Is diet pop really bad for you?
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As you can see, OP, it's a bit controversial. :P So really it's kind of up to you to make up your mind -- you could try not drinking it for awhile and see how you feel or you can keep drinking it. I've never cared for diet soda but that's just my taste buds.0
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deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Jbarnes1210 wrote: »My name is jessica , and I'm addicted to diet pop! I'm trying to give up, it has 0 calories/carbs... So why do I keep hearing it will,prevent weight loss????
It will not prevent weight loss, as the calories are negligible. If you enjoy it and it helps you meet your goals, definitely keep drinking it.
Just be sure and care for your teeth!
If you have to take care of one of the hardest parts of your body (teeth), I can't even imagine what it's doing to your soft organs inside your body?
Toothpaste and a toothbrush.
What about fruit?
We can always put it to the test, you drink whatever soda you like, how about 4 cans, and I'll eat 2 apples and 2 cups of strawberries a day, we'll do this for 5 months, take a picture of your teeth and see whose look better. But no brushing, we need to see real results. Hope you have a dental plan.
Yeah ok that's exactly what I'm going to do. Stop brushing my teeth to see how bad soda is, because I'm sure that if I don't brush my teeth for 5 months when they rot it will be due to the soda not the lack of brushing. Lol. Nice argument.
This post is about soda, not fruit anyways.
And your claim about it being bad for your teeth requires some extreme measures anyway. Anyone not brushing their teeth for 5 months has much bigger issues than drinking diet soda.
True, but the fact is im willing to bet that rapid tooth decay, plaque build up in your mouth would be worse then mine. I only suggest it because we want quick results, the sooner the better, and if I'm wrong, I'll admit that your 80s Heath tips are valid. Not to mention almost every dentist in the world would be wrong, schools pulling all pop machines and junk food would be wrong, cause it's all good according to you.
Funny, when I had braces put on my orthodontist [trained dental specialist, not internet nutrition guru] recommended that I switch to diet pop from regular because more stuff would be sticking to my teeth and the less sugar hanging around the better.
I liked the taste of diet better and never went back to regular -- can't stand it now, it's too syrupy for me.
That was 27 years ago and not a single cavity since.
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You used info from that quack Mercola as part of your defense? That's why people are giving you a hard time.Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.
Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.
For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!
Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.
http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/
http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners
http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/
I started with diet drinks back when all we had was Tab with its bizarre petrochemical taste. Then the gods smile down upon us and gave us Diet Coke. At my heyday, I was drinking more than a 6 pack a day. Dentist says my teeth are perfect, and when I had my baseline bone density test I was in the 75th percentile-- no osteoporosis, not even close. So I guess I'm N 9.
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i'd rather have a beer0
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MrCoolGrim wrote: »i'd rather have a beer
Yassss! Me too - most of my fizzy drinks consist of beer these days.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Bad for you? Oh, probably. Most have Aspartame, which has quite a bad reputation.
Nothing wrong with aspartame: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
It has a bad rap for no real reason.
Enjoy
*Edit to add that it can be a migraine trigger for some (just like many things), so if that's the case with you, then avoid it. Or if you have PKU.
Aspartame is scary - it's the main reason why virtually all fitness industry protein powders use sucralose, which is now developing a reputation for being scary as well.
http://aspartame.mercola.com/
Last people I want to listen to are government bodies in bed with Corporate America. They have been wrong before, they will be wrong again (in fact, they are wrong on this topic).
Better off just using refined sugar than using some artificial sweetener derivative developed from the same people who developed Agent Orange.
No thanks.
So in keeping with that, I take it you have never used a synthetic antibiotic?
So much tin foil, so few hats.
We are discussing diet sodas man. Find a forum topic on synthetic antibiotics and we can discuss there, it's not relevant to this discussion.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Bad for you? Oh, probably. Most have Aspartame, which has quite a bad reputation.
Nothing wrong with aspartame: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
It has a bad rap for no real reason.
Enjoy
*Edit to add that it can be a migraine trigger for some (just like many things), so if that's the case with you, then avoid it. Or if you have PKU.
