Guys, stop with the orthorexia already!
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I'm glad that currently there's a hyper awareness of food production. I remember the arid desert that was the grocery store in the 1980s.
Thank god for the re-emergence of the small farmer -- the craft farmer? The artisinal farmer? Today, I can purchase beef, chicken, cheese, wine, honey, ALL THE FRUIT and VEG, and tons of other foods produced within 50 miles of me. Well, the wine sucks, that's true. But the rest of it is super tasty. A hot orange, 10 seconds from tree to my mouth? Local seafood? Grass fed beef? All amazing. Even better -- bison. Yum. Emu meat is gross, though.
A red tomato, fresh from the farmer's truck. /thread Beats the nasty hothouse tomato hands down. Sadly, I am too far away from New Jersey to get New Jersey corn, but it's the best corn in the country.
And when I eat at restaurants, I get so many interesting food choices, things I've never heard of and am delighted to get to eat.
30 years ago? Not so much. Limited choice, limited imagination. Anyone remember aspic salad? Or when there were two apple choices -- MacIntosh and Granny Smith?
I don't think this hyper awareness about food is causing people to develop a mental illness, though. We are the only animal that is constantly aware of its own death, and that makes us anxious. For thousands of years, that anxiety was pretty stable in its focus: where is our next meal coming from? Today, we have the luxury to be anxious about anything - climate change, nuclear war, terrorism, food production, etc.0 -
Thank god for the re-emergence of the small farmer -- the craft farmer? The artisinal farmer? Today, I can purchase beef, chicken, cheese, wine, honey, ALL THE FRUIT and VEG, and tons of other foods produced within 50 miles of me. Well, the wine sucks, that's true. But the rest of it is super tasty. A hot orange, 10 seconds from tree to my mouth? Local seafood? Grass fed beef? All amazing. Even better -- bison. Yum. Emu meat is gross, though.
I personally like the ones that are buying up produce from other producers, donning some grubby clothes, creating a nice sign, buying a bunch of baskets, and then weaving beautiful stories for urbanites to coo over their $8 a pound potatoes that wouldn't be grown there...
Those guys are smart. All the persona, none of the actual farming.0 -
This thread is too funny!! So what if people decide to watch what/how they eat...does it affect you in any way? Didn't think so!0
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KitkatcuteNYC wrote: »This thread is too funny!! So what if people decide to watch what/how they eat...does it affect you in any way? Didn't think so!
I think you missed the point. We have to judge, lest things be unjudged.0 -
I personally like the ones that are buying up produce from other producers, donning some grubby clothes, creating a nice sign, buying a bunch of baskets, and then weaving beautiful stories for urbanites to coo over their $8 a pound potatoes that wouldn't be grown there...
Those guys are smart. All the persona, none of the actual farming.
Around here, fortunately, we go to the actual farm. I went to the cheese farm and asked the woman if she sold her chickens. Turns out they are her pets -- I think she was about to stroke out when I talked about cooking them.
On a related note, when I was strolling down the cereal aisle the other day, I noticed that Cheerios has a new product out: Cheerios Ancient Grains.
I was so delighted I bought some. Now I am going to tell everyone I am Paleo.0 -
I bet they're made of quinoa and spelt! lol. too funny.
What I like about the fetishization of farming, farm to table, agricoles, etc. is that there is now a huge population of fakers and takers that are making a ton of money from the naive. You see that a lot from craft Bourbon distillers now too. (Most sell the same Indiana factory bourbon as the others.)
What this means though, is that soon people will become educated enough that the shills are going to get weeded out, and there will be a minimal population of them selling their Doris the Exploer, and Poomas.
As for farms... we went to this farm once, in MA. Great little farm stand, strangely, the fields were fenced off, and the ones I could see were fallow. There was a huge bounty in the store. One day on my way to work I saw a truck pull up to make a produce delivery.
