The Truth About Calories.
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MFP - From calorie misinformation to housework duties in less than three pages.0
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mamapeach910 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »My main issues were the continual reference to 2000 Kcal as a person's requirements, as this is merely an average, and a bad one at that, plus the fudging of activity levels. Clearly cleaning a house for four hours burns more than aerobic exercise for one. I'd wager most people don't spend four hours every day cleaning the house though.
It was way too simplistic to be of any use.
I want to know how these people cleaned. Most people flick a dust rag around a push a vaccum, wipe down the surfaces in the bathroom, then swish the toilet bowls clean.
This is not a great effort, unless maybe you're moving heavy furniture vacuuming, and even then, it's not a sustained thing like aerobics.
I can see bored housewives everywhere, flicking feather dusters "feeling the burn".
I'd hate to see what those houses looks like. Not saying I claim to burn a ton of calories when I clean the house, but I do a hell of a lot more than flick a feather duster around and wipe a few surfaces down.
I think the amount of effort you have to put into cleaning depends on how often you clean. I clean almost every day, so there's not really all that much effort needed to keep on top of it.
I agree that DEEP cleaning is a different matter.
And please, the outrage over me using "bored housewives". I am one. Spare me the PC brigade. I'm was making a sarcastically veiled reference to the way information like this dribbles down to the general public through a sensationalist press and how excuse makers assimilate it. It becomes... HOUSEWORK BURNS MORE CALORIES THAN AEROBICS... and people think they can flick a Swiffer around for 15 minutes and earn enough calories to burn off 3 donuts.
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I'm with you. There's a difference between straightening up your house and actually cleaning it. Whenever I hear people say cleaning isn't work I assume their houses are dirty. lol Wrong, I'm sure, but that's what always crosses my mind.mamapeach910 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »My main issues were the continual reference to 2000 Kcal as a person's requirements, as this is merely an average, and a bad one at that, plus the fudging of activity levels. Clearly cleaning a house for four hours burns more than aerobic exercise for one. I'd wager most people don't spend four hours every day cleaning the house though.
It was way too simplistic to be of any use.
I want to know how these people cleaned. Most people flick a dust rag around a push a vaccum, wipe down the surfaces in the bathroom, then swish the toilet bowls clean.
This is not a great effort, unless maybe you're moving heavy furniture vacuuming, and even then, it's not a sustained thing like aerobics.
I can see bored housewives everywhere, flicking feather dusters "feeling the burn".
Everyone is different, but when I clean, I CLEAN. Feather duster my Aunt Tilly. <snip>
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vitaminski wrote: »Oh dear what have I done? I was just referring to myself when it came to the chips, chocolate and cheesecake as I love them all and need a bit of motivation to eat less and found the programme motivational. As I said if you don't find this helpful to you am sure there is something out there that is. To each their own.
I know "for me", that when I start eating chips, chocolate and cheesecake, I start to crave them more and be hungry more. I will most likely and have eaten those things (in particularly chips), but it has become rare now. I ate Chinese food two weeks ago and kept going back for more. At bite here, a bite there. I could not stop thinking that there was still more in the little boxes in the fridge. I went back to the way I am eating now over the past 4 days and found myself not being hungry.
I will treat myself to what I want. The point for me is that I don't want to crave the foods that will keep me from feeling satiated.
At this point, a raw mushroom, tomato, cooked spinach with egg, protein (only lean if I want more of it, because I do eat fat), whole mayo, but leveled tbsp. (100 calories per) etc... IDK for other people, but it works for me and is better than a diet pill. After 4 days of eating this way, I don't crave the Chinese anymore. I will eat Chinese food, of course, but I know I will get cravings and it will take a bit of effort to get back on track. I will wait till maintenance to do it now and then only on occasion, because it will trigger my hunger senses.
I will have treat days in the future, but for now I don't even want to remember what that food tastes like, so I can stay with my plan and not crave.
Again, this is how my appetite seems to be working. I don't want to be thinking about food all day and chips, chocolate and cheesecake seems to trigger me to eat more.
I know that cico is key. I just don't want to suffer thinking about food.
Anyway, I'm my own experiment so I like these threads and find them helpful.
Thank you OP!
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mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »My main issues were the continual reference to 2000 Kcal as a person's requirements, as this is merely an average, and a bad one at that, plus the fudging of activity levels. Clearly cleaning a house for four hours burns more than aerobic exercise for one. I'd wager most people don't spend four hours every day cleaning the house though.
