The 3 BEST exercises for your shoulders
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lishie_rebooted wrote: »niick_at_niight wrote: »There is no over head press and lateral raises....you put kipping pull ups and I didn't take your information as credible....
Did you read the article
He's a newbie, of course not. lol.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I have pretty bad shoulders (multiple AC dislocations, a full dislocation, and a couple of subluxation dislocations from rugby and cycling), so I need to be careful what I do. Generally, behind the neck pressing is a bad idea for me, as are dips, upright rows, and wide grip pull ups. Thankfully overhead pressing and chins are still OK.
man, if you could not overhead press that would totally suck …
i hear you on having to be careful ...
Yeah. That would be rubbish. I like barbell overhead pressing - it's one of those exercise where the first few reps are pretty easy and then... BANG! Total grind.
ha! I know what you mean ….I do mine as part of my heavy 4x5 routine..and the first two to three I am like "oh yea, I go this" and then the last two I am struggling to get in …
great exercise but it will make you it's b**ch quick….
Yeah. It's the only exercise I do that goes from comfortable to holy **** in the space of one rep. With the others you get a warning as it gets progressively harder. With OHP? Eh... not so much.
true…OHP goes from good to *kitten* in about one rep …
i should make a tee shirt….
Ha ha, I always thought this was just me and my dodgy shoulder...
Oh yeah no, OHP is a real dog when you're tired. My program calls for Clean and Jerk 3x3 once I get to my working weight, then 4x3 front squat, then strict OHP for max reps. It's like... you have got to be kidding me.0 -
foursirius wrote: »foursirius wrote: »Awesome that the article says the opposite. However, even the article is *kitten* since it doesn't link to a study actually validating any of its' claims.
If you're waiting for a study to validate claims of exercise effectiveness, you're going to be waiting a very long time.
There are studies upon studies of the effectiveness of exercises. Especially your main big exercises like a squat. What you tend to see less of are the more obscure exercises. im not sure if one has been done on kipping pullups or not yet.
only after hundreds of thousands (if not more) lifters have shown they're effective, then science tried to catch up to explain the already known effectiveness. lol.
come on.0 -
However, then there couldn't be claims of 60 pull ups during a competition. That impacts tv viewership.herrspoons wrote: »Kipping pull ups are used by crossfit competitors to get numbers up and idiot instructors to put their clients into a clinic.
If the crossfit federations changed the rules to dead hang only this would change.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I have pretty bad shoulders (multiple AC dislocations, a full dislocation, and a couple of subluxation dislocations from rugby and cycling), so I need to be careful what I do. Generally, behind the neck pressing is a bad idea for me, as are dips, upright rows, and wide grip pull ups. Thankfully overhead pressing and chins are still OK.
man, if you could not overhead press that would totally suck …
i hear you on having to be careful ...
Yeah. That would be rubbish. I like barbell overhead pressing - it's one of those exercise where the first few reps are pretty easy and then... BANG! Total grind.
ha! I know what you mean ….I do mine as part of my heavy 4x5 routine..and the first two to three I am like "oh yea, I go this" and then the last two I am struggling to get in …
great exercise but it will make you it's b**ch quick….
Yeah. It's the only exercise I do that goes from comfortable to holy **** in the space of one rep. With the others you get a warning as it gets progressively harder. With OHP? Eh... not so much.
true…OHP goes from good to *kitten* in about one rep …
i should make a tee shirt….
Ha ha, I always thought this was just me and my dodgy shoulder...
Oh yeah no, OHP is a real dog when you're tired. My program calls for Clean and Jerk 3x3 once I get to my working weight, then 4x3 front squat, then strict OHP for max reps. It's like... you have got to be kidding me.
I'm tired reading that. I can't imagine doing that.0 -
lishie_rebooted wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I have pretty bad shoulders (multiple AC dislocations, a full dislocation, and a couple of subluxation dislocations from rugby and cycling), so I need to be careful what I do. Generally, behind the neck pressing is a bad idea for me, as are dips, upright rows, and wide grip pull ups. Thankfully overhead pressing and chins are still OK.
man, if you could not overhead press that would totally suck …
i hear you on having to be careful ...
Yeah. That would be rubbish. I like barbell overhead pressing - it's one of those exercise where the first few reps are pretty easy and then... BANG! Total grind.
ha! I know what you mean ….I do mine as part of my heavy 4x5 routine..and the first two to three I am like "oh yea, I go this" and then the last two I am struggling to get in …
great exercise but it will make you it's b**ch quick….
Yeah. It's the only exercise I do that goes from comfortable to holy **** in the space of one rep. With the others you get a warning as it gets progressively harder. With OHP? Eh... not so much.
true…OHP goes from good to *kitten* in about one rep …
i should make a tee shirt….