Sweeet.0 -
benjaminhkohl wrote: »I am definitely sick of everything getting slapped with "gluten free" labels now. Very few people have a gluten intolerance anyway. But I can't help but laugh when I see a carbonated energy drink labeled "gluten free". It's basically just the "low fat!" / "no carbs!" of this decade.
I ordered tacos at a local restaurant near me and asked for corn tortillas instead of flour. The server responds "you mean gluten free tortillas?" No. I mean the corn tortillas that happen to be gluten free. Drives me crazy.
You could have just asked for the GMO tortillas. :drinker:0 -
IToday, I can purchase beef, chicken, cheese, wine, honey, ALL THE FRUIT and VEG, and tons of other foods produced within 50 miles of me. Well, the wine sucks, that's true. But the rest of it is super tasty. A hot orange, 10 seconds from tree to my mouth? Local seafood? Grass fed beef? All amazing. Even better -- bison.
I'm curious where you live that both bison and oranges are within 50 miles of each other. I could be wrong, but I don't think that happened "naturally" anywhere in North America or Europe.
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IToday, I can purchase beef, chicken, cheese, wine, honey, ALL THE FRUIT and VEG, and tons of other foods produced within 50 miles of me. Well, the wine sucks, that's true. But the rest of it is super tasty. A hot orange, 10 seconds from tree to my mouth? Local seafood? Grass fed beef? All amazing. Even better -- bison.
I'm curious where you live that both bison and oranges are within 50 miles of each other. I could be wrong, but I don't think that happened "naturally" anywhere in North America or Europe.
California has bison, elk, and deer ranches all within the ag belt, so plausible.0 -
KitkatcuteNYC wrote: »This thread is too funny!! So what if people decide to watch what/how they eat...does it affect you in any way? Didn't think so!
I'm not sure where this idea came from that this is what orthorexia is. There's a huge difference between watching what you eat and being overcome with terror at the thought of eating anything you didn't cook yourself for fear of accidentally eating something "unclean". It controls your life and affects your relationships. Is that what "watching what you eat" is like for you?0 -
IToday, I can purchase beef, chicken, cheese, wine, honey, ALL THE FRUIT and VEG, and tons of other foods produced within 50 miles of me. Well, the wine sucks, that's true. But the rest of it is super tasty. A hot orange, 10 seconds from tree to my mouth? Local seafood? Grass fed beef? All amazing. Even better -- bison.
I'm curious where you live that both bison and oranges are within 50 miles of each other. I could be wrong, but I don't think that happened "naturally" anywhere in North America or Europe.
California has bison, elk, and deer ranches all within the ag belt, so plausible.
I've no doubt its plausible - you can grow bananas in Siberia if you really want to - but bisons aren't native to the southern half of California where oranges are (naturally) found.
Anyway, it's good to have lots of local variety - the poster is lucky, however the situation developed. :drinker:0 -
I'm glad that currently there's a hyper awareness of food production. I remember the arid desert that was the grocery store in the 1980s.
Thank god for the re-emergence of the small farmer -- the craft farmer? The artisinal farmer? Today, I can purchase beef, chicken, cheese, wine, honey, ALL THE FRUIT and VEG, and tons of other foods produced within 50 miles of me. Well, the wine sucks, that's true. But the rest of it is super tasty. A hot orange, 10 seconds from tree to my mouth? Local seafood? Grass fed beef? All amazing. Even better -- bison. Yum. Emu meat is gross, though.
A red tomato, fresh from the farmer's truck. /thread Beats the nasty hothouse tomato hands down. Sadly, I am too far away from New Jersey to get New Jersey corn, but it's the best corn in the country.
And when I eat at restaurants, I get so many interesting food choices, things I've never heard of and am delighted to get to eat.
30 years ago? Not so much. Limited choice, limited imagination. Anyone remember aspic salad? Or when there were two apple choices -- MacIntosh and Granny Smith?
