkably clever bunch!! So it actually wouldn't surprise me at all. But that goes in the 'things we'll never know' basket, can't see that it would leave a lot of evidence (using coconut certainly does, but no way to tell exactly what for).
Well, the oldest pottery is what, 18000 years? I suppose it's possible they were pouring their oil into stone bowls, but did they make Paleo Fat Bombs with it?
There are loads of other things that can be used as vessels (like coconut shells!!), but really, who the hell knows. I reckon they used it to make delicious bath bombs
Oh, that's true. I am terrible at being a cavelady. I'm going to hang up my blue light-filtering laptop goggles and call it a day
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obscuremusicreference wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »obscuremusicreference wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Haha, well some of them may have, y'know, the ones who'd gotten to places where coconuts actually grow!! So I guess it depends which geographical region's paleolithic you're adhering to
something tells me they would not have been able to break it down into cooking oil ...
They were a remarkably clever bunch!! So it actually wouldn't surprise me at all. But that goes in the 'things we'll never know' basket, can't see that it would leave a lot of evidence (using coconut certainly does, but no way to tell exactly what for).
Well, the oldest pottery is what, 18000 years? I suppose it's possible they were pouring their oil into stone bowls, but did they make Paleo Fat Bombs with it?
There are loads of other things that can be used as vessels (like coconut shells!!), but really, who the hell knows. I reckon they used it to make delicious bath bombs
Oh, that's true. I am terrible at being a cavelady. I'm going to hang up my blue light-filtering laptop goggles and call it a day
I mean, how else would they have cooked their broccoli and sweet potatoes 0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »
If this place drives you nuts just look at these things here: paleoproproducts.com/product/paleo-protein-powder-2/#comment-5702 who knew cavemen had packaged powders and capsules!
Oh god, can I post and tell them they're all idiots? And how did the Paleolithic cacao from South America get to Europe to be mixed with the Paleolithic beef?? And the eggs from Paleolithic Asia? Is this the paleo version of 'fusion' cuisine?
Apparently they had amazing supply chains.0 -
Granted, Paleo is a lot of guesswork, cherry picking, and maybe some straight up hooey, but as a trend, I think it will end better than the low fat cookie craze.0
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »
If this place drives you nuts just look at these things here: paleoproproducts.com/product/paleo-protein-powder-2/#comment-5702 who knew cavemen had packaged powders and capsules!
Oh god, can I post and tell them they're all idiots? And how did the Paleolithic cacao from South America get to Europe to be mixed with the Paleolithic beef?? And the eggs from Paleolithic Asia? Is this the paleo version of 'fusion' cuisine?
I have a feeling there is already a paleo fusion restaurant somewhere...Granted, Paleo is a lot of guesswork, cherry picking, and maybe some straight up hooey, but as a trend, I think it will end better than the low fat cookie craze.
And agree with this as well.0 -
I really need to come up with a fad diet so I, too, can make my millions.0
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Granted, Paleo is a lot of guesswork, cherry picking, and maybe some straight up hooey, but as a trend, I think it will end better than the low fat cookie craze.
Their not-really-in-the-spirit-of-it-but-technically-compliant treats definitely seem to be much tastier, IMO, and same with the packaged products I've tried (and some of those are quite reasonable from a macro or nutrient perspective independent even if one has no problem at all with grains, etc.). So I have to agree.
But talk about setting a low bar!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
Heh. You and lemurcat are right. I did set the bar awfully low to praise Paleo, didn't I?0 -
Here is a good get started guide to creating fad dietsI really need to come up with a fad diet so I, too, can make my millions.
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/
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I am starting the 'beer' diet.
You must drink beer with every meal. It fills you up so you're not hungry.
I, and many, many followers have lost tons of weight on this diet.
The secret is the 'hops'. The hops are what provide the fat-burning fuel to your metabolism.
Send me your credit information, and you will be the first to receive my up-and-coming book!0 -
Oh well that's me out of here. I will leave you all to work out your new money making enterprises. For me that is not what Paleo is about and the last page has been a lot of childish nonsense which I can't relate to in any way as it is certainly not my lifestyle. My only expenditures have been for some wonderful cookbooks and my return over the years has been good health. Information on healthy nutrition is free.
I had afternoon tea with a friend of mine who has been in the weight industry for 15 years as a Weight Watcher's instructor and as a Jenny Craig consultant and I ask her what has she learnt to be the number one secret to weight loss.
Her reply was "stop shovelling sh*# into your mouth and move."
So there you have it!!
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