Kit Kat or pear??

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  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
    oscarsson wrote: »
    Carbs get broken down in the body to sugar. Sugar in the blood=high blood sugar which is toxic. Insulin is released to remove the toxicity. Insulin is a fat storing hormone.

    High blood sugar leads to high insulin leads to enhanced fat storage.

    Completely oversimplified but anyone who says the fat storing results of a calorie are the same regardless of the source is kidding themselves.

    Can you lose weight eating high sugar? Absolutely, as long as CI is less than CO. Should you elimate carbs and sugar altogether? Only if it works for you.

    I have been eating very low carb for a month and to be honest I haven't dropped a kilo (I can't figure this out as the science is fact). I have however dropped a couple of cm and feel generally more fit and fresh so there are other benefits to keeping sugar under control. Bottom line is that if you body burns more than it consumes you lose weight. Finding the equation is the tricky part as everyones metabolisms are different.

    Hope this helps!

    That's not all it does. You can store fat without insulin.
    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
    http://sigmanutrition.com/eat-more-fat-burn-more-fat-myth-magic-or-metabolic-advantage/
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    oscarsson wrote: »
    Carbs get broken down in the body to sugar. Sugar in the blood=high blood sugar which is toxic. Insulin is released to remove the toxicity. Insulin is a fat storing hormone.

    High blood sugar leads to high insulin leads to enhanced fat storage.

    Completely oversimplified but anyone who says the fat storing results of a calorie are the same regardless of the source is kidding themselves.

    Can you lose weight eating high sugar? Absolutely, as long as CI is less than CO. Should you elimate carbs and sugar altogether? Only if it works for you.

    I have been eating very low carb for a month and to be honest I haven't dropped a kilo (I can't figure this out as the science is fact). I have however dropped a couple of cm and feel generally more fit and fresh so there are other benefits to keeping sugar under control. Bottom line is that if you body burns more than it consumes you lose weight. Finding the equation is the tricky part as everyones metabolisms are different.

    Hope this helps!

    protein spikes insulin too...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    NicoleS9 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    NicoleS9 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    NicoleS9 wrote: »
    SJenno91 wrote: »
    hello all, I have been swimming regularly for the last 3 weeks and weining myself off the unhealthy foods. I have now replaced chocolate with fruit completely. My daily goals are 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein. I used to get around that mark easily but since I have started eating the fruit etc my diet seems to have changed massively. I'm now on 70% carbs, 10% fat and 20% protein. I'm not sure if it's good that I have replaced 20% fat with an extra 20% carbs. I do about 50-80 lengths in the pool and do not feel like I burn 70% worth of my carbs and this week I feel bloated and like I've gone backwards in that I feel like my weight has increased! Does anyone know if I should have my diet like it is now or how can I balance it more (what foods help)? Any advice is appreciated because I don't feel like it's working!

    How frustrating!
    I have to say pear because of the fiber! Pears have more fiber than an apple, flavonoids, vit c, potassium, iron, calcium, antioxidants, vit k, folate. There is thought that pears help ward off cancer!
    Kit Kats have, um , wafers? I guess if you're really craving one every once in awhile, go for it, but eat a pear too!!!!

    Pears do not help ward of cancer. The people that think that are wrong.
    You must be on the cutting edge of research! I'll tell the people I know who study this that they are wrong and wasting their time- thank you!
    Regardless, I believe you missed my point about nutritional content. Plus, fiber DOES help lower the risk of colon cancer, so you are the one who is wrong.

    Oh yeah, so can we see thus research that shows pears ward of cancer?

    Oh goodness, yes, of course! Do a little reading or talk to your doctor at your next colonoscopy.

    LOL

    so that means no peer reviewed study ...
  • Delilahhhhhh
    Delilahhhhhh Posts: 477 Member
    Kit Kat and a cup of tea. whilst reading forums on MFP. Perfect.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Kit Kat and a cup of tea. whilst reading forums on MFP. Perfect.

