17 day diet?
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limetree683 wrote: »Yup. The tone of the replies to this is pretty much the same as for any one else who dares asks a question.
Rigger - everyone is different. I have been sugar free for a month now because I find it much easier to cut stuff out completely rather than eat in moderation. I don't have sugar cravings at all, and in fact just today I had my first taste of refined sugar in over 30 days and it just didn't taste that good anymore, hence I don't see such denial as being part of my downfall. Just because denial of food is an issue for *you* doesn't mean it is for everyone.
And this isn't about help, it's about the condescending tone and so-called 'tough-love' I constantly see from the 'survivors' 'veterans' and 'fighters' here.
Already others have implied she is lazy and ignorant. Nice.
Why do I feel like this is on the verge of spawning another "mean people" thread?
I don't see this condescension you're seeing. And I don't see it in other threads unless people really take their ignorance to a higher level of stupid and then insist on defending it in the face of facts. This is about help, no matter what you think. We, (the veterans) are speaking from experience, we have been there, done that, and seen the numerous members who have failed and come back.
The fact that you don't have a problem cutting out foods, well, good for you. If that's sustainable, great, for the vast majority of people it is not. White knight all you want, but the fact that you see a tone and get defensive just tells me that you know, and the OP knows that we are right, but are too stubborn to give it up.
Rigger
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_dracarys_ wrote: »Please come back in 6 months and let us know if you're still sugar free...
Lol - see? This is my point. Firstly, you've not bothered reading my entire post. I am not interested in being sugar-free forever. In that same post I said clearly that I was interested in reintroducing refined carbs and sugar into my diet now that I have learned not to build all my meals around them, and also have lost the cravings. Because, FOR ME, it's easier to cut something out completely than have it around and eat it in moderation. Secondly, it is condescending to assume that just because *you* can't do something, I can't either.
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You are definitely not lazy for using this diet. At least you are taking charge and doing something about the weight gain. There are several benefits to this approach....won't go into it right now. But I've seen tons of patients use this and keep the weight off. Actually I got started on this after a patient came in and was down 50lbs and kept it off for over a year. Just remember even if you lose some water weight initially, that is less load on your heart0
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I absolutely agree that eating in moderation is key.
I am not currently disciplined enough to do that, which is why I wanted something with more structure, and work up to eating in moderation. Clearly what I WAS eating, wasn't working, so I wanted a plan, and a change. This is what I chose.0 -
Thank you ingridhikwe!0
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No problem! Keep up the good job, it's worth it!0
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navyrigger46 wrote: »
Why do I feel like this is on the verge of spawning another "mean people" thread?
I don't see this condescension you're seeing. And I don't see it in other threads unless people really take their ignorance to a higher level of stupid and then insist on defending it in the face of facts. This is about help, no matter what you think. We, (the veterans) are speaking from experience, we have been there, done that, and seen the numerous members who have failed and come back.
The fact that you don't have a problem cutting out foods, well, good for you. If that's sustainable, great, for the vast majority of people it is not. White knight all you want, but the fact that you see a tone and get defensive just tells me that you know, and the OP knows that we are right, but are too stubborn to give it up.
Rigger
Ah. So there have been multiple 'mean people' threads in the past? So I'm not the only one who sees a tone? And yet these threads keep coming. Oh well, they must all have been by stupid/ignorant/stubborn people who refused to see the wisdom of being talked down to, or being called lazy and stupid in an effort to change their eating habits.
OP stated clearly she was trying to re-learn healthy eating habits. She didn't need to be asked if she was a dirt-bike and needed a kick-start. Also, why are you presuming to tell her what will be her down-fall (which coincidentally is your down-fall)?
I'm not getting defensive by the way. I've got nothing to defend. And you can call it white knight-ing all you want, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
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Try to change your life, not just another fad diet. This will not end the way you wish unless you change your diet for good. No one wants to see you fail, so many of these people have already been around this block and are trying to warn you but you don't want to see that. You only want validation of what you are doing. Not listening to those that are trying to tell you this isn't a good idea will get you nowhere but this is your choice to make, others that have been there done it, are trying to help you.0
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This does teach you to change your eating habits. Before I told anyone that this was just a "fad diet" I actually tried it....cause you don't want to discourage a person if something does work. Either way I was completely surprised that it worked. What may work for one person may not work for all, so don't shoot down something with having fully looked into it. It's not heroin or cocaine she's doing, it's a diet. If it works for her then great, if it doesn't then she can learn from it. But I haven't really met someone who has tried this and hasn't worked.0
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Does this look challenging? Not only am I making healthier meals for my family, but the only things I've cut out of my diet thus far, are a daily bagel or muffin on my way to work, or a bowl of cereal while I watch tv at night. I'm not saying I'm never going to have these things again, or pizza or whatever - it's 4 cycles, the 4th is maintenance, by which time you can have these things again in moderation - instead of regularly. That sounds pretty reasonable. I think you 'veterans' have already figured out your zen place and how to get there. Not every has. Some people need a little help to get to where you are. I'm not looking for YOU to get me there, and you don't know me, or care if fail or succeed or don't log on tomorrow.
