Intermittent fasting
zeinmr
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Heloo fit pals. I am so frustrated and I want to make some dramatic change. just short introduction to my problem: I hit a plateau for the last 4 month. I am 4Kg (9lb) from my goal. I eat healthy and no junk food and I am almost always in calorie deficit. I am starting from today intermittent fasting ( 24hours fasting for 1 day and 16/8 for 5 days and 1 day chating(carb reload). Anyone try intermittent fasting? How was it? Do you lose weight ? For how long you did it? please feel free for any suggestions.
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just an FYI - if you are not losing weight now that is because you are not in a calorie deficit. So if you start IF and do not eat in a deficit then you are going to continue to gain.
Perhaps, you should address the following first:
do you use a food scale?
do you log everything you eat into MFP?
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4 week plateaus are normal, but 4 months is not.
I agree with ndj1979, be sure you are logging every singe thing, including liquid calories.
I love coffee, with sugar and creamer but that made for about 50+ cals a cup.
Ok, dont judge but I drink 5 or more 8oz cups a day, that's minimum 250 + killer cals.
Now it's mostly black no sugar and I've learned to crave it that way.
GL zeinmr, so close to goal is an awesome place to be
!!!
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I am sorry but I dont believe in calori deficit pe se. Our body always adapt to new conditions and tends to increase or decrese its basal metabolism accordingly. One year ago I can create a caloric deficit by consuming 2500 cal. For the last 4 month I have to go less than 1400- 1500cal which is so hard to maintain.0
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I am sorry but I dont believe in calori deficit pe se. Our body always adapt to new conditions and tends to increase or decrese its basal metabolism accordingly. One year ago I can create a caloric deficit by consuming 2500 cal. For the last 4 month I have to go less than 1400- 1500cal which is so hard to maintain.
What you believe does not change that fact that a calorie deficit is what you need to lose weight. Because science.0 -
I agree with everyone else, get a food scale and learn how to measure/weigh/log accurately.0
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I am sorry but I dont believe in calori deficit pe se. Our body always adapt to new conditions and tends to increase or decrese its basal metabolism accordingly. One year ago I can create a caloric deficit by consuming 2500 cal. For the last 4 month I have to go less than 1400- 1500cal which is so hard to maintain.
BMR drops as weight drops. It's still CI<CO. So should it surprise you that you have to eat less as you lose weight?
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[I am sorry but I dont believe in calori deficit pe se. Our body always adapt to new conditions and tends to increase or decrese its basal metabolism accordingly. One year ago I can create a caloric deficit by consuming 2500 cal. For the last 4 month I have to go less than 1400- 1500cal which is so hard to maintain.
Going to take a wild guess that you're not running your numbers right-either you've figured out your calorie goals wrong, or you're not accurately measuring/recording your food.
As for IF-yes, I did alternate day IF for my weight loss phase, used 5:2IF as the transition into maintenance, and have been using 16:8IF for the past two years, as part of my maintenance plan. The first two methods have a calorie deficit built into them, but 16:8IF does not, and you still need to run your numbers (correctly) and plug them into your eating window. All's 16:8IF does is designate a certain time to eat, but you could still eat over on calories in your eating window and gain weight if you're not being intentional about eating at a deficit.0 -
Intermittent fasting is really an eating schedule. I actually do 16/8 every day except Saturday where I go off everything and take a break. I do not loose weight doing this at all unless I am in a deficit... cannot consume your normal calories over these days and loose weight or fat. Does not and will NOT work this way.
IMO I think basically what you are doing is carb cycling and the one day of no eating is basically carb cycling but with no food..0 -
I am sorry but I dont believe in calori deficit pe se. Our body always adapt to new conditions and tends to increase or decrese its basal metabolism accordingly. One year ago I can create a caloric deficit by consuming 2500 cal. For the last 4 month I have to go less than 1400- 1500cal which is so hard to maintain.
The nice thing about CICO is that you do not have to believe in it or not, it just is...
You say that you don't believe in calorie deficit but the you admit that you had to create on to lose weight?
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It's no surprise that our caloric allowance goes down as we shrink, but I've never seen mine go that low.I am sorry but I dont believe in calori deficit pe se. Our body always adapt to new conditions and tends to increase or decrese its basal metabolism accordingly. One year ago I can create a caloric deficit by consuming 2500 cal. For the last 4 month I have to go less than 1400- 1500cal which is so hard to maintain.
