Vegetarian due to ethics
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There are animal products in so many things nowadays that it is almost impossible NOT to use something that was made from or by or using an animal or it's parts.0
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Brb not eating animals so I can stand on the moral high ground.
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Sorry, will respond later, too busy eating a juicy burger.0
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Crap, even the flu shot was made from eggs!0
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Personally I have never thought there was anything morally superior about someone who avoids eating animals.0
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Why do people assume that those who do things for ethical reasons believe they are morally superior? I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never met one who feels morally superior because of their choice not to eat meat.0
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Why do people assume that those who do things for ethical reasons believe they are morally superior? I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never met one who feels morally superior because of their choice not to eat meat.
Really? I know admittedly few vegans, but wow...can't think of one who doesn't think this way and doesn't actively shame others.0 -
I am pescatarian (I only eat fish as my source of meat). Not going to go into the long details behind it, but I don't care what anyone else eats as long as the animal was humanely taken care of before it came to my or anyone else's table. I will cook meat for others, but I choose not to eat any meat other than fish. Just a personal choice.
I don't shame anyone for eating red meat, chicken, pork, turkey, etc. What someone does and puts in their own body is their business, I don't let anyone tell me what I can put in my mouth.
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Why do people assume that those who do things for ethical reasons believe they are morally superior? I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never met one who feels morally superior because of their choice not to eat meat.
Really? I know admittedly few vegans, but wow...can't think of one who doesn't think this way and doesn't actively shame others.
The thing is, you may only know of the rude ones because they're the loud ones. They're the ones that get attention. But they make up a very small percentage of all vegans. I'm a vegan and I don't give a crap if somebody eats meat or even if they eat meat around me. It's actually almost a pet peeve of mine when somebody apologizes for eating meat/dairy around me (although I much prefer that over the people who taunt me about being vegan and are like "wow, doesn't this steak look great? It tastes great, too!") Because I know that it's MY personal choice for MYSELF. And if other people don't wanna choose that, then that's okay! I don't think I'm above anybody because of what I choose to consume! As long as somebody isn't shaming me, I'm not gonna shame them, and that's that.
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Beer is fined using tropical fish swim bladders. This makes me sad for vegetarians.0
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QFTWhy do people assume that those who do things for ethical reasons believe they are morally superior? I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never met one who feels morally superior because of their choice not to eat meat.
Really? I know admittedly few vegans, but wow...can't think of one who doesn't think this way and doesn't actively shame others.
The thing is, you may only know of the rude ones because they're the loud ones. They're the ones that get attention. But they make up a very small percentage of all vegans. I'm a vegan and I don't give a crap if somebody eats meat or even if they eat meat around me. It's actually almost a pet peeve of mine when somebody apologizes for eating meat/dairy around me (although I much prefer that over the people who taunt me about being vegan and are like "wow, doesn't this steak look great? It tastes great, too!") Because I know that it's MY personal choice for MYSELF. And if other people don't wanna choose that, then that's okay! I don't think I'm above anybody because of what I choose to consume! As long as somebody isn't shaming me, I'm not gonna shame them, and that's that.0 -
There are vegetarian/vegan alcohols (including beer). I forget the site to find them, but most that are "hardcore" about it will make sure what they drink was made differently.Beer is fined using tropical fish swim bladders. This makes me sad for vegetarians.0 -
I don't consume any animal products as much as I possibly can. Sometimes I do on accident, sometimes (very rarely) I cheat on purpose (with dairy -- never ever with meat.) I also try my hardest to not use animal products, but it is hard. Most of my makeup is vegan and cruelty free -- and the stuff I have that isn't vegan is still cruelty free. I have a few shoes that I bought pre-vegan that have leather, but I haven't bought any leather goods since then.
You know, sometimes it is hard to avoid, but when I CAN, I do. And if I can't, then that stinks, but it might be out of my control.
My products might not be 100% animal-free, but I make an effort to use as few animal products as possible, and it makes me feel good. Doesn't make me feel better than anybody else. It just makes me feel good for myself, y'know?0 -
QFTWhy do people assume that those who do things for ethical reasons believe they are morally superior? I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never met one who feels morally superior because of their choice not to eat meat.
