Questions about sugar
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DeguelloTex wrote: »What do you consider unnatural sugar?
The opposite of natural sugar is added sugar to me. I wouldn't call it unnatural. OP stated most of her sugars come from fructose. I guess I consider that a good thing.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
I'm really curious: do you really make your dietary decisions by USDA guidelines? If so, I'm impressed that our bureaucracies inspire such confidence overseas. But I feel like I have to warn you: most of us who deal with them more regularly lack the confidence that you seem to have in them.
Ha ha – OK, you're right: your government's guidelines are crap! But the idea of defining a "healthy" food by using some set parameters is a good one. Just to say "it fits in my calories and has some nutrients" therefore it's good, doesn't seem to be a very good definition. By that definition you could eat a lump of coal and consider it healthy.
Your premise is fundamentally flawed, because you're considering foods in isolation. One food choice is not going to determine the nutritional value of a person's overall intake.
Someone's diet has to be examined in full to make any determination on its relative "healthiness".
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Tell me why "common sense" says this dessert is a problem:Chrysalid2014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Thanks for clarifying that you don't know and were simply asking for the information. Although if you don't know the answer, your opposition to eating sugar makes less sense than it did before.
It makes sense in support of the idea that those on restricted calorie diets should restrict their intake to nutrient-dense foods, not high-calorie foods that contain some negligible amount of nutrition. Dare I say the words "common sense" could be applied here?
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Thanks for clarifying that you don't know and were simply asking for the information. Although if you don't know the answer, your opposition to eating sugar makes less sense than it did before.
It makes sense in support of the idea that those on restricted calorie diets should restrict their intake to nutrient-dense foods, not high-calorie foods that contain some negligible amount of nutrition. Dare I say the words "common sense" could be applied here?
In fact, this whole discussion started because some poor newcomer made an innocuous statement about making a healthy choice to eat fruit instead of candy bars, which was immediately leapt upon...
If nutritional goals for the day are met, what is the benefit of eating only nutrient-dense foods? It isn't as if those foods suck the value out of the rest of the foods that are chosen. A teaspoon of sugar in coffee, a piece of candy, a few ounces of wine, a little extra oil on roasted vegetables or salad -- what harm are these going to do?
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Wow man. I can't even with you.
No the insulin question isn't a joke. Answer it. Is there no positive side to insulin?
Fruit and candy both contain glucose. I really would have expected you to know that after all the sugar bashing you do. Candy does not contain fructose. Do you even know what fructose is. I mean seriously. And please don't say you meant HFCS.
You sir, are a boor.
That aside, obviously we would all die without insulin. That's why we each have a pancreas. However, I don't know why you're asking the question. Where did I infer insulin was bad?
And yes, I meant HFCS in relation to candy.0 -
Total rabbit trail here. Our Canadian food guidelines put "potato" in to the vegetable category. It led to some ridiculousness:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/mother-fined-10-for-packing-unbalanced-lunch-for-children-1.1551163
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Wow man. I can't even with you.
No the insulin question isn't a joke. Answer it. Is there no positive side to insulin?
Fruit and candy both contain glucose. I really would have expected you to know that after all the sugar bashing you do. Candy does not contain fructose. Do you even know what fructose is. I mean seriously. And please don't say you meant HFCS.
You sir, are a boor.
That aside, obviously we would all die without insulin. That's why we each have a pancreas. However, I don't know why you're asking the question. Where did I infer insulin was bad?
And yes, I meant HFCS in relation to candy.
You said "uh, ever heard of insulin", you know you were saying it was bad. You think I'm a bore (I'm assuming that's what you tried to write) because you have no answers. This conversation is clearly above your head. This page alone demonstrated that you do not have the ability to answer basic questions on this thread which is pathetic especially since you are criticizing the food people eat.
I think she meant "boor," as in a "rude person." She is apparently becoming frustrated with her inability to back up her statements, so she is attempting to turn it into a personality issue. How dare you be so rude as to bring actual facts into the conversation?0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Wow man. I can't even with you.
No the insulin question isn't a joke. Answer it. Is there no positive side to insulin?
Fruit and candy both contain glucose. I really would have expected you to know that after all the sugar bashing you do. Candy does not contain fructose. Do you even know what fructose is. I mean seriously. And please don't say you meant HFCS.
You sir, are a boor.
That aside, obviously we would all die without insulin. That's why we each have a pancreas. However, I don't know why you're asking the question. Where did I infer insulin was bad?
And yes, I meant HFCS in relation to candy.
A Snickers bar doesn't contain HFCS.
A lot of candy doesn't. Most candy contains regular old corn syrup.
That aside, I await MrM's response to the whole HFCS boogeyman.
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It's like debating with my 15 year old daughter who thinks she knows everything... Amusing and annoying all at the same time. I shall unsubscribe from this one now.0
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Wow man. I can't even with you.
No the insulin question isn't a joke. Answer it. Is there no positive side to insulin?
Fruit and candy both contain glucose. I really would have expected you to know that after all the sugar bashing you do. Candy does not contain fructose. Do you even know what fructose is. I mean seriously. And please don't say you meant HFCS.
You sir, are a boor.
That aside, obviously we would all die without insulin. That's why we each have a pancreas. However, I don't know why you're asking the question. Where did I infer insulin was bad?
And yes, I meant HFCS in relation to candy.
A Snickers bar doesn't contain HFCS.
A lot of candy doesn't. Most candy contains regular old corn syrup.
That aside, I await MrM's response to the whole HFCS boogeyman.
