Explain this contradiction.
TimothyFish
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The National Registry of Weight Control reveals that 90% of the people who maintained a loss of 30 pounds or more for at least a year exercise about 1 hour per day. So, exercise is the most important factor when maintaining weight loss, but during the dieting phase, calorie restriction is more important, even to the point that people are often told that exercise isn’t required. Explain this apparent contradiction.
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Calories in/calories out. Doesn't matter if you get to your deficit by exercising or by eating less, as long as you get there. Of course it matters in terms of potential muscle mass lost as you can preserve more of you work out, but that is a whole other topic.
I'll also point out that correlation doesn't equal causation. It is likely that the people working out an hour every day probably are expending more calories than those who don't and aren't making up for all of that by eating more, so their CICO is not the same.0 -
That study doesn't mean that the exercise is the most important factor. It just means that people who maintain a loss of 30 lbs or more for over a year are exercising one hour a day. The fact remains that they are eating at a maintenance level. Exercise is not required, still.0
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Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
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Your statement basically has zero context surrounding it, so anything we're telling you is guessing. However, my guess would be that it's because losing weight and maintaining weight loss are two entirely different activities. What is required for successful weight loss is different, in my opinion and from my experience, from what is required in order to maintain weight loss. It seems as though, from your one-sentence explanation, they're just talking about the maintenance phase, so by looping in the weight-loss phase, you're comparing apples to oranges.0
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Exercise burns calories. More calories burned means more calories consumed at maintenance.
There is ample data proving that maintaining weight loss fails more often than losing weight, so it seems logical that those who can maintain at a higher calorie level would be those successful at maintenance.
Doesn't make it required. Makes it easier.0 -
I was going to reply, then I realized who posted it. No thanks.-1
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@mamapeach910 did a good job of explaining it to you.0
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The only contradiction is the one you have created.TimothyFish wrote: »The National Registry of Weight Control reveals that 90% of the people who maintained a loss of 30 pounds or more for at least a year exercise about 1 hour per day. So, exercise is the most important factor when maintaining weight loss, but during the dieting phase, calorie restriction is more important, even to the point that people are often told that exercise isn’t required. Explain this apparent contradiction.
In order to maintain weight, you must balance your calories in with calories out. How you choose to do that is totally irrelevant.
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I think the '1 hour of exercise per day' thing is correlation rather than causation. I think exercise definitely has a part to play in maintaining good health and weight management, but I know I could definitely eat more calories per day than I could run off.0
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How did you go fromTimothyFish wrote: »The National Registry of Weight Control reveals that 90% of the people who maintained a loss of 30 pounds or more for at least a year exercise about 1 hour per day.
to thisSo, exercise is the most important factor when maintaining weight loss.
If the data showed that the same 90% of people who maintained a 30lb loss ate pizza about 2 times per month, would you conclude that eating pizza is the most important factor when maintaining weight loss?
Because that's a whole different thread.
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100% of people who die drank water during their lifetimes. Yet we are constantly told that water is good for us. Explain this apparent contradiction.0
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
"90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day."
It is the highest one, so that makes it the most important. In fact, if you consider that 78% eat breakfast, that means that at least 22% don't eat breakfast and still maintained their weight, but only 10% don't exercise an hour a day an have managed to maintain their weight.
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »That study doesn't mean that the exercise is the most important factor. It just means that people who maintain a loss of 30 lbs or more for over a year are exercising one hour a day. The fact remains that they are eating at a maintenance level. Exercise is not required, still.
So, are you saying that maintaining weight loss might cause people to exercise an hour a day? That doesn't make sense.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
"90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day."
It is the highest one, so that makes it the most important. In fact, if you consider that 78% eat breakfast, that means that at least 22% don't eat breakfast and still maintained their weight, but only 10% don't exercise an hour a day an have managed to maintain their weight.
Have you been going to logic classes with Pu?0 -
Your statement basically has zero context surrounding it, so anything we're telling you is guessing. However, my guess would be that it's because losing weight and maintaining weight loss are two entirely different activities. What is required for successful weight loss is different, in my opinion and from my experience, from what is required in order to maintain weight loss. It seems as though, from your one-sentence explanation, they're just talking about the maintenance phase, so by looping in the weight-loss phase, you're comparing apples to oranges.
Not really. Apples don't turn into oranges, but weight-loss eventually turns into maintenance (or the lack thereof).0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
"90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day."
It is the highest one, so that makes it the most important. In fact, if you consider that 78% eat breakfast, that means that at least 22% don't eat breakfast and still maintained their weight, but only 10% don't exercise an hour a day an have managed to maintain their weight.
It makes it the most common factor, which could be viewed as the most important. But that still does not equal required.
Isn't the fact that 10% maintained without it proof that it's not required?0 -
Contradiction - a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
"90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day."
It is the highest one, so that makes it the most important. In fact, if you consider that 78% eat breakfast, that means that at least 22% don't eat breakfast and still maintained their weight, but only 10% don't exercise an hour a day an have managed to maintain their weight.
It makes it the most common factor, which could be viewed as the most important. But that still does not equal required.
Isn't the fact that 10% maintained without it proof that it's not required?
What percentage of people who eat breakfast every day also do 1 hour of exercise at least 5 times a week? Do we then conclude that eating breakfast causes one to burst into spontaneous zumba?0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
"90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day."
