help me break free of my food addiction
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OP is not addicted. OP lacks discipline.0
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Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
I think you are trying to find offense where there is none.
I think the conversation is about willpower and what it really means.
And I thought it was very astute to say that willpower can be corrective. We all make mistakes - it's getting up and getting it right the next day that determines success.
I didn't say offended, I said annoyed. Offended means I'm angry and defensive. Annoyed (and its a slight annoyance, trust me) means I mostly ignore them and keep scrolling. I think willpower is a great thing to have. I also think it can be used as a way to not do something (I have no willpower) or a way to beat one's self up over a mistake. People have different triggers, I don't see the harm in identifying those and finding ways to deal with them. Even if it means removing the food. Seriously, why is removing the food bad? I can understand some foods, but its ramen. You have to buy those at the store, you can't eat them in restaurants (at least around here). Just don't buy them if they're that big of a problem, at least until you've gotten used to eating healthier items. Why stress one's self unnecessarily? I'm not talking to you, PRMinx, but the OP. This poster is stating she has a problem, I gave her a few options. Willpower is great, but if she doesn't currently have any then maybe she can use a few other ideas until she builds hers.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
And yet here you are.
Sorry, what part are you referring to?0 -
herrspoons wrote: »AllOutof_Bubblegum wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »well if you eat a bunch of fruit and veggies w/o any protein you're going to be hungry. If the ramen and noodles are just sitting there in your pantry of course you'll eventually break down and eat them.
Never rely on will power, it will ALWAYS let you down (in terms of dieting anyway).
Mine hasn't so far.
LOL, if it doesn't then how did you gain weight in the first place?
By being bedridden after surgery for three months and eating more than I should have.
Any other pearls of wisdom to share?
So how did that happen? From your willpower NOT breaking?
I knew what I was doing and decided I would rather be a bit fat and slightly less miserable than I was than stay thin and be totally unhappy. I also knew I had the willpower to take the weight off once I was well enough to do so.
14 pounds down, 14 to go.
Don't confuse compromise and willpower. They aren't the same thing.
They indeed are not the same thing. The way you worded your original statement sounded like you had them confused. Glad that's cleared up. I had to reach a personal compromise last summer myself: stay the way I look in my profile pic/be miserable, or gain 5ish pounds/allow indulgences and feel more normal.
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Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
I think you are trying to find offense where there is none.
I think the conversation is about willpower and what it really means.
And I thought it was very astute to say that willpower can be corrective. We all make mistakes - it's getting up and getting it right the next day that determines success.
I didn't say offended, I said annoyed. Offended means I'm angry and defensive. Annoyed (and its a slight annoyance, trust me) means I mostly ignore them and keep scrolling. I think willpower is a great thing to have. I also think it can be used as a way to not do something (I have no willpower) or a way to beat one's self up over a mistake. People have different triggers, I don't see the harm in identifying those and finding ways to deal with them. Even if it means removing the food. Seriously, why is removing the food bad? I can understand some foods, but its ramen. You have to buy those at the store, you can't eat them in restaurants (at least around here). Just don't buy them if they're that big of a problem, at least until you've gotten used to eating healthier items. Why stress one's self unnecessarily? I'm not talking to you, PRMinx, but the OP. This poster is stating she has a problem, I gave her a few options. Willpower is great, but if she doesn't currently have any then maybe she can use a few other ideas until she builds hers.
Deprivation results in failure, which is why removing all the foods OP is concerned about is going to be a problem, in the long run. OP will be much more successful if she learns to allow herself to eat what she does want to eat, but in manageable portions that fit into her calorie goals, along with the other foods she is eating. She mentions ramen only as one of the foods that she craves. Deprivation is a huge source of stress, so removing the crave foods will be larger source of stress.0 -
Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
I think you are trying to find offense where there is none.
I think the conversation is about willpower and what it really means.
And I thought it was very astute to say that willpower can be corrective. We all make mistakes - it's getting up and getting it right the next day that determines success.
I didn't say offended, I said annoyed. Offended means I'm angry and defensive. Annoyed (and its a slight annoyance, trust me) means I mostly ignore them and keep scrolling. I think willpower is a great thing to have. I also think it can be used as a way to not do something (I have no willpower) or a way to beat one's self up over a mistake. People have different triggers, I don't see the harm in identifying those and finding ways to deal with them. Even if it means removing the food. Seriously, why is removing the food bad? I can understand some foods, but its ramen. You have to buy those at the store, you can't eat them in restaurants (at least around here). Just don't buy them if they're that big of a problem, at least until you've gotten used to eating healthier items. Why stress one's self unnecessarily? I'm not talking to you, PRMinx, but the OP. This poster is stating she has a problem, I gave her a few options. Willpower is great, but if she doesn't currently have any then maybe she can use a few other ideas until she builds hers.
