Why is it so hard for people to grasp there is no magical solution?
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And maybe there's something about physicians not trusting people.
^^This.
IMHO, a lot of medical professionals get jaded because patients only say what they think they should say, and not the truth, but then get upset when some underlying condition isn't discovered early because of non-disclosure. So medical people question everything several different ways to make sure you're REALLY telling the WHOLE story.
And then there are people who have no common decency and think your business is their business and they're not going to leave you alone until they're 100% convinced, which they will never be. Those people are affectionately referred to as *kitten*-hats.
Great job on your loss, BTW. Now share your pixie dust.
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My endo and GP are awesome because they're just like "keep doin' what you're doing, because it's working and that's awesome!" I'm not losing at some startling pace for my height and weight, and as long as my labs come back better than before then I'll just get a "good job, you're rocking the staying off meds!" and be on my way for another 6 months.0
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Amanda4change wrote: »In my opinion people want to believe that losing weight is hard and complicated or require expensive "fixes" so they have an excuse as to why they can't do it. Either because they just don't want to or they lack the motivation to actually reduce their intake. If they believe that it's simple CICO (eat less and move more) they have to face the fact that the reason they (or others) are overweight is because they choose to be.
This is a really interesting viewpoint, and one I'd never really considered. You may be on to something. At least in some, possibly many, cases.0 -
Eat less, move more and say "abracadabra" before weighing myself.0
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I think it is because so many have had "magic pixie dust" weight loss experiences.
I lost 20 lbs in one week after the birth of each daughter (6lbs 12oz, 8lbs 3oz) without trying.
I lost 2 lbs weight without trying during a 1 week vacation, after working like crazy to lose weight before the vacation.
I lost weight without trying when I started Karate.
I lost weight without trying when I started jogging.
I lost weight without having to know anything about calories when I restricted fat intake to under 30 g/day.
I lost weight (and the ability to stay conscious for more than 20 minutes at a time) without having to log calories following the Wild Rose diet.
I lose weight disproportionate to calorie intake every TOM.
Some people never have to log calories, and stay at a healthy weight.
I know now that long-term sustainable weight loss for me will require a lot of logging, maybe for the rest of my life, but with all the magic feathers of weight loss out there, I can see why people would look for other habits that enhance the journey...0 -
Amanda4change wrote: »In my opinion people want to believe that losing weight is hard and complicated or require expensive "fixes" so they have an excuse as to why they can't do it. Either because they just don't want to or they lack the motivation to actually reduce their intake. If they believe that it's simple CICO (eat less and move more) they have to face the fact that the reason they (or others) are overweight is because they choose to be.
I think there is a lot of truth in this.0 -
Warning: partial rant about MD stupidity as well as a question about the stupidity.
I saw one of my physicians today that I only see every 6 months. She made a huge deal out of the fact that I have lost 60 lbs since she last saw me, even though what I see her for has absolutely nothing to do with weight. So of course she asked what I have been doing. I responded back "eating less, moving more". She responds back, "no really, what are you doing?". Annoyed, I once again say "counting calories, staying in my goal range, using my fitbit and moving more." Apparently that was no an acceptable answer because she continues on asking if I cut carbs, eating low fat, taking diet pills and all the other ridiculous nonsense out there. I finally got so fed up with the moronic suggestions I just said "no. I am eating less, moving more. I can see why you didn't go into nutrition as your speciality. Now can we please finish the appt without mentioning magical pixie dust for weight loss?" Maybe not the nicest way to say it, but it certainly finished the conversation lol. Now I remember why I only see her twice a year lol.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that CICO works? Especially those in medicine?
Oh my goodness, I LOVE it! Sounds like she really didn't understand.
As for there being no magical solution, I beg to differ, so......
Eating less and moving more is the magical solution.
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When people at work started asking me about my weight loss some sounded like they were expecting some weird diet advice/secret.
Like they were disappointed when I said I am eating less, doing more, going to the gym and kick boxing.
Like they wanted me to say I lost 4 kg a week by eating zucchini dipped in glitter with every meal and how that counteracts anything else you eat.
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I lost 4 kg a week by eating zucchini dipped in glitter with every meal and how that counteracts anything else you eat.