    *like*

    except that would be coffee for me...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    NicoleS9 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    NicoleS9 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    NicoleS9 wrote: »
    SJenno91 wrote: »
    hello all, I have been swimming regularly for the last 3 weeks and weining myself off the unhealthy foods. I have now replaced chocolate with fruit completely. My daily goals are 50% carbs, 30% fat and 20% protein. I used to get around that mark easily but since I have started eating the fruit etc my diet seems to have changed massively. I'm now on 70% carbs, 10% fat and 20% protein. I'm not sure if it's good that I have replaced 20% fat with an extra 20% carbs. I do about 50-80 lengths in the pool and do not feel like I burn 70% worth of my carbs and this week I feel bloated and like I've gone backwards in that I feel like my weight has increased! Does anyone know if I should have my diet like it is now or how can I balance it more (what foods help)? Any advice is appreciated because I don't feel like it's working!

    How frustrating!
    I have to say pear because of the fiber! Pears have more fiber than an apple, flavonoids, vit c, potassium, iron, calcium, antioxidants, vit k, folate. There is thought that pears help ward off cancer!
    Kit Kats have, um , wafers? I guess if you're really craving one every once in awhile, go for it, but eat a pear too!!!!

    Pears do not help ward of cancer. The people that think that are wrong.
    You must be on the cutting edge of research! I'll tell the people I know who study this that they are wrong and wasting their time- thank you!
    Regardless, I believe you missed my point about nutritional content. Plus, fiber DOES help lower the risk of colon cancer, so you are the one who is wrong.

    Oh yeah, so can we see thus research that shows pears ward of cancer?

    Oh goodness, yes, of course! Do a little reading or talk to your doctor at your next colonoscopy.

    So what you are saying is you can't back up what you claim, got it. [/quote]

    Geez, this is an internet forum. Are you wanting me to cut & paste internet articles for regarding nutritional and health benefits of fiber from the internet?
    Even if the studies are NOT true with fiber helping to ward off colon cancer, fiber is good for you. You know that, right? Fiber = good. Pears = good. Pears have fiber, copper, vitamin C, vitamin K, etc. etc.
    I didn't say go eat a vat of kit kats to be cancer free!!! That's extracting one sentence and missing the point, while being unnecessarily argumentative about something not worth arguing on a forum. Eat some pears, man- they might improve your mood.

    1. Nutrition and Healthy Eating- Mayo Clinic
    http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fiber/art-20043983
    "Helps maintain bowel health. A high-fiber diet may lower your risk of developing hemorrhoids and small pouches in your colon (diverticular disease). Some fiber is fermented in the colon. Researchers are looking at how this may play a role in preventing diseases of the colon"

    3. Dietary Fiber and Cancer Prevention
    http://www.webmd.com/diet/fiber-health-benefits-11/fiber-cancer


    4.
    Heath Benefits of Pears: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/285430.php
    Eating one medium pear would provide 12% of daily vitamin C needs, as well as 10% of vitamin K, 6% of potassium and smaller amounts of calcium, iron, magnesium, riboflavin, vitamin B-6 and folate.
    Pears also contain carotenoids, flavonols and anthocyanins (in red-skinned pears).
    Consuming fruits and vegetables of all kinds has long been associated with a reduced risk of many adverse health conditions. Many studies have suggested that increasing consumption of plant foods like pears decreases the risk of obesity, diabetes, heart disease and overall mortality while promoting a healthy complexion, increased energy, and overall lower weight.
    Fiber
    The National Institute of Medicine based their recommendation on a review of the findings from several large studies. They found that diets with 14 grams fiber for every 1000 calories were associated with significant reductions in the risk of both coronary heart disease and type 2 diabetes.

    The easiest way to increase fiber intake is to increase your consumption of fruits and vegetables. Just one medium pear provides 6 grams of fiber, about 24% of the daily need for a woman under 50.

    Treating diverticulosis
    High fiber diets have been shown to decrease the prevalence in flare-ups of diverticulitis by absorbing water in the colon and making bowel movements easier to pass. Eating a healthful, fruit and vegetable and fiber-filled diet can reduce pressure and inflammation in the colon.
    Although the cause of diverticular disease is still unknown, it has been repeatedly associated with a low fiber diet.2
    Weight loss
    Fruits and vegetables that are high in fiber help to keep you feeling full longer and are also low in calories. Increased fiber intakes have been shown to enhance weight loss for obese individuals.
    Cardiovascular disease and cholesterol
    Increased fiber intakes have also been shown to lower blood pressure and cholesterol levels. A review of 67 separate controlled trials found that even a modest 10-gram per day increase in fiber intake reduced LDL and total cholesterol.
    Recent studies have shown that dietary fiber may even play a role in regulating the immune system and inflammation, consequently decreasing the risk of inflammation-related conditions such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, and obesity.
    Diabetes
    A high fiber diet is associated with a lower risk of developing diabetes and keeps blood sugar stable.
    Digestion
    The fiber content in pears prevents constipation and promotes regularity for a healthy digestive tract.
    Detox
    Regular, adequate bowel movements are crucial for the daily excretion toxins through the bile and stool. Pears are approximately 84% water, which help to keep stools soft and flush the digestive system of toxins.
    http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=28
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    so basically it is fiber and not the pears?