Deprivation results in failure, which is why removing all the foods OP is concerned about is going to be a problem, in the long run. OP will be much more successful if she learns to allow herself to eat what she does want to eat, but in manageable portions that fit into her calorie goals, along with the other foods she is eating. She mentions ramen only as one of the foods that she craves. Deprivation is a huge source of stress, so removing the crave foods will be larger source of stress.
You're right, it could be a stressor to not have the food around at all. To each their own, I guess. I find it stressful to have foods around I can't eat, unless I have a replacement handy. OP may have to experiment and see for herself.0 -
Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
I think you are trying to find offense where there is none.
I think the conversation is about willpower and what it really means.
And I thought it was very astute to say that willpower can be corrective. We all make mistakes - it's getting up and getting it right the next day that determines success.
I didn't say offended, I said annoyed. Offended means I'm angry and defensive. Annoyed (and its a slight annoyance, trust me) means I mostly ignore them and keep scrolling. I think willpower is a great thing to have. I also think it can be used as a way to not do something (I have no willpower) or a way to beat one's self up over a mistake. People have different triggers, I don't see the harm in identifying those and finding ways to deal with them. Even if it means removing the food. Seriously, why is removing the food bad? I can understand some foods, but its ramen. You have to buy those at the store, you can't eat them in restaurants (at least around here). Just don't buy them if they're that big of a problem, at least until you've gotten used to eating healthier items. Why stress one's self unnecessarily? I'm not talking to you, PRMinx, but the OP. This poster is stating she has a problem, I gave her a few options. Willpower is great, but if she doesn't currently have any then maybe she can use a few other ideas until she builds hers.
Deprivation results in failure, which is why removing all the foods OP is concerned about is going to be a problem, in the long run. OP will be much more successful if she learns to allow herself to eat what she does want to eat, but in manageable portions that fit into her calorie goals, along with the other foods she is eating. She mentions ramen only as one of the foods that she craves. Deprivation is a huge source of stress, so removing the crave foods will be larger source of stress.
^This.
Plus, I'm not the one who fired shots at people, you were. No one here claimed to be perfect, you just prefer to see it that way.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Yes. So do I on occasion. Then I balance it out over the rest of the week.
Willpower can be corrective as well as absolute.
I imagine that would work well for someone who only gained weight because of surgery. But then again so would anything. What works for you won't work for someone who gained weight via their lifestyle.
Not really.
Let's say you are binge eater and that's how you gained weight.
One day, after doing well, you crush two pizzas, a litter of coke and a pint of ice cream for dinner.
That's enough to make someone quit. Because it's easy to feel helpless when you think you've unraveled all your work.
It takes willpower to wake up the next day and get back on the horse.
Well it shouldn't take that much willpower to stay on the horse. Willpower only works when you're motivated. Anyone could probably lose weight in the short term eating by twinkies and donuts while counting calories. But eventually their motivation would wane and the binges would start.
Whereas if you just get used to eating a well balanced healthy diet, and don't keep a lot of junk food lying around then you hardly need willpower. Therefore it's easy not to fall off the wagon in the first place. And if you do it's no big deal, it's also easy to simply resume your usual healthy lifestyle.
Of course if you want to be like Ben Stiller in Dodgeball and continually taunt yourself with junk food then go for it. Do whatever works for you. Just realize that things that require constant willpower don't work well for many of us.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Yes. So do I on occasion. Then I balance it out over the rest of the week.
Willpower can be corrective as well as absolute.
I imagine that would work well for someone who only gained weight because of surgery. But then again so would anything. What works for you won't work for someone who gained weight via their lifestyle.
Not really.
Let's say you are binge eater and that's how you gained weight.
One day, after doing well, you crush two pizzas, a litter of coke and a pint of ice cream for dinner.
That's enough to make someone quit. Because it's easy to feel helpless when you think you've unraveled all your work.
It takes willpower to wake up the next day and get back on the horse.
Well it shouldn't take that much willpower to stay on the horse. Willpower only works when you're motivated. Anyone could probably lose weight in the short term eating by twinkies and donuts while counting calories. But eventually their motivation would wane and the binges would start.