Wait... HOLD THE PHONE! You're telling me... I can eat WHATEVER I want, as long as I eat zucchini dipped in glitter, and I will still lose weight?! I had no idea. My mind = blown.
:P
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If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?0
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If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
methinks you are missing the point. Doctor kept pestering her to give her a response besides "I'm monitoring my caloric intake" to explain how she lost weight. One would assume that if she had said "oh I stopped eating cake" or "I go to the gym every day for an hour!" the doctor wouldn't have said anything.
OP has had over 100lbs to lose while on MFP. To lose 60ish lbs in 6 months isn't that unreasonable, although the rate isn't going to be sustainable throughout the entirety of her journey. For now it seems to be sustainable enough.0 -
I get that that's the reaction here, but I don't think that's what the MD was doing. She wasn't trying to figure out OP's "magic" to weight loss. She may have simply been concerned that OP may have been missing out on key nutrients. Certain health conditions may necessitate a different distribution of the macros than the recommendations for an average person, for example. Because the doc was privy to OP's medical history - from the limited discussion here she seems like a specialist OP sees for a specific condition - she knows things we probably don't - and shouldn't, because this is no place to release one's medical records. She may well have been trying to figure out if OP was cutting out something that would help their treatment or adding something that would harm the treatment or condition.If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
methinks you are missing the point. Doctor kept pestering her to give her a response besides "I'm monitoring my caloric intake" to explain how she lost weight. One would assume that if she had said "oh I stopped eating cake" or "I go to the gym every day for an hour!" the doctor wouldn't have said anything.
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Eating less, moving more. This is a fairly typical response, conveniently leaving out the MyFitnessPal app/website tracking and support system that makes it extremely easy for many of us to apply a calorie deficit on a long term basis. Try that complete answer and see if the reaction isn't a bit better understanding, faster. In my case it usually becomes pretty clear to the listeners why this could still be challenging for some: many were not interested in looking at a food label prior to eating. Some were concerned about tracking ethnic food that wouldn't be listed in any database. Others yet didn't want to be faced with the smaller portions they'd have to decide to eat once they learned that the carb portion of their daily lunch was half their day's calorie allotment...0
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I think it's because so many people need or use a method for "eating less". Whether it's calorie counting, low-carb, low-fat, cutting out bread, etc., etc. most people seem to find it easier to have something more specific than "eating less". (I've tried eating less and moving more, and without some sort of plan, it doesn't affect my weight).
We know it's not magic, but it's interesting to know what specifically works for individuals. Eating less could mean cutting portions at mealtimes, or not drinking calories, or any number of things. 60lbs in 6 months is quite fast weight loss too (depending on the person) - I can see why a doctor might be interested in exactly how a patient lost that much so quickly. It's more than a 2lb loss a week, so technically, MFP wouldn't work for it.
I can see why it would be irritating to be questioned about weight when that's not what you're seeing the doctor for, though!0 -
In answer to the question posed in the title: Because they don't want to believe it. If they can believe that there is a magic solution then they can pretend it's not their own fault they got that way in the first place and they can pretend that it's not their own fault they are staying that way. Believing in CICO requires taking responsibility for yourself.
Why those in the medical field have such a hard time with it? Well, my completely jaded, cynical, and entirely personal opinion (no basis in fact… entirely my own opinion) is that scientifically, they have to know that it works, but if they were to share it with us… or even acknowledge that our efforts are right on the money, they would lose business. So many people go to their doctors not because of an illness, but because they want to lose weight. Lots of money to be made in the weight loss business.0 -
I have had a doctor question me closely about rapid weight loss (years ago) simply because of what it could have indicated medically. I had been trying unsuccessfully to lose weight for a long time but then, between one visit and the next, I had begun to actually lose a significant amount. She wondered whether is was me finally finding the right way to go about it, or whether it was some illness that was the true cause.
Edited to add: I did end up with gallstones so maybe she was right to be concerned.0 -
Eating less, moving more. This is a fairly typical response, conveniently leaving out the MyFitnessPal app/website tracking and support system that makes it extremely easy for many of us to apply a calorie deficit on a long term basis. Try that complete answer and see if the reaction isn't a bit better understanding, faster.
