Is diet pop really bad for you?

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  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    LeenaGee wrote: »
    dantl wrote: »
    Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.

    Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.

    For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!

    Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.

    http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/

    http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners

    http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/

    Well if my post was so off topic, why don't you just return to topic. Problem solved.

    Dantl (another example of someone denied freedom of speech) has provided plenty of links to keep you busy.

    How on earth was he denied the freedom of speech. Also, as noted above, these have been addressed.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    evileen99 wrote: »
    LeenaGee wrote: »
    On a very basic level, I see no nutritional value in diet soda whatsoever, so why drink the crap.
    There's no nutritional value in water either.

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  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    ihad wrote: »
    vbaez6 wrote: »
    Sarauk2sf wrote: »
    vbaez6 wrote: »
    Jbarnes1210 wrote: »
    My name is jessica , and I'm addicted to diet pop! I'm trying to give up, it has 0 calories/carbs... So why do I keep hearing it will,prevent weight loss????

    One concern about artificial sweeteners is that they affect the body’s ability to gauge how many calories are being consumed. Some studies show that sugar and artificial sweeteners affect the brain in different ways.

    The human brain responds to sweetness with signals to eat more. By providing a sweet taste without any calories, however, artificial sweeteners cause us to crave more sweet foods and drinks, which can add up to excess calories.

    So in conclusion, don't use artificial sweeteners if you can help it (AKA diet soda).

    It only increases the appetite for some - for others it helps adherence to their calorie target. Your body does not determine how many calories you have eaten - what you put in your mouth does.

    The studies that are thrown around were done under ad lib eating conditions.

    Thanks for undermining my reply but I don't see any thoughts of yours posted on here that reflect any sort of academic work. Just opinions after opinions. Oh and more opinions....

    Do you realize that of the millions and millions of users on this site, Sara has easily shared and explained more reputable scientific studies than ANYONE else, and quite possibly EVERYONE else combined?

    That fact may also undermine your reply to some extent.

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  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    edited March 2015
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    EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
    dantl wrote: »
    Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.

    Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.

    For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!

    Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.

    http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/

    http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners

    http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/

    Here for the science.


    What does the only science article you actually quoted say?

    A double blind study subjected 55 overweight youth to 13 weeks of a 1,000 Kcal diet accompanied by daily capsules of aspartame or lactose placebo. Both groups lost weight, and the difference was not significant. Weight loss was attributed to caloric restriction [27]. ...

    So soda tends to be a marker for other poor diet choices but it is likely to NOT be the actual cause of weight gain.

    Quoting the response to the list of not very good articles apparently 'proving' a point...badly, so the response (aka denying someone freedom of speech) is shown and not just the links.

    ETA: I just realize ^^that comment may not make any sense to anyone else (it did in my head). Cliffs: Original post with the links = bad. Response by Evgeni = good.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    eric_sg61 wrote: »
    LeenaGee wrote: »
    herrspoons wrote: »
    LeenaGee wrote: »
    As I said, I quoted the whole ad as written in the paper. It is the same ad that has been televised nationwide for the past year and the words "toxic fat" are used. Apparently it is a joint campaign between the State Government, Heart Foundation and Cancer to encourage people to eat well, be physically active and maintain a healthy weight.

    You know what one of the virtues of a decent person is? Admitting when they're wrong.

    A little humility goes a long way.

    I noticed somebody flagged you. Thank you for that whoever you are. :)

    Herrspoons, I am actually a decent person. By quoting an article from the paper does not make me wrong, or indecent or lacking in humility.

    Not liking soda does not make me a bad person.

    Just smh, truly pathetic

    *nods*

    It's still funny though, because mods are actually cracking down on people abusing the flagging system or not following the guidelines as to what is allowed to be flagged.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    MrM27 wrote: »
    @LeenaGee‌ for the 10th time, why bring up a link that has nothing to do with diet soda when the question is about diet soda?

    For the lolz? I'm still wondering myself.
  • Go_Mizzou99
    Go_Mizzou99 Posts: 2,628 Member
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    I just drank a Diet Squirt...how long do I have? B)
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
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    Sarauk2sf wrote: »
    EvgeniZyntx wrote: »
    dantl wrote: »
    Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.

    Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.

    For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!

    Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.

    http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/

    http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners

    http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/

    Here for the science.


    What does the only science article you actually quoted say?

    A double blind study subjected 55 overweight youth to 13 weeks of a 1,000 Kcal diet accompanied by daily capsules of aspartame or lactose placebo. Both groups lost weight, and the difference was not significant. Weight loss was attributed to caloric restriction [27]. ...

    So soda tends to be a marker for other poor diet choices but it is likely to NOT be the actual cause of weight gain.

    Quoting the response to the list of not very good articles apparently 'proving' a point...badly, so the response (aka denying someone freedom of speech) is shown and not just the links.

    Freedom of speech = denied.

    You two are just oppressive oppressors. On the phone with Al Sharpton now.