I don't think this hyper awareness about food is causing people to develop a mental illness, though. We are the only animal that is constantly aware of its own death, and that makes us anxious. For thousands of years, that anxiety was pretty stable in its focus: where is our next meal coming from? Today, we have the luxury to be anxious about anything - climate change, nuclear war, terrorism, food production, etc.
I agree with this, but as I said above, this is the same kind of added choice and market response that people seem to be bemoaning when they say that it's harder for us, since we don't eat like our great-grandparents. That's true, but in many ways the choices I have that my great-grandparents (or even parents, back when they were young) did not have are really good ones. A lot of this IS local, if more diverse local produce than was available where I grew up (especially given that I'm in a city), but not all of it is--I couldn't have ocean fish or bananas or coffee if we were limited to local.
I think people tended to eat better when I was a kid in large part because cultural limitations were still more present (we had supermarkets and McD's in the '80s, but my parents still insisted that most meals be cooked at home, that they be generally normal balanced meals, that something like McD or pizza be an occasional treat, not regular fare, and we drink water or milk not soda, etc.). None of this has gotten harder, just for whatever reason lots of people no longer feel the social pressure that probably reenforced them. However, in the social environment I currently live in I think there's probably a lot more pressure to feel your child a super healthy diet (depending on your particular understanding of that) than my parents with their "meat, potato, veg, milk" idea would have thought about, so to generalize to the US as a whole is just folly.0 -
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Guess what. In order to not be overweight or obese and avoid related risks, you have to be a little weird, at least in our society. It is not exactly psychologically normal to count calories for a lifetime, yet that is what many will have to do to keep it off long-term.
It's an adjustment related to disorder, yes, except it's society that's disordered.
("Our" society = English-speaking countries, like the ones MFP users belong to, and some others.)
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I bet they're made of quinoa and spelt! lol. too funny.
What I like about the fetishization of farming, farm to table, agricoles, etc. is that there is now a huge population of fakers and takers that are making a ton of money from the naive. You see that a lot from craft Bourbon distillers now too. (Most sell the same Indiana factory bourbon as the others.)
What this means though, is that soon people will become educated enough that the shills are going to get weeded out, and there will be a minimal population of them selling their Doris the Exploer, and Poomas.
As for farms... we went to this farm once, in MA. Great little farm stand, strangely, the fields were fenced off, and the ones I could see were fallow. There was a huge bounty in the store. One day on my way to work I saw a truck pull up to make a produce delivery.
Sweeet.
A few months ago there was a new produce stand in town and everyone was raving about how great the "fresh, local, farmer's market veggies" were. So I went out there to see what all the fuss was about-- there were produce stickers on 90% of the merchandise. :indifferent:0 -
Urban stands....... city folk are easy marks, and I bet it all looked pretty too.ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »I bet they're made of quinoa and spelt! lol. too funny.
What I like about the fetishization of farming, farm to table, agricoles, etc. is that there is now a huge population of fakers and takers that are making a ton of money from the naive. You see that a lot from craft Bourbon distillers now too. (Most sell the same Indiana factory bourbon as the others.)
What this means though, is that soon people will become educated enough that the shills are going to get weeded out, and there will be a minimal population of them selling their Doris the Exploer, and Poomas.
As for farms... we went to this farm once, in MA. Great little farm stand, strangely, the fields were fenced off, and the ones I could see were fallow. There was a huge bounty in the store. One day on my way to work I saw a truck pull up to make a produce delivery.
Sweeet.
A few months ago there was a new produce stand in town and everyone was raving about how great the "fresh, local, farmer's market veggies" were. So I went out there to see what all the fuss was about-- there were produce stickers on 90% of the merchandise. :indifferent:
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Not in my neck of the woods, but yes, I've seen that.
Not all corn tortillas are gluten free.benjaminhkohl wrote: »I am definitely sick of everything getting slapped with "gluten free" labels now. Very few people have a gluten intolerance anyway. But I can't help but laugh when I see a carbonated energy drink labeled "gluten free". It's basically just the "low fat!" / "no carbs!" of this decade.