Whereas if you just get used to eating a well balanced healthy diet, and don't keep a lot of junk food lying around then you hardly need willpower. Therefore it's easy not to fall off the wagon in the first place. And if you do it's no big deal, it's also easy to simply resume your usual healthy lifestyle.
Of course if you want to be like Ben Stiller in Dodgeball and continually taunt yourself with junk food then go for it. Do whatever works for you. Just realize that things that require constant willpower don't work well for many of us.
This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
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Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
I think you are trying to find offense where there is none.
I think the conversation is about willpower and what it really means.
And I thought it was very astute to say that willpower can be corrective. We all make mistakes - it's getting up and getting it right the next day that determines success.
I didn't say offended, I said annoyed. Offended means I'm angry and defensive. Annoyed (and its a slight annoyance, trust me) means I mostly ignore them and keep scrolling. I think willpower is a great thing to have. I also think it can be used as a way to not do something (I have no willpower) or a way to beat one's self up over a mistake. People have different triggers, I don't see the harm in identifying those and finding ways to deal with them. Even if it means removing the food. Seriously, why is removing the food bad? I can understand some foods, but its ramen. You have to buy those at the store, you can't eat them in restaurants (at least around here). Just don't buy them if they're that big of a problem, at least until you've gotten used to eating healthier items. Why stress one's self unnecessarily? I'm not talking to you, PRMinx, but the OP. This poster is stating she has a problem, I gave her a few options. Willpower is great, but if she doesn't currently have any then maybe she can use a few other ideas until she builds hers.
Deprivation results in failure, which is why removing all the foods OP is concerned about is going to be a problem, in the long run. OP will be much more successful if she learns to allow herself to eat what she does want to eat, but in manageable portions that fit into her calorie goals, along with the other foods she is eating. She mentions ramen only as one of the foods that she craves. Deprivation is a huge source of stress, so removing the crave foods will be larger source of stress.
^This.
Plus, I'm not the one who fired shots at people, you were. No one here claimed to be perfect, you just prefer to see it that way.
I didn't fire it at YOU so why so defensive about it? I didn't say anyone said they were perfect, I said certain posters have a way of insinuating that they are perfect by having all the right answers, all the time, and taking their own shots at someone who has any kind of issue different from theirs. So what?0 -
Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
I think you are trying to find offense where there is none.
I think the conversation is about willpower and what it really means.
And I thought it was very astute to say that willpower can be corrective. We all make mistakes - it's getting up and getting it right the next day that determines success.
I didn't say offended, I said annoyed. Offended means I'm angry and defensive. Annoyed (and its a slight annoyance, trust me) means I mostly ignore them and keep scrolling. I think willpower is a great thing to have. I also think it can be used as a way to not do something (I have no willpower) or a way to beat one's self up over a mistake. People have different triggers, I don't see the harm in identifying those and finding ways to deal with them. Even if it means removing the food. Seriously, why is removing the food bad? I can understand some foods, but its ramen. You have to buy those at the store, you can't eat them in restaurants (at least around here). Just don't buy them if they're that big of a problem, at least until you've gotten used to eating healthier items. Why stress one's self unnecessarily? I'm not talking to you, PRMinx, but the OP. This poster is stating she has a problem, I gave her a few options. Willpower is great, but if she doesn't currently have any then maybe she can use a few other ideas until she builds hers.
Deprivation results in failure, which is why removing all the foods OP is concerned about is going to be a problem, in the long run. OP will be much more successful if she learns to allow herself to eat what she does want to eat, but in manageable portions that fit into her calorie goals, along with the other foods she is eating. She mentions ramen only as one of the foods that she craves. Deprivation is a huge source of stress, so removing the crave foods will be larger source of stress.
^This.
Plus, I'm not the one who fired shots at people, you were. No one here claimed to be perfect, you just prefer to see it that way.
I didn't fire it at YOU so why so defensive about it? I didn't say anyone said they were perfect, I said certain posters have a way of insinuating that they are perfect by having all the right answers, all the time, and taking their own shots at someone who has any kind of issue different from theirs. So what?
Just, LOL.
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This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
I disagree strongly with that. Once habits are established, they shouldn't take much willpower to maintain. It definitely doesn't take me much willpower to maintain my current habits. If it did, I wouldn't be able to maintain them for very long. And that's why it's important for people like me build habits and a routine that's easy to stick with.
