Gluten detox

PaleoPath4Lyfe

No one is addicted to gluten. You may love carbs and crave the sugar high you get from them but you are not addicted to gluten. Gluten is a protein composite found in wheat and some people have issues digesting it or an intolerance to it but not an addiction.

Your "symptoms" are pure sugar withdrawal from giving up all those simple carbs.

Not true............Gluten can be very addicting because of the part of the brain that it triggers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/wheat-gluten_b_1274872.html

That article is a bunch of BS that is not based in any science whatsoever. There is zero evidentiary basis for most of the claims he is making there.

You didn't even read the article and look up the references at the bottom of the article. Too bad there is MUCH basis for the statements that are stated in this article.

Or are you just that much in denial?????

I read the article and looked at the references.

I'd love for you to link me to the peer-reviewed study that shows gluteomorphins cause schizophrenia and autism.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0050991

What does that have to do with autism or schizophrenia? That's an article about immune response in mice following a bacterial infection.

This is my last article I am posting. I will not stoop down to your level, I have grass to go mow before it gets too hot.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3540005/

jonnythan

addiction stems from leaky gut.

Oh lord.

My problem is trying to use logic here.

Carry on.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

addiction stems from leaky gut.

Oh lord.

My problem is trying to use logic here.

Carry on.

Because you are so closed minded that you can not fathom the effects that one part of the body has on others.

Research it yourself...................Food addictions, especially from sugar, dairy and gluten stems from leaky gut and the effects that it has on the rest of the body.

She will not experience relief from said additions until she heals the gut first and foremost.

As I mentioned several times...............I am going through this same thing with my husband at this very moment. The Specialists at Washington University and a local Naturopathic M.D. are working with him to heal.

Functional Medicine.

shannashannabobana

You are not addicted to sugar or gluten or any other food substance

I do believe people can be addicted to sugar. Never heard of anyone addicted to dairy though. That's kind of an odd dx.

addiction stems from leaky gut.

I...don't think this is right. Leaky gut is a good reason to cut out grains if they bother you, but it has nothing to do with addiction.

I've been working on cutting out wheat the last few weeks, but I am still eating potatoes now and then. I'm not having any symptoms of that sort.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

You are not addicted to sugar or gluten or any other food substance

I do believe people can be addicted to sugar. Never heard of anyone addicted to dairy though. That's kind of an odd dx.

addiction stems from leaky gut.

I...don't think this is right. Leaky gut is a good reason to cut out grains if they bother you, but it has nothing to do with addiction.

I've been working on cutting out wheat the last few weeks, but I am still eating potatoes now and then. I'm not having any symptoms of that sort.

Its the casein in dairy that causes the dairy addiction.

jonnythan

addiction stems from leaky gut.

Oh lord.

My problem is trying to use logic here.

Carry on.

Because you are so closed minded that you can not fathom the effects that one part of the body has on others.

No, it's because I don't go from "a therapist told me I was addicted to some nutrition buzzwords" straight to "this poster clearly has a medical issue such as leaky gut, which caused her addiction, and therefore must go gluten free."

See, I'm not an omniscient internet doctor who can diagnose people with medical conditions from afar based on four words they tell me their "therapist" said.

crista_b

I'm pretty sure OP was asking for advice on "detoxing" or cutting down on gluten, not a debate on whether she can or can't be addicted to it.



OP: Try looking at whole foods for some gluten-free versions of foods you regularly enjoy. That may make it easier to cut them out. Sorry I don't have better advice. I'm also trying to cut gluten to see if it helps with my chronic migraines, but I haven't really been watching it like I should.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

You are not addicted to sugar or gluten or any other food substance

I do believe people can be addicted to sugar. Never heard of anyone addicted to dairy though. That's kind of an odd dx.

addiction stems from leaky gut.

I...don't think this is right. Leaky gut is a good reason to cut out grains if they bother you, but it has nothing to do with addiction.

I've been working on cutting out wheat the last few weeks, but I am still eating potatoes now and then. I'm not having any symptoms of that sort.

You can think what you want to think. The gut is known in the medical community as the "second" brain. AS I mentioned, I am going through this same thing with my spouse and he has the same issues she has. He has been diagnosed with leaky gut and the Specialists at Washington University have stated that is the reason for his depression, tiredness and the sugar / grain addiction he has.

shannashannabobana

One can be addicted to anything.