    so I can get the same benefit by drinking a glass of my old mans Metamucil each night????
  • brightsideofpink
    brightsideofpink Posts: 1,018 Member
    cityruss wrote: »
    Kit Kat.

    Kit Kat dipped in coffee.

    Or Coffee Crisp?
    Admittedly hard to find if you're not in Canada or near the border, but an excellent choice as well.
  • JasonH_DFW
    JasonH_DFW Posts: 63 Member
    You would think fruit would be good for you but it's not, here's why:
    - glycogen reserves for fructose are tiny (liver) compared to other sugars (muscle glycogen).
    - because of this post exercise you have a greater chance of spillover to fat
    - Fruit often contains the enzymes to break itself down so it's faster digesting than many simple sugars
    - fruit often has very little fiber and is far more acidic than vegetables.
    - in human development fruit was very rare,truly a treat. Remember til a few hundred years ago when sugar because accessible to the masses fruit and honey were the junk food of the times. In fact it's only since the 1920s grains entered our diet and only since 1950s sugar was wide spread.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    oscarsson wrote: »
    Carbs get broken down in the body to sugar. Sugar in the blood=high blood sugar which is toxic. Insulin is released to remove the toxicity. Insulin is a fat storing hormone.

    High blood sugar leads to high insulin leads to enhanced fat storage.

    Completely oversimplified but anyone who says the fat storing results of a calorie are the same regardless of the source is kidding themselves.

    Can you lose weight eating high sugar? Absolutely, as long as CI is less than CO. Should you elimate carbs and sugar altogether? Only if it works for you.

    I have been eating very low carb for a month and to be honest I haven't dropped a kilo (I can't figure this out as the science is fact). I have however dropped a couple of cm and feel generally more fit and fresh so there are other benefits to keeping sugar under control. Bottom line is that if you body burns more than it consumes you lose weight. Finding the equation is the tricky part as everyones metabolisms are different.

    Hope this helps!

    Can you explain further how high blood sugar is toxic? I mean is that like arsnic is toxic after a point?

    And so are you also saying carbs = toxic? because that's kind of what my take away on that is.

    And one final thing- you must not be a fan of building muscle- because- well insulin spikes are part of how you build muscles- and things. So I mean- sure find if you're okay being soft and squishy for forever- go right ahead- but I'll take my toxic blood and rippling muscles.
  • 3laine75
    3laine75 Posts: 3,069 Member
    I'm going to go ahead and say, 10% fat is very bad for you. I'm assuming you're at deficit so there's no way 10% is going to give you the fat you need to maintain optimal brain function, healthy joints and balanced hormones.

    Have the Kit Kat :)
  • 3laine75
    3laine75 Posts: 3,069 Member
    emily_stew wrote: »
    Does this still exist in the U.S. of A?
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    It didn't seem to last very long in Canada (or I just haven't been able to find it), but good lord it was good. Not only was there a layer of peanut butter on top of the wafer, the chocolate itself was infused with PB. Up here it was sold in a green wrapper. I miss it..haha

    We have those (uk) they are amazing!
  • Lasmartchika
    Lasmartchika Posts: 3,440 Member
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  • DawnieB1977
    DawnieB1977 Posts: 4,248 Member
    arditarose wrote: »
    cityruss wrote: »
    Kit Kat.

    Kit Kat dipped in coffee.

    Mmm I love dipping chocolate in my coffee. Though admittedly a dark chocolate over a kit kat.

    You can get dark choc kitkats can't you? I love kitkats. I haven't had one for ages, now I want one!

    I like pears too though.

    If you're eating a lot of fruit, then that'll increase your carbs. It can also make you bloated. I was addicted to fruit salads in early pregnancy and by the evening I looked 6 months pregnant when I was only 10 weeks!
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    KitKat.