And why the heck would I want to order pizza when my fridge/pantry is loaded with plenty of healthy and tasty foods? Sure, I could still over eat healthy foods too. But it's much less tempting than if I had a bunch of chips sitting out. Why would I want to stop for take out? That takes extra effort! But if for some reason I did, then I'd stop at my local deli and get the exact same turkey wrap that I always get. They know me there. Doesn't take me much effort to get something healthy when I've already called ahead to order it before I arrive. Of course, if you insist on sucking at life you could walk in and then spend 5 minutes agonizing over what to get. Maybe your willpower would hold up, or maybe you'll eventually breakdown and get a huge meatball sub.0 -
Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
I think you are trying to find offense where there is none.
I think the conversation is about willpower and what it really means.
And I thought it was very astute to say that willpower can be corrective. We all make mistakes - it's getting up and getting it right the next day that determines success.
I didn't say offended, I said annoyed. Offended means I'm angry and defensive. Annoyed (and its a slight annoyance, trust me) means I mostly ignore them and keep scrolling. I think willpower is a great thing to have. I also think it can be used as a way to not do something (I have no willpower) or a way to beat one's self up over a mistake. People have different triggers, I don't see the harm in identifying those and finding ways to deal with them. Even if it means removing the food. Seriously, why is removing the food bad? I can understand some foods, but its ramen. You have to buy those at the store, you can't eat them in restaurants (at least around here). Just don't buy them if they're that big of a problem, at least until you've gotten used to eating healthier items. Why stress one's self unnecessarily? I'm not talking to you, PRMinx, but the OP. This poster is stating she has a problem, I gave her a few options. Willpower is great, but if she doesn't currently have any then maybe she can use a few other ideas until she builds hers.
Deprivation results in failure, which is why removing all the foods OP is concerned about is going to be a problem, in the long run. OP will be much more successful if she learns to allow herself to eat what she does want to eat, but in manageable portions that fit into her calorie goals, along with the other foods she is eating. She mentions ramen only as one of the foods that she craves. Deprivation is a huge source of stress, so removing the crave foods will be larger source of stress.
^This.
Plus, I'm not the one who fired shots at people, you were. No one here claimed to be perfect, you just prefer to see it that way.
I didn't fire it at YOU so why so defensive about it? I didn't say anyone said they were perfect, I said certain posters have a way of insinuating that they are perfect by having all the right answers, all the time, and taking their own shots at someone who has any kind of issue different from theirs. So what?
Just, LOL.
Hm. Wasn't PRMinx mentioned by name...?
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You don't need help, you need control. Control is a lot easier when you remove temptation as much as possible. You don't walk into a doughnut shop expecting to get something that isn't loaded with sugar. So you shouldn't expect that you will be able to say no to the ramen when it's right there in the cabinet calling your name.
Take control by planning out, in advance, what you are going to eat during the week. Cusion the blow by allowing yourself a few allowances. Instead of buying the flat of ramen with 48 packs, and only buy 2. Decide what day you want to eat them and then only eat them on that day. The worst you can do is eat both at once, but that isn't going to hurt you unless it's coupled with a number of other bad decisions.
Also have a specific goal that you want to achieve and then have a reward system in place (that isn't food). I have a trip planned in April that I will get to go on if I've met my goals during February and March (January's goal was already met). Each month I have a certain amount of money I earn for meeting my goals, so the better I meet my monthly goals, the more cash I'll have for the trip.
This assumes that Ramen is bad and needs to be avoided. Unless OP has sodium issues, if she likes Ramen, it makes much more sense to work it into her diet than ban it from her house.0 -
All I can add is that this is honestly the first time I've heard of ramen being considered a "pleasure food". Next stop : bagged rice.
Also, habit > willpower, and it's not even remotely close.0 -
All I can add is that this is honestly the first time I've heard of ramen being considered a "pleasure food". Next stop : bagged rice.
Also, habit > willpower, and it's not even remotely close.
That store bought bagged stuff is just salt and cheap little wheat noodles. Real ramen is the shizzle.
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This should break you of any love for Ramen: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/08/04/a-scary-look-at-the-digestion-of-instant-ramen-noodles-inside-your-stomach-a-deadly-ingredient-you-need-to-know-about/0
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Interesting, honestly had no idea. That looks a bit like pho, which is one of my favourite foods. Will have to try / 10All I can add is that this is honestly the first time I've heard of ramen being considered a "pleasure food". Next stop : bagged rice.
Also, habit > willpower, and it's not even remotely close.
That store bought bagged stuff is just salt and cheap little wheat noodles. Real ramen is the shizzle.
