Book: The science of fat loss

stevencloser wrote: »

slowbutsure2 wrote: »

TR0berts wrote: »

You don't understand what CICO means, then. And that's OK - many people think they do, but really don't.

As has been alluded to - hormones and medical conditions, among other things, affect the CO part of the equation. CICO isn't just eating what some online "calculator" tells you to eat. Those "calculators" are just estimates, based on averages.

For many people, they seem to think that - if MFP tells them to eat x amount to lose 1 lb per week - they'll lose that 1 lb per week, no matter what. When that doesn't happen, they claim that CICO doesn't work. What they failed to do - in addition to those that don't log/measure/account for exercise and activity accurately - is take into account any medical issues they may have. Sometimes, they don't even know this at first, until things don't work like they think they should and they end up going to a doctor and finding out something is wrong. Some online estimators don't take body composition into account, either. That's another factor that plays into your own individual CO.

In short, CICO works. For many (most?) people, 2+2=4, no real problem. For others, with various conditions, 2+2+x+y+z=q. Once you figure out what x, y, and z are, you can then determine q.

I do understand CICo, and I don't think you have said anything that I haven't said here. What i said in my original post is that it's not 'just' cico, and that's it. There are many threads here where people are blasted for not getting that it's just cico and they must be either eating more than they think or burning less than they think. As you say, this can be wrong it can be cico + xyz. I'm hoping that the people in that camp might be less dogmatic.

You really don't understand CICO. You were told multiple times that that "xyz" you're talking about is the CO part.

eric_sg61 wrote: »

slowbutsure2 wrote: »

eric_sg61 wrote: »

slowbutsure2 wrote: »

lowendfuzz wrote: »

slowbutsure2 wrote: »

Whatever works for you my friend. Perhaps for reasonably healthy people CICO is true but it ain't the whole truth. And to someone with real depression and stress, spending a bit on some supplements (not from Phil, he doesn't sell them) is nothing. Most people would actually and really give their right arm to live in the light again.

speaking from a personal experience, no I would not spend money on what some "trainer" told me. I got professional help, i'm not going to pay from some BS

Don't you think that's a bit naive? A professional is someone qualified in their field and earn their living from it. That would be Phil Johnson. And other professional athletes like Amhir Khan (boxer) pay Phil for his professional services. Calling something BS without having studied it is not really that clever. I do understand the cynicism as there is a lot of rubbish and nonsense out there. I posted this as I think it is not in that category.

They are pushing supplements, and saying CICO is a myth despite decades worth of metabolic ward research on obese ie "not healthy" patients. Yeah, I'll file that under pseudoscience.

My friend, you are absolutising in order to win cheap points and feel good about quickly dismissing something. Not a very scientific approach. I would suggest you get or borrow the book, read all the peer reviewed research that it quotes and is based on, and then come to an intelligent, informed decision. If you don't want to do that then the only other intelligent thing to do is suspend judgment.

Of course, eggs, milk and full fat everything has been declared bad for decades by nutritional scientists, and promoted by doctors, governments and health organisations. Now, that hasn't been over turned recently by scientific progress, has it?

Ah yes read the book, zealots gonna zealot

jewelryS wrote: »

Never read the book myself. I have read several and dealt with weight issues all of my life. What I have learned with what I have read and with experience that calories play a role but not the way you think. It's the type of calories that make a difference. Protein, carbs, SUGAR, fats. I found that eating what ever I wanted in terms of protein no carbs didn't work I still gained. Cutting calories to a good level and then adding enough exercise to burn off pounds, nope didn't work either. I eat 90% or more whole foods, I rarely eat anything I didn't make from scratch still gained or lost nothing (felt better though).

Some people and those who tend to suffer from depression do much better decreasing sugar (even natural from fruit) and keeping the carbs they eat to very complex. That being said even removing excess sugar and carbs or if you eat and then remove fried/breaded foods you can still over eat other foods and your body does store excess energy in it fuel reserves (Fat). I too have depression issues and have discovered that certain foods just effect it, so I avoid them. Depression does affect not only your weight but your overall health.

If you have found something that is working for you I think that is wonderful. Remember everyone is different. Some can carb load around their workouts and loose weight, while other of us it just doesn't work. Some can stick to higher protein and continue to loose weight after the initial 2 or 3 weeks, me nope didn't work. I am hoping that it all goes great for you! It's tough to find what works best for yourself as an individual.

yopeeps025 wrote: »

Where these magic pills that will help me lose weight?

yopeeps025 wrote: »

slowbutsure2 wrote: »

yopeeps025 wrote: »

Where these magic pills that will help me lose weight?

I know your being silly, but I will reply anyway. The book addresses some reasons why you can't lose weight, stress and depression were one of them. The book does not recommend magic diet pills that make you lose weight. It addresses dealing with the reason why you can't lose weight.

Taking your approach, you could say to someone, go the beach and go on holiday as it will make you happy, don't listen to crazy doctors that tell you to take magic pills that will make you happy again; depression is a myth.

Life is a tad more complex than that.

Everyone has stress in life. Depression is an outlier. A medical issue that sometimes takes medication to deal with. I would think that depression would play a role in the CO portion like how alcohol digest first before fat oxidation.

aquamarina_182 wrote: »

@slowbutsure2 everyone will always bash your opinions on here....i've seen it over and over again, everyone thinks their way is the right way. 0_o