Aspartame is scary - it's the main reason why virtually all fitness industry protein powders use sucralose, which is now developing a reputation for being scary as well.
http://aspartame.mercola.com/
Last people I want to listen to are government bodies in bed with Corporate America. They have been wrong before, they will be wrong again (in fact, they are wrong on this topic).
Better off just using refined sugar than using some artificial sweetener derivative developed from the same people who developed Agent Orange.
No thanks.
So in keeping with that, I take it you have never used a synthetic antibiotic?
So much tin foil, so few hats.
We are discussing diet sodas man. Find a forum topic on synthetic antibiotics and we can discuss there, it's not relevant to this discussion.
Yes, deflect the argument to distract people from your contradictions. Good tactic.0 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »MrCoolGrim wrote: »i'd rather have a beer
Yassss! Me too - most of my fizzy drinks consist of beer these days.
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There are some people who drink diet soda and think that gives them permission to eat 5,000 calories of cheeseburgers, cake, whatever and not exercise at all... which ends up as CI > CO and they gain weight. This isn't really because they are drinking diet soda, it is because they are making an excuse to eat too much.
Your body uses the water, so there is that benefit. It tastes delicious, and it gives caffeine. Last Friday when I worked a 17 hour day after a 12 hour day and during my finals week for grad school, etc...., I drank 10 cups of coffee (which has a small amount of calories) and 200 oz. of diet Pepsi (no calories). I also had some 5 hour energy (no calories) in order to give myself the energy to keep going. This isn't unusual for me as I'm so busy, so I happen to drink a lot of diet soda. I've lost weight drinking diet soda and I've stalled with weight loss drinking diet soda.
The few studies saying nutrasweet and sucralose are terrible for you (cause cancer, etc.) have lots of problems with how they were conducted and the conclusion (which don't follow the data collected, which is useless even if it did). The 100+ studies that show nutrasweet and sucralose are safe were conducted in a way to provide in more accurate conclusions. So don't believe the hype.0 -
I'm kind of the canary in the mine so to speak - I've always been super sensitive to environmental contaminants. I learned in my twenties (when I first tried diet drinks) that they caused killer migraines for me. Really brutal. That was enough for me and most of my family to stop drinking them - no such thing as 'clean' eating, but I do try to eliminate as many chemicals and contaminants from my life as possible, but they will always be around. You have to choose if this is one you want to expose yourself to or not.0
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You used info from that quack Mercola as part of your defense? That's why people are giving you a hard time.Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.
Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.
For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!
Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.
http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/
http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners
http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/
I started with diet drinks back when all we had was Tab with its bizarre petrochemical taste. Then the gods smile down upon us and gave us Diet Coke. At my heyday, I was drinking more than a 6 pack a day. Dentist says my teeth are perfect, and when I had my baseline bone density test I was in the 75th percentile-- no osteoporosis, not even close. So I guess I'm N 9.
Hey, there was Tab and Fresca. We had choices, man. My grandfather was diabetic. I grew up drinking diet soda. No cavities.
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I'm kind of the canary in the mine so to speak - I've always been super sensitive to environmental contaminants. I learned in my twenties (when I first tried diet drinks) that they caused killer migraines for me. Really brutal. That was enough for me and most of my family to stop drinking them - no such thing as 'clean' eating, but I do try to eliminate as many chemicals and contaminants from my life as possible, but they will always be around. You have to choose if this is one you want to expose yourself to or not.
Artificial sweeteners triggering migraines does not mean they are unsafe for people who don't get migraines.
For the record... here's one for you. I get horrific migraines. Mine are chronic. I'm under treatment with a specialist at one of the two top research migraine clinics in the country for mine. You know what one of my migraine triggers is? Sugar. I'm fine with artificial sweeteners.
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You cited opinion and it was refuted. No need to be upset. The links above are are "correlative" and not "causation" articles. There's a difference.Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.
Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.
For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!
Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.
http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/
http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners
http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/
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Thing is that there isn't sugar in diet drinks. That's why they are diet drinks.BuffaloChixSalad wrote: »idk if it is opinion or brain washing by my husband but the sugars found in diet drinks are bad for the body
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No bloating here. And people that have bad teeth are usually people with bad oral hygiene. No cavities in over 25 years drinking diet soda.gotobedhungry wrote: »It makes you bloated but doesn't actually cause true weight gain. But it is just as bad for your teeth because although it has no sugar, it is very acidic.
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We're not rats.Here's a bunch more links proving through Science (not opinions)-that diet soda drinkers are potentially digging themselves early graves:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17805418
More rats with high doses.
Where's the dosage amount used?
Mercola studies are laughable. Be concerned if one is ingesting the equivalent of a case or more of diet soda a day. But a can or 2?
Genetically modified bacterial waste? Really? How does bacteria manufacture phenylalaine and aspartic acid?If some of you really have to have soda/pop, why not try products made with Stevia? At least Stevia is a zero carb, zero calorie sweetener that comes from a natural Peruvian tea leaf. Unlike aspartame, which is genetically modified bacterial waste.
http://naturalsociety.com/1999-investigation-finds-aspartame-is-made-with-genetically-modified-bacteria/
Fearmongering of this sort is why people think diet soda is "toxic", "poison", etc.
Have yet to see a death certificate attributing death to aspartame poisoning by toxicity.
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Sweet taste and no calories. Same reason why people eat tons of food a year with sugar in it. Hyperpalatable.christinev297 wrote: »Why are so many people "addicted" to soda? What do they put it in it to make some people want to guzzle gallons of it everyday??
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Lol, eat vegetables and fruits without brushing your teeth for a year. Let us know how your dental check up ends up.deviboy1592 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Jbarnes1210 wrote: »My name is jessica , and I'm addicted to diet pop! I'm trying to give up, it has 0 calories/carbs... So why do I keep hearing it will,prevent weight loss????
It will not prevent weight loss, as the calories are negligible. If you enjoy it and it helps you meet your goals, definitely keep drinking it.
Just be sure and care for your teeth!
If you have to take care of one of the hardest parts of your body (teeth), I can't even imagine what it's doing to your soft organs inside your body?
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You lost 30lbs in a month just by stopping drinking diet soda? Sorry, but mathematically that doesn't fly.fnoblebrown wrote: »
I'm of the opinion that the artificial sweeteners screw with your metabolism almost as badly as the real thing. Even though there's no carbs/calories, what it does to you chemically is not positive, and you're better off quitting altogether.Jbarnes1210 wrote: »My name is jessica , and I'm addicted to diet pop! I'm trying to give up, it has 0 calories/carbs... So why do I keep hearing it will,prevent weight loss????
I know it's not easy - I was a six-pack-a-day soda drinker (at a minimum).
I quit it entirely and have had nothing but water, black tea, and black coffee since September. I lost 30 pounds in the first month without making ANY other change to my diet/exercise routine.
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But the hydrochloric acid in your stomach can dissolve that nail. Truth.deviboy1592 wrote: »Still doesn't prove anything, doesn't mean it's safe or dangerous, all I know is what I see, of Pepsi can dissolve rust off a nail, I don't want it going through my liver.
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I think diet soda would be ok if it were like a once a day thing... but dont drink obscene quantities of the stuff as if it's as innocuous as water. Having no calories and no carbs doens't make it water.0
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HardcoreP0rk wrote: »I think diet soda would be ok if it were like a once a day thing... but dont drink obscene quantities of the stuff as if it's as innocuous as water. Having no calories and no carbs doens't make it water.
You're right, it's only about 90% water.
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Oh the chemicalz!
Having lived through college, I can safely say that Diet Soda was not even close to the worst thing I put in my mouth.
Next you're going to tell me to give up beer. Or tequila. Or wine. Shenanigans.0 -
All fitness industry protein powders are packaged by a handful of manufacturers which is the likely reason that sucralose is the main sweetener in them now. If you have better "facts" post them.tedboosalis7 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Bad for you? Oh, probably. Most have Aspartame, which has quite a bad reputation.
Nothing wrong with aspartame: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
It has a bad rap for no real reason.