As a side note, I never understood why ramen was supposed to be THE poverty food. In $/calories, bagged rice and beans are much cheaper.0 -
Laff.Cave_Goose wrote: »This should break you of any love for Ramen: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/08/04/a-scary-look-at-the-digestion-of-instant-ramen-noodles-inside-your-stomach-a-deadly-ingredient-you-need-to-know-about/
THBQ is an antioxidant.
I thought antioxidants were all the rage in the "eat-moar-vitamin" crowd.
Guess not when they sound scary.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »well if you eat a bunch of fruit and veggies w/o any protein you're going to be hungry. If the ramen and noodles are just sitting there in your pantry of course you'll eventually break down and eat them.
Never rely on will power, it will ALWAYS let you down (in terms of dieting anyway).
Mine hasn't so far.
LOL, if it doesn't then how did you gain weight in the first place?
By being bedridden after surgery for three months and eating more than I should have.
How did you eat more than you should have if your willpower was intact?
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This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
I disagree strongly with that. Once habits are established, they shouldn't take much willpower to maintain. It definitely doesn't take me much willpower to maintain my current habits. If it did, I wouldn't be able to maintain them for very long. And that's why it's important for people like me build habits and a routine that's easy to stick with.
And why the heck would I want to order pizza when my fridge/pantry is loaded with plenty of healthy and tasty foods? Sure, I could still over eat healthy foods too. But it's much less tempting than if I had a bunch of chips sitting out. Why would I want to stop for take out? That takes extra effort! But if for some reason I did, then I'd stop at my local deli and get the exact same turkey wrap that I always get. They know me there. Doesn't take me much effort to get something healthy when I've already called ahead to order it before I arrive. Of course, if you insist on sucking at life you could walk in and then spend 5 minutes agonizing over what to get. Maybe your willpower would hold up, or maybe you'll eventually breakdown and get a huge meatball sub.
Well, I think that about settles that. Nice.
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Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Me too, though I've been doing better lately. It happens. I wish I could be perfect and never give into cravings and get all my exercise and whatever else perfect people do.
I don't think anyone here has claimed to be perfect.
No but some folks seem to have all the right answers. All. The. Time. Its kind of annoying, really.
Some people have been doing it longer. Some people have had success.
Would you rather that the people who give advice on here not have experience?
I don't have a problem with people who have been there done that and had success. Its the ones who post ALL the right answers ALL the time and never seem to be able to listen to what others have to say that bug me. You're right, no one is perfect and I'd rather hear from someone who admits to having moments where they slip up but they still keep going. I try to take tips and tricks from everyone even if its just "I would never do that" but certain posters I just glaze right over. They may be right but they way the present it doesn't interest me. Sorry if that upsets anyone.
I think you are trying to find offense where there is none.
I think the conversation is about willpower and what it really means.
And I thought it was very astute to say that willpower can be corrective. We all make mistakes - it's getting up and getting it right the next day that determines success.
I didn't say offended, I said annoyed. Offended means I'm angry and defensive. Annoyed (and its a slight annoyance, trust me) means I mostly ignore them and keep scrolling. I think willpower is a great thing to have. I also think it can be used as a way to not do something (I have no willpower) or a way to beat one's self up over a mistake. People have different triggers, I don't see the harm in identifying those and finding ways to deal with them. Even if it means removing the food. Seriously, why is removing the food bad? I can understand some foods, but its ramen. You have to buy those at the store, you can't eat them in restaurants (at least around here). Just don't buy them if they're that big of a problem, at least until you've gotten used to eating healthier items. Why stress one's self unnecessarily? I'm not talking to you, PRMinx, but the OP. This poster is stating she has a problem, I gave her a few options. Willpower is great, but if she doesn't currently have any then maybe she can use a few other ideas until she builds hers.
Deprivation results in failure, which is why removing all the foods OP is concerned about is going to be a problem, in the long run. OP will be much more successful if she learns to allow herself to eat what she does want to eat, but in manageable portions that fit into her calorie goals, along with the other foods she is eating. She mentions ramen only as one of the foods that she craves. Deprivation is a huge source of stress, so removing the crave foods will be larger source of stress.
^This.
Plus, I'm not the one who fired shots at people, you were. No one here claimed to be perfect, you just prefer to see it that way.
I didn't fire it at YOU so why so defensive about it? I didn't say anyone said they were perfect, I said certain posters have a way of insinuating that they are perfect by having all the right answers, all the time, and taking their own shots at someone who has any kind of issue different from theirs. So what?
