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Simply put, if you want to gain weight, eat more. If you don't gain by eating more then eat even more.
As far as what you eat, eat what you like, making sure you hit your basic macros. Extra calories remaining can be carbs, proteins, fats, or any combination thereof. Have fun and enjoy!!
Before workouts (lifting, biking, running) I like to eat a banana, a cliff bar, or even a snicker's bar.0 -
Okay, well thanks to Grant for his input and I appreciate everyones comments/concerns regarding his statements, but I am no further forward in understanding what I should be doing. Any advice?
ignore what grant says.
eat enough food to get into a surplus
you can eat ANY kind of food that you like. Just make sure that you hit your calorie/micro/macro goal for the day.
keep lifting heavy
do all this until you get to desired results.0 -
grantevans11 wrote: »I think that's exactly the point, the OP was asking for foods they can eat during the day to make good gains, which I think I've answered. Veg, fish rice, nuts etc. YES, burgers, chips, beer etc. NO.
I'm not interested in your philosophies or what you eat. I'm trying to help the OP to make the gains that I have, using the methods that have worked for me and I would expect to work for someone of a similar height, weight and build.
you still never answered the question. What are the "right" foods that help you keep fat out of the wrong areas? I would like to know this so that I can eat said foods and not gain fat in certain areas….
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grantevans11 wrote: »Grant I get where you are coming from, once at the gym I won't necessarily get the big gut etc that I would otherwise get just trying to put in weight with no excercise.
I don't know what my current body fat is I'm afraid. Just trying to get an idea of what to eat and also what is good to eat before gym and how long before so not only will I build, have the energy but also not just carry on losing weight!
Good to see someone can keep up and not just use this site to attack other members.
To avoid gaining a gut and excess fat try steering away from saturated fat, and avoid empty calories like beer and vodka.
LOL there you go again ….0 -
grantevans11 wrote: »I think that's exactly the point, the OP was asking for foods they can eat during the day to make good gains, which I think I've answered. Veg, fish rice, nuts etc. YES, burgers, chips, beer etc. NO.
I'm not interested in your philosophies or what you eat. I'm trying to help the OP to make the gains that I have, using the methods that have worked for me and I would expect to work for someone of a similar height, weight and build.
you still never answered the question. What are the "right" foods that help you keep fat out of the wrong areas? I would like to know this so that I can eat said foods and not gain fat in certain areas….
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I don't understand why you can't appreciate that you're way isn't the only way to bulk. Eating your way, whatever you want so long as it hits your calories will work, but will likely result in a lot of unnecessary fat, that is going to be harder to lose than it is easy to avoid.
Stop saying so long as it hits your calories and macros it's fine, everyone knows you need to meet your calories and macros, but how you choose to meet them will affect your gains now and will affect your general health in the future. There are loads of articles on the web to support this, you can't just fill your calories eith crap.
Have a read of the article below, I emphasise point 3 made;
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/workouts/workout-tips/add-muscle-subtract-fat-clean-bulk-works?page=2&cc=GB
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grantevans11 wrote: »grantevans11 wrote: »I think that's exactly the point, the OP was asking for foods they can eat during the day to make good gains, which I think I've answered. Veg, fish rice, nuts etc. YES, burgers, chips, beer etc. NO.
I'm not interested in your philosophies or what you eat. I'm trying to help the OP to make the gains that I have, using the methods that have worked for me and I would expect to work for someone of a similar height, weight and build.
you still never answered the question. What are the "right" foods that help you keep fat out of the wrong areas? I would like to know this so that I can eat said foods and not gain fat in certain areas….
That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I don't understand why you can't appreciate that you're way isn't the only way to bulk. Eating your way, whatever you want so long as it hits your calories will work, but will likely result in a lot of unnecessary fat, that is going to be harder to lose than it is easy to avoid.
Stop saying so long as it hits your calories and macros it's fine, everyone knows you need to meet your calories and macros, but how you choose to meet them will affect your gains now and will affect your general health in the future. There are loads of articles on the web to support this, you can't just fill your calories eith crap.
Have a read of the article below, I emphasise point 3 made;
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/workouts/workout-tips/add-muscle-subtract-fat-clean-bulk-works?page=2&cc=GB
there you go again …you should change your name to "king strawman" ..No one is adocating a diet composed of 100% 'crap'
and yes, you did say that..here is the direct quote:
"When you start going to the gym, if you're eating the right foods you won't gain as much fat in the places you don't want."
so for the hundredth time, please tell me what foods will prevent fat from going to my stomach? Because I don't want to gain fat in my stomach area the next time I bulk..
if you hit your calories and macros then your diet is fine, so why would I stop saying that?
if person X eats ice cream, bagels, chicken, rice, vegetables and hits their calories and macros and person Y eats chicken, fish, rice, no ice cream or cookies, and hits their calories and macros…will person Y's bulk be superior to person X's?
sorry but "articles on the internet" does not cut it. Find me a peer review study that backs up your claim and we can talk …
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Ndj- I never said I didn't say that, what've said is that is not what I meant, which I think you know.