I ordered tacos at a local restaurant near me and asked for corn tortillas instead of flour. The server responds "you mean gluten free tortillas?" No. I mean the corn tortillas that happen to be gluten free. Drives me crazy.
Most have wheat flour added to soften their texture.
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herrspoons wrote: »
Lol. preach it!0 -
The only "diet" you will ever hear me spout is IIFYM. I might also say "Move more, eat better" at times in reference to the IIFYM mantra. But to each their own. I've found what works for me and am sticking to it.0
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I'm curious where you live that both bison and oranges are within 50 miles of each other. I could be wrong, but I don't think that happened "naturally" anywhere in North America or Europe.
I'm in the southeast US. Oranges are from China, so no, bison and oranges never naturally occur together. While it seems like oranges are natural and bison are imported, it's actually the reverse.
And in addition to bison farms and orange groves, the bayous are now rice paddies. It's a global culture!
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i dont like these diets claiming you can eat as many calories you like but cut out a food group.... load of crap0
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Like vegetables?rachylouise87 wrote: »i dont like these diets claiming you can eat as many calories you like but cut out a food group.... load of crap
What "food groups" ?
freelee the banana girl, sure.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »This topic is interesting. It starts out about orthorexia, then branches off a bit, then gets full of people getting a bit butthurt about being perceived - usually by themselves - as orthorexic. Which is kind of funny and sad at the same time.
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Shall we just cut to the chase? There is no need to exclude any food group or particular food if you do not have a medical condition that justifies this. Equally, there is nothing to stop you doing so for whatever reasons that you choose. That's your call as long as you then don't start rabbiting on about how it's the divine plan and that all you sugar/meat/fat/whatever eaters are doomed.
I think you'll find the issue began with the OP equating orthorexia to people who post about their diet on facebook, specifically using examples of things that range from fads to prescription. It was when people disagreed that those posts were signs of orthorexia or in any way encouraging it that it all went downhill.
Posting about diet on Facebook is just annoying and a good excuse to hit the unfriend button. Luckily, none of my remaining friends are that tiresome.
Like I said, people should do what works for them but keep the broscience to themselves.
I'm torn on this one - I tend to give more slack to my FB friends that are at least trying to do something to improve their health, even I it is misguided fad BS dieting. I'm more disappointed in the ones that are content to be unfit.
I'd totally give props to a FB friend trying to eat right, and yes, being excited and posting about it. IFF they start telling me how to eat (like 5 of my herbalife loving "friends") I'd ignore, and ultimately "unfollow". I can't fathom unfriending someone for eating right (as they see it).
The people trying to peddle snake oil on FB are a totally different group than the misguided dieters. I've had friends trying to push Herbalife, Beach Body, and Visalus, which is an instant unfriending.
I had a FB "friend" (someone I grew up with but hadn't actually seen in 20 years) who was posting 2-3 comments a day about Visalus, and you could tell they were just scripts provided by the company - she really didn't appear to be very healthy, was likely struggling financially, and was just looking for some multi-level marketing income. The fact that she was pushing something that was expensive and not going to actually improve anyone's health was sad.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »This topic is interesting. It starts out about orthorexia, then branches off a bit, then gets full of people getting a bit butthurt about being perceived - usually by themselves - as orthorexic. Which is kind of funny and sad at the same time.
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Shall we just cut to the chase? There is no need to exclude any food group or particular food if you do not have a medical condition that justifies this. Equally, there is nothing to stop you doing so for whatever reasons that you choose. That's your call as long as you then don't start rabbiting on about how it's the divine plan and that all you sugar/meat/fat/whatever eaters are doomed.
I think you'll find the issue began with the OP equating orthorexia to people who post about their diet on facebook, specifically using examples of things that range from fads to prescription. It was when people disagreed that those posts were signs of orthorexia or in any way encouraging it that it all went downhill.