    Regular 4 finger, not chunky. Bite off ends, dip in hot tea and suck through like a straw. Remove from tea and shove melty gooey chocolateiness into mouth.

    This is life changing!

    OP, when you switched to fruit your carb percentage greatly increased, which implies that you are eating way more fruit than when you had your chocolate snacks. Is this because you are more hungry?

    If so, try increasing your fat and protein intake, and there are tons of ways of doing this: cheese, yogurt, peanut butter, avocados, etc.

    Also, there's nothing wrong with having a kitkat if you want one and it fits in your daily calories; it's about finding balance.
  • SingRunTing
    SingRunTing Posts: 2,604 Member
    I actually really like both! I love kit kats and pears are one of my favorite fruits, so I wouldn't feel like I'm sacrificing to eat a pear over a kit kat.

    What I would eat depends on my needs that day. If I'm low on fat, I would go for the kit kat. If I'm low on fiber and good on my fats that day, I would eat the pear.

    So its not a one size fits all situations kind of question to me.
  • Daiako
    Daiako Posts: 12,545 Member
    jhitt1975 wrote: »
    You would think fruit would be good for you but it's not, here's why:
    - glycogen reserves for fructose are tiny (liver) compared to other sugars (muscle glycogen).
    - because of this post exercise you have a greater chance of spillover to fat
    - Fruit often contains the enzymes to break itself down so it's faster digesting than many simple sugars
    - fruit often has very little fiber and is far more acidic than vegetables.
    - in human development fruit was very rare,truly a treat. Remember til a few hundred years ago when sugar because accessible to the masses fruit and honey were the junk food of the times. In fact it's only since the 1920s grains entered our diet and only since 1950s sugar was wide spread.

    Cripes. Is nothing good for us anymore?
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  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    just eat the damn snickers and be done with it.
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  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    That is a LOT of carbs. Personally, I'd dial it back and add more protein and fat. Carbs are a great energy source, but protein and fat are also very important.

    To answer your subject line - if the pear is in season and at perfect ripeness, it would win over Kit Kat. If it's not, then I'd take the Kit Kat. There are few things more delicious than a perfectly ripe pear.
  • KarenJanine
    KarenJanine Posts: 3,497 Member
    jhitt1975 wrote: »
    You would think fruit would be good for you but it's not, here's why:
    - glycogen reserves for fructose are tiny (liver) compared to other sugars (muscle glycogen).
    - because of this post exercise you have a greater chance of spillover to fat
    - Fruit often contains the enzymes to break itself down so it's faster digesting than many simple sugars
    - fruit often has very little fiber and is far more acidic than vegetables.
    - in human development fruit was very rare,truly a treat. Remember til a few hundred years ago when sugar because accessible to the masses fruit and honey were the junk food of the times. In fact it's only since the 1920s grains entered our diet and only since 1950s sugar was wide spread.

    Say what?! Grains and sugar have been harvested by humans for 1000s of years.
  • dunnodunno
    dunnodunno Posts: 2,290 Member
    Definitely the Kit Kat.
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
    jhitt1975 wrote: »
    You would think fruit would be good for you but it's not, here's why:
    - glycogen reserves for fructose are tiny (liver) compared to other sugars (muscle glycogen).
    - because of this post exercise you have a greater chance of spillover to fat
    - Fruit often contains the enzymes to break itself down so it's faster digesting than many simple sugars
    - fruit often has very little fiber and is far more acidic than vegetables.
    - in human development fruit was very rare,truly a treat. Remember til a few hundred years ago when sugar because accessible to the masses fruit and honey were the junk food of the times. In fact it's only since the 1920s grains entered our diet and only since 1950s sugar was wide spread.

    Just no..smh. Honey junk food...more like super food
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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    jhitt1975 wrote: »
    You would think fruit would be good for you but it's not, here's why:
    - glycogen reserves for fructose are tiny (liver) compared to other sugars (muscle glycogen).
    - because of this post exercise you have a greater chance of spillover to fat
    - Fruit often contains the enzymes to break itself down so it's faster digesting than many simple sugars
    - fruit often has very little fiber and is far more acidic than vegetables.
    - in human development fruit was very rare,truly a treat. Remember til a few hundred years ago when sugar because accessible to the masses fruit and honey were the junk food of the times. In fact it's only since the 1920s grains entered our diet and only since 1950s sugar was wide spread.