If you meet your calories and macros it is fine, but it's not the optimal way to bulk. If you took the time to read that article you'd see why, which by the way is based on information from Nate Miyacki, a well known fitness author and coach.
The question you've asked me with your two ice cream examples, I'm not going to answer. I've never said the diet needs to be 100% clean because that would be pretty difficult. I agree you need to meet your calories and macros, which I've said in the past, but again we come back to the point where I've said it does matter what you fill those calories with. The argument is, you are saying fill calories with whatever you want, so long as it meets your macros and calorie goal. My argument is that their are foods you have suggest in previous posts that should be avoided.
MrM - ive never said the diet needs to be 100% clean, I don't know why you keep saying that. Therefore I won't explain the science behind it because that doesn't relate to anything I've said.
You've said I've never done anything so shouldn't advise people. First of all, how do you know what I've done and achieved? Secondly, last year I gained 22lbs and my body fat increased by 0.8%, tel me your method has better results than that?
I think that also answers your next argument. But also, you've said your not telling people to eat s bunch of crap, that is your argument against me, so what are you talking about? Your whole argument was for people to eat whatever they want within their calories and macro goals and they'll be fine. My argument was that is not the best way to do it.
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grantevans11 wrote: »Ndj- I never said I didn't say that, what've said is that is not what I meant, which I think you know.
If you meet your calories and macros it is fine, but it's not the optimal way to bulk. If you took the time to read that article you'd see why, which by the way is based on information from Nate Miyacki, a well known fitness author and coach.
The question you've asked me with your two ice cream examples, I'm not going to answer. I've never said the diet needs to be 100% clean because that would be pretty difficult. I agree you need to meet your calories and macros, which I've said in the past, but again we come back to the point where I've said it does matter what you fill those calories with. The argument is, you are saying fill calories with whatever you want, so long as it meets your macros and calorie goal. My argument is that their are foods you have suggest in previous posts that should be avoided.
MrM - ive never said the diet needs to be 100% clean, I don't know why you keep saying that. Therefore I won't explain the science behind it because that doesn't relate to anything I've said.
You've said I've never done anything so shouldn't advise people. First of all, how do you know what I've done and achieved? Secondly, last year I gained 22lbs and my body fat increased by 0.8%, tel me your method has better results than that?
I think that also answers your next argument. But also, you've said your not telling people to eat s bunch of crap, that is your argument against me, so what are you talking about? Your whole argument was for people to eat whatever they want within their calories and macro goals and they'll be fine. My argument was that is not the best way to do it.
Any more questions or irrelevant comments?
so you stated something that is no accurate then, right?
you are not going to answer my question because the answer will invalidate what you have been posting. The answer is if they both eat in a surplus and both hit macro/micro targets they will both gain about the same mass.
So you are saying that ice cream should be avoided during a bulk? Ok, then please explain why.
You say that you are not advocating eating 100% clean, but then at the same time you are saying there are foods that should be avoided. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
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grantevans11 wrote: »Ndj- I never said I didn't say that, what've said is that is not what I meant, which I think you know.
If you meet your calories and macros it is fine, but it's not the optimal way to bulk. If you took the time to read that article you'd see why, which by the way is based on information from Nate Miyacki, a well known fitness author and coach, which is s lot more reliable than some angry forum trolls.
The question you've asked me with your two ice cream examples, I'm not going to answer. I've never said the diet needs to be 100% clean because that would be pretty difficult. I agree you need to meet your calories and macros, which I've said in the past, but again we come back to the point where I've said it does matter what you fill those calories with. The argument is, you are saying fill calories with whatever you want, so long as it meets your macros and calorie goal. My argument is that their are foods you have suggest in previous posts that should be avoided.
MrM - ive never said the diet needs to be 100% clean, I don't know why you keep saying that. Therefore I won't explain the science behind it because that doesn't relate to anything I've said.
You've said I've never done anything so shouldn't advise people. First of all, how do you know what I've done and achieved? Secondly, last year I gained 22lbs and my body fat increased by 0.8%, tel me your method has better results than that?
I think that also answers your next argument. But also, you've said your not telling people to eat s bunch of crap, that is your argument against me, so what are you talking about? Your whole argument was for people to eat whatever they want within their calories and macro goals and they'll be fine. My argument was that is not the best way to do it.
