Gluten detox

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  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    If you start feeling ill again, eat a half a cup of beans (pinto, kidney, black...)

    Not a good choice as legumes have the same anti-nutrients as gluten containing grains. She does not need her body to back track from the healing path it is on.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    It is possible that you are actually experiencing Candida (yeast) die off and that is the reason for the symptoms.

    I love internet doctors.
    the level of healing the gut has to do from the damage from the gluten.

    It took me only about a week before my energy was great..........for my husband it was nearly 6 weeks.

    Oh god.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    You can't be addicted to gluten. Gluten is just a protein. You can't be addicted to gluten any more than you can be addicted to, say, casein or lactose or zein or whatever.

    And if you COULD be addicted to gluten, and dairy, and sugar, and whatever else, a "therapist" is in no universe or in any way remotely qualified to make that determination or diagnosis.

    Your "therapist" is an idiot who "diagnosed" you with nonexistent addictions, for god knows what reason. There's no reason for you to avoid gluten. On top of that, most people who think they have a "gluten sensitivity" don't. (Cue the armies of people coming out to defend their decision to go "gluten free.")

    And.... "detox" from gluten? Gluten is PROTEIN. It's not a toxin. It doesn't persist in the blood. Gluten literally doesn't even make it to the blood. The stomach and intestines break gluten down into its constituent amino acids before it's absorbed into the blood, just like they do to every protein you eat. A protein is a long strong of amino acids - the process of digesting a protein is for the body to use acids and enzymes to split the protein into individual amino acids.

    Your weight loss has nothing to do with gluten. Weight loss comes from calorie deficit, not "gluten detoxing."

    You obviously have NO clue as to what addiction is. Yes people can be addicted to gluten, sugar or just about anything.

    Addictions are not limited to drugs and alcohol.

    Any person that suffers from leaky gut or Candida will have addiction issues.

    I know from personal experience as my husband is heavily addicted to sugar. I am working with him to get the addiction broken, but it is difficult.

    Food addictions are far worse than drugs or alcohol due to the fact that we need food to live.
  • rmhand
    rmhand Posts: 1,067 Member
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    You can't be addicted to gluten. Gluten is just a protein. You can't be addicted to gluten any more than you can be addicted to, say, casein or lactose or zein or whatever.

    And if you COULD be addicted to gluten, and dairy, and sugar, and whatever else, a "therapist" is in no universe or in any way remotely qualified to make that determination or diagnosis.

    Your "therapist" is an idiot who "diagnosed" you with nonexistent addictions, for god knows what reason. There's no reason for you to avoid gluten. On top of that, most people who think they have a "gluten sensitivity" don't. (Cue the armies of people coming out to defend their decision to go "gluten free.")

    And.... "detox" from gluten? Gluten is PROTEIN. It's not a toxin. It doesn't persist in the blood. Gluten literally doesn't even make it to the blood. The stomach and intestines break gluten down into its constituent amino acids before it's absorbed into the blood, just like they do to every protein you eat. A protein is a long strong of amino acids - the process of digesting a protein is for the body to use acids and enzymes to split the protein into individual amino acids.

    Your weight loss has nothing to do with gluten. Weight loss comes from calorie deficit, not "gluten detoxing."

    Ever heard of leaky gut? The problem is the OP is NOT digesting the gluten. Excess gluten and sugar can cause an imbalance in the digestive system causing cravings for sugar and starchy products (an addiction). The imbalance in the digestive system means that there are small holes and the gluten is in fact making its way to the blood stream.

    To the OP: Are you doing anything to heal the digestive system? Any probiotics or fermented foods?
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    Ever heard of leaky gut? The problem is the OP is NOT digesting the gluten. Excess gluten and sugar can cause an imbalance in the digestive system causing cravings for sugar and starchy products (an addiction). The imbalance in the digestive system means that there are small holes and the gluten is in fact making its way to the blood stream.

    To the OP: Are you doing anything to heal the digestive system? Any probiotics or fermented foods?

    Where are you getting "leaky gut" and that the OP has to "heal the digestive system"?

    She hasn't seen a physician. She's seen a THERAPIST who said she's ADDICTED to gluten. That's the reason she's "going gluten free."
    What makes you think she has leaky gut or damage to her digestive system??
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    No one is addicted to gluten. You may love carbs and crave the sugar high you get from them but you are not addicted to gluten. Gluten is a protein composite found in wheat and some people have issues digesting it or an intolerance to it but not an addiction.