Enjoy
*Edit to add that it can be a migraine trigger for some (just like many things), so if that's the case with you, then avoid it. Or if you have PKU.
Aspartame is scary - it's the main reason why virtually all fitness industry protein powders use sucralose, which is now developing a reputation for being scary as well.
http://aspartame.mercola.com/
Last people I want to listen to are government bodies in bed with Corporate America. They have been wrong before, they will be wrong again (in fact, they are wrong on this topic).
Better off just using refined sugar than using some artificial sweetener derivative developed from the same people who developed Agent Orange.
No thanks.
Being a paleo person, you're stance is more biased than scientifically factual.
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All fitness industry protein powders are packaged by a handful of manufacturers which is the likely reason that sucralose is the main sweetener in them now. If you have better "facts" post them.tedboosalis7 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Bad for you? Oh, probably. Most have Aspartame, which has quite a bad reputation.
Nothing wrong with aspartame: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
It has a bad rap for no real reason.
Enjoy
*Edit to add that it can be a migraine trigger for some (just like many things), so if that's the case with you, then avoid it. Or if you have PKU.
Aspartame is scary - it's the main reason why virtually all fitness industry protein powders use sucralose, which is now developing a reputation for being scary as well.
http://aspartame.mercola.com/
Last people I want to listen to are government bodies in bed with Corporate America. They have been wrong before, they will be wrong again (in fact, they are wrong on this topic).
Better off just using refined sugar than using some artificial sweetener derivative developed from the same people who developed Agent Orange.
No thanks.
Being a paleo person, you're stance is more biased than scientifically factual.
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Stomach acid breaks it down to simplest form. The main ingredients would be phenylalaine and aspartic acid...............both amino acids. Also found in whole foods like meat and citrus fruits.deviboy1592 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »deviboy1592 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »Jbarnes1210 wrote: »My name is jessica , and I'm addicted to diet pop! I'm trying to give up, it has 0 calories/carbs... So why do I keep hearing it will,prevent weight loss????
It will not prevent weight loss, as the calories are negligible. If you enjoy it and it helps you meet your goals, definitely keep drinking it.
Just be sure and care for your teeth!
If you have to take care of one of the hardest parts of your body (teeth), I can't even imagine what it's doing to your soft organs inside your body?
Well any acidic food is going to have an effect on your teeth. When it hits the even stronger acid in your stomach, the soda is going to change completely.
Also if people would take the time to learn some basic chemistry, maybe they wouldn't scare themselves about dangers that don't exist.
Ok, so what does diet soda become when mixed with stomach acid?
Not trying to start a debate, but this is an angle I don't think has ever been covered. I'm not a scientist so I would like to know.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »HardcoreP0rk wrote: »I think diet soda would be ok if it were like a once a day thing... but dont drink obscene quantities of the stuff as if it's as innocuous as water. Having no calories and no carbs doens't make it water.
You're right, it's only about 90% water.
lol... well, there are plenty of things that are 90% water that I wont be drinking any time soon. Like windex.0 -
I personally don't like soda because of how bloated it makes me. I have been told diet soda is worse. If I do give in and have a soda, I get bottled made locally. Still bad for you, but I feel like at least I am doing some good by buying local! 0
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Every once in awhile I have a diet soda; Diet Coke is pretty good ice cold and with rum. However, just like I wouldn't want to make a habit of throwing a shot of rum into my beverages, I wouldn't want to overdo the diet soda either. A little isn't likely to be bad for you, but a lot probably will be over the long term.0
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HardcoreP0rk wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »HardcoreP0rk wrote: »I think diet soda would be ok if it were like a once a day thing... but dont drink obscene quantities of the stuff as if it's as innocuous as water. Having no calories and no carbs doens't make it water.
You're right, it's only about 90% water.
lol... well, there are plenty of things that are 90% water that I wont be drinking any time soon. Like windex.
If Windex wasn't poison, I'm sure one could hydrate themselves with it just fine.
Diet soda is not poison, so that argument doesn't really hold any water (ha-ha).0
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