Really? I know admittedly few vegans, but wow...can't think of one who doesn't think this way and doesn't actively shame others.
The thing is, you may only know of the rude ones because they're the loud ones. They're the ones that get attention. But they make up a very small percentage of all vegans. I'm a vegan and I don't give a crap if somebody eats meat or even if they eat meat around me. It's actually almost a pet peeve of mine when somebody apologizes for eating meat/dairy around me (although I much prefer that over the people who taunt me about being vegan and are like "wow, doesn't this steak look great? It tastes great, too!") Because I know that it's MY personal choice for MYSELF. And if other people don't wanna choose that, then that's okay! I don't think I'm above anybody because of what I choose to consume! As long as somebody isn't shaming me, I'm not gonna shame them, and that's that.
^THIS 100%. I originally started eating vegetarian because of a horrible food poisoning experience that turned me off from eating meat. Part of it now is ethical reasons but it is my own personal choice. I don't preach it to others expect the same courtesy in return.0 -
I believe strongly in PETA and the good things they do.
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I agree. I try to avoid animal products (except I'm still working on cutting eggs and dairy), but I bought a REALLY nice and expensive leather coat when I went to Italy 9 years ago (long before I ever went vegetarian). I'm not going to just get rid of it now.I don't consume any animal products as much as I possibly can. Sometimes I do on accident, sometimes (very rarely) I cheat on purpose (with dairy -- never ever with meat.) I also try my hardest to not use animal products, but it is hard. Most of my makeup is vegan and cruelty free -- and the stuff I have that isn't vegan is still cruelty free. I have a few shoes that I bought pre-vegan that have leather, but I haven't bought any leather goods since then.
You know, sometimes it is hard to avoid, but when I CAN, I do. And if I can't, then that stinks, but it might be out of my control.
My products might not be 100% animal-free, but I make an effort to use as few animal products as possible, and it makes me feel good. Doesn't make me feel better than anybody else. It just makes me feel good for myself, y'know?
Also, I've never met a "preachy" vegetarian/vegan who tries to push it on others, but almost all the meat-eaters I know try to push me to eat meat and try to "taunt" me with it. Maybe it's just my experience, but it seems that meat-eaters try to force their opinions/eating habits on non-meat-eaters way more often than the other way around.0 -
No but seriously, don't preach at me about what I eat (or wear, believe, think, etc.), I won't preach at you.0 -
I had a vegan say this once as someone was bashing her in for her lifestyle and trying to make her look like a hypocrite. She calmly looked at the person, and said my only goal in life is to reduce suffering as much as possible. I just thought that was so succinct and appropriate.
I really wish I could cut out the animal, but I crave meat and live with a die hard meat eater. Maybe one day I'll pick it back up again.0 -
I guess they don't realize that animal by-products are used in many different things - from paper to WD-40 to clothing to...
So to me their arguments (ethical vs moral vs obligation) make no sense to me. White noise...0 -
Why do people assume that those who do things for ethical reasons believe they are morally superior? I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never met one who feels morally superior because of their choice not to eat meat.
Really? I know admittedly few vegans, but wow...can't think of one who doesn't think this way and doesn't actively shame others.
The thing is, you may only know of the rude ones because they're the loud ones. They're the ones that get attention. But they make up a very small percentage of all vegans. I'm a vegan and I don't give a crap if somebody eats meat or even if they eat meat around me. It's actually almost a pet peeve of mine when somebody apologizes for eating meat/dairy around me (although I much prefer that over the people who taunt me about being vegan and are like "wow, doesn't this steak look great? It tastes great, too!") Because I know that it's MY personal choice for MYSELF. And if other people don't wanna choose that, then that's okay! I don't think I'm above anybody because of what I choose to consume! As long as somebody isn't shaming me, I'm not gonna shame them, and that's that.
And that's as it should be. Honestly, I would love to have that experience. My state isn't exactly a hotbed for vegans, so I've had relatively little exposure.
