Can someone cut through the bull and tell me the truth!
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There's a function on google called google scholar, it will lead you to scientific peer review studies and eliminate the bs.
I would argue that scientific, peer reviewed studies are part of what perpetuates the BS in the fitness industry. A lot of what is found works well on paper but in practice it is a totally different story. Not to mention, the two biggest contributors of sports medicine and exercise physiology studies that are considered "reputable", the NSCA and ACSM, have both put out volumes of absolutely shameful material.
For the layman, doing what has provided great results to numerous other people is their best bet. This is true for most athletes as well.
I agree that scientific understanding is useful but it can be confusing to people who don't already have a solid foundation of knowledge in anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, kinesiology, biomechanics and sports training knowledge. Seeing as how a very small number of people have any appreciable knowledge in those areas aside from all the BS they read in studies that they don't necessarily understand and articles they find on the internet, it is safe to say that most people would benefit from keeping it simple and just following the basic guidelines people have set forth in this thread.0 -
eat a little less and move a little more...do a little cardio, do a little resistance training, eat food in appropriate quantities as it relates to your weight control goals and rock your nutrition...it's that easy...there's no magic, it's just math.0
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i think stressing about the weightloss is what helps to contribute not losing the weight in the first place.
so don't overcomplicate it.
eat at a calorie deficit
move more when you can, however you can, when you want.
done.
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So two big things. well 3.
1.) Calories- you must be at a calorie deficit to lose weight. Period. No working out required.
2.) Lifting weights will help retain muscle mass so you don't just look like a smaller version of what you are now.
3.) A well rounded fitness program for your health and wellness should/will include a cardiovascular component and a strength/resistance training program.
Those are the 3 big things.
You can start with the calories- that's easy. Log daily- buy a food scale- use MFP- or google TDEE and use that- either one is fine.
As for cardio- either for running- try couch to 5K- great beginner program- if you want to run. walking is fine- row machine- bike- whatever- not relevant unless you have a specific goal in mind.
For lifting
Strong lifts
New rules of lifting
starting strength
strong curves
or you can do body weight-
body by you
you are your own gym
convict conditioning
all great places to get started!
I know *exactly* how you feel!! It took me over 2 yrs to filter through all the b**l s**t, didn't know what questions to ask and so on, but damn! wish I got this information when I was starting! Here's 2 other great posts to read, different words same information...
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1161603/so-you-want-a-nice-stomach/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants/p10 -
galengentry wrote: »At your weight you should not run. ...The easiest way to do cardio when you are just starting out with your exercise regimen is to buy a video like 21 day fix or 30 day shred.
Anyone who is too heavy to avoid hurting themselves on a C25K running program is going to completely blow up on a 30DS.
This is awful advice.
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galengentry wrote: »At your weight you should not run. ...The easiest way to do cardio when you are just starting out with your exercise regimen is to buy a video like 21 day fix or 30 day shred.
Anyone who is too heavy to avoid hurting themselves on a C25K running program is going to completely blow up on a 30DS.
This is awful advice.
Having done both - 30DS has a low-impact option, though, and the total exposure to impact even with the higher impact options is minimal compared to running.
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My 2 cents just on the HIIT - it is good BUT it's a trick to fit it in around strength and other cardio (especially when you're starting out), because almost everything relies on legs, and recovery is important (that's when your muscles are knitting themselves back together).
Also - it's important to establish a good base, just to get all your connective tissues used to the movements. Especially at your/my age.
So I would say, for maybe the first month or so, skip HIIT and do a mix of regular moderate cardio and strength training (and yoga or something like that for flexibility, assuming you have nothing stopping you from those kind of movements).0 -
This one...
I will add 1 or 2 things just to stick in your mind.
1. doing long cardio sessions only will burn your muscle for energy. That's why lifting is important. Your muscle is your metabolism. The more muscle you build...the better your metabolism.
2. Muscle burns fat. You body doesn't want to build muscle because it's hard for it to maintain it. In turn...your body has to constantly tap into the fat stores to maintain the muscle. I like the sound of that. AND...you won't get big and bulky.
The 'professor' in all of us wants to know if you can clean up or back up that Bro Science for us....?
Doing long cardio sessions only will burn your muscle for energy?
Really? Could you cite your sources for that please?
Muscle burns fat.
Really? Could you cite your sources for that please?
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galengentry wrote: »At your weight you should not run.