LOL, I print out my 90 day MFP reports for my calories, net calories, carbs (I'm diabetic), and weight loss and take them in to my appointments along with my Excel spreadsheet of daily BG readings. The first thing she asks when she walks in the door is "OK, where are those cool reports".
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Warning: partial rant about MD stupidity as well as a question about the stupidity.
"no. I am eating less, moving more. I can see why you didn't go into nutrition as your speciality. Now can we please finish the appt without mentioning magical pixie dust for weight loss?" Maybe not the nicest way to say it, but it certainly finished the conversation lol. Now I remember why I only see her twice a year lol.
Why is it so hard for people to believe that CICO works? Especially those in medicine?
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If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
It would help to read replies before responding. And my calorie goals were set by my PCP. Also- just because one has MD after their name does not mean they are never wrong. As we typically joke in EMS that the "physician who identifies themselves on scene" is typically a random specialist (like podiatrist or OB/gyn) and completely useless in an emergency.
I get that that's the reaction here, but I don't think that's what the MD was doing. She wasn't trying to figure out OP's "magic" to weight loss. She may have simply been concerned that OP may have been missing out on key nutrients. Certain health conditions may necessitate a different distribution of the macros than the recommendations for an average person, for example. Because the doc was privy to OP's medical history - from the limited discussion here she seems like a specialist OP sees for a specific condition - she knows things we probably don't - and shouldn't, because this is no place to release one's medical records. She may well have been trying to figure out if OP was cutting out something that would help their treatment or adding something that would harm the treatment or condition.If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
methinks you are missing the point. Doctor kept pestering her to give her a response besides "I'm monitoring my caloric intake" to explain how she lost weight. One would assume that if she had said "oh I stopped eating cake" or "I go to the gym every day for an hour!" the doctor wouldn't have said anything.
Uh yes she was trying to ask about said magic. She was expected some weird fad to be the answer and not CICO. I am glad that you seem to be able to read this MDs mind when you were er in the room though. Great job on mastering telepathy. And I clearly said on page one she is a Psychiatrist. I see her twice a year (two times two many for me) for medication review.
Just because someone is a doctor does not mean they are never wrong.0 -
I think it is because people tend to be lazy and want a quick fix. It really doesn't need to be hard it just takes a little effort and consistency. I am never going back to my 100lbs heavier.0
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When someone posts that she had to repeat herself several times regarding how she lost weight to an MD, and you say it's all about" "the reaction here," then it seems to me you are indeed missing the point. Elphie said that this particular doctor had nothing to do with weight loss, therefore it's clear the doctor was asking out of general interest. In fact, the original post is very clear.
I get that that's the reaction here, but I don't think that's what the MD was doing. She wasn't trying to figure out OP's "magic" to weight loss. She may have simply been concerned that OP may have been missing out on key nutrients. Certain health conditions may necessitate a different distribution of the macros than the recommendations for an average person, for example. Because the doc was privy to OP's medical history - from the limited discussion here she seems like a specialist OP sees for a specific condition - she knows things we probably don't - and shouldn't, because this is no place to release one's medical records. She may well have been trying to figure out if OP was cutting out something that would help their treatment or adding something that would harm the treatment or condition.If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
methinks you are missing the point. Doctor kept pestering her to give her a response besides "I'm monitoring my caloric intake" to explain how she lost weight. One would assume that if she had said "oh I stopped eating cake" or "I go to the gym every day for an hour!" the doctor wouldn't have said anything.
None us of like to repeat themselves, and it seems much worse that a doctor couldn't accept her answer, Many people, including medical personnel, think you have to restrict actual food type to lose weight.
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When someone posts that she had to repeat herself several times regarding how she lost weight to an MD, and you say it's all about" "the reaction here," then it seems to me you are indeed missing the point. Elphie said that this particular doctor had nothing to do with weight loss, therefore it's clear the doctor was asking out of general interest. In fact, the original post is very clear.