Just, LOL.
Hm. Wasn't PRMinx mentioned by name...?
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This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
I disagree strongly with that. Once habits are established, they shouldn't take much willpower to maintain. It definitely doesn't take me much willpower to maintain my current habits. If it did, I wouldn't be able to maintain them for very long. And that's why it's important for people like me build habits and a routine that's easy to stick with.
And why the heck would I want to order pizza when my fridge/pantry is loaded with plenty of healthy and tasty foods? Sure, I could still over eat healthy foods too. But it's much less tempting than if I had a bunch of chips sitting out. Why would I want to stop for take out? That takes extra effort! But if for some reason I did, then I'd stop at my local deli and get the exact same turkey wrap that I always get. They know me there. Doesn't take me much effort to get something healthy when I've already called ahead to order it before I arrive. Of course, if you insist on sucking at life you could walk in and then spend 5 minutes agonizing over what to get. Maybe your willpower would hold up, or maybe you'll eventually breakdown and get a huge meatball sub.
Well, I think that about settles that. Nice.
Wow. I guess everyone sucks at life except that guy.0 -
This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
I disagree strongly with that. Once habits are established, they shouldn't take much willpower to maintain. It definitely doesn't take me much willpower to maintain my current habits. If it did, I wouldn't be able to maintain them for very long. And that's why it's important for people like me build habits and a routine that's easy to stick with.
And why the heck would I want to order pizza when my fridge/pantry is loaded with plenty of healthy and tasty foods? Sure, I could still over eat healthy foods too. But it's much less tempting than if I had a bunch of chips sitting out. Why would I want to stop for take out? That takes extra effort! But if for some reason I did, then I'd stop at my local deli and get the exact same turkey wrap that I always get. They know me there. Doesn't take me much effort to get something healthy when I've already called ahead to order it before I arrive. Of course, if you insist on sucking at life you could walk in and then spend 5 minutes agonizing over what to get. Maybe your willpower would hold up, or maybe you'll eventually breakdown and get a huge meatball sub.
Well, I think that about settles that. Nice.
Wow. I guess everyone sucks at life except that guy.
Totally. I'm so happy he is here to shed some light on our life choices.0 -
This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
I disagree strongly with that. Once habits are established, they shouldn't take much willpower to maintain. It definitely doesn't take me much willpower to maintain my current habits. If it did, I wouldn't be able to maintain them for very long. And that's why it's important for people like me build habits and a routine that's easy to stick with.
And why the heck would I want to order pizza when my fridge/pantry is loaded with plenty of healthy and tasty foods? Sure, I could still over eat healthy foods too. But it's much less tempting than if I had a bunch of chips sitting out. Why would I want to stop for take out? That takes extra effort! But if for some reason I did, then I'd stop at my local deli and get the exact same turkey wrap that I always get. They know me there. Doesn't take me much effort to get something healthy when I've already called ahead to order it before I arrive. Of course, if you insist on sucking at life you could walk in and then spend 5 minutes agonizing over what to get. Maybe your willpower would hold up, or maybe you'll eventually breakdown and get a huge meatball sub.
Well, I think that about settles that. Nice.
Wow. I guess everyone sucks at life except that guy.
Totally. I'm so happy he is here to shed some light on our life choices.
Well what I should have said is "if you want to make your diet difficult to maintain" but you've been so condescending I figured I'd return the favor.
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This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
I disagree strongly with that. Once habits are established, they shouldn't take much willpower to maintain. It definitely doesn't take me much willpower to maintain my current habits. If it did, I wouldn't be able to maintain them for very long. And that's why it's important for people like me build habits and a routine that's easy to stick with.
And why the heck would I want to order pizza when my fridge/pantry is loaded with plenty of healthy and tasty foods? Sure, I could still over eat healthy foods too. But it's much less tempting than if I had a bunch of chips sitting out. Why would I want to stop for take out? That takes extra effort! But if for some reason I did, then I'd stop at my local deli and get the exact same turkey wrap that I always get. They know me there. Doesn't take me much effort to get something healthy when I've already called ahead to order it before I arrive. Of course, if you insist on sucking at life you could walk in and then spend 5 minutes agonizing over what to get. Maybe your willpower would hold up, or maybe you'll eventually breakdown and get a huge meatball sub.
Well, I think that about settles that. Nice.
Wow. I guess everyone sucks at life except that guy.
Totally. I'm so happy he is here to shed some light on our life choices.