It was way too simplistic to be of any use.
I want to know how these people cleaned. Most people flick a dust rag around a push a vaccum, wipe down the surfaces in the bathroom, then swish the toilet bowls clean.
This is not a great effort, unless maybe you're moving heavy furniture vacuuming, and even then, it's not a sustained thing like aerobics.
I can see bored housewives everywhere, flicking feather dusters "feeling the burn".
I'd hate to see what those houses looks like. Not saying I claim to burn a ton of calories when I clean the house, but I do a hell of a lot more than flick a feather duster around and wipe a few surfaces down.
I think the amount of effort you have to put into cleaning depends on how often you clean. I clean almost every day, so it's not really all that much effort needed to keep on top of it.
I clean every day. Most days, normal maintenance stuff and then on designated days, rotation of mopping, vacuuming and so on. Do you have children?
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mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »My main issues were the continual reference to 2000 Kcal as a person's requirements, as this is merely an average, and a bad one at that, plus the fudging of activity levels. Clearly cleaning a house for four hours burns more than aerobic exercise for one. I'd wager most people don't spend four hours every day cleaning the house though.
It was way too simplistic to be of any use.
I want to know how these people cleaned. Most people flick a dust rag around a push a vaccum, wipe down the surfaces in the bathroom, then swish the toilet bowls clean.
This is not a great effort, unless maybe you're moving heavy furniture vacuuming, and even then, it's not a sustained thing like aerobics.
I can see bored housewives everywhere, flicking feather dusters "feeling the burn".
I'd hate to see what those houses looks like. Not saying I claim to burn a ton of calories when I clean the house, but I do a hell of a lot more than flick a feather duster around and wipe a few surfaces down.
I think the amount of effort you have to put into cleaning depends on how often you clean. I clean almost every day, so it's not really all that much effort needed to keep on top of it.
I clean every day. Most days, normal maintenance stuff and then on designated days, rotation of mopping, vacuuming and so on. Do you have children?
Yup, but they're not little. I don't move furniture except quarterly. Someone else moves it, I have a bad back.
I will say, they vacuum the steps for me. I hate doing that. They also keep their rooms clean. I'm pretty picky about how things are done, so I do most of the actual cleaning, though. They pick up their stuff.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »My main issues were the continual reference to 2000 Kcal as a person's requirements, as this is merely an average, and a bad one at that, plus the fudging of activity levels. Clearly cleaning a house for four hours burns more than aerobic exercise for one. I'd wager most people don't spend four hours every day cleaning the house though.
It was way too simplistic to be of any use.
I want to know how these people cleaned. Most people flick a dust rag around a push a vaccum, wipe down the surfaces in the bathroom, then swish the toilet bowls clean.
This is not a great effort, unless maybe you're moving heavy furniture vacuuming, and even then, it's not a sustained thing like aerobics.
I can see bored housewives everywhere, flicking feather dusters "feeling the burn".
I'd hate to see what those houses looks like. Not saying I claim to burn a ton of calories when I clean the house, but I do a hell of a lot more than flick a feather duster around and wipe a few surfaces down.
I think the amount of effort you have to put into cleaning depends on how often you clean. I clean almost every day, so it's not really all that much effort needed to keep on top of it.
I clean every day. Most days, normal maintenance stuff and then on designated days, rotation of mopping, vacuuming and so on. Do you have children?
Yup, but they're not little. I don't move furniture except quarterly. Someone else moves it, I have a bad back.
I will say, they vacuum the steps for me. I hate doing that. They also keep their rooms clean. I'm pretty picky about how things are done, so I do most of the actual cleaning, though. They pick up their stuff.
My middle son loves to sweep the floor. My husband thinks it's odd (for anybody to like sweeping a floor), as do I, but I secretly kind of dig it.
They pick up their own toys and clothes, absolutely.
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I tried to watch it, I really really did
The presenter was engaging, but it moved at the speed af a reversing heavy freighter and my head was screaming where's the revelations
In the 20 turgid minutes I managed to watch I found out
Average calorie burns for males 2500 and females 2000 - that's an average and little help to me ...my TDEE used to be around 1800 and now it's more like 2200
Packaged foods are out by about + or - 10% calories but they average out over time - yup knew that
And that a scientist can present an armband HRM as a "calorie counter" without mentioning that the formula that underpins that is based on steady-state cardio
I think my personal standards for a documentary might be much higher than that
The take-out I assume is CICO
Also opening sequence and he held up an apple and said 2 of these = 100 calories, same as a banana - weigh the buggers ...my average apple is 72 calories, my average banana more like 1200 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »My main issues were the continual reference to 2000 Kcal as a person's requirements, as this is merely an average, and a bad one at that, plus the fudging of activity levels. Clearly cleaning a house for four hours burns more than aerobic exercise for one. I'd wager most people don't spend four hours every day cleaning the house though.