I get that that's the reaction here, but I don't think that's what the MD was doing. She wasn't trying to figure out OP's "magic" to weight loss. She may have simply been concerned that OP may have been missing out on key nutrients. Certain health conditions may necessitate a different distribution of the macros than the recommendations for an average person, for example. Because the doc was privy to OP's medical history - from the limited discussion here she seems like a specialist OP sees for a specific condition - she knows things we probably don't - and shouldn't, because this is no place to release one's medical records. She may well have been trying to figure out if OP was cutting out something that would help their treatment or adding something that would harm the treatment or condition.If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
methinks you are missing the point. Doctor kept pestering her to give her a response besides "I'm monitoring my caloric intake" to explain how she lost weight. One would assume that if she had said "oh I stopped eating cake" or "I go to the gym every day for an hour!" the doctor wouldn't have said anything.
None us of like to repeat themselves, and it seems much worse that a doctor couldn't accept her answer, Many people, including medical personnel, think you have to restrict actual food type to lose weight.
Thank you! I thought it was rather clear.0 -
Eating less, moving more. This is a fairly typical response, conveniently leaving out the MyFitnessPal app/website tracking and support system that makes it extremely easy for many of us to apply a calorie deficit on a long term basis. Try that complete answer and see if the reaction isn't a bit better understanding, faster. In my case it usually becomes pretty clear to the listeners why this could still be challenging for some: many were not interested in looking at a food label prior to eating. Some were concerned about tracking ethnic food that wouldn't be listed in any database. Others yet didn't want to be faced with the smaller portions they'd have to decide to eat once they learned that the carb portion of their daily lunch was half their day's calorie allotment...
I have told some people about using the app to track calories and exercise. So far, the reaction has been that they think it's cool.0 -
And just because a patient doesn't like a physician does not give the patient some special medical knowledge.If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
It would help to read replies before responding. And my calorie goals were set by my PCP. Also- just because one has MD after their name does not mean they are never wrong. As we typically joke in EMS that the "physician who identifies themselves on scene" is typically a random specialist (like podiatrist or OB/gyn) and completely useless in an emergency.
I get that that's the reaction here, but I don't think that's what the MD was doing. She wasn't trying to figure out OP's "magic" to weight loss. She may have simply been concerned that OP may have been missing out on key nutrients. Certain health conditions may necessitate a different distribution of the macros than the recommendations for an average person, for example. Because the doc was privy to OP's medical history - from the limited discussion here she seems like a specialist OP sees for a specific condition - she knows things we probably don't - and shouldn't, because this is no place to release one's medical records. She may well have been trying to figure out if OP was cutting out something that would help their treatment or adding something that would harm the treatment or condition.If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
methinks you are missing the point. Doctor kept pestering her to give her a response besides "I'm monitoring my caloric intake" to explain how she lost weight. One would assume that if she had said "oh I stopped eating cake" or "I go to the gym every day for an hour!" the doctor wouldn't have said anything.
Uh yes she was trying to ask about said magic. She was expected some weird fad to be the answer and not CICO. I am glad that you seem to be able to read this MDs mind when you were er in the room though. Great job on mastering telepathy. And I clearly said on page one she is a Psychiatrist. I see her twice a year (two times two many for me) for medication review.
Just because someone is a doctor does not mean they are never wrong.
If you are going to go around lecturing people that they should read before they reply, you should do the same. Not once have I said that just because they are an MD means that they are never wrong. I said generally speaking, there's a reason someone has an MD after their name, and when they express concern, it's not to be dismissed out of hand. You also hadn't mentioned before that you are seeing someone you consider equivalent of an ambulance chaser, nor had you mentioned that you spoke to your PCP to set your goals. So when I asked if you considered getting a second opinion, the answer could have simply been a 'yes' rather all this umbrage.
Lastly, why is it okay for everyone who agrees with you to read the MD's mind but not me? Seems to me that is exactly what you are doing, as well. Is it your contention that just being in the room with her qualifies you to read her mind? I am not, incidentally, reading her mind. I have suggested possibilities as to why she may have been concerned. If she were concerned that you may have been on a fad diet even though you weren't, that too doesn't speak to her incompetence. You yourself stated in no uncertain terms that you made no attempt to explain to her your actual diet/changes in habits, dismissing it as none of her business. But we're supposed to somehow think that SHE should have somehow known you were doing it right.0 -
And just because a patient doesn't like a physician does not give the patient some special medical knowledge.If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
It would help to read replies before responding. And my calorie goals were set by my PCP. Also- just because one has MD after their name does not mean they are never wrong. As we typically joke in EMS that the "physician who identifies themselves on scene" is typically a random specialist (like podiatrist or OB/gyn) and completely useless in an emergency.
