Fruits are too sugary and bad for weight loss?
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I'm thinking of doing the Tin Foil Hat Diet (tm) and cutting out all fruit. Has anyone tried this? No criticism please.0
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BritDillinger wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share
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BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Fructose does not stimulate insulin production.
Truth.
And that graph is awful.
Btw, on the fructose and glucose discussion - while fructose does not stimulate insulin secretion, it does result in circulating ghrelin increases. It may impact long-term regulation of energy balance, as at least one study has suggested a possible hunger and metabolic mechanism to weight gain and obesity with long term high fructose consumption.
This doesn't mean don't eat fruit. It does mean don't get the majority of your calories from HFCS.
Fruit usually have a close to 1:1 ratio of Fructose/Glucose (range is 2 (apples) to 0.5) and a variety of sucrose. The questbar eating/no fruitarian poster really doesn't seem to understand what a fruit is.
Eliminating fruit from a overall diet is not a generally good idea.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »brittany_812 wrote: »One of the biggest benefits of going low carb (ie. avoiding fruits, breads, pasta, etc) is that your body takes longer to digest fats, meaning you feel full longer, and your cravings for sugar is reduced. Sugar is an addictive substance, and when you cut sugar (natural unprocessed sugars included) for a sufficient amount of time, your cravings stop.
Anecdotally addictive, or biologically? That is a serious question. My kids are constantly trying to get candy, asking every time we go to the store if they get something. Same way with their phones for games- they implode when they lose them for any amount of time. I think both woukd fit in the same category...they create endorphins, and that makes people happy. But does it happen on a molecular level, or is it just a Pavlov's Dog scenario?
There have been some studies that show that sugar triggers the same neurochemical pathways as some illegal drugs but thos does not necessarily mean it is addictive so the case has not yet been proven.
Sorry, on phone so no links but Google neurochemical pathways of sugar and you'll find a few hits.
Fruit sugars are different to table sugar and I am not sure that fruit sugars were included in the study.0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Sugar alcohols are metabolized. Not completely but they do metoblize.
Fructose does not spike insulin.
I just don't understand why you say to limit fruit.BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.
No you will not store fat in an overall deficit. Its about peaks and valleys.
Diabetics are recommended to limit fruit intake because of its affect on blood insulin and glucose levels.0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.
Protein is insulinogenic.
It's also not dependent on whether or not you "exceed your protein macro".
It's not like your beta cells say "wait, ignore the 60g of protein guys, her macro is set to 75g, don't produce insulin yet".
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf
That's because your cells are beta. Mine are alpha. They say, "Bro, you're coming up on your protein macro. Chill." Sometimes, they even recommend that I up my protein macro. "Yo, let's up that sumb#tch to 300 grams. We want some more steak."0 -
christinev297 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »On a serious note, this is usually what happens to people who go for 'natural' treatments when cancer is diagnosed.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/01/jessica-ainscough-australia-wellness-warrior-dies-cancer-aged-30
so sad
What is terribly sad is that the quackery she promoted has probably hurt a lot of people.
Her personal journey was her choice, I do have some sympathy but I also recognize that she chose not to have the amputation - probably had a lot to do with her death. Of course, it's much harder to make a wellness career out of a successful amputation than out of lying about a "successful" but completely useless diet. Coffee enemas to cure cancer? Really?
She died of stupidstition. And she promoted it.0 -
I eat a banana just about every day and try to have at least one other fruit as well, sometimes more.
I've lost 102 lbs since June 5th.
Fruit isn't hurting my weight loss at all.
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I did low-carb, became an evangelist and bought the t-shirt. I spent a lot of time on low-carb and paleo websites. I thought it was an alternative to counting calories as long as I was listening to my hunger signals.
Have any of you heard about orthorexia. Orthorexia nervosa (also known as orthorexia) is a proposed eating disorder or mental disorder[1] characterized by an extreme or excessive preoccupation with avoiding foods perceived to be unhealthy. Source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa
Well I was heading there. Food became a major stress factor, I wasn't losing weight as fast as I could and eating out and being invited somewhere became a major stress factors. And that's without considering the bowel issues and the irregular periods.
The bottom line is, fruits are delicious, starches are delicious, wheat is delicious, alcohol is awesome. Eating them again and grains make my life easier.
Life is complicated enough already. Fruits are excellent for your health and make a awesome desert. Fruits that are longer to eat (like grapefruit) are giving me enough time to finish my meals without feeling like binging.0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.
Here is used Google
The guy on the right eats unlimited fruit and has for years, the guy on the left is the other extreme a proponent of nuttyK (nutritional ketosis) diet. Both of theses guys are the result of their extreme long term diets. Gotta love google.
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sheldonklein wrote: »I'm thinking of doing the Tin Foil Hat Diet (tm) and cutting out all fruit. Has anyone tried this? No criticism please.
I used to grill bananas and brown sugar wrapped in tin foil. Therefore, you can safely include fruit in a healthy tin foil diet.
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I don't think I could ever live with out my rasberries and blueberries.0 -
Sorry, low carbers but cancer isn't caused by carbs or cured by cutting carbs. If you were eating too much including carbs than eating less carbs to get to a healthy weight is good for helping to prevent all sorts of illnesses including cancer but the same could be said for protein if that is what your eating way too much of. The majority of specialist (medical doctors and nutritionist) advise folks with cancer to eat a well balanced diet with an emphasis on whole food (with fibre) including fruits and vegetables and yes, healthy fats and proteins are also good for you. My partner has been dealing with cancer and hasn't had to have surgery or chemo (some of this is pure luck) but has been exercising and following a balanced diet. Naturally we have been seeking a lot of advice and not a single cancer expert has said to cut out carbs, fruit or promoted silliness like coconut oil pulling as a cure. People with real problems just don't have time for this. Of course if you have a allergy or illness that says you shouldn't do X, then don't do it. However, do not start saying that everyone is delusional about what is healthy and good practice for the majority of folks. I know you are not doctors but the adage, at first do no harm, is appropriate for all of us.0
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