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Here are some good reads
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20921964
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21244426
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20300080
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12558961
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21051570
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20187284
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=1548337&ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
It's not as simple as CICO all the time for everybody.0 -
OKKKKK. When I say I dont beleive in calorie deficit I mean it is not as simple as it is. It is obvious when we create caloric deficit we will lose weight it is the first physics rule we learn but what I mean is what are the chemical reactions and what hormone that affect your calories in and out. the caloric deficit is just the an outcome of a complex enzymatic and hormonal reactions.
Have you ever read good calories bad calories by Gary Taubes?0 -
OKKKKK. When I say I dont beleive in calorie deficit I mean it is not as simple as it is. It is obvious when we create caloric deficit we will lose weight it is the first physics rule we learn but what I mean is what are the chemical reactions and what hormone that affect your calories in and out. the caloric deficit is just the an outcome of a complex enzymatic and hormonal reactions.
Have you ever read good calories bad calories by Gary Taubes?
There is no such thing as good and bad calories.
100 calories of donuts = 100 calories of carrots from an energy perspective. However, they are not the same nutritionally.
What matters is the context of your overall diet and that you are hitting macros/micros, and your calorie targets for the day. So yes, eat nutrient dense foods, but there is nothing wrong with filling in your day with treats like ice cream, pizza, etc..
chemical reactions, hormones, etc are factored into the CI or CO side of CICO, so they are still included in the formula.
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Sarasmaintaining wrote: »[I am sorry but I dont believe in calori deficit pe se. Our body always adapt to new conditions and tends to increase or decrese its basal metabolism accordingly. One year ago I can create a caloric deficit by consuming 2500 cal. For the last 4 month I have to go less than 1400- 1500cal which is so hard to maintain.
Going to take a wild guess that you're not running your numbers right-either you've figured out your calorie goals wrong, or you're not accurately measuring/recording your food.
As for IF-yes, I did alternate day IF for my weight loss phase, used 5:2IF as the transition into maintenance, and have been using 16:8IF for the past two years, as part of my maintenance plan. The first two methods have a calorie deficit built into them, but 16:8IF does not, and you still need to run your numbers (correctly) and plug them into your eating window. All's 16:8IF does is designate a certain time to eat, but you could still eat over on calories in your eating window and gain weight if you're not being intentional about eating at a deficit.
How do you do 2 very low calorie days per week without burning too much muscle? If you can only burn so much body fat per day?
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Brand new here....what is CICO?
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PrincessMermaidAngel wrote: »Brand new here....what is CICO?
"Calories in, calories out."0 -
the example you gave about 100cal is not accurate since both of them are very rich in carbs. Lets try in this way 100 cal donuts and 100 cal fats. The first will surge you insulin level which is ana lipogenic hormone that blocks fats elimination while the second one wont affect your insulin so if you are in catabolic state you will still use your fat as energy. Does it make sense?0
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the example you gave about 100cal is not accurate since both of them are very rich in carbs. Lets try in this way 100 cal donuts and 100 cal fats. The first will surge you insulin level which is ana lipogenic hormone that blocks fats elimination while the second one wont affect your insulin so if you are in catabolic state you will still use your fat as energy. Does it make sense?
no that makes absolutely no sense.
You are comparing carrots to a macronutrient, that is like comparing apples to oranges.
So you are trying to say that if I eat a 100 calorie donut, and I am in a deficit for the day, that I will still store fat even though I am in a calorie deficit, because insulin? Do you have any peer reviewed sources on this, besides Taubes? Secondly, protein also spikes insulin, so will that also lead to fat being stored?
and you never answered my question about if you use a food scale or not...0 -
Pointing out that the author of that book is working off some faulty assumptions. Found this a while back, and for being an article that evaluates scientific research, it's written in a way that a non-biologist can understand.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html0 -
Where this thread is headed (if not there, already):
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I was going to try, but after seeing Taubes invoked, it's useless.
Some questions could have been asked like the OP's current caloric intake and how long he's been eating at a deficit and his current stats, but I think he's got his mind made up and won't be amenable to any other answers.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »I was going to try, but after seeing Taubes invoked, it's useless.
Some questions could have been asked like the OP's current caloric intake and how long he's been eating at a deficit and his current stats, but I think he's got his mind made up and won't be amenable to any other answers.
I tried and then he went ludicrous speed on me and said he does not believe in calorie deficits, then taubes was mentioned, and then insulin causes fat storage....we basically got a trifecta of bro science ....0 -
Wether you do IF OR IIFYM or any of these other bs diets it don't matter CALORIC deficit is what matters whether you eat so called clean or junk food your body don't know the difference now am not sayin I eat all junk I eat mostly whole foods as I need my proteins and fibre and so on i usually use 300 Cals for JUNK.....and i learned this from GReg Plitt when I met him at a fitness expo this guy knows everything and I have lost 2 stone in 11 weeks doing this is simple losing weight don't get caught in the *kitten* out there0
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the example you gave about 100cal is not accurate since both of them are very rich in carbs. Lets try in this way 100 cal donuts and 100 cal fats. The first will surge you insulin level which is ana lipogenic hormone that blocks fats elimination while the second one wont affect your insulin so if you are in catabolic state you will still use your fat as energy. Does it make sense?
no that makes absolutely no sense.
