Ashley Graham's plus sized Sports Illustrated Cover
What do you think about this cover and Ashley Graham? I don't want to body shame. I am not trying to pick on anyone individually, but I do think she is overweight. The majority of the comments by girls on the articles is 'she is not plus sized, she is normal' 'she is real' 'she is not plus sized, she is healthy' or 'she is an average woman'.
Just because she is an average woman does not mean she is not overweight. Size 18 US IS plus sized for models. UK size 8-16 are represented by a size 8 model, so it isn't suprising that a size 14 model represents the xxl categories. Models are supposed to inspire to sell the clothing. A slightly smaller model than a xxl person will see that as inspiration and think, yes that looks good on a curvy person. They are more relatable for the plus sizes than a skinny person.
However, that does not mean that she is not plus sized. If 60% of woman are overweight, it does not mean that she is not plus sized. She is still overweight. It shouldn't be ok to be overweight and people are getting critisied by calling her overweight or agreeing that she is plus sized.
She is probably also not healthy. Not extremely unhealthy like a morbidly obese person, but being overweight does start to cause problems.
What do you think? Do you think she should be called plus sized? Do you think she is overweight? Do you think critising the use of plus sized and the preference of real or average woman (because she probably is the weight of an average person) is making obesity acceptable?
Just because she is an average woman does not mean she is not overweight. Size 18 US IS plus sized for models. UK size 8-16 are represented by a size 8 model, so it isn't suprising that a size 14 model represents the xxl categories. Models are supposed to inspire to sell the clothing. A slightly smaller model than a xxl person will see that as inspiration and think, yes that looks good on a curvy person. They are more relatable for the plus sizes than a skinny person.
However, that does not mean that she is not plus sized. If 60% of woman are overweight, it does not mean that she is not plus sized. She is still overweight. It shouldn't be ok to be overweight and people are getting critisied by calling her overweight or agreeing that she is plus sized.
She is probably also not healthy. Not extremely unhealthy like a morbidly obese person, but being overweight does start to cause problems.
What do you think? Do you think she should be called plus sized? Do you think she is overweight? Do you think critising the use of plus sized and the preference of real or average woman (because she probably is the weight of an average person) is making obesity acceptable?
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I dont know her BMI so I dont know what her weight is - but I think you should be careful about judging whether or not she is healthy based on her size. I know plenty of people who are not thin but are healthy and active. I am a size 16 and have perfect bloodwork, perfect cholesterol, work out daily and eat way better than many of my thinner friends - who smoke, eat junk, drink alcohol, go tanning.....a picture of one persons health is alot more than their dress size.
And honestly - is there a real danger in making is acceptable not to be a size 2? I think its wonderful. I love being curvy and wouldnt want to be anything other than that.
Also - I would like to add that as a size 12 -14 and about 165lbs I player professional roller derby and jammed faster and hit harder than any 110lb girl on the track.0 -
Are we supposed to go find it ourselves? I'm out0
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she looks hot from the pictures I have seen0
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Not sure how to post pics here - otherwise I would go find it for you because I think she is super hot - and sexy as hell.0
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Someone pass the popcorn please?0
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Well, its not the cover, just an ad in the SI magazine. I thought it looked ok, I hate that she has a flatter stomach than me and I'm a size 8.
Oh and for the pervs:
https://yahoo.com/style/plus-size-model-ashley-grahams-ad-will-appear-in-110078052408.html0 -
Sports Illustrated advert
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You may want to add these links to your original post OP:
http://www.etonline.com/news/159150_ashley_graham_rocks_tiny_bikini_sports_illustrated_swimsuit_ad/
http://www.net-a-porter.com/magazine/280/110 -
I'm a perfect gentleman, but I would wreck that0
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jenjencin78 wrote: »Someone pass the popcorn please?
Just keep it away from Ashley Graham, k?
Not SI, but here are some pics:
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I think she is beautiful and healthy looking. Remember waifish Kate Moss and her crack or meth or whatever addiction? Seriously - how dare anyone assume someone isnt healthy based on their dress size. Dont be a judgey mean girl.0
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Well, its not the cover, just an ad in the SI magazine. I thought it looked ok, I hate that she has a flatter stomach than me and I'm a size 8.
She has a flatter stomach than me too lol. I carry a lot of weight there, so I will never be the ideal 'curvy' shape. I'm not jealous, just adding that she is the ideal curvy shape, rather than the similar sized but differently proportioned The Only Way Is Essex 'celebs that you see pictures of on the beach in the Daily Mail that people criticise.
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I think she is hot, overweight, yes I suppose. However kudos to her for having the guts to show it! beautiful!0
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I think she is beautiful and healthy looking. Remember waifish Kate Moss and her crack or meth or whatever addiction? Seriously - how dare anyone assume someone isnt healthy based on their dress size. Dont be a judgey mean girl.
Where do you draw the line? Can you say a 400lb person is perfectly heathy because we don't know what their health is and because we shouldn't judge based on dress size. She probably in reality IS perfectly healthy because she isn't that overweight, and the the majority of people don't have problems. But diabetes, heart disease etc. DOES increase with obesity increasing.0 -
Why is there a line to draw? Whose business is it to judge the health of the person? Yours?0
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I think people just want to say she isn't "plus sized" because they have it in their heads that plus size = fat and ugly. Yes, she's technically overweight, but she looks awesome and I would wager that her weight is not having much of a negative impact on her health. She still has a good waist-to-hip ratio.0
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I think she is beautiful and healthy looking. Remember waifish Kate Moss and her crack or meth or whatever addiction? Seriously - how dare anyone assume someone isnt healthy based on their dress size. Dont be a judgey mean girl.