I am at 185 and routinely run. Under supervision. I do all my stretches. I wear the best shoes I can afford. I dared not run at 275. I began running when walking got too easy.0 -
I'm now curious- what's the weight limit to stop running?0
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galengentry wrote: »At your weight you should not run. ...The easiest way to do cardio when you are just starting out with your exercise regimen is to buy a video like 21 day fix or 30 day shred.
Anyone who is too heavy to avoid hurting themselves on a C25K running program is going to completely blow up on a 30DS.
This is awful advice.
This is a low impact circuit workout.....much easier on the joints. Chris Freytag is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm0C8awjNIQ
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So two big things. well 3.
1.) Calories- you must be at a calorie deficit to lose weight. Period. No working out required.
2.) Lifting weights will help retain muscle mass so you don't just look like a smaller version of what you are now.
3.) A well rounded fitness program for your health and wellness should/will include a cardiovascular component and a strength/resistance training program.
Those are the 3 big things.
You can start with the calories- that's easy. Log daily- buy a food scale- use MFP- or google TDEE and use that- either one is fine.
As for cardio- either for running- try couch to 5K- great beginner program- if you want to run. walking is fine- row machine- bike- whatever- not relevant unless you have a specific goal in mind.
For lifting
Strong lifts
New rules of lifting
starting strength
strong curves
or you can do body weight-
body by you
you are your own gym
convict conditioning
all great places to get started!
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I'm now curious- what's the weight limit to stop running?
i don't know if there's a hard cutoff, you know, but in general: every pound of body weight is an additional 3 pounds of pressure on the knees, and 6 on the hips. so there's just that; also, the effects of any awkward biomechanics are likely to be magnified by additional weight.0 -
@loxottica You can do HIIT. I used to run long slow miles, 5 miles at 5MPH and I started doing HIIT on the treadmill. It was tough, but you'll train yourself to run at 7.0, 7.5, even 8. The great thing is you know the runs are for a short time. My HIIT workouts are now 22-25 min vs 50. Gotta love that.
HIIT is great for increasing your VO2 MAX if you already have a strong fitness foundation to build off of.
For increasing your caloric burn or for fitness in general? Not really...0 -
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I'm now curious- what's the weight limit to stop running?
i don't know if there's a hard cutoff, you know, but in general: every pound of body weight is an additional 3 pounds of pressure on the knees, and 6 on the hips. so there's just that; also, the effects of any awkward biomechanics are likely to be magnified by that.
If you've read up anything on running, you'll know that running can actually be low impact as well. When you start off, you're supposed to "shuffle" your feet in very quick, but short strides. Not jump from foot to foot like people believe you should.
Doing it properly, like I just described, anyone at any weight will be fine. Besides, anyone who is just starting out will be walking most of the time.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »I'm now curious- what's the weight limit to stop running?
i don't know if there's a hard cutoff, you know, but in general: every pound of body weight is an additional 3 pounds of pressure on the knees, and 6 on the hips. so there's just that; also, the effects of any awkward biomechanics are likely to be magnified by that.
If you've read up anything on running, you'll know that running can actually be low impact as well. When you start off, you're supposed to "shuffle" your feet in very quick, but short strides. Not jump from foot to foot like people believe you should.
Doing it properly, like I just described, anyone at any weight will be fine. Besides, anyone who is just starting out will be walking most of the time.
All I'm going to say is that I was unable to avoid injury doing C25K, even with the right (expensive) shoes, selected for me based on my gait at a running store, even running on soft surfaces, even after reading about technique extensively.
It might be that I have some unique vulnerabilities. But, others may have similar vulnerabilities (or different ones). The problem is that a lot of times you don't know what they are until it's too late.
In my case, that injury led to chronic pain and neuropathy.
I'm not saying everyone's going to have a problem, but some will. So there are risks.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »I'm now curious- what's the weight limit to stop running?
i don't know if there's a hard cutoff, you know, but in general: every pound of body weight is an additional 3 pounds of pressure on the knees, and 6 on the hips. so there's just that; also, the effects of any awkward biomechanics are likely to be magnified by that.
If you've read up anything on running, you'll know that running can actually be low impact as well. When you start off, you're supposed to "shuffle" your feet in very quick, but short strides. Not jump from foot to foot like people believe you should.
Doing it properly, like I just described, anyone at any weight will be fine. Besides, anyone who is just starting out will be walking most of the time.