Posting about diet on Facebook is just annoying and a good excuse to hit the unfriend button. Luckily, none of my remaining friends are that tiresome.
Like I said, people should do what works for them but keep the broscience to themselves.
I'm torn on this one - I tend to give more slack to my FB friends that are at least trying to do something to improve their health, even I it is misguided fad BS dieting. I'm more disappointed in the ones that are content to be unfit.
I'd totally give props to a FB friend trying to eat right, and yes, being excited and posting about it. IFF they start telling me how to eat (like 5 of my herbalife loving "friends") I'd ignore, and ultimately "unfollow". I can't fathom unfriending someone for eating right (as they see it).
The people trying to peddle snake oil on FB are a totally different group than the misguided dieters. I've had friends trying to push Herbalife, Beach Body, and Visalus, which is an instant unfriending.
I had a FB "friend" (someone I grew up with but hadn't actually seen in 20 years) who was posting 2-3 comments a day about Visalus, and you could tell they were just scripts provided by the company - she really didn't appear to be very healthy, was likely struggling financially, and was just looking for some multi-level marketing income. The fact that she was pushing something that was expensive and not going to actually improve anyone's health was sad.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »This topic is interesting. It starts out about orthorexia, then branches off a bit, then gets full of people getting a bit butthurt about being perceived - usually by themselves - as orthorexic. Which is kind of funny and sad at the same time.
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Shall we just cut to the chase? There is no need to exclude any food group or particular food if you do not have a medical condition that justifies this. Equally, there is nothing to stop you doing so for whatever reasons that you choose. That's your call as long as you then don't start rabbiting on about how it's the divine plan and that all you sugar/meat/fat/whatever eaters are doomed.
I think you'll find the issue began with the OP equating orthorexia to people who post about their diet on facebook, specifically using examples of things that range from fads to prescription. It was when people disagreed that those posts were signs of orthorexia or in any way encouraging it that it all went downhill.
Posting about diet on Facebook is just annoying and a good excuse to hit the unfriend button. Luckily, none of my remaining friends are that tiresome.
Like I said, people should do what works for them but keep the broscience to themselves.
I'm torn on this one - I tend to give more slack to my FB friends that are at least trying to do something to improve their health, even I it is misguided fad BS dieting. I'm more disappointed in the ones that are content to be unfit.
I'd totally give props to a FB friend trying to eat right, and yes, being excited and posting about it. IFF they start telling me how to eat (like 5 of my herbalife loving "friends") I'd ignore, and ultimately "unfollow". I can't fathom unfriending someone for eating right (as they see it).
The people trying to peddle snake oil on FB are a totally different group than the misguided dieters. I've had friends trying to push Herbalife, Beach Body, and Visalus, which is an instant unfriending.
I had a FB "friend" (someone I grew up with but hadn't actually seen in 20 years) who was posting 2-3 comments a day about Visalus, and you could tell they were just scripts provided by the company - she really didn't appear to be very healthy, was likely struggling financially, and was just looking for some multi-level marketing income. The fact that she was pushing something that was expensive and not going to actually improve anyone's health was sad.
I've found most of the fb people trying to market their gimmicks tend to learn pretty quick that they need to start a separate page just for their business. That's true whether they're pushing herbalife, jamberry or thirty-one. The decline in friends on their account clues them in. When it's someone who can't figure that out, and I've only seen one so far, it doesn't hurt to make the suggestion.
Aside from that, day to day posts, I don't see why someone posting about their food is any more annoying than someone posting about their cigars or their IPAs or their favorite college team. I know some college ball fans who are 1000 times more annoying than anyone on any diet, but that's just their thing. Don't think we'll see an upswing in sports related OCD from it, either.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »
I would normally agree with you but I have crazy family that live to start drama over nothing and it just isn't worth it to me to have to deal with them over something as small as Facebook. I reserve that for the big stuff.