    Say what?! Grains and sugar have been harvested by humans for 1000s of years.

    Creationism history. God didn't invent grains until March 13th, 1922...
  • dunnodunno
    dunnodunno Posts: 2,290 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Daiako wrote: »
    Neither.

    Snickers. Snickers is the answer.

    Or Milky way.

    Or Reese's Whipp's. I haven't had one of those in forever *drools*.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    jhitt1975 wrote: »
    You would think fruit would be good for you but it's not, here's why:
    - glycogen reserves for fructose are tiny (liver) compared to other sugars (muscle glycogen).
    - because of this post exercise you have a greater chance of spillover to fat
    - Fruit often contains the enzymes to break itself down so it's faster digesting than many simple sugars
    - fruit often has very little fiber and is far more acidic than vegetables.
    - in human development fruit was very rare,truly a treat. Remember til a few hundred years ago when sugar because accessible to the masses fruit and honey were the junk food of the times. In fact it's only since the 1920s grains entered our diet and only since 1950s sugar was wide spread.

    really so the ancient romans and greeks did not eat grains?????
  • KarenJanine
    KarenJanine Posts: 3,497 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    jhitt1975 wrote: »
    You would think fruit would be good for you but it's not, here's why:
    - glycogen reserves for fructose are tiny (liver) compared to other sugars (muscle glycogen).
    - because of this post exercise you have a greater chance of spillover to fat
    - Fruit often contains the enzymes to break itself down so it's faster digesting than many simple sugars
    - fruit often has very little fiber and is far more acidic than vegetables.
    - in human development fruit was very rare,truly a treat. Remember til a few hundred years ago when sugar because accessible to the masses fruit and honey were the junk food of the times. In fact it's only since the 1920s grains entered our diet and only since 1950s sugar was wide spread.

    Say what?! Grains and sugar have been harvested by humans for 1000s of years.

    Creationism history. God didn't invent grains until March 13th, 1922...

    I look forward to the 100 year anniversary in 2022. I'll eat all the grains.

  • Need2Exerc1se
    Need2Exerc1se Posts: 13,575 Member
    auddii wrote: »
    jhitt1975 wrote: »
    You would think fruit would be good for you but it's not, here's why:
    - glycogen reserves for fructose are tiny (liver) compared to other sugars (muscle glycogen).
    - because of this post exercise you have a greater chance of spillover to fat
    - Fruit often contains the enzymes to break itself down so it's faster digesting than many simple sugars
    - fruit often has very little fiber and is far more acidic than vegetables.
    - in human development fruit was very rare,truly a treat. Remember til a few hundred years ago when sugar because accessible to the masses fruit and honey were the junk food of the times. In fact it's only since the 1920s grains entered our diet and only since 1950s sugar was wide spread.

    Say what?! Grains and sugar have been harvested by humans for 1000s of years.

    Creationism history. God didn't invent grains until March 13th, 1922...

    Then how did Jesus feed the multitude fish and loaves??
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    edited February 2015
    Yesterday I had a KitKat. It's only 90 calories! A mere blip in the calorie world. Here is what you should do: if you feel like having a KitKat, have a KitKat. If you feel like having a pear, have a pear. In my personal experience fiber and pool don't mix well. They make me bloat and sit like a rock in my stomach depleting my energy. (although my diet is pretty heavy in fiber outside the pool).

    Unfortunately many people ignore mental and emotional balance as an essential part of a balanced diet. If a diet is too hard to stick to, you are likely to fall back into a less stressful diet based on old habits that are detrimental to your desired results.

    The question you should be asking is not "what foods should I eat/remove" but "how do I balance the foods I already love in a way that does not compromise my health and nutrients."

    Unfortunately, no one can answer the latter for you because the answer is very personal. It's the holy grail for anyone who is trying to establish a new life-long perspective regarding food. For me personally, I have adopted the "don't eat it unless you want it" approach. You'll be amazed how much people eat just because something is lying around even if they don't want it or even like it all that much. I usually ask myself if eating something is worth the calories or if I would rather spend them on something else I like more. Sometimes it's worth it, sometimes it's not.

    That said, none of that has any weight in the matter unless you are eating within a deficit. Also remember, weight fluctuations are normal and you are likely to go a couple of weeks without losing every now and then just because of these fluctuations - especially if you are close to your goal weight, in which case the loss is so slow that it can be masked by the slightest fluctuation.
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