All I'm going to say is that I was unable to avoid injury doing C25K, even with the right (expensive) shoes, selected for me based on my gait at a running store, even running on soft surfaces, even after reading about technique extensively.
It might be that I have some unique vulnerabilities. But, others may have similar vulnerabilities (or different ones). The problem is that a lot of times you don't know what they are until it's too late.
In my case, that injury led to chronic pain and neuropathy.
I'm not saying everyone's going to have a problem, but some will. So there are risks.
I'm sorry this happened to you. I've been there myself with injuries caused by being active.
However, there are risks with every sport and every form of activity. You can either accept the risks and enjoy your life, or lock yourself up in your home and spend all your free time in front of your xBox.
The choice is yours.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »@loxottica You can do HIIT. I used to run long slow miles, 5 miles at 5MPH and I started doing HIIT on the treadmill. It was tough, but you'll train yourself to run at 7.0, 7.5, even 8. The great thing is you know the runs are for a short time. My HIIT workouts are now 22-25 min vs 50. Gotta love that.
HIIT is great for increasing your VO2 MAX if you already have a strong fitness foundation to build off of.
For increasing your caloric burn or for fitness in general? Not really...
You can't say that doing HIIT doesn't increase your "general fitness". "fitness" means ones ability to perform a task. HIIT increases one's ability to perform at a very high intensity and to quickly recover from that intense activity better than other forms of exercise so it does increase one's fitness "in general". Realistically, any form of physical training that causes adaptation increases a person's "general fitness".0 -
chivalryder wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »I'm now curious- what's the weight limit to stop running?
i don't know if there's a hard cutoff, you know, but in general: every pound of body weight is an additional 3 pounds of pressure on the knees, and 6 on the hips. so there's just that; also, the effects of any awkward biomechanics are likely to be magnified by that.
If you've read up anything on running, you'll know that running can actually be low impact as well. When you start off, you're supposed to "shuffle" your feet in very quick, but short strides. Not jump from foot to foot like people believe you should.
Doing it properly, like I just described, anyone at any weight will be fine. Besides, anyone who is just starting out will be walking most of the time.
All I'm going to say is that I was unable to avoid injury doing C25K, even with the right (expensive) shoes, selected for me based on my gait at a running store, even running on soft surfaces, even after reading about technique extensively.
It might be that I have some unique vulnerabilities. But, others may have similar vulnerabilities (or different ones). The problem is that a lot of times you don't know what they are until it's too late.
In my case, that injury led to chronic pain and neuropathy.
I'm not saying everyone's going to have a problem, but some will. So there are risks.
I'm sorry this happened to you. I've been there myself with injuries caused by being active.
However, there are risks with every sport and every form of activity. You can either accept the risks and enjoy your life, or lock yourself up in your home and spend all your free time in front of your xBox.
The choice is yours.
Thanks
I'm sorry you've had to deal with injuries, too.
You're right, everything involves risk. The thing is that certain injuries can very much lead to not being able to do anything other than play xBox. (or e.g. unable walk to the corner store or just at all for longer than 5 minutes). and those injuries can limit your enjoyment of activities (sometimes for life). (and, getting good, timely treatment of msk issues can be tough - there are a LOT of quacks and know-nothings out there, even with qualifications.)
So I think it's good to look at a third option, which is taking calculated risks. (eg with running - if you are very overweight, walk, don't run, until your knees & hips are a little freer.)0 -
SingingSingleTracker wrote: »
This one...
I will add 1 or 2 things just to stick in your mind.
1. doing long cardio sessions only will burn your muscle for energy. That's why lifting is important. Your muscle is your metabolism. The more muscle you build...the better your metabolism.
2. Muscle burns fat. You body doesn't want to build muscle because it's hard for it to maintain it. In turn...your body has to constantly tap into the fat stores to maintain the muscle. I like the sound of that. AND...you won't get big and bulky.
The 'professor' in all of us wants to know if you can clean up or back up that Bro Science for us....?
Doing long cardio sessions only will burn your muscle for energy?
Really? Could you cite your sources for that please?
Muscle burns fat.
Really? Could you cite your sources for that please?