It was way too simplistic to be of any use.
I want to know how these people cleaned. Most people flick a dust rag around a push a vaccum, wipe down the surfaces in the bathroom, then swish the toilet bowls clean.
This is not a great effort, unless maybe you're moving heavy furniture vacuuming, and even then, it's not a sustained thing like aerobics.
I can see bored housewives everywhere, flicking feather dusters "feeling the burn".
I'd hate to see what those houses looks like. Not saying I claim to burn a ton of calories when I clean the house, but I do a hell of a lot more than flick a feather duster around and wipe a few surfaces down.
I think the amount of effort you have to put into cleaning depends on how often you clean. I clean almost every day, so it's not really all that much effort needed to keep on top of it.
I clean every day. Most days, normal maintenance stuff and then on designated days, rotation of mopping, vacuuming and so on. Do you have children?
Yup, but they're not little. I don't move furniture except quarterly. Someone else moves it, I have a bad back.
I will say, they vacuum the steps for me. I hate doing that. They also keep their rooms clean. I'm pretty picky about how things are done, so I do most of the actual cleaning, though. They pick up their stuff.
My middle son loves to sweep the floor. My husband thinks it's odd (for anybody to like sweeping a floor), as do I, but I secretly kind of dig it.
They pick up their own toys and clothes, absolutely.
Mine used to like to "help" when they were really little. I had a carpet sweeper and small broom and dust pan back then. My son especially loved going after the sliding doors to the backyard with a squirt bottle of water and and a rag.
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No, the bored ones will just flick feather dusters. The unbored ones will go hardcore. What are you looking for?0
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janejellyroll wrote: »
So you didn't watch documentary, you don't know what it says, but you are going to object to it anyway despite not having the facts, and then you are going to claim you only evaluate information on its "accuracy".
Ok then....
:drinker:
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mamapeach910 wrote: »
I want to know how these people cleaned. Most people flick a dust rag around a push a vaccum, wipe down the surfaces in the bathroom, then swish the toilet bowls clean.
Exactly. I know what it feels like to seriously burn calories and I know what an average cleaning feels like. They aren't even comparable.
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When this wife gets bored she heads to the gym, why do the cleaner out of a thankless task?0
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tincanonastring wrote: »
Hubba hubba0 -
So you didn't watch documentary, you don't know what it says, but you are going to object to it anyway despite not having the facts, and then you are going to claim you only evaluate information on its "accuracy".
Ok then....
:drinker:
Did you read my post? I don't object to the documentary. I object to OP's defense of it. Please respond to my actual point of view, not what you would like it to be.
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Hey, someone told me there were some bored wives that are available for cleaning a house. Is true?
It is absolutely true! I am so bored taking care of the house, working my job from home five hours per day, and taking my two kids to their various sports, attending all school functions, IEPs and so on that I am looking for, you know, something to do.
PM me. My rate is $275/hour. More if you want me to move couches.
I am ready when you are.
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janejellyroll wrote: »So you didn't watch documentary, you don't know what it says, but you are going to object to it anyway despite not having the facts, and then you are going to claim you only evaluate information on its "accuracy".
Ok then....
:drinker:
Did you read my post? I don't object to the documentary. I object to OP's defense of it. Please respond to my actual point of view, not what you would like it to be.
That doesn't change a thing. If anything, it deepens the irony.
:drinker:
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janejellyroll wrote: »So you didn't watch documentary, you don't know what it says, but you are going to object to it anyway despite not having the facts, and then you are going to claim you only evaluate information on its "accuracy".
Ok then....
:drinker:
Did you read my post? I don't object to the documentary. I object to OP's defense of it. Please respond to my actual point of view, not what you would like it to be.
That doesn't change a thing. If anything, it deepens the irony.
:drinker:
Ooh you've been paroled
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That doesn't change a thing. If anything, it deepens the irony.
:drinker:
Me not objecting to the documentary doesn't change a thing about your statements accusing me of objecting to the documentary?