Here are the actual ingredients of Snickers, in case someone wants to make the case against them based on what they are made of (instead of what they imagine they are made of): MILK CHOCOLATE (SUGAR, COCOA BUTTER, CHOCOLATE, SKIM MILK, LACTOSE, MILKFAT, SOY LECITHIN, ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR), PEANUTS, CORN SYRUP, SUGAR, PALM OIL, SKIM MILK, LACTOSE, PARTIALLY HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL, SALT, EGG WHITES, ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR.0 -
Tell me why "common sense" says this dessert is a problem:DeguelloTex wrote: »[/quote]
Let's suppose someone is on a 1230 calorie diet according to the default MFP nutrition goals:
So from this one item, towards their recommended daily amount, they are getting:
21% of their calories!
42% of their carbs!
29% of their fat!
Only 6% of their protein...
So, the calorie "cost" (21%) is not in line with the other "costs" so therefore it's common sense to choose something else.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Let's suppose someone is on a 1230 calorie diet according to the default MFP nutrition goals:
So from this one item, towards their recommended daily amount, they are getting:
21% of their calories!
42% of their carbs!
29% of their fat!
Only 6% of their protein...
So, the calorie "cost" (21%) is not in line with the other "costs" so therefore it's common sense to choose something else.
The screenshot clearly shows that the person posting this isn't on 1,230 calories. They are on 1,980.0 -
Artificial flavor!!!!
Maybe I should eat Flamin' Hot Cheetos instead, since the government calls them a healthy snack. Wouldn't that be "common sense"?0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Let's suppose someone is on a 1230 calorie diet according to the default MFP nutrition goals:
So from this one item, towards their recommended daily amount, they are getting:
21% of their calories!
42% of their carbs!
29% of their fat!
Only 6% of their protein...
So, the calorie "cost" (21%) is not in line with the other "costs" so therefore it's common sense to choose something else.[/quote]
Okay, but what if their calorie count for the day is 3600?
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Let's suppose you answer the question asked, not the one you want to answer.Chrysalid2014 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Tell me why "common sense" says this dessert is a problem:
Let's suppose someone is on a 1230 calorie diet according to the default MFP nutrition goals:
So from this one item, towards their recommended daily amount, they are getting:
21% of their calories!
42% of their carbs!
29% of their fat!
Only 6% of their protein...
So, the calorie "cost" (21%) is not in line with the other "costs" so therefore it's common sense to choose something else.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Tell me why "common sense" says this dessert is a problem:DeguelloTex wrote: »
Let's suppose someone is on a 1230 calorie diet according to the default MFP nutrition goals:
So from this one item, towards their recommended daily amount, they are getting:
21% of their calories!
42% of their carbs!
29% of their fat!
Only 6% of their protein...
So, the calorie "cost" (21%) is not in line with the other "costs" so therefore it's common sense to choose something else.
No let's not "suppose" so you can change the rules. This person is not on 1200 calories. The person who IS on 1200 stated she would eat a fun size bar that comes in at 80 calories. You don't get to pull the full size bar from the higher calorie person and insert it into the smaller calorie day to make your argument. Try again.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Tell me why "common sense" says this dessert is a problem:DeguelloTex wrote: »
Let's suppose someone is on a 1230 calorie diet according to the default MFP nutrition goals:
So from this one item, towards their recommended daily amount, they are getting:
21% of their calories!
42% of their carbs!
29% of their fat!
Only 6% of their protein...
So, the calorie "cost" (21%) is not in line with the other "costs" so therefore it's common sense to choose something else.
You don't get to pull the full size bar from the higher calorie person and insert it into the smaller calorie day to make your argument. Try again.
When that's the only way it will make sense, you need to do that...lol.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »That aside, obviously we would all die without insulin. That's why we each have a pancreas. However, I don't know why you're asking the question. Where did I infer insulin was bad?
You said "uh, ever heard of insulin", you know you were saying it was bad. You think I'm a bore (I'm assuming that's what you tried to write) because you have no answers. This conversation is clearly above your head. This page alone demonstrated that you do not have the ability to answer basic questions on this thread which is pathetic especially since you are criticizing the food people eat.
I said "insulin resistance"; not "insulin", and as I already clarified, I was asking a question as to whether there was any connection between this (and other stated disorders) and diet. I admit I should have phrased this question more carefully; I was in rather a hurry as I was on my way out for the evening.
And, I refered to you as a "boor" not "bore" (although if the shoe fits...)
And, this entire discussion started because someone was criticized en masse for wanting to eat fruit instead of candy.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »That aside, obviously we would all die without insulin. That's why we each have a pancreas. However, I don't know why you're asking the question. Where did I infer insulin was bad?
You said "uh, ever heard of insulin", you know you were saying it was bad. You think I'm a bore (I'm assuming that's what you tried to write) because you have no answers. This conversation is clearly above your head. This page alone demonstrated that you do not have the ability to answer basic questions on this thread which is pathetic especially since you are criticizing the food people eat.
I said "insulin resistance"; not "insulin", and as I already clarified, I was asking a question as to whether there was any connection between this (and other stated disorders) and diet. I admit I should have phrased this question more carefully; I was in rather a hurry as I was on my way out for the evening.
And, I refered to you as a "boor" not "bore" (although if the shoe fits...)
And, this entire discussion started because someone was criticized en masse for wanting to eat fruit instead of candy.
The criticism wasn't for wanting to eat fruit instead of candy. The criticism was for the reasoning behind it. As you are demonstrating in abundance, the reasoning isn't all that great.0
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