This is what I was talking about when I said that people depending on "peer reviewed studies" perpetuates the BS in the fitness industry. Doing long, slow periods of exercise does not require high quality fuel so it will burn tissue indiscriminately. Muscle is a tissue. Your body will burn it right along with fat, glycogen, etc... unless you are doing something to make your body want to keep it (i.e. something that activates the M-Tor amino acid pathway or causes an influx of androgens/growth hormone which would, in turn, activate the M-Tor amino acid pathway). These things would include more intense forms of exercise such as HIIT or strength training. I'm not hating on LISS, I'm simply stating what happens when someone does too much LISS. A study is not needed to determine this. One would simply need to come from a point of increased muscular strength and hypertrophy and then add a bunch of LISS to their training to see the effects of it.
Also, muscle does have a higher metabolic demand than other tissues, so having more muscle does increase a person's metabolic rate. It doesn't make as much of a difference as a lot of people say it does (it is roughly 30kcals per lb of muscle per 24 hours which wouldn't make a huge difference on the calipers) but it does increase resting caloric expenditure nonetheless.
No sources need to be sighted for any of this information as it is pretty common knowledge (maybe not the actual means through which this phenomenon occurs, but people still know it to be a true and are not incorrect in doing so).0 -
I'm now curious- what's the weight limit to stop running?
i don't know if there's a hard cutoff, you know, but in general: every pound of body weight is an additional 3 pounds of pressure on the knees, and 6 on the hips. so there's just that; also, the effects of any awkward biomechanics are likely to be magnified by additional weight.
I was asking slightly tongue in cheek- those big foot ball guys run quiet a bit- and are very good at it.
A lot of it has to do with HOW you're carrying that weight- and how inefficiently you are running.
Certainly there is a point where walking will garner you more results than running will- as it will be easier on the body and more sustainable (in terms of time)- as someone up thread said- she began running when walking felt to easy.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »So two big things. well 3.
1.) Calories- you must be at a calorie deficit to lose weight. Period. No working out required.
2.) Lifting weights will help retain muscle mass so you don't just look like a smaller version of what you are now.
3.) A well rounded fitness program for your health and wellness should/will include a cardiovascular component and a strength/resistance training program.
Those are the 3 big things.
You can start with the calories- that's easy. Log daily- buy a food scale- use MFP- or google TDEE and use that- either one is fine.
As for cardio- either for running- try couch to 5K- great beginner program- if you want to run. walking is fine- row machine- bike- whatever- not relevant unless you have a specific goal in mind.
For lifting
Strong lifts
New rules of lifting
starting strength
strong curves
or you can do body weight-
body by you
you are your own gym
convict conditioning
all great places to get started!
cosign
its' a good expression right!!!
cosigned again …
LOL
Yes, it is and I have totally stolen it from you ….
Sine and Tan feel you're too obtuse with cosine.
I try not to be acute on the boards. I feel it's the wrong angle to take- we might get to far off on a tangent.
In for Trigonometry humor!
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SingingSingleTracker wrote: »
This one...
I will add 1 or 2 things just to stick in your mind.
1. doing long cardio sessions only will burn your muscle for energy. That's why lifting is important. Your muscle is your metabolism. The more muscle you build...the better your metabolism.
2. Muscle burns fat. You body doesn't want to build muscle because it's hard for it to maintain it. In turn...your body has to constantly tap into the fat stores to maintain the muscle. I like the sound of that. AND...you won't get big and bulky.
The 'professor' in all of us wants to know if you can clean up or back up that Bro Science for us....?
Doing long cardio sessions only will burn your muscle for energy?
Really? Could you cite your sources for that please?
Muscle burns fat.
Really? Could you cite your sources for that please?
This is what I was talking about when I said that people depending on "peer reviewed studies" perpetuates the BS in the fitness industry. Doing long, slow periods of exercise does not require high quality fuel so it will burn tissue indiscriminately. Muscle is a tissue. Your body will burn it right along with fat, glycogen, etc... unless you are doing something to make your body want to keep it (i.e. something that activates the M-Tor amino acid pathway or causes an influx of androgens/growth hormone which would, in turn, activate the M-Tor amino acid pathway). These things would include more intense forms of exercise such as HIIT or strength training. I'm not hating on LISS, I'm simply stating what happens when someone does too much LISS. A study is not needed to determine this. One would simply need to come from a point of increased muscular strength and hypertrophy and then add a bunch of LISS to their training to see the effects of it.
