17 day diet?
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Yeah I was used to eating pretty late, just a cultural thing..... But when I went to Brazil they ate late but it's what they ate that made a huge difference. I didn't realize it till I got home and even though I ate like crazy I lost 10lbs! But they have the main meals in the mornings. Anything super high in carb is eaten before siesta. Eating highly refined carbs at like 8pm will kill ya! Lol. Those are some behaviours I had to change. And this book is a guide. Like I was able to keep the weight off for 2yrs. So it obviously worked for me.booksandchocolate12 wrote: »ingridehikwe wrote: »And eating at the right time....I think that was a BIG one, eating at the right time.
I never thought it mattered what time you ate. Unless by "the right time" you mean taking a minute to say, "Do I really need to eat this NOW? Am I hungry?"
I know some people firmly believe that they can't/shouldn't eat past 7pm, 8pm, whatever. But in other countries, the standard time for dinner is 8 or 9 pm. And as we all know....
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I haven't looked into the 17 day diet. I have however, on advice from my naturapath, eleminated all breads and grains and most dairy from my diet (except from the occassional treat - CHOCOLATE mmmm) and I have to say I feel 100% better. I have heaps more energy, don't need that nap in the arvo any more. I work out 6 days a week, don't need to snack during the day. My head feels clearer. When I do have a sandwich or bread/cereal, I notice it immediately. Feel bloated, lethargic.
My carbs come from fruit and vegetables. More along the lines of the Paleo diet.
This won't not suit everyone. My naturapath conducted some tests to see what eating plan may suit me. From then on it's trail and error and some tweaking. And yes. Calorie counting. Can't get away from that.
Really it's a case of trying it. If it suits you and you can follow it, then I see no harm in giving it a go.
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Its a good book. But like everything else you have to put in the work or it's just another book in your hand. Whatever it is people choose to do, as long as they are consistent then it'll work. I definitely can't live without carbs lol so this diet helped to curve the need for carbs to something that is manageable.0
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ingridehikwe wrote: »
Yeah I was used to eating pretty late, just a cultural thing..... But when I went to Brazil they ate late but it's what they ate that made a huge difference. I didn't realize it till I got home and even though I ate like crazy I lost 10lbs! But they have the main meals in the mornings. Anything super high in carb is eaten before siesta. Eating highly refined carbs at like 8pm will kill ya! Lol. Those are some behaviours I had to change. And this book is a guide. Like I was able to keep the weight off for 2yrs. So it obviously worked for me.booksandchocolate12 wrote: »ingridehikwe wrote: »And eating at the right time....I think that was a BIG one, eating at the right time.
I never thought it mattered what time you ate. Unless by "the right time" you mean taking a minute to say, "Do I really need to eat this NOW? Am I hungry?"
I know some people firmly believe that they can't/shouldn't eat past 7pm, 8pm, whatever. But in other countries, the standard time for dinner is 8 or 9 pm. And as we all know....
So much wrong... meal timing does not matter.0 -
jenniwylie33 wrote: »I'm definitely using MFP to track food too, but I need a little kickstart. I haven't bought the book - just going off of pinterest and blogs etc.
no such thing as a "kickstart"
just start eating less now...0 -
Ok guys. Let it go. Honestly, I'd delete the entire thread if I could, it's just discouraging instead of motivating.0
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Backing somebody when they are taking an illogical path is not motivational nor supportive.0
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another upset OP because here post was not validated with 100% support …sigh0
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I don't know you. You're not backing me. I'm sorry, I really am not interested in this kind of support. Had I realized what would come from posting, I wouldn't have posted in the first place.0
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No I wasn't looking for validation, I was looking for other people participating to share the experience with- which I have found. There really was no reason to post otherwise.0
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jenniwylie33 wrote: »No I wasn't looking for validation, I was looking for other people participating to share the experience with- which I have found. There really was no reason to post otherwise.
well it is a public forum..
I see you got some good advice on page 1 …
here is what I would tell you ..
set mfp to one pound per week weight loss, and eat to that number
track everything you eat
get a food scale and weight all solids and as many liquids as possible
realize that there are no bad foods and that you can incorporate things like ice cream, cookies, etc into your diet, just balance it out with nutrient dense foods like vegetables, whole grains, chicken, fish, steak, etc….just make sure that you hit your calorie/micro/macro targets
set your macros to 35% carbs/35% protein/30% fats < you can do that in custom settings..
you don't need some internet 17 day diet gimmick ..
do the above and be honest with your logging and you will have success…
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jenniwylie33 wrote: »I don't know you. You're not backing me. I'm sorry, I really am not interested in this kind of support. Had I realized what would come from posting, I wouldn't have posted in the first place.