I get that that's the reaction here, but I don't think that's what the MD was doing. She wasn't trying to figure out OP's "magic" to weight loss. She may have simply been concerned that OP may have been missing out on key nutrients. Certain health conditions may necessitate a different distribution of the macros than the recommendations for an average person, for example. Because the doc was privy to OP's medical history - from the limited discussion here she seems like a specialist OP sees for a specific condition - she knows things we probably don't - and shouldn't, because this is no place to release one's medical records. She may well have been trying to figure out if OP was cutting out something that would help their treatment or adding something that would harm the treatment or condition.If they are an MD and you are not, let's just say it stands to reason they know more about the human body than you do. And you HAVE lost weight pretty fast. 10 lbs a month average is nothing to sneeze at and if a doctor who you have history with is concerned, I would at least get a second opinion. You may not see her for anything related to your weight (incidentally, what DO you see her for?), but that doesn't mean she didn't go through med school. Did you at least speak with your primary physician to see if you are in fact losing weight too fast for your body and history?
methinks you are missing the point. Doctor kept pestering her to give her a response besides "I'm monitoring my caloric intake" to explain how she lost weight. One would assume that if she had said "oh I stopped eating cake" or "I go to the gym every day for an hour!" the doctor wouldn't have said anything.
Uh yes she was trying to ask about said magic. She was expected some weird fad to be the answer and not CICO. I am glad that you seem to be able to read this MDs mind when you were er in the room though. Great job on mastering telepathy. And I clearly said on page one she is a Psychiatrist. I see her twice a year (two times two many for me) for medication review.
Just because someone is a doctor does not mean they are never wrong.
If you are going to go around lecturing people that they should read before they reply, you should do the same. Not once have I said that just because they are an MD means that they are never wrong. I said generally speaking, there's a reason someone has an MD after their name, and when they express concern, it's not to be dismissed out of hand. You also hadn't mentioned before that you are seeing someone you consider equivalent of an ambulance chaser, nor had you mentioned that you spoke to your PCP to set your goals. So when I asked if you considered getting a second opinion, the answer could have simply been a 'yes' rather all this umbrage.
Lastly, why is it okay for everyone who agrees with you to read the MD's mind but not me? Seems to me that is exactly what you are doing, as well. Is it your contention that just being in the room with her qualifies you to read her mind? I am not, incidentally, reading her mind. I have suggested possibilities as to why she may have been concerned. If she were concerned that you may have been on a fad diet even though you weren't, that too doesn't speak to her incompetence. You yourself stated in no uncertain terms that you made no attempt to explain to her your actual diet/changes in habits, dismissing it as none of her business. But we're supposed to somehow think that SHE should have somehow known you were doing it right.
Ambulance chaser? Lol. Yeah it even going to bother anymore.0 -
Eating less, moving more. This is a fairly typical response, conveniently leaving out the MyFitnessPal app/website tracking and support system that makes it extremely easy for many of us to apply a calorie deficit on a long term basis. Try that complete answer and see if the reaction isn't a bit better understanding, faster. In my case it usually becomes pretty clear to the listeners why this could still be challenging for some: many were not interested in looking at a food label prior to eating. Some were concerned about tracking ethnic food that wouldn't be listed in any database. Others yet didn't want to be faced with the smaller portions they'd have to decide to eat once they learned that the carb portion of their daily lunch was half their day's calorie allotment...
I have told some people about using the app to track calories and exercise. So far, the reaction has been that they think it's cool.
I have had trouble convincing people that MFP is not a "diet", it is just a tool to help track whatever way you choose to eat. One of the cashiers at my grocery was asking me about my weight loss and I was explaining MFP to her. She was going to check it out. A week later I asked her if she looked into it and she said "my doctor told me I should be trying the Mediterranean diet, but I'll check out yours too". I once again told her that it is a tool to use along with the Mediterranean (or whatever) food plan but she is convinced MFP is an actual diet.
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Wow. How annoying.0
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because weight loss is supposed to be hard work that involves complex formulas, restricting all "bad" foods, and taking magical fat burning supplements, all while torturing ones self...0
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