Similarly, there's a lady at my office that is a converted Jew. She's the most insufferable, persecuted person that cannot wait to be offended by all of the Christianity happening around her. Her husband (the Jew by birth) is a great guy, quite affable. In fact the only insufferable Jew I know is the convert, which I find funny. Same thing...not too many of the Jewish faith around here.
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Actually most of them do realize that and try to avoid them as much as possible. It's not just a "diet," it's a lifestyle.I guess they don't realize that animal by-products are used in many different things - from paper to WD-40 to clothing to...
So to me their arguments (ethical vs moral vs obligation) make no sense to me. White noise...0 -
i was raised vege, so i didn't have a choice as a kid. i was frequently attacked by the ''you think you're sooo moral!!'' prats.Why do people assume that those who do things for ethical reasons believe they are morally superior? I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never met one who feels morally superior because of their choice not to eat meat.
i eat meat now but i see no issue with a person wanting to minimise the amount of animal lives taken. and that's ignoring the environmental impact of eating meat.
(i post this whist tucking into yummy beef chili. i served my time damnit!!)0 -
so... being responsible for ten deaths instead of 50 isn't something a person can make a moral choice over?I guess they don't realize that animal by-products are used in many different things - from paper to WD-40 to clothing to...
So to me their arguments (ethical vs moral vs obligation) make no sense to me. White noise...0 -
Why do people assume that those who do things for ethical reasons believe they are morally superior? I'm not a vegetarian, but I've never met one who feels morally superior because of their choice not to eat meat.
Really? I know admittedly few vegans, but wow...can't think of one who doesn't think this way and doesn't actively shame others.
Really? I've been vegan for 2 years, vegetarian for 12 years prior and I NEVER pushed my beliefs on others or thought I was superior because I didn't eat animal products. I did it because I felt guilty abusing/killing animals for my own consumption but never shamed others for eating it.
In fact, I'm the one who is constantly teased at family dinners, from omnivores, with comments like "That's what food eats!" or "Boy, this steak sure is fresh - I bet it was grazing in a field 12 hours ago".
I would have to say of all the vegans & non-vegans I know, the latter is actually the worst when it comes to shaming me for choosing to be vegan.0 -
Yep. I love me a good Guinness!!!Beer is fined using tropical fish swim bladders. This makes me sad for vegetarians.0 -
Beer is fined using tropical fish swim bladders. This makes me sad for vegetarians.
You just have to drink beer that is made without finings, which is plenty of them - most beers contain malted barley, hops and water and to be honest, Id be suspicious of any that contain anything other than these ingredients (speciality 'weird' beers honey, wheat etc aside). Any beer that adhered to the 'Rheinheitsgebot' should be fine, if you like continental beers.
I have made my own beer for years and never used finings - I sometimes find them necessary in home-made wine.0 -
My vegan friends avoid all animal products as much as they can. I am vegetarian because I was raised that way and the idea of eating meat completely grosses me out. I also think it's ethically unsound with the way our meat is produced, but that's not the reason I'm vegetarian. And I don't avoid using leather or other animal products, although I do avoid products tested on animals because I definitely think that's unethical.
As for what others do? Whatever. The world would be a better place if everyone else lived according to my ethics, but they don't and they never will, so I may judge silently but I keep my mouth shut and hope they do the same when they disagree with my choices.0 -
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I guess they don't realize that animal by-products are used in many different things - from paper to WD-40 to clothing to...
So to me their arguments (ethical vs moral vs obligation) make no sense to me. White noise...
Those who chose to actually do realize and research products to avoid those when at all possible. We're not perfect nor do we care what you eat or how you live, or what you buy. It's a dietary &/or lifestyle choice we make. Also, there's a difference between not wanting to eat animal products vs. not wanting to use anything made from animals. Personally the thought of eating the flesh and muscle of animals grosses me out. I don't think I could kill an animal in order to eat it so I don't want to eat an animal someone else has killed. There are many alternative products that are made "without suffering" as another poster mentioned. I don't even talk about it unless someone is confrontational. I know people of both extremes.To each his own...0 -
curious about this too.
didnt have any popcorn, so i'll munch on this.0
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