It is the highest one, so that makes it the most important. In fact, if you consider that 78% eat breakfast, that means that at least 22% don't eat breakfast and still maintained their weight, but only 10% don't exercise an hour a day an have managed to maintain their weight.
Just because it is the highest stat mentioned doesn't make it the most important factor. The study failed to mention how many of these people ate at maintenance level calories. I'm guessing 100%. So there's that.0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
"90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day."
It is the highest one, so that makes it the most important. In fact, if you consider that 78% eat breakfast, that means that at least 22% don't eat breakfast and still maintained their weight, but only 10% don't exercise an hour a day an have managed to maintain their weight.
Is "ate the same number of calories that they burned" on the list? I'm guessing not, because THAT would be the highest one at 99.9%, I'm pretty sure.
Also, you're saying "Only 10% don't exercise an hour a day and have managed to maintain..." Like everyone else out there who has tried to maintain has failed BECAUSE they didn't exercise an hour a day.
Have you considered the possibility that people who have lost 30lbs or more choose to exercise because they like doing physical activity, or want to burn enough calories to allow them to indulge a bit more?0 -
When people lose weight successfully, they change their eating habits and usually pick up some form of exercise. While losing weight they realize that said exercise makes them feel good and keeps them looking better than if they just dieted. Once they get to maintenance, they continue exercising because it makes them feel good.
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When people lose weight successfully, they change their eating habits and usually pick up some form of exercise. While losing weight they realize that said exercise makes them feel good and keeps them looking better than if they just dieted. Once they get to maintenance, they continue exercising because it makes them feel good.
The end.
True for me! 30lbs kept off for 7 years.0 -
It makes sense when I think about it.
Eat a limited # of calories to lose weight. Then you have a smaller body, which uses less energy. Taking myself as an example:
At my maintenance weight if I lived a sedentary lifestyle I'd only burn 1450-1500 per day. Options are a) eat reduced forever (No thanks!), b) regain weight or c) be active.
The study, perhaps, shows this. Those who regularly exercise burn more calories which allows them to maintain at a normal intake range. Those who don't, gain weight when they try to eat 'normal'.TimothyFish wrote: »The National Registry of Weight Control reveals that 90% of the people who maintained a loss of 30 pounds or more for at least a year exercise about 1 hour per day. So, exercise is the most important factor when maintaining weight loss, but during the dieting phase, calorie restriction is more important, even to the point that people are often told that exercise isn’t required. Explain this apparent contradiction.
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TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
"90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day."
It is the highest one, so that makes it the most important. In fact, if you consider that 78% eat breakfast, that means that at least 22% don't eat breakfast and still maintained their weight, but only 10% don't exercise an hour a day an have managed to maintain their weight.
Your comprehension skills need fine tuning. Read again. Exercise and diet are mentioned together in the intro.
Also, read this abstract. It's linked to from their research page.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10440589?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSumThese results suggest that weight-loss maintainers use more behavioral strategies to control their weight than either regainers or weight-stable controls. It would thus appear that long-term weight maintenance requires ongoing adherence to a low-fat diet and an exercise regimen in addition to continued attention to body weight.
Also mentions diet.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh, they did more than that, Tim. Here's what the site says on the summary page for research findings. Note that it mentions diet.There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet and doing high levels of activity.
78% eat breakfast every day.
75% weigh themselves at least once a week.
62% watch less than 10 hours of TV per week.
90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day.
So no, it's not mentioned as the most important factor.
"90% exercise, on average, about 1 hour per day."
It is the highest one, so that makes it the most important. In fact, if you consider that 78% eat breakfast, that means that at least 22% don't eat breakfast and still maintained their weight, but only 10% don't exercise an hour a day an have managed to maintain their weight.
It makes it the most common factor, which could be viewed as the most important. But that still does not equal required.
Isn't the fact that 10% maintained without it proof that it's not required?
What percentage of people who eat breakfast every day also do 1 hour of exercise at least 5 times a week? Do we then conclude that eating breakfast causes one to burst into spontaneous zumba?
I hate when spontaneous zumba happens. Darned inconvenient in cramped spaces.
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I'm guessing part of that statistic has to do the fact that people who take the time to exercise 1 hour per day are also conscientious about what they eat. What good is exercise if your eating like $#!t
@Hornsby & @yesimpson said it best.
Diet and exercise are important. No contradiction there.0 -
The contradiction only comes in if you think that "common" or "important" are synonymous with "required".0
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sherbear702 wrote: »I'm guessing part of that statistic has to do the fact that people who take the time to exercise 1 hour per day are also conscientious about what they eat. What good is exercise if your eating like $#!t
@Hornsby & @yesimpson said it best.
Diet and exercise are important. No contradiction there.
They are conscientious about diet. The website he's pulling his statistic from says so.
He's adding "most important" because that's his jam. That and not using food scales.
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TimothyFish wrote: »The National Registry of Weight Control reveals that 90% of the people who maintained a loss of 30 pounds or more for at least a year exercise about 1 hour per day. So, exercise is the most important factor when maintaining weight loss, but during the dieting phase, calorie restriction is more important, even to the point that people are often told that exercise isn’t required. Explain this apparent contradiction.
What about the 100% of people who maintained a loss of 30 pounds by breathing every day?
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