Well what I should have said is "if you want to make your diet difficult to maintain" but you've been so condescending I figured I'd return the favor.
I haven't been condescending in the slightest.
And I most certainly haven't ever told anyone they suck at life for enjoying a meal out.
All I said was that food is not proven to be scientifically addictive in the way that some drugs are. It's a willpower problem (that we all have to conquer in our own way).
I said that willpower is a muscle worth exercising. The goal for everyone should be that someday they can be around all sorts of food without feeling anxious about it - or like they are cheating or failing if they have a treat.
I think it takes willpower to be able to have something you love, like Ramen, and be able to fit it into your macros for the day either by portion size or because you planned around it.
I said willpower is as important when you fall off the wagon (to get back on it) as it is to never fall off. I said that it takes willpower to do all sorts of things, including getting to the gym.
This is not being condescending. This is understanding that treats can be a healthy part of an overall diet and that, if you have a bad day, you can get right back on track the next day.
This is being realistic. No one should have to live in a bubble to "protect" themselves from temptation. If that's what you want to do because you have to, then so be it. But I, personally, don't think that's the only way to achieve success.
I believe you can go out and eat a meatball sub.
I believe you can decide whether or not the meatball sub will fit into your macros that day and, if it does, you have met your goal. If it doesn't, then make it up another day if it's something you want.
Either way, I believe that you can enjoy a meatball sub without guilt.
I especially believe that making a choice to have a meatball sub on occasion does not mean you "suck at life."
If you take offense to this, then it says more about you than it does about me.
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This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
I disagree strongly with that. Once habits are established, they shouldn't take much willpower to maintain. It definitely doesn't take me much willpower to maintain my current habits. If it did, I wouldn't be able to maintain them for very long. And that's why it's important for people like me build habits and a routine that's easy to stick with.
And why the heck would I want to order pizza when my fridge/pantry is loaded with plenty of healthy and tasty foods? Sure, I could still over eat healthy foods too. But it's much less tempting than if I had a bunch of chips sitting out. Why would I want to stop for take out? That takes extra effort! But if for some reason I did, then I'd stop at my local deli and get the exact same turkey wrap that I always get. They know me there. Doesn't take me much effort to get something healthy when I've already called ahead to order it before I arrive. Of course, if you insist on sucking at life you could walk in and then spend 5 minutes agonizing over what to get. Maybe your willpower would hold up, or maybe you'll eventually breakdown and get a huge meatball sub.
Well, I think that about settles that. Nice.
Wow. I guess everyone sucks at life except that guy.
Totally. I'm so happy he is here to shed some light on our life choices.
Well what I should have said is "if you want to make your diet difficult to maintain" but you've been so condescending I figured I'd return the favor.
I haven't been condescending in the slightest.
And I most certainly haven't ever told anyone they suck at life for enjoying a meal out.
All I said was that food is not proven to be scientifically addictive in the way that some drugs are. It's a willpower problem (that we all have to conquer in our own way).
I said that willpower is a muscle worth exercising. The goal for everyone should be that someday they can be around all sorts of food without feeling anxious about it - or like they are cheating or failing if they have a treat.
I think it takes willpower to be able to have something you love, like Ramen, and be able to fit it into your macros for the day either by portion size or because you planned around it.
I said willpower is as important when you fall off the wagon (to get back on it) as it is to never fall off. I said that it takes willpower to do all sorts of things, including getting to the gym.
This is not being condescending. This is understanding that treats can be a healthy part of an overall diet and that, if you have a bad day, you can get right back on track the next day.
This is being realistic. No one should have to live in a bubble to "protect" themselves from temptation. If that's what you want to do because you have to, then so be it. But I, personally, don't think that's the only way to achieve success.
I believe you can go out and eat a meatball sub.
I believe you can decide whether or not the meatball sub will fit into your macros that day and, if it does, you have met your goal. If it doesn't, then make it up another day if it's something you want.
Either way, I believe that you can enjoy a meatball sub without guilt.
I especially believe that making a choice to have a meatball sub on occasion does not mean you "suck at life."
If you take offense to this, then it says more about you than it does about me.
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Beautiful post.This is where we disagree.
I think it takes a world of willpower to stay on the horse consistently - no matter what is in your house. It's not that hard to call for a pizza, or stop for takeout or hit up the bar with your friends. Getting up to go to the gym every day requires a level of motivation that is hard to achieve and maintain over time, even if you love it.
And this is why it's not an us v. them argument. It ALL takes self control and discipline, no matter where you are coming from.