Breakfast: 2 egg omelet, with mushrooms and bell peppers
Lunch: Spinach Salad with chicken, cucumbers and bell peppers
Dinner: Souvlaki chicken with steamed broccoli and caramelized carrots, side of greek salad.
Snacks: 1 100g greek yogurt, apple, berries (throughout the day)
Green tea, and adequate water throughout the day.0 -
^^ and that's from cycle one, not the second or third, where other foods are worked back in. pretty maintainable as far as I can tell.0
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PLUS it's free (not ww or jenny craig, or dr. bernstein) and I'm finding new recipes as I go, not taking any weird supplements... Healthy.0
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jenniwylie33 wrote: »^^ and that's from cycle one, not the second or third, where other foods are worked back in. pretty maintainable as far as I can tell.
The awesome eating habits you form from this is what keeps the weight off. Honestly this forced me to start drinking tons of water and made me try green tea for the first time, which I loved and continued to drink instead of my normal double double coffee. Other great points was I stopped eating carbs after 2pm. Just by doing that alone I didn't gain a pound back for 2yrs, even though I went back to eating white rice and white pasta. But now I'm back on track, postpartum, 4days and 4lbs down!
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limetree683 wrote: »navyrigger46 wrote: »
Why do I feel like this is on the verge of spawning another "mean people" thread?
I don't see this condescension you're seeing. And I don't see it in other threads unless people really take their ignorance to a higher level of stupid and then insist on defending it in the face of facts. This is about help, no matter what you think. We, (the veterans) are speaking from experience, we have been there, done that, and seen the numerous members who have failed and come back.
The fact that you don't have a problem cutting out foods, well, good for you. If that's sustainable, great, for the vast majority of people it is not. White knight all you want, but the fact that you see a tone and get defensive just tells me that you know, and the OP knows that we are right, but are too stubborn to give it up.
Rigger
Ah. So there have been multiple 'mean people' threads in the past? So I'm not the only one who sees a tone? And yet these threads keep coming. Oh well, they must all have been by stupid/ignorant/stubborn people who refused to see the wisdom of being talked down to, or being called lazy and stupid in an effort to change their eating habits.
OP stated clearly she was trying to re-learn healthy eating habits. She didn't need to be asked if she was a dirt-bike and needed a kick-start. Also, why are you presuming to tell her what will be her down-fall (which coincidentally is your down-fall)?
I'm not getting defensive by the way. I've got nothing to defend. And you can call it white knight-ing all you want, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
You should use the search function to find the thread thanking all the "mean" people. A lot of solid info.
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I love that it's forcing me to try new recipes. So ridiculous, considering my house hold is NOT picky - they'll eat anything, and yet we'd been relying on a few staple meals, instead of building healthier options. Now that we're doing that, everyone loves supper time more. So silly.0
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^That's fair enough, I'm not knocking their knowledge. More the delivery. Some people like tough love - I think it's condescending. Whatever.0
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She is making an effort to get healthy. In my eyes that should get applause even if you don't agree with her means. Who knows this "fad" diet may cause her to make good choices moving forth. Some people need something to follow to in the end make life changing habits.0
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jenniwylie33 wrote: »I love that it's forcing me to try new recipes. So ridiculous, considering my house hold is NOT picky - they'll eat anything, and yet we'd been relying on a few staple meals, instead of building healthier options. Now that we're doing that, everyone loves supper time more. So silly.
My husband has lost 6lbs in 4days. Just from the change with suppers. He still eats his normal stuff during the day. But that simple change has made a big difference. And I absolutely love some of the recipe. Really easy and quick! And honestly who would've thought kefir could taste so good?!!!
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jenniwylie33 wrote: »I absolutely agree that eating in moderation is key.
I am not currently disciplined enough to do that, which is why I wanted something with more structure, and work up to eating in moderation. Clearly what I WAS eating, wasn't working, so I wanted a plan, and a change. This is what I chose.
You're not disciplined enough to eat in moderation...so you decide to do an extremely restrictive diet for a predetermined period that requires even MORE discipline than simply eating at a deficit?