I'm not backing your illogical choice. There is a difference in that and not backing you.0 -
Thank you
I appreciate the advice! I am logging everything, but will look into the food scale.
Do you weigh your chicken etc before you cook it? Or after?0 -
jenniwylie33 wrote: »Thank you I appreciate the advice! I am logging everything, but will look into the food scale.
Do you weigh your chicken etc before you cook it? Or after?
I weigh it after I cook it…
you can do it either way just be consistent and always do it that way ...0 -
Ok! Perfect.0
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cut out all alcohol! and you will all see a major difference 0
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dmcmillan85 wrote: »cut out all alcohol! and you will all see a major difference
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dmcmillan85 wrote: »cut out all alcohol! and you will all see a major difference
cut 100% of anything and you will see a major difference...0 -
I'm a very boring mom of 2 - not a whole lot of alcohol over here 0
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jenniwylie33 wrote: »limetree683 wrote: »
Already others have implied she is lazy and ignorant. Nice.
OP - the diet seems is interesting. One point in its favour for me is that it doesn't exclude food groups so it could be a nice way to cut things out and reintroduce them in moderation. Just be aware that no diet will kickstart your metabolism, or help you burn fat faster etc etc. It really is calories in vs calories out for most people. But if you're anything like me you will need a period of time to help you relearn how to eat healthily. For me it was giving up refined carbs/sugar for a month as I tend to over-eat these things and was not doing well on moderation. Now having learned how not to build my meals around these elements I feel I will do better in reintroducing them into my diet. Different people need different tools to help them achieve the same goal, that's all.
Exactly this. I'm not lazy or ignorant - Thank you!
And like you said, my purpose really is to retrain my mind to eat properly. It's more to go through the motions and gain back healthy habits. We all have excuses for why we let weight pile up. I was a skinny teenager, I never had to try to lose weight. As I aged, and had my kids, well guess what - life caught up, and I didn't change my habits. Now I need to, and when I looked at the millions of options, I really liked the 17 day goals, with the guidelines and food options.
I really wouldn't say I'm losing out with the meals I've been eating. They're filling and healthy and well balanced. Tons of fruits and vegetables, and lean meats. It's not that hard...
You report me just because u can't take the truth....pathetic
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dmcmillan85 wrote: »cut out all alcohol! and you will all see a major difference
I've lost 54lbs drinking most every weekend! Bring on the wine!0 -
jenniwylie33 wrote: »Ok guys. Let it go. Honestly, I'd delete the entire thread if I could, it's just discouraging instead of motivating.
@jenniwylie33
I'm sorry that the forums can be very rude and brash to people who are just starting out. You're trying, and that's a huge step that a lot of people don't take! I wish some other people would offer constructive advice rather than jump in like a rabid dog.
Anyway, I don't know anything about the 17 day diet, but if that's what gets you interested in nutrition and fitness then by all means! Continue reading about nutrition! Feed your mind with nutrition! Learn about your TDEE - http://iifym.com/tdee-calculator/ and your BMR - http://www.myfitnesspal.com/tools/bmr-calculator and everything else!
At the end of the day all you need to do to be successful is to find what will work for you in the long run. Your methods may change, but your goal to be healthier than you were before will always be the same! =]0 -
Well if you're on a learning curve good for you - keep maintenance and real life in mind as willpower can only get you so far
You don't want to only get it when you reach my age .. this whole ability to eat appropriately .. I've spent too many years convincing myself I was fine and I didn't like clothes shopping and missing out on stuff because I wasn't fit enough
But if you're a mother you should know that support isn't about always telling someone they're amazing and right, it's about helping them realise what's true and what's garbage.