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Certainly I see even with having a fruit veg smoothie for lunch everyday that I am consuming quite a bit of sugar however it is the natural kind, not the processed kind; and the calories count for all good nutrition not processed junk. Logging made me realize how much sugar is in simple processed foods like peanut butter crackers! That was a real eye opener. Also the servings for fruit and veg are way bigger in size and lower in calories hence enabling you to eat quite a bit and still lose. I have even allowed myself a snack size york patty on nights I want some chocolate- it's about the amount consumed. I'm finding w the sweet stuff often enough to just have the taste is enough to quell it. I don't have to gorge on it.0
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I do find it quite frustrating that a lot of the comments on here are bashing "Gluten Free" labeling - I am glad when things are labeled gluten free, because it saves me a lot of pain and embarrassingly messing myself in public as I am a Coeliac sufferer and I HAVE NO CHOICE but to eat gluten free....
Yes the pre-made gluten free stuff is usually lower in protein and higher in fat - but what choice does a Coeliac like myself have - other than the orthorexic "cleaning eating" that this thread is also bashing....!?!
Do you people really think I and all the other Coeliac sufferers choose to pay over the odds for shoddy alternatives to the real things like bread, pasta, protein bars and other packeted foods that us non clean eating people like to enjoy from time to time....!?!
You lot should try living with Coeliac Disease, see what it's like being blighted by agonising stomach pains from eating what you thought was "Gluten Free" or accidentally messing yourself in public, because the owner of the cafe said "Oh yes love, those are definitely gluten free" when in reality the person you asked couldn't even spell GLUTEN - never mind even have clue what the hell gluten actually was....!!
Next you people will be saying labeling food as "Sugar Free" or "May Contain Nuts" is orthorexic.... I mean heaven forbid we save some poor nut allergy suffers life, or worse still - we stop a diabetic having a hypo....!!0 -
The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »I do find it quite frustrating that a lot of the comments on here are bashing "Gluten Free" labeling - I am glad when things are labeled gluten free, because it saves me a lot of pain and embarrassingly messing myself in public as I am a Coeliac sufferer and I HAVE NO CHOICE but to eat gluten free....
Yes the pre-made gluten free stuff is usually lower in protein and higher in fat - but what choice does a Coeliac like myself have - other than the orthorexic "cleaning eating" that this thread is also bashing....!?!
Do you people really think I and all the other Coeliac sufferers choose to pay over the odds for shoddy alternatives to the real things like bread, pasta, protein bars and other packeted foods that us non clean eating people like to enjoy from time to time....!?!
You lot should try living with Coeliac Disease, see what it's like being blighted by agonising stomach pains from eating what you thought was "Gluten Free" or accidentally messing yourself in public, because the owner of the cafe said "Oh yes love, those are definitely gluten free" when in reality the person you asked couldn't even spell GLUTEN - never mind even have clue what the hell gluten actually was....!!
Next you people will be saying labeling food as "Sugar Free" or "May Contain Nuts" is orthorexic.... I mean heaven forbid we save some poor nut allergy suffers life, or worse still - we stop a diabetic having a hypo....!!
I haven't seen a single gluten free label bash... I have seen the bashing of people who suddenly decide that they are gluten sensitive and speak ad nauseum about going gluten free. Perhaps you misunderstood.
Regardless, gluten free has nothing to do with orthorexia except insofar as it's one of the many diet restrictions that a person with orthorexia might latch on to, and also it can be part of the current culture of making things like gluten free or paleo or whatever almost like a badge that people use to distinguish themselves. It's like joining a cult with some of this stuff. And that climate of encouraging dietary distinction might be a contributing factor to the increase of orthorexia.0 -
The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »
Next you people will be saying labeling food as "Sugar Free" or "May Contain Nuts" is orthorexic.... I mean heaven forbid we save some poor nut allergy suffers life, or worse still - we stop a diabetic having a hypo....!!
Sugar-free gummy bears should have never been invented and I'd like to look into the mind of the person who needs "may contain nuts" on their huge canister of mixed nuts.0
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