Low carb rules!
Onlythetruth
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More and more evidence keeps coming out. It's no wonder the LCHF lifestyle is popular, for both weight loss and health reasons.
http://smashthefat.com/science/
http://smashthefat.com/science/
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I believe that reducing carb is the way to go and not elimination or very low. I'm a self proclaimed carb a holic. I love pasta and bread. Yum. But I know that I have to be very cautious when I eat them because it's easy for me to go overboard. There's not as many nutrients in pasta as an equivalent calorie amount of say green beans. So I have to be carb conscious. But that's me and my life. I tried the very low carb for a while and I was mean. And when I finally lost control, I went carb crazy. Elimination is usually not the answer. At least for me. I'm lucky that candy doesn't appeal to me. But if it did, I would get something like snickers bites. I would freeze them, so if I wanted one, I have to take it out and wait for it to thaw before I could eat it. Eliminates mindless snacking.0
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Everyone I know that did lchf has failed long term. They are larger now than ever. If you can't eat that way for the rest of your life, it's difficult to sustain.
I'll keep eating my yummy carbs and losing lots of weight like I have been. And when I'm done losing, I am already eating a normal diet without any restrictions other than staying in maintenance calories.
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I'm not a huge fan of low carb, but I do incorporate it if I've had a few gluttonous days, bring those glycogen stores back down. But aside from this, there's rarely any time I'll ever go low carb, unless I decide to compete in a sport which requires lower bf percentage
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Most people I know that tried low carb failed because they did things like completely eliminate bread for months without finding any substitutes or lower carb options. If you substitute your grains and high carb foods for healthier options, you may be able to see success in the long run. Personally I am loving flax seed pita bread (but I'm not on a low carb).0
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When protein intake is matched(control for confounding variables?) then the results are nothing special. As soon as protein is controlled for, the "advantage" of LC diets magically disappears.
You're really comparing low protein to a high protein diet.
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No thanks. I enjoy being healthy, fit, full of energy and eating food I like.
Being popular is a poor reason to choose a diet. Long term adherence would be a better reason and if that's LCHF for you then go for it but saying "low carb rules" with no context is just as silly as if someone posts "high carb rules" because it suits them.0 -
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I had a really hard time losing weight without going low carb! I spent hours in the gym with hardly any results! So last spring I did the Ideal Protein Diet for six weeks. I did not have many issues gaining the weight back. As long as I followed my maintenance plan and remember to be really good after a bad day!0
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I will go through all 12 studies soon. I did do 2 so farOnlythetruth wrote: »
1 - Difference in weight was stated to be water weight from depleted glycogen levels. That's obviously different that fat.
2 - After 1 year the difference in the 2 groups was significant and both groups had poor adherence.
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There is nothing "magic" in low carb. Initial weight loss seems superior....but it's water weight.
Unless someone has a medical reason for a low carb lifestyle, long term adherence is going to be an issue. No way would I do low carb for life.
As far "a larger percentage of the population".....I can believe this. Type 2 diabetes is much more prevalent now.0 -
I will add my comment because the low carb depends on how low carb you go. Really low carb is 25 to 50 a day...ketosis..
I would say low carb would be 70 to 100 perhaps which is still low depending on your calorie requirement. I was getting 120 to 160 a day and it was a bit too high for me which was moderate amount/normal range for my calories..
I cut to 80 to 100 not to just do low carb, but eating higher amounts did not suit the way I felt after eating this much and it may be because of my exercising and my goals..
The way we eat in my household, it is almost impossible to go lower than 80 because we do like to eat a certain way.. but we have divided the carbs throughout the day and avoid eating a lot of carbs in one sitting..
The carb issue is a personal choice depending on a lot of variations and only a couple that I mentioned.0 -
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Onlythetruth wrote: »More and more evidence keeps coming out. It's no wonder the LCHF lifestyle is popular, for both weight loss and health reasons.
http://smashthefat.com/science/
Yet another person claiming what works for some people must be THE way to lose weight. Just bore off and go and low carb yourself into oblivion somewhere else.-3 -
I will go through all 12 studies soon. I did do 2 so farOnlythetruth wrote: »
1 - Difference in weight was stated to be water weight from depleted glycogen levels. That's obviously different that fat.
2 - After 1 year the difference in the 2 groups was significant and both groups had poor adherence.
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There is nothing "magic" in low carb. Initial weight loss seems superior....but it's water weight.
Unless someone has a medical reason for a low carb lifestyle, long term adherence is going to be an issue. No way would I do low carb for life.
As far "a larger percentage of the population".....I can believe this. Type 2 diabetes is much more prevalent now.
Long term adherence of any diet is generally and issue (for most).
There's no way I could count calories or do moderation for life, so in our study of two the results are about 50 / 50.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »
I know you were joking. Hence the passive response.
Also, knock it off with the compliments. I told you not to disturb our Feng Shui.
I know it feels like an episode of the twilight zone!!
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Low-carb can be a useful tool for those who need help creating a calorie deficit without feeling as hungry. Because of the way our bodies process different macronutrients, fat and protein tend to give that satiated feeling for longer. Also, grain related carbs tend to be the most calorie dense, so reducing the amount of rice, bread, pasta, etc a person eats and replacing with vegetables (still carb loaded, but with lots of fiber, so usually a very low net-carb) will allow them to eat more volume for the same amount of calories, also leading to feeling fuller and more satisfied.