The diet works because it's controlling your calories for you - get to a point where you can control them for yourself for life and you will be successful
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Katerina9408 wrote: »
You report me just because u can't take the truth....pathetic nvm
Not me. Maybe you offended more than one person.0 -
limetree683 wrote: »Ah. So there have been multiple 'mean people' threads in the past? So I'm not the only one who sees a tone? And yet these threads keep coming. Oh well, they must all have been by stupid/ignorant/stubborn people who refused to see the wisdom of being talked down to, or being called lazy and stupid in an effort to change their eating habits.
OP stated clearly she was trying to re-learn healthy eating habits. She didn't need to be asked if she was a dirt-bike and needed a kick-start. Also, why are you presuming to tell her what will be her down-fall (which coincidentally is your down-fall)?
I'm not getting defensive by the way. I've got nothing to defend. And you can call it white knight-ing all you want, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
Yes, there have been multiple threads, there are also threads, one in particular thanking all the mean people here and admitting that they were right.
I never said cutting out foods entirely was my downfall, but I have been around long enough to see a lot of people fail using that strategy. Out of curiosity, what happens when you reintroduce the foods you cut out? Did you magically learn to eat them in moderation during the time you banned yourself from eating them? Are you special? Or, do you do like most other people do employing that strategy? My bet, you'll do like most people do, gain the weight back and then some. I hope you and the OP prove me wrong, I really do, but history is not on your side. Most people fail as soon as they reintroduce the foods they were afraid of.
Anyway, the OP has gotten plenty of good advice in this thread (the dirt bike comment was a joke, since she said she needed a kickstart, and it's sad that you took offense when she clearly did not), advice she clearly is adamant about rejecting out of hand so there's no reason for me to waste my time trying to help. Good luck to both of you, I genuinely do hope that you are the exception and not the rule. Cheers.
Rigger
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OP, try it. If it works, its great if not move on. There is no single diet for every one. Do what works for you.0
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navyrigger46 wrote: »limetree683 wrote: »Ah. So there have been multiple 'mean people' threads in the past? So I'm not the only one who sees a tone? And yet these threads keep coming. Oh well, they must all have been by stupid/ignorant/stubborn people who refused to see the wisdom of being talked down to, or being called lazy and stupid in an effort to change their eating habits.
OP stated clearly she was trying to re-learn healthy eating habits. She didn't need to be asked if she was a dirt-bike and needed a kick-start. Also, why are you presuming to tell her what will be her down-fall (which coincidentally is your down-fall)?
I'm not getting defensive by the way. I've got nothing to defend. And you can call it white knight-ing all you want, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
Yes, there have been multiple threads, there are also threads, one in particular thanking all the mean people here and admitting that they were right.
I never said cutting out foods entirely was my downfall, but I have been around long enough to see a lot of people fail using that strategy. Out of curiosity, what happens when you reintroduce the foods you cut out? Did you magically learn to eat them in moderation during the time you banned yourself from eating them? Are you special? Or, do you do like most other people do employing that strategy? My bet, you'll do like most people do, gain the weight back and then some. I hope you and the OP prove me wrong, I really do, but history is not on your side. Most people fail as soon as they reintroduce the foods they were afraid of.
Anyway, the OP has gotten plenty of good advice in this thread (the dirt bike comment was a joke, since she said she needed a kickstart, and it's sad that you took offense when she clearly did not), advice she clearly is adamant about rejecting out of hand so there's no reason for me to waste my time trying to help. Good luck to both of you, I genuinely do hope that you are the exception and not the rule. Cheers.
Rigger
It depends, I have seen lot of people stop counting calories once they lose weight and then gain back. I see ton of posts here about people starting it again and again. Its not the fault of a weight loss diet that they gained back the weight. The problem is maintenance, they didn't have a good maintenance plan. Stop blaming weight gain on something which helps you lose weight. Take calorie counting, moderation, low carb, paleo or anything, if some one doesn't have a good maintenance plan they will fail. I rarely eat carbs, every one told me that I can't sustain the life style, but for me its the right fit. I don't even have to use the will power to moderate. I eat what ever I want till I am full and don't even count calories as long as I keep my carbs low enough. There is nothing wrong with a cycle of weight loss diet followed by good maintenance plan, lots of athletes do it.
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limetree683 wrote: »navyrigger46 wrote: »
Why do I feel like this is on the verge of spawning another "mean people" thread?
I don't see this condescension you're seeing. And I don't see it in other threads unless people really take their ignorance to a higher level of stupid and then insist on defending it in the face of facts. This is about help, no matter what you think. We, (the veterans) are speaking from experience, we have been there, done that, and seen the numerous members who have failed and come back.