You are comparing carrots to a macronutrient, that is like comparing apples to oranges.
So you are trying to say that if I eat a 100 calorie donut, and I am in a deficit for the day, that I will still store fat even though I am in a calorie deficit, because insulin? Do you have any peer reviewed sources on this, besides Taubes? Secondly, protein also spikes insulin, so will that also lead to fat being stored?
and you never answered my question about if you use a food scale or not...
To answer your question you will still lose weight because you are still in caloric deficit. As I said before I beleive in physic law. But here is the issue. If you eat this 100 calorie donuts you will block the utilisation of your fat storge because the insulin peak you generate wont let you do it. Your energy need for that day will use your reserve of sugar(Glycogen) stocked in your liver and muscles.
I am open to any idea and I am not stuck in a corner. I was low fat diet for a years but I beleive that real science contradict with it0 -
the example you gave about 100cal is not accurate since both of them are very rich in carbs. Lets try in this way 100 cal donuts and 100 cal fats. The first will surge you insulin level which is ana lipogenic hormone that blocks fats elimination while the second one wont affect your insulin so if you are in catabolic state you will still use your fat as energy. Does it make sense?
no that makes absolutely no sense.
You are comparing carrots to a macronutrient, that is like comparing apples to oranges.
So you are trying to say that if I eat a 100 calorie donut, and I am in a deficit for the day, that I will still store fat even though I am in a calorie deficit, because insulin? Do you have any peer reviewed sources on this, besides Taubes? Secondly, protein also spikes insulin, so will that also lead to fat being stored?
and you never answered my question about if you use a food scale or not...
To answer your question you will still lose weight because you are still in caloric deficit. As I said before I beleive in physic law. But here is the issue. If you eat this 100 calorie donuts you will block the utilisation of your fat storge because the insulin peak you generate wont let you do it. Your energy need for that day will use your reserve of sugar(Glycogen) stocked in your liver and muscles.
I am open to any idea and I am not stuck in a corner. I was low fat diet for a years but I beleive that real science contradict with it
please provide a peer reviewed source to back up your claim....
if you are eating all the right foods/calories, why are you not losing weight?
Again, do you use a food scale to weigh all solid foods?0 -
I think this thread is dead now ndj1979 just totally owned it lol .....brb gain fat while in a deficit eating my Pringles haha0
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the example you gave about 100cal is not accurate since both of them are very rich in carbs. Lets try in this way 100 cal donuts and 100 cal fats. The first will surge you insulin level which is ana lipogenic hormone that blocks fats elimination while the second one wont affect your insulin so if you are in catabolic state you will still use your fat as energy. Does it make sense?
no that makes absolutely no sense.
You are comparing carrots to a macronutrient, that is like comparing apples to oranges.
So you are trying to say that if I eat a 100 calorie donut, and I am in a deficit for the day, that I will still store fat even though I am in a calorie deficit, because insulin? Do you have any peer reviewed sources on this, besides Taubes? Secondly, protein also spikes insulin, so will that also lead to fat being stored?
and you never answered my question about if you use a food scale or not...
To answer your question you will still lose weight because you are still in caloric deficit. As I said before I beleive in physic law. But here is the issue. If you eat this 100 calorie donuts you will block the utilisation of your fat storge because the insulin peak you generate wont let you do it. Your energy need for that day will use your reserve of sugar(Glycogen) stocked in your liver and muscles.
I am open to any idea and I am not stuck in a corner. I was low fat diet for a years but I beleive that real science contradict with it
please provide a peer reviewed source to back up your claim....
if you are eating all the right foods/calories, why are you not losing weight?
Again, do you use a food scale to weigh all solid foods?
You should know the answers to your two questions by now. Silence is a good answer in my book and I usually laugh at silence being an answer.
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If your body has nutrients and calories available, it will use those before going into its storage, so no it doesn't matter 100 cals is 100 cals. Only surplus calories get stored, so if you ate 1500 extra calories of p, f, or c, the excess would get stored. I can see possibly insulin spiking and nutrient timing make a difference when not in a deficit, but in a deficit, your body won't store calories...if it does you are not in a deficit0
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