    Your "symptoms" are pure sugar withdrawal from giving up all those simple carbs.

    Not true............Gluten can be very addicting because of the part of the brain that it triggers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    Ever heard of leaky gut? The problem is the OP is NOT digesting the gluten. Excess gluten and sugar can cause an imbalance in the digestive system causing cravings for sugar and starchy products (an addiction). The imbalance in the digestive system means that there are small holes and the gluten is in fact making its way to the blood stream.

    To the OP: Are you doing anything to heal the digestive system? Any probiotics or fermented foods?

    Where are you getting "leaky gut" and that the OP has to "heal the digestive system"?

    She hasn't seen a physician. She's seen a THERAPIST who said she's ADDICTED to gluten. That's the reason she's "going gluten free."
    What makes you think she has leaky gut or damage to her digestive system??

    Well if you knew anything about what gluten does to the body, you would know that leaky gut is a major cause of issues within the human body to include digestive issues, depression, inflammation, obesity, etc.

    The modern wheat we have available to us today is not the wheat of 50 years ago, let alone the ancient einkorn wheat of many, many years ago.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    I have an eating disorder, and my therapist says that I am in fact addicted to gluten, sugar, dairy, and a number of other foods.

    Your therapist gave you a medical diagnosis? :huh:

    Obviously a therapist knows the signs and symptoms of addiction. One can be addicted to anything.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    No one is addicted to gluten. You may love carbs and crave the sugar high you get from them but you are not addicted to gluten. Gluten is a protein composite found in wheat and some people have issues digesting it or an intolerance to it but not an addiction.

    Your "symptoms" are pure sugar withdrawal from giving up all those simple carbs.

    Not true............Gluten can be very addicting because of the part of the brain that it triggers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

    That article is a bunch of BS that is not based in any science whatsoever. There is zero evidentiary basis for most of the claims he is making there.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    I have an eating disorder, and my therapist says that I am in fact addicted to gluten, sugar, dairy, and a number of other foods.

    Your therapist is a quack. 100% serious.

    You have no basis to say that, other than the fact that you don't think addiction is possible and you are so completely WRONG!!!
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    No one is addicted to gluten. You may love carbs and crave the sugar high you get from them but you are not addicted to gluten. Gluten is a protein composite found in wheat and some people have issues digesting it or an intolerance to it but not an addiction.

    Your "symptoms" are pure sugar withdrawal from giving up all those simple carbs.

    Not true............Gluten can be very addicting because of the part of the brain that it triggers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

    That article is a bunch of BS that is not based in any science whatsoever. There is zero evidentiary basis for most of the claims he is making there.

    You didn't even read the article and look up the references at the bottom of the article. Too bad there is MUCH basis for the statements that are stated in this article.

    Or are you just that much in denial?????
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    I have an eating disorder, and my therapist says that I am in fact addicted to gluten, sugar, dairy, and a number of other foods.

    Your therapist is a quack. 100% serious.

    You have no basis to say that, other than the fact that you don't think addiction is possible and you are so completely WRONG!!!

    So is she addicted to gluten, or does she have leaky gut, or does she have a gluten insensitivity? What's the diagnosis, doctor? Is it all of these?

    Those are some amazing deductive skills considering the only thing you know is that a "therapist" told he she is "addicted to gluten, dairy, and sugar."
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    No one is addicted to gluten. You may love carbs and crave the sugar high you get from them but you are not addicted to gluten. Gluten is a protein composite found in wheat and some people have issues digesting it or an intolerance to it but not an addiction.

    Your "symptoms" are pure sugar withdrawal from giving up all those simple carbs.

    Not true............Gluten can be very addicting because of the part of the brain that it triggers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

    That article is a bunch of BS that is not based in any science whatsoever. There is zero evidentiary basis for most of the claims he is making there.

    You didn't even read the article and look up the references at the bottom of the article. Too bad there is MUCH basis for the statements that are stated in this article.

    Or are you just that much in denial?????

    I read the article and looked at the references.

    I'd love for you to link me to the peer-reviewed study that shows gluteomorphins cause schizophrenia and autism.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    I have an eating disorder, and my therapist says that I am in fact addicted to gluten, sugar, dairy, and a number of other foods.

    Your therapist is a quack. 100% serious.

    You have no basis to say that, other than the fact that you don't think addiction is possible and you are so completely WRONG!!!