The fact that you don't have a problem cutting out foods, well, good for you. If that's sustainable, great, for the vast majority of people it is not. White knight all you want, but the fact that you see a tone and get defensive just tells me that you know, and the OP knows that we are right, but are too stubborn to give it up.
Rigger
Ah. So there have been multiple 'mean people' threads in the past? So I'm not the only one who sees a tone? And yet these threads keep coming. Oh well, they must all have been by stupid/ignorant/stubborn people who refused to see the wisdom of being talked down to, or being called lazy and stupid in an effort to change their eating habits.
OP stated clearly she was trying to re-learn healthy eating habits. She didn't need to be asked if she was a dirt-bike and needed a kick-start. Also, why are you presuming to tell her what will be her down-fall (which coincidentally is your down-fall)?
I'm not getting defensive by the way. I've got nothing to defend. And you can call it white knight-ing all you want, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
Yes, there are LOADS of 'mean people' threads. This one's my favourite,
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp
It's easy to just sigh when you see these threads and just move on and not comment because you can see where it will go (like I did when I first looked at it earlier). Harder to run the gauntlet of 'but x is bad/this will work for me/this will kick start my metabolism' etc. and offer up some sensible advice in the hope that the OP can save themselves some time and hassle, by learning from others mistakes.
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limetree683 wrote: »navyrigger46 wrote: »
Why do I feel like this is on the verge of spawning another "mean people" thread?
I don't see this condescension you're seeing. And I don't see it in other threads unless people really take their ignorance to a higher level of stupid and then insist on defending it in the face of facts. This is about help, no matter what you think. We, (the veterans) are speaking from experience, we have been there, done that, and seen the numerous members who have failed and come back.
The fact that you don't have a problem cutting out foods, well, good for you. If that's sustainable, great, for the vast majority of people it is not. White knight all you want, but the fact that you see a tone and get defensive just tells me that you know, and the OP knows that we are right, but are too stubborn to give it up.
Rigger
Ah. So there have been multiple 'mean people' threads in the past? So I'm not the only one who sees a tone? And yet these threads keep coming. Oh well, they must all have been by stupid/ignorant/stubborn people who refused to see the wisdom of being talked down to, or being called lazy and stupid in an effort to change their eating habits.
OP stated clearly she was trying to re-learn healthy eating habits. She didn't need to be asked if she was a dirt-bike and needed a kick-start. Also, why are you presuming to tell her what will be her down-fall (which coincidentally is your down-fall)?
I'm not getting defensive by the way. I've got nothing to defend. And you can call it white knight-ing all you want, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
Yes, there are LOADS of 'mean people' threads. This one's my favourite,
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1088600/dear-mean-people-of-mfp
It's easy to just sigh when you see these threads and just move on and not comment because you can see where it will go (like I did when I first looked at it earlier). Harder to run the gauntlet of 'but x is bad/this will work for me/this will kick start my metabolism' etc. and offer up some sensible advice in the hope that the OP can save themselves some time and hassle, by learning from others mistakes.
Every one is different, OP should learn for herself. The best things I ever did for my fitness was ignore some of the sensible advice which got me no where. There is nothing wrong with trying and I applaud OP for trying to figure out things for herself.
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leonidas_and_spartacus wrote: »It depends, I have seen lot of people stop counting calories once they lose weight and then gain back. I see ton of posts here about people starting it again and again. Its not the fault of a weight loss diet that they gained back the weight. The problem is maintenance, they didn't have a good maintenance plan. Stop blaming weight gain on something which helps you lose weight. Take calorie counting, moderation, low carb, paleo or anything, if some one doesn't have a good maintenance plan they will fail. I rarely eat carbs, every told me that I can't sustain the life style, but for me its the right fit. I don't even have to use the will power to moderate. I eat what ever I want till I am full and don't even count calories. There is nothing wrong with a cycle of weight loss diet followed by good maintenance plan, lots of athletes do it.
See, that's just my point, learning to maintain is where people struggle, and cutting out foods to lose weight only to add them back in during maintenance is a recipe for failure for many people. I didn't say that it's a 100% certainty, some people make it work, and that's great, but the vast majority don't.
Rigger
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