Book: The science of fat loss
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slowbutsure2 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »slowbutsure2 wrote: »yopeeps025 wrote: »Where these magic pills that will help me lose weight?
I know your being silly, but I will reply anyway. The book addresses some reasons why you can't lose weight, stress and depression were one of them. The book does not recommend magic diet pills that make you lose weight. It addresses dealing with the reason why you can't lose weight.
Taking your approach, you could say to someone, go the beach and go on holiday as it will make you happy, don't listen to crazy doctors that tell you to take magic pills that will make you happy again; depression is a myth.
Life is a tad more complex than that.
Everyone has stress in life. Depression is an outlier. A medical issue that sometimes takes medication to deal with. I would think that depression would play a role in the CO portion like how alcohol digest first before fat oxidation.
I shouldn't wince at 'everyone has stress in life' because its true; but I do a little as it seems like a simplistic dismissal. I guess it's not really the stress that's the issue, unless you have PTSD or acute stress disorder etc. it is really a persons ability to cope with the stress, which I guess is a symptom of depression. Some people can dance through events that are seen as major, while others collapse under the slightest stress.
So I assume that high stress levels change the CO portion of the equation?
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slowbutsure2 wrote: »aquamarina_182 wrote: »@slowbutsure2 everyone will always bash your opinions on here....i've seen it over and over again, everyone thinks their way is the right way. 0_o
Yes I've seen it too, very sad. I think as human beings our sense of value can mistaking oy come from championing a cause and the sense of being right. I've done it too. Much better if the first priority is to support others, and to share and evaluate ideas without any vested interest. But to err is human
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pregnenolone and Phosphatidylserine, and phosphatidylcholine for depression? No...depression is caused by certain neurochemicals in the brain getting out of their proper level. Moderate to severe depression is best treated through a combination of a doctor prescribed medication and psychotherapy. I'm a mental health therapist and believe in treating the whole person...body, mind, spirit and addressing psychosocial and environmental factors. I encourage my clients to treat depression and anxiety in a multifaceted way such as by increasing physical activity, engaging in previously enjoyable activities on a daily basis, getting proper sleep and nutrition but also by taking their prescription antidepressants every day at approximately the same time.
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Antidepressants and other psychopharmaceuticals are not an exact science. Not everyone responds to each medication in the same one. It takes a while to find the right medication and then it takes a while to find the right dose that works best for you.
There are medical conditions that have depression like symptoms that can be treated by adding in other means...Seasonal Affective Disorder can often be treated by adding in a high dose of vitamin D. Hypothyroidism can sometimes have depression like symptoms that go away when the thyroid levels are back in normal range. This is why it is so important to find a good doctor and therapist and work together as a team.0 -
isulo_kura wrote: »
Yeah, someone selling a book doesn't have a vested interest.
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/0 -
science of fat loss = figure out the CI and CO side of CICO and eat to that number. Do we really need a book on it?0
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I'm glad you found something that works for you, thanks for sharing. As for the nay sayers with snarky comments you can pretend you know everyting there is to know but the truth is we are all on our own path. Safe journey to you all.0
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I'm glad you found something that works for you, thanks for sharing. As for the nay sayers with snarky comments you can pretend you know everyting there is to know but the truth is we are all on our own path. Safe journey to you all.
We're all on our own path, but we don't all get our own set of facts.0 -
EL OH EL.
The toxins give you teh fatz. Pseudoscience at its worst.0 -
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I'm glad you found something that works for you, thanks for sharing. As for the nay sayers with snarky comments you can pretend you know everyting there is to know but the truth is we are all on our own path. Safe journey to you all.
Right, because "it works for me" is accepted into the scientific literature as valid rationalism to support a theory.0 -
Saying CICO doesn't work for weight loss is like saying "spend less money than you take in" doesn't work for saying money.
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FunkyTobias wrote: »
EL OH EL.
The toxins give you teh fatz. Pseudoscience at its worst.
habit one totally validates this book as pseudoscience....0 -
Calliope610 wrote: »Saying CICO doesn't work for weight loss is like saying "spend less money than you take in" doesn't work for saying money.
I'm not sure who your trying to convince. I'm sure everyone agrees with you. But that's different to saying it's simply a matter of tracking the calories you eat and the ones you burn and making sure your in a deficit. That is contestable.0 -
Ah, CICO don't work because TOXINZ. Yup. Now we've all been schooled.
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Silly misrepresentation. Find out what he is saying and then give evidence to the contrary if you can.0
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slowbutsure2 wrote: »Silly misrepresentation. Find out what he is saying and then give evidence to the contrary if you can.
How would I give evidence to contradict the statement that if you don't detoxify, losing fat will be impossible and dangerous? There isn't any proof to support that statement at all.
And how can something be both impossible and dangerous? Wouldn't someone have to do it (thereby making it possible) in order for us to know that is is dangerous?0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »And how can something be both impossible and dangerous? Wouldn't someone have to do it (thereby making it possible) in order for us to know that is is dangerous?
Being sucked through a small hole into a vacuum is impossible, were it possible it would be dangerous as we can't breathe in a vacuum and our organs would be destroyed passing through the small hole. You can know it's dangerous without doing it, or being able to do it.