Ha ha, I always thought this was just me and my dodgy shoulder...
Oh yeah no, OHP is a real dog when you're tired. My program calls for Clean and Jerk 3x3 once I get to my working weight, then 4x3 front squat, then strict OHP for max reps. It's like... you have got to be kidding me.
I'm tired reading that. I can't imagine doing that.
My first workout, I read all the weights and for some reason... made the newbie mistake of "Oh, those are the weights I should add to the bar." Not total weight. >_<
3x3 C&J at 60kg is really a grind. lol.0 -
lishie_rebooted wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I have pretty bad shoulders (multiple AC dislocations, a full dislocation, and a couple of subluxation dislocations from rugby and cycling), so I need to be careful what I do. Generally, behind the neck pressing is a bad idea for me, as are dips, upright rows, and wide grip pull ups. Thankfully overhead pressing and chins are still OK.
man, if you could not overhead press that would totally suck …
i hear you on having to be careful ...
Yeah. That would be rubbish. I like barbell overhead pressing - it's one of those exercise where the first few reps are pretty easy and then... BANG! Total grind.
ha! I know what you mean ….I do mine as part of my heavy 4x5 routine..and the first two to three I am like "oh yea, I go this" and then the last two I am struggling to get in …
great exercise but it will make you it's b**ch quick….
Yeah. It's the only exercise I do that goes from comfortable to holy **** in the space of one rep. With the others you get a warning as it gets progressively harder. With OHP? Eh... not so much.
true…OHP goes from good to *kitten* in about one rep …
i should make a tee shirt….
Ha ha, I always thought this was just me and my dodgy shoulder...
Oh yeah no, OHP is a real dog when you're tired. My program calls for Clean and Jerk 3x3 once I get to my working weight, then 4x3 front squat, then strict OHP for max reps. It's like... you have got to be kidding me.
I'm tired reading that. I can't imagine doing that.
My first workout, I read all the weights and for some reason... made the newbie mistake of "Oh, those are the weights I should add to the bar." Not total weight. >_<
3x3 C&J at 60kg is really a grind. lol.
Lol good job0 -
Once I get technique down it will be a warmup, but dude... straight no knowledge how to c&j, and putting that up. That 3rd set was like... nnnnhnnnn... KILL ME.0
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foursirius wrote: »foursirius wrote: »Im not arguherrspoons wrote: »foursirius wrote: »foursirius wrote: »Awesome that the article says the opposite. However, even the article is *kitten* since it doesn't link to a study actually validating any of its' claims.
This is a bad attitude to have. There is a lot of bs concluded from studies and a lot of valuable lessons to be learned from meatheads with no education and a lot of years under a barbell.
This is a great attitude to have. Asking to see a linked study to backup claims is more than reasonable. At that point i can read the study and make my own decisions. The health and fitness industry is overlaoded with crap with no basis behind it. You keep believing claims that come out with no evidence and I'll keep questioning what I'm reading.
The problem is that these exercises are relatively new to the general population, having been driven by the explosion in crossfit and MMA style training over the past few years. As such there aren't a lot of studies because it's difficult to assess long term damage over such a relatively short period of time. In time there will be studies supporting these assertions. Unfortunately, that's 5-10 years away.
However, as I've mentioned, every physio and sports scientist that I've met is of the opinion these exercises are mechanically unsound. It's up to you if you want to destroy your shoulders waiting for evidence that proves them right.
Im not arguing that they aren't bad exercises im saying that an article stating something as fact with no evidence is my issue. If that's an opiniom thats cool but just make sure it's represented in that way.
To the other person saying that science is behind broscience of course it is. The point is that you have to validate a claim which takes time, but that's the inherent value behind it.
Im a standard 5x5 lifting kind of guy so I'm not really one to try these odd exercises nor claim their greatness, but do like to see evidence to backup claims.
if you think there is any benefit to kipping pull-ups then I would love to hear your breakdown of how they are better than a strand pull up…..
I can not nor do I think they have any advantages over a standard pull up. I don't do them.
just curious if you had an explanation …
because no one has ever been able to tell me what it is..
it just seems like a way to cheat and get in a lot of pull-ups…but I could be wrong...
I'd like to add in here that if you stop thinking about kipping to the bar as a pull up- it kind of eliminates a lot of the confusion about it being a cheated pull up.
It becomes it's own exercise. kind of like a clean- it's LIKE a clean and jerk- but it's not a clean and jerk.0 -
I'd agree with that, it's separate, like the push press is not a cheated overhead press.0
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you know, every time I get a notification from people posting on this thread, I immediately think to myself, what did some rando mod warn me about now?0
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snicker.
Perhaps you should put yourself in time out first- save you the effort!
no don't do that- I'd miss you.0
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