Where do you draw the line? Can you say a 400lb person is perfectly heathy because we don't know what their health is and because we shouldn't judge based on dress size. She probably in reality IS perfectly healthy because she isn't that overweight, and the the majority of people don't have problems. But diabetes, heart disease etc. DOES increase with obesity increasing.
Not to mention - on your profile you write over and over again that you're fat - just because you dont love yourself doesnt give you the right to judge other people so harshly.
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Why is there a line to draw? Whose business is it to judge the health of the person? Yours?
No not mine. I am not trying to judge her. I mean societies business. Should doctors, the general public, the health industry etc. never encourage anyone to lose weight because we would be judgemental? Should we just overlook the rising obesity levels because it is seen as 'fat shaming'?
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Man, she's hot. Overweight yes, plus sized yes, those are facts- and I make no judgement on the health of someone I don't know, because it is not a fact that I know.
But as far as people calling her "normal"- depending on her size, she is around the average American woman, so I can see where those comments come from. I don't think that people that call her "average" are all of a sudden going to start shunning people of healthy weight. It's just a little backlash from super crazy skinny days.0 -
Why is there a line to draw? Whose business is it to judge the health of the person? Yours?
No not mine. I am not trying to judge her. I mean societies business. Should doctors, the general public, the health industry etc. never encourage anyone to lose weight because we would be judgemental? Should we just overlook the rising obesity levels because it is seen as 'fat shaming'?
Unless you are her Doctor - I think you should keep quiet about it or be happy for her. Its not your business to judge or be concerned. Do you want all fat people to hide in the back booths of burger king where they belong or is it ok with you if they show their healthy bodies with pride?0 -
She looks amazing! To me there should be a variety of women on these magazine covers because at the end of the day, everyone is different. She may appeal to certain people, and others may find smaller models attractive. I do not see this as making obesity acceptable, I see it as women come in all different shapes and sizes. It is not like I looked at this and thought, damn, I want to be obese now, so pass me a cupcake...
I believe this, there is no image that can be put out there that would make a person believe being obese is ok. Everyone knows the difference between being fat or thin and what the effects are on their health are. If a person chooses to overeat, then they live with the consequences that come with it. We are not doctors, we are normal people. If a person is living an unhealthy life that is their business to take up with their doctor, not for us to sit here and criticize. People have choices in life, and someone else’s choice does not affect the way I live so who am I to say *kitten*
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I think she is beautiful and healthy looking. Remember waifish Kate Moss and her crack or meth or whatever addiction? Seriously - how dare anyone assume someone isnt healthy based on their dress size. Dont be a judgey mean girl.
Where do you draw the line? Can you say a 400lb person is perfectly heathy because we don't know what their health is and because we shouldn't judge based on dress size. She probably in reality IS perfectly healthy because she isn't that overweight, and the the majority of people don't have problems. But diabetes, heart disease etc. DOES increase with obesity increasing.
Not to mention - on your profile you write over and over again that you're fat - just because you dont love yourself doesnt give you the right to judge other people so harshly.
I WAS overweight, no question about it. I loved my boobs and bum and didn't hate myself, but because I am apple shaped and things like the pill aren't as effective when you are overweight, it is unhealthy. I am not trying to pick on Ashley, I am just trying to discuss whether people think fat acceptance is okay and because, as she is an average sized compared to the average person whether or not she should be referred to as a plus sized model or not.
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I really don't think it's as controversial as people are making it. We constantly have underweight gals without a lot of muscle tone thrown in our faces in magazines etc. and it's just "par for the course" (and no, I'm not implying all underweight girls are unhealthy AT ALL.) We know it can be bad for us to be overweight, we also know being underweight can be dangerous too. There is actually less wiggle room when it comes to being underweight than overweight.
The "hot or not" thing will vary from person to person. I personally think she's smokin. She talks about being into fitness so I can only assume she cares about her health. Is it the ideal body I want for myself? No. I still think she looks amazing though. I think when it comes to pandering and advertising there is room for variety. We don't have enough as it is. If there were a wider variety, it wouldn't really be promoting one thing or the other. It would just be reflecting our society, our reality.
I do appreciate how it wasn't OVER Photoshopped like a lot of plus sized models are. Sure she's shopped a bit, but usually they flatten the tummy and get rid of the lumps and they didn't do that for her. Its a bit more realistic.
*sorry for the edits
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Yes, she's plus sized, and yes, it's OK that she's plus sized.0
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Here's my .02. She looks amazing and she is confident enough to model so good for her. I would love to be able to rock a bikini like that and not feel self conscious. I have lost 100 lbs through lifestyle change and still don't feel comfortable in a bikini. As for her health, who are we to presume her as being unhealthy? Do you know her blood pressure, cholesterol levels or BMI? I've been obese and I've also been underweight. Neither were healthy but the biggest difference was no one ever made comments about me being too skinny. Just a thought!0
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She looks better than the waif models with fake boobs.0
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