I disagree strongly with that. Once habits are established, they shouldn't take much willpower to maintain. It definitely doesn't take me much willpower to maintain my current habits. If it did, I wouldn't be able to maintain them for very long. And that's why it's important for people like me build habits and a routine that's easy to stick with.
And why the heck would I want to order pizza when my fridge/pantry is loaded with plenty of healthy and tasty foods? Sure, I could still over eat healthy foods too. But it's much less tempting than if I had a bunch of chips sitting out. Why would I want to stop for take out? That takes extra effort! But if for some reason I did, then I'd stop at my local deli and get the exact same turkey wrap that I always get. They know me there. Doesn't take me much effort to get something healthy when I've already called ahead to order it before I arrive. Of course, if you insist on sucking at life you could walk in and then spend 5 minutes agonizing over what to get. Maybe your willpower would hold up, or maybe you'll eventually breakdown and get a huge meatball sub.
Well, I think that about settles that. Nice.
Wow. I guess everyone sucks at life except that guy.
Totally. I'm so happy he is here to shed some light on our life choices.
Well what I should have said is "if you want to make your diet difficult to maintain" but you've been so condescending I figured I'd return the favor.
I haven't been condescending in the slightest.
And I most certainly haven't ever told anyone they suck at life for enjoying a meal out.
All I said was that food is not proven to be scientifically addictive in the way that some drugs are. It's a willpower problem (that we all have to conquer in our own way).
I said that willpower is a muscle worth exercising. The goal for everyone should be that someday they can be around all sorts of food without feeling anxious about it - or like they are cheating or failing if they have a treat.
I think it takes willpower to be able to have something you love, like Ramen, and be able to fit it into your macros for the day either by portion size or because you planned around it.
I said willpower is as important when you fall off the wagon (to get back on it) as it is to never fall off. I said that it takes willpower to do all sorts of things, including getting to the gym.
This is not being condescending. This is understanding that treats can be a healthy part of an overall diet and that, if you have a bad day, you can get right back on track the next day.
This is being realistic. No one should have to live in a bubble to "protect" themselves from temptation. If that's what you want to do because you have to, then so be it. But I, personally, don't think that's the only way to achieve success.
I believe you can go out and eat a meatball sub.
I believe you can decide whether or not the meatball sub will fit into your macros that day and, if it does, you have met your goal. If it doesn't, then make it up another day if it's something you want.
Either way, I believe that you can enjoy a meatball sub without guilt.
I especially believe that making a choice to have a meatball sub on occasion does not mean you "suck at life."
If you take offense to this, then it says more about you than it does about me.
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I don't always agree with you, but when I do, it's because you're right...Having willpower is more about being consistent than being perfect, anyway. It's not really about "giving in" as much as it is about finding ways to have what you want and still keep within your goals. Both are quite possible, and doing that will keep you successful over the long run much better than deprivation will, anyway.herrspoons wrote: »Yes, you probably don't need MFP. You're clearly like ice man with your food intake and will never gain weight again.
Unfortunately mere mortals like myself and the OP occasionally give in to food cravings.
Yes. So do I on occasion. Then I balance it out over the rest of the week.
Willpower can be corrective as well as absolute.
I imagine that would work well for someone who only gained weight because of surgery. But then again so would anything. What works for you won't work for someone who gained weight via their lifestyle.
Not really.
Let's say you are binge eater and that's how you gained weight.
One day, after doing well, you crush two pizzas, a litter of coke and a pint of ice cream for dinner.
That's enough to make someone quit. Because it's easy to feel helpless when you think you've unraveled all your work.
It takes willpower to wake up the next day and get back on the horse.
Well it shouldn't take that much willpower to stay on the horse. Willpower only works when you're motivated. Anyone could probably lose weight in the short term eating by twinkies and donuts while counting calories. But eventually their motivation would wane and the binges would start.
Whereas if you just get used to eating a well balanced healthy diet, and don't keep a lot of junk food lying around then you hardly need willpower. Therefore it's easy not to fall off the wagon in the first place. And if you do it's no big deal, it's also easy to simply resume your usual healthy lifestyle.
Of course if you want to be like Ben Stiller in Dodgeball and continually taunt yourself with junk food then go for it. Do whatever works for you. Just realize that things that require constant willpower don't work well for many of us.
And seriously, HOW DOES SUGGESTING EATING FOODS IN MODERATION ALWAYS END UP "EAT ALL THE TWINKIES"?!?!?!0
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