    :laugh:
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
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    Go_Mizzou99 wrote: »
    I just drank a Diet Squirt...how long do I have? B)

    Not long.

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  • ogmomma2012
    ogmomma2012 Posts: 1,520 Member
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    LeenaGee wrote: »
    dantl wrote: »
    Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.

    Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.

    For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!

    Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.

    http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/

    http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners

    http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/

    Well if my post was so off topic, why don't you just return to topic. Problem solved.

    Dantl (another example of someone denied freedom of speech) has provided plenty of links to keep you busy.

    They've already been refuted. But I guess you'll keep pretending we're talking about REGULAR soda, as that's the only thing you've contributed in regards to topic.
  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,725 Member
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    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
    callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
    dantl wrote: »
    It does prevent weight loss because of the chemical artificial sweeteners such as sucralose, acesulfame-K (potassium), saccharin and aspartame. They have zero calories, but the chemicals and the sweet taste with zero calories doesn't trick the brain that you are eating sugar and instead stimulates your appetite so you eat more to make up for the calorie deficit the brain is expecting. It causes you to gain more weight and proportionately more fat and in turn slows your metabolism.

    I would suggest a few things. You can put lemon or cucumber slices in your water to flavor it. You an also try sparkling mineral water (Perrier has flavored waters) or using plain and mixing with a little bit of 100% cranberry juice with a touch of stevia. The more you can fall in love with regular water - the better your weight loss.

    This is not true.

    I've also had cucumber water. It's gross.

    yeah. it really is. i drink water all day, and have been known to put stuff in it (lemon, lime, orange, berries) but cucumber really wasn't very good. neither was kiwi. LOL

    Ha, I know. I can drink water when I'm thirsty, but it has to be plain and ice cold. Putting anything in it makes it taste weird and I don't like chunks in my water, either.

    Sometimes you just gotta have a yummy diet root beer, or Diet Dr. Pepper.

    Or diet Dew for your Drive to the gym or X hour drive several states over. Or your diet ginger ale because yum
  • LeenaGee
    LeenaGee Posts: 749 Member
    edited March 2015
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    My post about soda was simply something I had seen in the paper that day. At the time I thought it was relatively on topic in a "diet soda" thread.

    Obviously not so just simply return to topic and all will be right with the world once again.
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
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    LeenaGee wrote: »
    My post about soda was simply something I had seen in the paper that day. At the time I thought it was relatively on topic in a "diet soda" thread.

    Obviously not so just simply return to topic and all will be right with the world once again.

    Post about REGULAR soda on topic in a DIET soda thread.

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  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
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    What's with jennifer lawrence love around here?
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
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    You quoted an AD. Mistakenly attributed it to the WHO. With your added information I did find it is state sponsored (AU) and it is admittedly a shock ad.

    https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/news-media/Media-Releases-2014/Pages/graphic-obesity-tv-campaign-launched-victoria.aspx

    Shock and shame don't have a good track record for changing behaviour.
  • Christine_72
    Christine_72 Posts: 16,049 Member
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    To be totally honest, and please don't bash me for this. ...
    But I am too scared to drink those diet drinks. I've read far too many negative things about it. Yes yes, I know you can find pro's and cons on anything on the internet. But until there's 100% certainty either way I'll stick to plain ol water :smile:
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    christinev297 wrote: »
    To be totally honest, and please don't bash me for this. ...
    But I am too scared to drink those diet drinks. I've read far too many negative things about it. Yes yes, I know you can find pro's and cons on anything on the internet. But until there's 100% certainty either way I'll stick to plain ol water :smile:

    I honestly do not have an issue with someone choosing not to drink them as the are not comfortable with it. I have an issue when people use flawed support for hyperbole and fear mongering. I would also suggest that is can go too far with some people (not referring to you at all with this) when they start having an unhealthy relationship with food due to these fears.

    You will never get 100% certainty on pretty much anything tbh however.
  • ogmomma2012
    ogmomma2012 Posts: 1,520 Member
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    christinev297 wrote: »
    To be totally honest, and please don't bash me for this. ...
    But I am too scared to drink those diet drinks. I've read far too many negative things about it. Yes yes, I know you can find pro's and cons on anything on the internet. But until there's 100% certainty either way I'll stick to plain ol water :smile:

    We can't ever have 100% certainty. Just sayin'. Nothing is 100% known fact for sure. :smile:
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    jgnatca wrote: »
    You quoted an AD. Mistakenly attributed it to the WHO. With your added information I did find it is state sponsored (AU) and it is admittedly a shock ad.

    https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/news-media/Media-Releases-2014/Pages/graphic-obesity-tv-campaign-launched-victoria.aspx

    Shock and shame don't have a good track record for changing behaviour.

    Looks like the 'toxic fat' is the visceral fat I assumed. They are using a very liberal interpretation of toxic....for the shock and awe factor I am sure.

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