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janejellyroll wrote: »slowbutsure2 wrote: »Silly misrepresentation. Find out what he is saying and then give evidence to the contrary if you can.
How would I give evidence to contradict the statement that if you don't detoxify, losing fat will be impossible and dangerous? There isn't any proof to support that statement at all.
And how can something be both impossible and dangerous? Wouldn't someone have to do it (thereby making it possible) in order for us to know that is is dangerous?
Trying to fly by flapping your arms is impossible and dangerous
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Yojanejellyroll wrote: »slowbutsure2 wrote: »Silly misrepresentation. Find out what he is saying and then give evidence to the contrary if you can.
How would I give evidence to contradict the statement that if you don't detoxify, losing fat will be impossible and dangerous? There isn't any proof to support that statement at all.
And how can something be both impossible and dangerous? Wouldn't someone have to do it (thereby making it possible) in order for us to know that is is dangerous?
so you are so familiar with all the evidence that you can say off the cough there isn't any. Impressive. When the pope dies, you could be a candidate to take his place. (I would look at the evidence Phil Richards presents first though, just in case your not omniscient.)0 -
You don't understand what CICO means, then. And that's OK - many people think they do, but really don't.
As has been alluded to - hormones and medical conditions, among other things, affect the CO part of the equation. CICO isn't just eating what some online "calculator" tells you to eat. Those "calculators" are just estimates, based on averages.
For many people, they seem to think that - if MFP tells them to eat x amount to lose 1 lb per week - they'll lose that 1 lb per week, no matter what. When that doesn't happen, they claim that CICO doesn't work. What they failed to do - in addition to those that don't log/measure/account for exercise and activity accurately - is take into account any medical issues they may have. Sometimes, they don't even know this at first, until things don't work like they think they should and they end up going to a doctor and finding out something is wrong. Some online estimators don't take body composition into account, either. That's another factor that plays into your own individual CO.
In short, CICO works. For many (most?) people, 2+2=4, no real problem. For others, with various conditions, 2+2+x+y+z=q. Once you figure out what x, y, and z are, you can then determine q.
^This post should be stickied somewhere on MFP.0 -
aquamarina_182 wrote: »@slowbutsure2 everyone will always bash your opinions on here....i've seen it over and over again, everyone thinks their way is the right way. 0_o
People sharing counter opinions = bashing opinions???
So since OP was posting this in response (and disagreement) with opinions previously shared on MFP, I guess he was bashing too, huh?0 -
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FunkyTobias wrote: »
EL OH EL.
The toxins give you teh fatz. Pseudoscience at its worst.
I like habit 6. Habit 3 isn't terrible. The first part of habit 9 isn't bad.
The rest? Oy vey.
ETA: Maybe the book names the toxins that are eliminated from our bodies from a "cleanse" that wouldn't otherwise be eliminated while eating normal food. Hey, OP! If you have the book nearby, could you please flip through the chapter(s) on toxins and let us know if any are named? I might be able to end my quest.0 -
slowbutsure2 wrote: »Yojanejellyroll wrote: »slowbutsure2 wrote: »Silly misrepresentation. Find out what he is saying and then give evidence to the contrary if you can.
How would I give evidence to contradict the statement that if you don't detoxify, losing fat will be impossible and dangerous? There isn't any proof to support that statement at all.
And how can something be both impossible and dangerous? Wouldn't someone have to do it (thereby making it possible) in order for us to know that is is dangerous?
so you are so familiar with all the evidence that you can say off the cough there isn't any. Impressive. When the pope dies, you could be a candidate to take his place. (I would look at the evidence Phil Richards presents first though, just in case your not omniscient.)
The cliffnotes picture made to promote it is enough to know he's full of poop. There's no "Toxins that make you fat", so that's 20% of his claims shot down already just from that.
Then in 7 and 9 it's about meal timing, which is also crap. 40% of his claims unsupported by reality.
Number 5 is a huge exaggeration, so we're at 50% crap already.
Number 4 sounds like he doesn't really understand hormones at all because storage and burning hormones can't do a whole lot if you're not in a surplus/deficit, so 60% refuted.
So we're left with number 6 that talks about that stress stuff and 3 others that basically say "exercise and get good nutrition".0 -
slowbutsure2 wrote: »Calliope610 wrote: »Saying CICO doesn't work for weight loss is like saying "spend less money than you take in" doesn't work for saying money.
I'm not sure who your trying to convince. I'm sure everyone agrees with you. But that's different to saying it's simply a matter of tracking the calories you eat and the ones you burn and making sure your in a deficit. That is contestable incontrovertible.
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The reality when some say that it's not just CICO, is usually because that particular individual is suffering from some issue (health or hormonal) that the general public isn't. People and trainers promoting this crap aren't being honest with the public. If they are targeting people with actual health and hormonal issues fine, but to apply it to general public? Money talks for many even if it means deception.
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jofjltncb6 wrote: »
it would be about two pages...0 -
slowbutsure2 wrote: »As an example, I have suffered with stress and depression and have found it impossible to lose weight.
If I put you on desert island with no access to food, I guarantee you will find it "possible" to lose weight regardless of how stressed or depressed you felt.
If stress prevented weight loss, there would be no skinny people in concentration camps. Do you really think you are under more stress than they were?
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