    So is she addicted to gluten, or does she have leaky gut, or does she have a gluten insensitivity? What's the diagnosis, doctor? Is it all of these?

    Those are some amazing deductive skills considering the only thing you know is that a "therapist" told he she is "addicted to gluten, dairy, and sugar."

    If she has leaky gut, then YES she is addicted to gluten and it also causes Candida (yeast) overgrowth, which falls right in line with the sugar and dairy addiction issues also.

    It is all tied together. If you knew anything about functional medicine it would not be so unbelievable to you.

    She needs to remove the sugar, grains, legumes and dairy from her eating.........concentrate on healing foods such as fermented foods (saurkraut, kimchi, other fermented vegetables, kombucha, etc) to heal her gut and then she will begin experiencing healing from the addiction issues also.

    I am battling this same issue with my husband at the moment and we are seeing specialists as well as a Naturopathic M.D. in our area.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    No one is addicted to gluten. You may love carbs and crave the sugar high you get from them but you are not addicted to gluten. Gluten is a protein composite found in wheat and some people have issues digesting it or an intolerance to it but not an addiction.

    Your "symptoms" are pure sugar withdrawal from giving up all those simple carbs.

    Not true............Gluten can be very addicting because of the part of the brain that it triggers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

    That article is a bunch of BS that is not based in any science whatsoever. There is zero evidentiary basis for most of the claims he is making there.

    You didn't even read the article and look up the references at the bottom of the article. Too bad there is MUCH basis for the statements that are stated in this article.

    Or are you just that much in denial?????

    I read the article and looked at the references.

    I'd love for you to link me to the peer-reviewed study that shows gluteomorphins cause schizophrenia and autism.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0050991
  • jdaley90
    jdaley90 Posts: 259 Member
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    took me about 2 months to nor 'crave' pasta or bread when i saw/smelt it. i supplemented though with GF versions of those instead though and that helped a lot.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    If she has leaky gut....

    And what if she doesn't? Do you think this therapist diagnosed her with leaky gut? Do you think the therapist is qualified to do that?
    She needs to remove the sugar, grains, legumes and dairy from her eating........pecialists as well as a Naturopathic M.D. in our area.

    What are you basing that on?
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    Here is another one.......

    http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7437/438

    Previous studies have suggested that a cereal-and milk-free diet may be beneficial to schizophrenics and that the gluten in regular diets is harmful to schizophrenics. In an effort to replicate these findings, with improved control vehicles, patients on a locked ward were placed on a cereal-and milk-free diet. Thirteen schizophrenics were given gluten-free peanut-flour supplementary cookies and 13 were given virtually identical cookies with gluten added. Tests and rating scales before and after the ten-day study period showed no greater improvement for those receiving the gluten-free cookies than for those receiving the gluten-added cookies. Contrary to expectations, the group receiving gluten-added cookies showed significantly greater improvement on Profile on Mood States measures of tension-anxiety and anger-hostility. Previous findings were not supported. Perhaps a longer time on the diet is required for any beneficial effects to appear.

    http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=492750
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    No one is addicted to gluten. You may love carbs and crave the sugar high you get from them but you are not addicted to gluten. Gluten is a protein composite found in wheat and some people have issues digesting it or an intolerance to it but not an addiction.

    Your "symptoms" are pure sugar withdrawal from giving up all those simple carbs.

    Not true............Gluten can be very addicting because of the part of the brain that it triggers.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

    That article is a bunch of BS that is not based in any science whatsoever. There is zero evidentiary basis for most of the claims he is making there.

    You didn't even read the article and look up the references at the bottom of the article. Too bad there is MUCH basis for the statements that are stated in this article.

    Or are you just that much in denial?????

    I read the article and looked at the references.

    I'd love for you to link me to the peer-reviewed study that shows gluteomorphins cause schizophrenia and autism.

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0050991

    What does that have to do with autism or schizophrenia? That's an article about immune response in mice following a bacterial infection.
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
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    If she has leaky gut....

    And what if she doesn't? Do you think this therapist diagnosed her with leaky gut? Do you think the therapist is qualified to do that?
    She needs to remove the sugar, grains, legumes and dairy from her eating........pecialists as well as a Naturopathic M.D. in our area.

    What are you basing that on?

    The therapist diagnosed her with ADDICTION, not leaky gut.............BUT addiction stems from leaky gut.

    I am basing this on my own personal experience of working with specialists at Washington University here in St Louis and a naturopathic M.D. who is trying to heal my husband currently of the same exact thing.

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