Also, muscle does have a higher metabolic demand than other tissues, so having more muscle does increase a person's metabolic rate. It doesn't make as much of a difference as a lot of people say it does (it is roughly 30kcals per lb of muscle per 24 hours which wouldn't make a huge difference on the calipers) but it does increase resting caloric expenditure nonetheless.
No sources need to be sighted for any of this information as it is pretty common knowledge (maybe not the actual means through which this phenomenon occurs, but people still know it to be a true and are not incorrect in doing so).
Ha!
In other words, your pant legs are firmly rolled up high enough to not get dirty in the BS.
Have a read at Jay's chance to give you a go around with your Bro Sci...
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/does-building-muscle-burn-fat/
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chivalryder wrote: »So two big things. well 3.
1.) Calories- you must be at a calorie deficit to lose weight. Period. No working out required.
2.) Lifting weights will help retain muscle mass so you don't just look like a smaller version of what you are now.
3.) A well rounded fitness program for your health and wellness should/will include a cardiovascular component and a strength/resistance training program.
Those are the 3 big things.
You can start with the calories- that's easy. Log daily- buy a food scale- use MFP- or google TDEE and use that- either one is fine.
As for cardio- either for running- try couch to 5K- great beginner program- if you want to run. walking is fine- row machine- bike- whatever- not relevant unless you have a specific goal in mind.
For lifting
Strong lifts
New rules of lifting
starting strength
strong curves
or you can do body weight-
body by you
you are your own gym
convict conditioning
all great places to get started!
cosign
its' a good expression right!!!
cosigned again …
LOL
Yes, it is and I have totally stolen it from you ….
Sine and Tan feel you're too obtuse with cosine.
I try not to be acute on the boards. I feel it's the wrong angle to take- we might get to far off on a tangent.
In for Trigonometry humor!
It's an integral part of our discussion.
Oh yeah- Break through to Algebra 3 biatches.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »
YES!!!!!
That's my excuse now too. Only my bike is a vroom vroom bike- so I don't think it'll get me as far in the excuse department LULZ0 -
what I know is if you wanna lose weight you have to cut down the amount of calorie intake. If want adjust ur body composition like lose fat for example, you should adjust your macros so that you don't eat as much fat but more carbs and protein. And if the same calorie intake isn't changed then it won't affect your weight, you will only have less fat percentage in body. hope that explain xD.0
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So two big things. well 3.
1.) Calories- you must be at a calorie deficit to lose weight. Period. No working out required.
2.) Lifting weights will help retain muscle mass so you don't just look like a smaller version of what you are now.
3.) A well rounded fitness program for your health and wellness should/will include a cardiovascular component and a strength/resistance training program.
Those are the 3 big things.
You can start with the calories- that's easy. Log daily- buy a food scale- use MFP- or google TDEE and use that- either one is fine.
As for cardio- either for running- try couch to 5K- great beginner program- if you want to run. walking is fine- row machine- bike- whatever- not relevant unless you have a specific goal in mind.
For lifting
Strong lifts
New rules of lifting
starting strength
strong curves
or you can do body weight-
body by you
you are your own gym
convict conditioning
all great places to get started!
So much this.0 -
What ever you can stick with.
The main thing is that you are in a calorie deficit. As long as you make sure of that, everything else should be things you can stick with.
Don't design a program that works for everyone else if you have to torture yourself to stick to it.
Sure there are things that are healthier,... faster, or whatever...but the main thing is that you don't get burned out on it.
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My man Lofteren is spot on. Everyone is giving good advice as I can tell. I will only speak on what hasn't been pointed out. A Strength program like strong lifts is borderline perfect. This style of lifting will not leave you mentally and physically exhausted on top of your sleep deprivation. It uses low volume which keeps your mind and body fresher. In addition, it is good for any lady as it will strengthen your bones since your lifts get increasingly heavy and it will give you more strength to hoist, play, and keep up with your child as an added bonus.
Other than that, as someone else said, find what is fun. I say especially for cardio. This will cut some fat and give you a mental break rather than doing cardio you know you hate. Below is my example but I hope my little bit helps!
I love to bike with friends on weekends and play basketball the nights before I know I can sleep in. I now do Strength 5X5s to improve my strength and joints while keeping my energy up as I intern, work 2 jobs, and take max hours of courses. I feel great!!! Whereas on a program.... I would do 4 or 5 sets of 10 to 15 reps and cardio after which left me drained, too tired for super fun cardio, behind in classwork, and burned out.0
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