It's still all about CICO. I wouldn't ever bash someone who tries to eat lower carb, I know I TRY to, but I don't work myself up over it. It's simply another tool a person can use to lose the weight they need to lose.0 -
Why does anyone need to harp on this way is better than that? Do you. Low carb works for me. I had gestational diabetes with my second child due largely to my age (35) when I had him. Gestational diabetes puts me at a much greater risk for Type II - which also runs in my family - even among the healthiest members (my 55 year old aunt runs marathons - and has Type II). Do what works for you.
There is evidence to support all kinds of 'diets', but in the end, it's personal. CICO and IIFYM don't work as well for me. They work, just not as quickly - probably because of my former issues with insulin and needing to lose some weight. I like to see the scale tick down daily - it's motivating for me. Low carb/ketosis does that for me.
As for the case for water weight - yes initially, that is true. But I don't have 50 lbs of water on me. Ultimately, low carb is still a caloric restriction. I still count my calories and stay under 1400 calories and 50 g carb. If I'm not counting carbs, I need to restrict to 1000 - 1200 to lose a pound a week. By reducing my carbs, for whatever reason, I'm able to eat more and lose more. Believe me, I've tinkered with the numbers and it took me awhile to get here. I prefer an IIFYM approach because I don't like elimination diets, but the numbers don't lie for ME. Again, it works for ME. Do what works for YOU and don't worry about others.0 -
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AmazonMayan wrote: »Everyone I know that did lchf has failed long term. They are larger now than ever. If you can't eat that way for the rest of your life, it's difficult to sustain.
I'll keep eating my yummy carbs and losing lots of weight like I have been. And when I'm done losing, I am already eating a normal diet without any restrictions other than staying in maintenance calories.
My mother was over weight most her life. She started LCHF in 2004 and lost 50 pounds and became a healthy weight. 11 years later she still is doing LCHF and still a healthy weight. She does plan to eat like this the rest of her life and it doesn't bother her.0 -
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I eat taco bell quite often and the pounds keep melting off. I'm glad you've found something that works for you and that you're excited about but it's certainly not for everyone and even for those who find early success with it, I have my doubts that they are able to continue for very long.0
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Asher_Ethan wrote: »AmazonMayan wrote: »Everyone I know that did lchf has failed long term. They are larger now than ever. If you can't eat that way for the rest of your life, it's difficult to sustain.
I'll keep eating my yummy carbs and losing lots of weight like I have been. And when I'm done losing, I am already eating a normal diet without any restrictions other than staying in maintenance calories.
My mother was over weight most her life. She started LCHF in 2004 and lost 50 pounds and became a healthy weight. 11 years later she still is doing LCHF and still a healthy weight. She does plan to eat like this the rest of her life and it doesn't bother her.
That's wonderful for her.. It's exactly my point that the change has to last. Unfortunately a lot lose on low carb, then go back to how they prefer to eat and gain it all back.
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Why does anyone need to harp on this way is better than that? Do you. Low carb works for me. I had gestational diabetes with my second child due largely to my age (35) when I had him. Gestational diabetes puts me at a much greater risk for Type II - which also runs in my family - even among the healthiest members (my 55 year old aunt runs marathons - and has Type II). Do what works for you.
There is evidence to support all kinds of 'diets', but in the end, it's personal. CICO and IIFYM don't work as well for me. They work, just not as quickly - probably because of my former issues with insulin and needing to lose some weight. I like to see the scale tick down daily - it's motivating for me. Low carb/ketosis does that for me.
As for the case for water weight - yes initially, that is true. But I don't have 50 lbs of water on me. Ultimately, low carb is still a caloric restriction. I still count my calories and stay under 1400 calories and 50 g carb. If I'm not counting carbs, I need to restrict to 1000 - 1200 to lose a pound a week. By reducing my carbs, for whatever reason, I'm able to eat more and lose more. Believe me, I've tinkered with the numbers and it took me awhile to get here. I prefer an IIFYM approach because I don't like elimination diets, but the numbers don't lie for ME. Again, it works for ME. Do what works for YOU and don't worry about others.
No need to get upset and shout.
You might eat more and lose more but more volume doesn't automatically mean more calories.
If you need to reduce calories to 1000 to lose weight then maybe you should go see a doctor.
You do lose water weight but also take into consideration that when we go from obese to healthy we do lose some lbm, it's a given, because our bodies adapted by adding more of it to carry our obese bodies around.
Now, back to reading my studies.
First - not shouting. *emphasis* I do track my calories and I do eat more. I know I can eat 1400 IIFYM and not lose weight. I know (again lots of trial and error here) I can eat 1200 IIFYM and barely lose during the course of a week. I know that I can eat 1400 cals in ketosis and lose. I've done this all under the advice and monitoring of an endocrinologist and nutritionist to determine what I need to do to lose weight. I've had my thyroid tested, I've been tested for every autoimmune disease under the sun, PCOS, etc. So thanks for the advice to see a doctor. I wouldn't have thought of that.
These forums are just sad - people jumping each other's shiz. It shouldn't matter how you get there, just that you're trying to get there. People need to get over this idea that because something worked for them, it should work for everyone. I would never suggest keto is right for everyone. It's right for me and my biology. Everyone should mind their own business and think carefully about whether or not they have anything of 'value' to offer a conversation or if they're just piling on for sport.0 -
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