Fruits are too sugary and bad for weight loss?
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BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
I just love the demonization of whole foods...
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brittany_812 wrote: »One of the biggest benefits of going low carb (ie. avoiding fruits, breads, pasta, etc) is that your body takes longer to digest fats, meaning you feel full longer, and your cravings for sugar is reduced. Sugar is an addictive substance, and when you cut sugar (natural unprocessed sugars included) for a sufficient amount of time, your cravings stop.
Anecdotally addictive, or biologically? That is a serious question. My kids are constantly trying to get candy, asking every time we go to the store if they get something. Same way with their phones for games- they implode when they lose them for any amount of time. I think both woukd fit in the same category...they create endorphins, and that makes people happy. But does it happen on a molecular level, or is it just a Pavlov's Dog scenario?0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss or delay-cancer and cancer symptoms, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
Of course. It could be for economical reasons that they want you to just take a pill for whatever you got. I mean, it just costs ya $4. Heck, take 6 of em.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.0 -
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RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
That's the word I was looking for! It's been a long day.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss or delay-cancer and cancer symptoms, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
Of course. It could be for economical reasons that they want you to just take a pill for whatever you got. I mean, it just costs ya $4. Heck, take 6 of em.
Oh boy...
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http://m.jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/11/02/jnci.djs399.abstractRockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
http://contemporaryobgyn.modernmedicine.com/contemporary-obgyn/content/tags/breast-cancer/cutting-carbs-may-reduce-igf1-breast-cancer-recurrence?page=full
To start...I got soccer. Gotta go.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss or delay-cancer and cancer symptoms, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
Of course. It could be for economical reasons that they want you to just take a pill for whatever you got. I mean, it just costs ya $4. Heck, take 6 of em.
Yes,please post the clinical studies that show this....0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg0 -
Health Benefits of Fruit and vegetables
"Regular consumption of fruit and vegetables is associated with reduced risks of cancer, cardiovascular disease, stroke, Alzheimer disease, cataracts, and some of the functional declines associated with aging. Prevention is a more effective strategy than is treatment of chronic diseases." (also on pubmed but this is easier to read)0 -
I eat TONS of fruit. It makes good dessert.0
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Some things make me sad... posts about evil milk that has sugar in it, posts about evil fruit that has sugar in it, posts that say no sugar! A world with no fruit, sugar or milk allowed is a world I don't want to live in.0
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RockstarWilson wrote: »
http://m.jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/11/02/jnci.djs399.abstractRockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
http://contemporaryobgyn.modernmedicine.com/contemporary-obgyn/content/tags/breast-cancer/cutting-carbs-may-reduce-igf1-breast-cancer-recurrence?page=full
To start...I got soccer. Gotta go.
First one was self reporting and they attributed to overall energy balance and glycemic index rather than simply carbohydrate intake (your link didn't have the full conclusion).
Second one was only relevant to women who have tissue that is positive for insulin-like growth factor-I (which is actually a result of eating a high protein diet).
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BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?0 -
glfernandes828 wrote: »I've read a lot of articles lately that say that fruits really aren't that great of a food to eat when trying to lose weight because despite the vitamins, they are filled with sugar and if you are trying to loose weight, you should keep your fruit consumption at a minimum.
This sucks cuz I loooove all fruits so much. But since reading those articles I've chosen to only eat fruits as meal replacers or snacks in between very spread apart meals.
What are your opinions and facts you know about fruits?
Stop reading articles.0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Your body won't store fat in a calorie deficit.0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.0 -
That's a whole lot of no.BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
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Omg. It's fruit. Nature's nipples or something. Rejoice.0
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BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.
yea, and there are hundreds of studies showing a regular diet or high protein diet is the same as a low carb diet…
so lets not even start on the low carb/keto is superior BS….but feel free to post said studies, as there always seems to be some nugget that is overlooked when people make blanket statements like you do.
so you are saying that if I consume enough sugar, eat in a calorie deficit, that I would gain weight, because insulin?
There are plenty of things that humans should not consume a lot of, mercury comes to mind, so now you are just making a straw man argument.
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RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
That's the word I was looking for! It's been a long day.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share0 -
Eat within your macros (there are topics on here about how to set up your macros). Earlier on I ate mostly berries and apples (for my fruits), I still eat a lot of berries and not quite as many apples, but I eat bananas all the time for potassium (to help prevent water retention since I lift). Fruits are good things.0
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If you want science, take a look at The China Study. Low-carb and other protein-heavy diets can't show the same anti-cancer, anti-heart disease results as a plant-based diet. It is a huge study by certified nutritionists who did not expect to find what they did. Whole foods are good, including whole fruits of every kind.
http://www.socakajak-klub.si/mma/The+China+Study.pdf/20111116065942/0 -
No. Fruit has fiber and not many calories, and also it tastes awesome.
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BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.
Nobody here is saying to go low fat. We are saying that balance of all macros is best, but the number one factor in fat loss is calorie deficit. If that means eating fruit works for you then eat fruit. (Low fat is a horrible idea because we need fat for metabolic activity)
You will store fat temporarily, but that is completely irrelevant to the entire thing if you are in a deficit. Any fat you store will be used to replace the quick energy stores that will be used. It's like the whole idea of the "fat burning zone", you may burn slightly more fat in that time, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter because your body returns to it's preferred balance.0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share
i meant clinical studies showing that eating low carb leads to curing cancer….
Please show me a study of x amount of cancer patients that ate low carb, with zero drugs, and are cured of cancer.
as a cancer survivor I would love to know that I would of just cut out carbs and been cured rather than doing six months of chemo and a month of radiation ...0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
That's the word I was looking for! It's been a long day.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share
First and last links I refuse to open because they aren't science, they are articles.
I don't even know the point of your middle one because it compared ketogenic diets against each other and if the OP likes fruit that much a ketogenic diet is not appropriate for them.0 -
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