Check out 'My Strange Addiction' for super weird examples like the girl who is addicted to her hair dryer so much that she has caused multiple fires. Crazy.

The gut is known in the medical community as the "second" brain

Well DSM V just came out. Maybe I should check it out for casein and leaky gut addiction.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

I'm pretty sure OP was asking for advice on "detoxing" or cutting down on gluten, not a debate on whether she can or can't be addicted to it.



OP: Try looking at whole foods for some gluten-free versions of foods you regularly enjoy. That may make it easier to cut them out. Sorry I don't have better advice. I'm also trying to cut gluten to see if it helps with my chronic migraines, but I haven't really been watching it like I should.

I'm sorry but I get so tired of people belittling the OP and others that post saying they are not addicted, there is no such thing as gluten or sugar addictions, etc.

These people just come in and comment and don't know anything about functional medicine due to being so wrapped up being sheeple for the federal government and mainstream medicine.

jonnythan

my spouse and he has the same issues she has. He has been diagnosed with leaky gut and the Specialists at Washington University have stated that is the reason for his depression, tiredness and the sugar / grain addiction he has.

Projecting, much?

She never said she has leaky gut. She has given no indication she's seen a physician of any kind.

Literally the only thing she said is that a therapist told her she's addicted to gluten. Somehow you are extrapolating that into "she has leaky gut just like my spouse!"

crista_b

I'm pretty sure OP was asking for advice on "detoxing" or cutting down on gluten, not a debate on whether she can or can't be addicted to it.



OP: Try looking at whole foods for some gluten-free versions of foods you regularly enjoy. That may make it easier to cut them out. Sorry I don't have better advice. I'm also trying to cut gluten to see if it helps with my chronic migraines, but I haven't really been watching it like I should.

I'm sorry but I get so tired of people belittling the OP and others that post saying they are not addicted, there is no such thing as gluten or sugar addictions, etc.

These people just come in and comment and don't know anything about functional medicine due to being so wrapped up being sheeple for the federal government and mainstream medicine.

I understand that. I think that if people don't believe that OP is addicted to gluten and it wouldn't hurt her to cut it, there's really no need for them to comment. Personally, I think there shouldn't have been a reason for you to need to get involved in a debate because others shouldn't have started one.

zazielascaux

Hello

Glad that being gluten free is working for you weight wise. Sorry to hear that you feel icky. When I was tested positive for gluten intolerance, I felt great at first, then bad. Had more tests and turned out I was also intolerant to dairy, eggs and almonds.

A month or so I found the true gluten free diet. Basically all grains have proteins similar to gluten that can cause the same problems, especially those especially sensitived/damaged by gluten. Wheat/gluten is the worst because it is a grain composed of a high percentage of that protein. Other grains have a smaller proportion of their respective protein (rice, especially white rice is pretty low) but they are still pretty damaging. So cutting out all grains (wheat, rye, barley, corn, rice etc) can be really beneficial and if you have stomach damage from gluten it will be the only way to heal your tummy. Www.glutenfreesociety.org has a great online presentation about this and a comprehensive list of grains to avoid.

There seems to be a bit of a war going on about your therapists advice. I hope the pro and anti gluten brigades aren't off putting for you. Seems worth mentioning that if you have a food sensitivity/intolerance, it can look like an addiction due to this body mechanism: when you eat a food you are insensitive to you get a small shot of adrenaline.

So you get addicted, not to the food, but the adrenaline rush. And that is the source of the uncontrollable food cravings that seem to have nothing to do with hunger or even flavour. When I learned this, I realised that some foods I had always thought I loved, were actually things I was reacting to (pizza, ice cream, milk chocolate with almonds, cake, scrambled eggs). And I began to be able to tell the difference between genuine enjoyment of a food that was good for me and a food I was having a stress reaction to.