Any more questions or irrelevant comments?
so you stated something that is no accurate then, right?
you are not going to answer my question because the answer will invalidate what you have been posting. The answer is if they both eat in a surplus and both hit macro/micro targets they will both gain about the same mass.
So you are saying that ice cream should be avoided during a bulk? Ok, then please explain why.
You say that you are not advocating eating 100% clean, but then at the same time you are saying there are foods that should be avoided. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
I said something which didn't come out the way it was meant. The OP understood that, and understood what I meant, which was who the comment was intended for.
I don't know how from what I said you came to the conclusion that I am saying ice cream should be avoided in the bulk. That is not what I said nor what I intended to say/imply.
You absolutely can have it both ways. You can eat 'dirty' foods in moderation few and far between, but you cannot eat whatever you want like your implying.0 -
grantevans11 wrote: »grantevans11 wrote: »Ndj- I never said I didn't say that, what've said is that is not what I meant, which I think you know.
If you meet your calories and macros it is fine, but it's not the optimal way to bulk. If you took the time to read that article you'd see why, which by the way is based on information from Nate Miyacki, a well known fitness author and coach, which is s lot more reliable than some angry forum trolls.
The question you've asked me with your two ice cream examples, I'm not going to answer. I've never said the diet needs to be 100% clean because that would be pretty difficult. I agree you need to meet your calories and macros, which I've said in the past, but again we come back to the point where I've said it does matter what you fill those calories with. The argument is, you are saying fill calories with whatever you want, so long as it meets your macros and calorie goal. My argument is that their are foods you have suggest in previous posts that should be avoided.
MrM - ive never said the diet needs to be 100% clean, I don't know why you keep saying that. Therefore I won't explain the science behind it because that doesn't relate to anything I've said.
You've said I've never done anything so shouldn't advise people. First of all, how do you know what I've done and achieved? Secondly, last year I gained 22lbs and my body fat increased by 0.8%, tel me your method has better results than that?
I think that also answers your next argument. But also, you've said your not telling people to eat s bunch of crap, that is your argument against me, so what are you talking about? Your whole argument was for people to eat whatever they want within their calories and macro goals and they'll be fine. My argument was that is not the best way to do it.
Any more questions or irrelevant comments?
so you stated something that is no accurate then, right?
you are not going to answer my question because the answer will invalidate what you have been posting. The answer is if they both eat in a surplus and both hit macro/micro targets they will both gain about the same mass.
So you are saying that ice cream should be avoided during a bulk? Ok, then please explain why.
You say that you are not advocating eating 100% clean, but then at the same time you are saying there are foods that should be avoided. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
I said something which didn't come out the way it was meant. The OP understood that, and understood what I meant, which was who the comment was intended for.
I don't know how from what I said you came to the conclusion that I am saying ice cream should be avoided in the bulk. That is not what I said nor what I intended to say/imply.
You absolutely can have it both ways. You can eat 'dirty' foods in moderation few and far between, but you cannot eat whatever you want like your implying.
well ice cream is one of the foods I suggest that OP eat and you said you don't agree with some of the foods I suggested…
so lets start over then ..
what foods should be avoided?
bagels, cookies, pasta, rice…? < don't feel the need to select from that list, but just give me something I said to eat that should be avoided...
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Ndj - From that list, only cookies, unless you can find some with zero sugar which I don't think anybody wants to eat, but you've said in previous threads, that people can eat whatever they want within their calories and macros.0
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grantevans11 wrote: »Ndj - From that list, only cookies, unless you can find some with zero sugar which I don't think anybody wants to eat, but you've said in previous threads, that people can eat whatever they want within their calories and macros.
so cookies no, but ice cream yes….?
you realize they both have sugar, right?
so why are cookies out?
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grantevans11 wrote: »Ndj- I never said I didn't say that, what've said is that is not what I meant, which I think you know.
If you meet your calories and macros it is fine, but it's not the optimal way to bulk. If you took the time to read that article you'd see why, which by the way is based on information from Nate Miyacki, a well known fitness author and coach.
The question you've asked me with your two ice cream examples, I'm not going to answer. I've never said the diet needs to be 100% clean because that would be pretty difficult. I agree you need to meet your calories and macros, which I've said in the past, but again we come back to the point where I've said it does matter what you fill those calories with. The argument is, you are saying fill calories with whatever you want, so long as it meets your macros and calorie goal. My argument is that their are foods you have suggest in previous posts that should be avoided.