So you are determined to let your assessment of me stand regardless of the facts? This seems like it has much more to do with you than it does with me. If my actual statements and beliefs make no difference, then project away.
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slideaway1 wrote: »Hope it helps to keep you away from the chips, chocolate and cheesecake!!!!!"
That's just one of those (stupid, but harmless) things that people say to other people who are dieting because they think it's encouraging.
The OP said that they found the documentary motivational, recommended it to be helpful and then tried to give some "nice" words of encouragement at the end.
Their hearts in the right place.
hollyrayburn wrote: »hollyrayburn wrote: »OP is saying they will never again eat a single bite of cheesecake, not one chip will ever go into their mouth, and will never again experience the taste Of chocolate. Because "a documentary" told her she has to stay away from those things.
Good for them. Me? Imma have a Cadbury egg later.
How are they now? I read that they changed the formula so I haven't tried any this year. Which is probably a good thing, the caramel ones are my kryptonite.
They're still decent. Not as OMG I GOTTA EAT THEM ALL NAO as I recall, but I will not be throwing them away. I'm truly thinking about mixing one into some of my plain Greek. Add some sin to my sensible.
"sin to my sensible" I love that! Is that your quote?
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What's the documentary about? That not all calories are equal? Or that you can eat anything you want because it's all about CICO?
Personally, I believe that weight loss depends on a calorie deficit, and health is gained if you eat nutritious food.
And also, ''bad'' foods are nutritious....... for the soul. ;D0 -
Tl;Dr
Is it a mean people thread yet?0 -
slideaway1 wrote: »Hope it helps to keep you away from the chips, chocolate and cheesecake!!!!!"
That's just one of those (stupid, but harmless) things that people say to other people who are dieting because they think it's encouraging.
The OP said that they found the documentary motivational, recommended it to be helpful and then tried to give some "nice" words of encouragement at the end.
Their hearts in the right place.hollyrayburn wrote: »hollyrayburn wrote: »OP is saying they will never again eat a single bite of cheesecake, not one chip will ever go into their mouth, and will never again experience the taste Of chocolate. Because "a documentary" told her she has to stay away from those things.
Good for them. Me? Imma have a Cadbury egg later.
How are they now? I read that they changed the formula so I haven't tried any this year. Which is probably a good thing, the caramel ones are my kryptonite.
They're still decent. Not as OMG I GOTTA EAT THEM ALL NAO as I recall, but I will not be throwing them away. I'm truly thinking about mixing one into some of my plain Greek. Add some sin to my sensible.
"sin to my sensible" I love that! Is that your quote?
Yeah, I just kinda pulled it outta my rear haha.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »No, the bored ones will just flick feather dusters. The unbored ones will go hardcore. What are you looking for?
Only hard core need apply
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Thread takeaway:
1: Never eat chips, cheesecake or chocolate; they will make you fat and you won't be able to perform at Carnival.
2: If you watched the documentary and you disagree with, you're snarky and mean and should go find another thread.
3. If you didn't watch the documentary and you disagree with it, you're an idiot.
4. Housewives are lazy and use feather dusters.
5. Mr. Knight is out of Forum Jail.
I feel like I might have missed one somewhere....0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »No, the bored ones will just flick feather dusters. The unbored ones will go hardcore. What are you looking for?
Only hard core need apply
That little girl has a point.
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Thread takeaway:
1: Never eat chips, cheesecake or chocolate; they will make you fat and you won't be able to perform at Carnival.
2: If you watched the documentary and you disagree with, you're snarky and mean and should go find another thread.
3. If you didn't watch the documentary and you disagree with it, you're an idiot.
4. Housewives are lazy and use feather dusters.
5. Mr. Knight is out of Forum Jail.
I feel like I might have missed one somewhere....
6. A cure for boredom is throwing rocks at earnest posters.
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Thread takeaway:
1: Never eat chips, cheesecake or chocolate; they will make you fat and you won't be able to perform at Carnival.
2: If you watched the documentary and you disagree with, you're snarky and mean and should go find another thread.
3. If you didn't watch the documentary and you disagree with it, you're an idiot.
4. Housewives are lazy and use feather dusters.
5. Mr. Knight is out of Forum Jail.
I feel like I might have missed one somewhere....
6. A cure for boredom is throwing rocks at earnest posters.
It turned into a "Mean Thread" for the win! Yay!0
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