I also realised that I had been eating foods that I had an adrenaline reaction to so often that I really stressed and had adrenal fatigue. Which caused carb/sugar cravings. And that many of the foods I ate to satisfy that sugar craving also had a food I was reacting to in them, so I was driving myself round in a vicious circle and digging myself deeper and deeper into a big hole. Breaking that cycle really worked for me. So I think your therapist has perhaps explained your situation slightly clumsily, but she has given you basically good advice. And that is backed up by your weight loss. If you can, maybe try to get a blood test about food sensitivties. In the UK, Yorktest have a really good service. It has helped me and my husband a lot.

Also, if you react to sugar, look into fructose malabsorption/sensitivity, finding out about that really helped me.

After a little while, I got fed up of describing my situation in negative terms (gluten free, dairy, free, egg free, nut free etc) and went paleo/primal as it seemed to me to be a positive way of embracing the same changes. There is a very supportive community in that world. The paleo autoimmune protocol is really working for me.

Good luck and hope you feel less icky soon!

shannashannabobana

I'm sorry but I get so tired of people belittling the OP and others that post saying they are not addicted, there is no such thing as gluten or sugar addictions, etc.

FWIW, I am in no way belittling the OP. I am just not sure that your leaky gut=addiction claims are correct. As I said, I'll check the DSM V which should have the most up to date info on diagnosing addiction. Sugar has proven reactions on the brain, I definately believe people can and are addicted to sugar. Just like caffeine. If people get addicted to dairy, I suspect it's the sugar in the milk. That shouldn't be an issue with hard cheese though. That's the one I'm curious about. Dairy includes lots of things and it's my understanding that the cheese making process gets rid of most of what is thought harmful by the anti dairy crowd.

Some people have bad reactions to gluten, some people get addicted to sugar - these are all good reasons to cut them out of your diet. Without knowing the specifics about the OP and her therapist, we can't pass judgement on it. MyStrangeAddiction proves people can be addicted to anything.

crista_b

If people get addicted to dairy, I suspect it's the sugar in the milk. That shouldn't be an issue with hard cheese though. That's the one I'm curious about. Dairy includes lots of things and it's my understanding that the cheese making process gets rid of most of what is thought harmful by the anti dairy crowd.

Sorry, off topic, but I think it could also be the casein or lactose. My boyfriend has a sever dairy allergy and can't have anything with either of those things.

ETA: I know you were talking about addiction, not allergies, but I was just noting another possibility. :flowerforyou:

shannashannabobana

I know you were talking about addiction, not allergies, but I was just noting another possibility

Despite the other posters comment, I don't think addiction and allergies are connected. I will definately do some research on that though, because it's not something I've heard. What about casein would be addicting? That's my question.

BTW Lactose is sugar. (Lactose is a disaccharide sugar derived from galactose and glucose that is found in milk.). That's what I was thinking might be addicting. Casein is a protein.

crista_b

I know you were talking about addiction, not allergies, but I was just noting another possibility

Despite the other posters comment, I don't think addiction and allergies are connected. I will definately do some research on that though, because it's not something I've heard. What about casein would be addicting? That's my question.

Honestly, I really don't know, but as you mentioned, My Strange Addiction shows that you can really become addicted to anything. :ohwell:

shannashannabobana

And now that I'm googling, there are comments on casein addiction, so who knows?

I just dont' know specifically what about that or gluten would work on the brain to cause addiction, but then I am not a doctor. I definately want to do some research later.

meshashesha2012

there's a lot of psuedoscience out there about many things and gluten is just one of the newest examples.

in any case i never went through a detox or had any symptoms like that when i gave up wheat, then again i already knew i had an allergy to wheat. it's also possible that the symptoms are related to the body getting used to the new ingredients that are being replaced in the gluten free diet rather than being from not having gluten

Sqeekyjojo

I know you were talking about addiction, not allergies, but I was just noting another possibility

Despite the other posters comment, I don't think addiction and allergies are connected. I will definately do some research on that though, because it's not something I've heard. What about casein would be addicting? That's my question.

Honestly, I really don't know, but as you mentioned, My Strange Addiction shows that you can really become addicted to anything. :ohwell:

Including attention.





There's a whole word of science between addiction and compulsion. One is physical and can be demonstrated in purely mathematical expressions. One is purely based upon self reporting.


I know which one is more accurately described as a medical condition which can be tested, measured and proven using scientific method and one which provides a convenient way of psychologically absolving oneself of all responsibility for their actions.