MrM - ive never said the diet needs to be 100% clean, I don't know why you keep saying that. Therefore I won't explain the science behind it because that doesn't relate to anything I've said.
You've said I've never done anything so shouldn't advise people. First of all, how do you know what I've done and achieved? Secondly, last year I gained 22lbs and my body fat increased by 0.8%, tel me your method has better results than that?
I think that also answers your next argument. But also, you've said your not telling people to eat s bunch of crap, that is your argument against me, so what are you talking about? Your whole argument was for people to eat whatever they want within their calories and macro goals and they'll be fine. My argument was that is not the best way to do it.
Any more questions or irrelevant comments?
You are claiming to have gained 22 lbs on 1 bulk last year and gained less than 1% bf? Let's see the before and after pictures.
You keep claiming people are saying to fill their diets with crap. No one is saying to do that. You keep claiming certain foods will make you gain fat just based on what those foods are not even considering the size of the surplus, but you can't even explain why. You keep avoiding that question.
MrM - I don't have before and after pictures because I never though I'd have to prove myself to people over the Internet.
I'm pretty tired of going over the same things, if you actually read what I was saying and had a think about it you might understand. Your telling people to eat whatever they want within their calorie and macro goals (not fill their diets with crap) which is what I disagree with. I haven't said anything about the size of the surplus, because that is not my argument. But a surplus of say rice and chicken, or pasta and lean mince, is always going to be better than whatever you want, which is likely to consist of fries, sausages, any fast food really, sugary cereals etc. Why you ask? Slow digesting carbs, fiber, antioxidants, insulin levels to name a few. They all effect your gains now and your health in the future, if you want me to go into further details to educate you on this please let me know.
Ndj - maybe you shouldn't eat ice cream then, our ice cream in the UK isn't as packed with sugar.
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^^ this is silly! my surplus mainly consists of a snicker. If I've already hit my protein and fat (and micros) then why would I force down 250 worth of chicken and brocolli?
Also, if I go over my planned surplus, with said chicken and brocolli, that is still going to result in fat gain.0 -
grantevans11 wrote: »grantevans11 wrote: »Ndj- I never said I didn't say that, what've said is that is not what I meant, which I think you know.
If you meet your calories and macros it is fine, but it's not the optimal way to bulk. If you took the time to read that article you'd see why, which by the way is based on information from Nate Miyacki, a well known fitness author and coach.
The question you've asked me with your two ice cream examples, I'm not going to answer. I've never said the diet needs to be 100% clean because that would be pretty difficult. I agree you need to meet your calories and macros, which I've said in the past, but again we come back to the point where I've said it does matter what you fill those calories with. The argument is, you are saying fill calories with whatever you want, so long as it meets your macros and calorie goal. My argument is that their are foods you have suggest in previous posts that should be avoided.
MrM - ive never said the diet needs to be 100% clean, I don't know why you keep saying that. Therefore I won't explain the science behind it because that doesn't relate to anything I've said.
You've said I've never done anything so shouldn't advise people. First of all, how do you know what I've done and achieved? Secondly, last year I gained 22lbs and my body fat increased by 0.8%, tel me your method has better results than that?
I think that also answers your next argument. But also, you've said your not telling people to eat s bunch of crap, that is your argument against me, so what are you talking about? Your whole argument was for people to eat whatever they want within their calories and macro goals and they'll be fine. My argument was that is not the best way to do it.
Any more questions or irrelevant comments?
You are claiming to have gained 22 lbs on 1 bulk last year and gained less than 1% bf? Let's see the before and after pictures.
You keep claiming people are saying to fill their diets with crap. No one is saying to do that. You keep claiming certain foods will make you gain fat just based on what those foods are not even considering the size of the surplus, but you can't even explain why. You keep avoiding that question.
MrM - I don't have before and after pictures because I never though I'd have to prove myself to people over the Internet.
I'm pretty tired of going over the same things, if you actually read what I was saying and had a think about it you might understand. Your telling people to eat whatever they want within their calorie and macro goals (not fill their diets with crap) which is what I disagree with. I haven't said anything about the size of the surplus, because that is not my argument. But a surplus of say rice and chicken, or pasta and lean mince, is always going to be better than whatever you want, which is likely to consist of fries, sausages, any fast food really, sugary cereals etc. Why you ask? Slow digesting carbs, fiber, antioxidants, insulin levels to name a few. They all effect your gains now and your health in the future, if you want me to go into further details to educate you on this please let me know.
Ndj - maybe you shouldn't eat ice cream then, our ice cream in the UK isn't as packed with sugar.
thats all you got bro????
LOL ok…
to quote game of thrones "you know nothing John Snow"
we are done as you have proved you do not know anything…
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