Sense. You are making zero of it.0 -
Let me try to make sense of it for you, from my perspective - and I get that it may not match yours. This program is designed to start with the basics, and over 70ish days works it back to a maintainable level. Like I said, it's re-training. If I knew it all, and could do it on my own, I would.0
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Yes - because for some people it's easier to cut things out completely than try and moderate them. Because in a way cutting something out requires less discipline: you don't buy it, keep it in the house, put it on your shopping list whatever. I know it's that way for me.
I think you're the one who doesn't have the imagination to see that other people do things differently to you.0 -
Me too. I don't eat "some chips" I eat ALL THE CHIPS. It's not right. I need to fix it.0
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jenniwylie33 wrote: »Me too. I don't eat "some chips" I eat ALL THE CHIPS. It's not right. I need to fix it.
I come from a background where rice is the staple for every meal. I had to literally cut it out for 30days then reintroduce brown rice to my diet slowly before I could moderate it. But that's what this diet helped with. Change is not so easy for everyone. Just like smoking some people can quit cold turkey others need nicotine replacement.0 -
My mother in law puts delicious, home bake white bread and butter on the table with every meal. At first, when I met my husband way back in college - it was such a treat. Home cooked meals, delicious food... yup that added up really quickly!0
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I had never even heard of this diet before reading this thread, so bear with me.
The way I understand it, there is no logging, no counting, no tracking, is that right? You eat from a certain group of foods, then add more foods as time goes on? And there are no set portion sizes, or do you just eat "to satisfaction"?
It kind of reminds me of the South Beach Diet. I did that for a while a long time ago, when it was just a book (no website, no membership, etc.). I did well on it at first, and found it to be a healthy diet. But eventually it caught up with me, and I'll tell you why.
I have no idea what it means to eat "to satisfaction". I have no off switch, and I eat very fast. Before I know it, I have plowed right through "satisfied" and well on into "stuffed".
That's why I need to count (be it calories, "points" or whatever) and log everything. That's the only way I know that I'm eating the right amount.
Hopefully one day I'll learn to slow down, learn to listen to my body and know that I'm "just full enough". But I'm not there yet. And it seems that with a diet like the 17 Day Diet, you have to have that skill set to succeed.
I wish you good luck with your weight loss!0 -
booksandchocolate12 wrote: »I had never even heard of this diet before reading this thread, so bear with me.
The way I understand it, there is no logging, no counting, no tracking, is that right? You eat from a certain group of foods, then add more foods as time goes on? And there are no set portion sizes, or do you just eat "to satisfaction"?
It kind of reminds me of the South Beach Diet. I did that for a while a long time ago, when it was just a book (no website, no membership, etc.). I did well on it at first, and found it to be a healthy diet. But eventually it caught up with me, and I'll tell you why.
I have no idea what it means to eat "to satisfaction". I have no off switch, and I eat very fast. Before I know it, I have plowed right through "satisfied" and well on into "stuffed".
That's why I need to count (be it calories, "points" or whatever) and log everything. That's the only way I know that I'm eating the right amount.
Hopefully one day I'll learn to slow down, learn to listen to my body and know that I'm "just full enough". But I'm not there yet. And it seems that with a diet like the 17 Day Diet, you have to have that skill set to succeed.
I wish you good luck with your weight loss!
It's does give you moderations and serving sizes. There are some stuff you can eat as much as you want too. I find keeping track with MFP ensures I'm getting enough of calories, especially because I'm nursing. I have done it without MFP before. But I have to pay closer attention to the nutrient portion closely due to nursing. Like I said before, I did have to add some extra carbs and fats like steel cut oats, extra olive oil and almonds. But I'm loosing weight faster now than before. MFP is a great tool, but to think to long in for the rest of my life is not possible. The diet helped me learn to listen to my hunger signals and eat high nutrient dense foods if I'm actually hungry. And eating at the right time....I think that was a BIG one, eating at the right time.0 -
jenniwylie33 wrote: »Ok guys, quit raining on my parade please! I'm making a lifestyle change from eating on the run, and having very unbalanced meals, to eating fruits and veggies, and high protein. I did not ask "would you like to slam my new diet choice?" I asked "Is anyone doing the 17 day diet, or interested in starting? I have just started, and love it - but I'm looking for some like-minded people to keep the enthusiasm going with !"
When facts rain on your parade, that should tell you something.0 -
ingridehikwe wrote: »And eating at the right time....I think that was a BIG one, eating at the right time.
I never thought it mattered what time you ate. Unless by "the right time" you mean taking a minute to say, "Do I really need to eat this NOW? Am I hungry?"
I know some people firmly believe that they can't/shouldn't eat past 7pm, 8pm, whatever. But in other countries, the standard time for dinner is 8 or 9 pm. And as we all know....
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There is no magic pill, no magic potion, and no ridiculous 17 day diet. Weight loss isn't rocket science it's simply calories in, versus calories out. Simply meaning eat less, move more.0
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